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Topic: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Bogi
Posted 2013-05-03 14:42:21 and read 13637 times.

Steve Gunning, managing director IAG Cargo, commented:

“The A350 is an extremely cargo-friendly aircraft, with a size and range that perfectly fits our long-haul network requirements.”

http://www.supplychaindigital.com/gl...ounces-a-new-addition-to-its-fleet

Surprisingly?

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 14:49:47 and read 13590 times.

What he means is that the A350 has an additional of three pallets of cargo space per aircraft. Just like the 77W, the A35J will have more cargo space than the 747.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: United727
Posted 2013-05-03 14:52:39 and read 13541 times.

Quoting Bogi (Thread starter):
an extremely cargo-friendly aircraft

Yeah and the Boeing 77W will be too! So what's the point? A Vs B...it's overrated!

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Bogi
Posted 2013-05-04 02:24:39 and read 12385 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
What he means is that the A350 has an additional of three pallets of cargo space per aircraft.

Yes, this is to read in the article.

[Edited 2013-05-04 02:30:50]

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-05-04 03:14:16 and read 12163 times.

Quoting Bogi (Thread starter):
Surprisingly?

Not really. His statement in the article is true, but brings nothing new to the ones who have followed the civilian aviation market lately. And there are more very cargo friendly airplanes out there.  .

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: btblue
Posted 2013-05-04 03:29:52 and read 12082 times.

Can somebody tell me what an A35J is?

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-04 03:33:29 and read 12060 times.

That's the A350-1000.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-05-04 05:16:16 and read 11680 times.

Quoting United727 (Reply 2):
it's overrated!

Actually, for Airbus improving the cargo is a nice benefit for their customers. This brings excellent cargo to a slightly smaller airframe than the 77W. Airlines such as EK will benefit tremendously.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: zeke
Posted 2013-05-04 05:40:17 and read 11554 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):

On longer range flights, there is spae available however no payload. Payload is offloaded for fuel to get range.

Newer aircraft are more efficent, basically offloading fuel and returning the payload.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-04 06:23:07 and read 11321 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 8):
On longer range flights, there is spae available however no payload. Payload is offloaded for fuel to get range.

True, but not everyone needs the 8400nm range of the A35J. In case of BA, the A35J will offer more usable cargo space than their current 747 aircraft.

[Edited 2013-05-04 06:24:36]

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Ruscoe
Posted 2013-05-04 07:15:27 and read 11049 times.

Is this not in response to the potential of the 777X freighter?

Ruscoe

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-04 07:19:30 and read 11023 times.

@Ruscoe The title of this thread is misleading, it has nothing to do with a freighter. An A350 freighter hasn't been announced yet. The article is just about the extra cargo space (three additional pallets) in the belly of the A350-1000.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: justloveplanes
Posted 2013-05-04 11:12:54 and read 8159 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
the A350 has an additional of three pallets of cargo space per aircraft

Three additional pallets compared to what?

IAG Cargo sounds like they manage the cargo side of the operations using the mainline fleet vice dedicated cargo aircraft.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-04 11:18:11 and read 8096 times.

Quoting justloveplanes (Reply 12):
Three additional pallets compared to what?

The 747.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Bogi
Posted 2013-05-04 13:41:26 and read 6638 times.

And how many additional cargo-pallets have the B777 more than the 747?

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: btblue
Posted 2013-05-04 13:47:57 and read 6569 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
That's the A350-1000.

What does the J stand for? Why not just say A350-1000?

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-04 13:52:16 and read 6496 times.

J is the tenth letter in the ISO basic Latin alphabet.

It's easier than writing -1000 the whole time  

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2013-05-04 13:58:50 and read 6422 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
@Ruscoe The title of this thread is misleading, it has nothing to do with a freighter. An A350 freighter hasn't been announced yet. The article is just about the extra cargo space (three additional pallets) in the belly of the A350-1000

How is it misleading? The title makes perfect sense.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: btblue
Posted 2013-05-04 14:03:36 and read 6380 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):

Makes sense then...    Thanks for telling me... I find the whole letter thing odd, being a traditionalist...  

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: btblue
Posted 2013-05-04 14:05:14 and read 6358 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):

Makes sense then...    Thanks for telling me... I find the whole letter thing odd, being a traditionalist...  

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Bogi
Posted 2013-05-05 01:31:50 and read 5478 times.

Well, the A350 freighter certainly will also an cargo-friendly aircraft.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: 76er
Posted 2013-05-05 01:43:24 and read 5418 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
An A350 freighter hasn't been announced yet

Wasn't the A359F originally planned for 2017, perfectly timed as an MD11F replacement? When did A backtrack on that idea?

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-05 04:31:13 and read 4998 times.

Both -900R and -900F have not been officially launched yet. Airbus will first focus on the -800, -900 and -1000.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-05 09:35:08 and read 4593 times.

Quoting 76er (Reply 21):
Wasn't the A359F originally planned for 2017, perfectly timed as an MD11F replacement? When did A backtrack on that idea?

I do not believe Airbus ever "committed" to a launch date for the A350-900R or A350-900F. As i recall, it was more a case of "we will of course develop a freighter model at some future point and that model would allow us to also develop a ULH passenger model".

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: astuteman
Posted 2013-05-05 10:14:43 and read 4492 times.

Quoting 76er (Reply 21):
Wasn't the A359F originally planned for 2017, perfectly timed as an MD11F replacement? When did A backtrack on that idea?

The A350-900R and -900F will be developed from the A350-1000, in effect being a shrink of this higher weight platform.

As the A350-1000 won't now go into service until 2017, I don't really see either of these aircraft being likely this decade.

The freighter will surely come at some point.

Not convinced how much justification there is for the -900R. But as a straight shrink, like the 777L, it should be a low-cost iteration

Rgds

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-05-05 12:15:57 and read 4512 times.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 24):
As the A350-1000 won't now go into service until 2017, I don't really see either of these aircraft being likely this decade.

When the A350-1000 is out all the pieces for a A350-900R are in place, give it a year after the A350-1000. If Airbus do want that part of the market, why wait, to be friendly to Boeing?
An A350-800R should be even easier as the A350-800 seems to be shrink of the A350-900.

I think it depends on if an airline wants to order it and production slot availability.

The freighter is a different case.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-05 13:06:09 and read 4370 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 25):
An A350-800R should be even easier as the A350-800 seems to be shrink of the A350-900.

Airbus has already (effectively) launched the A350-800R with the 259t MTOW option.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2013-05-05 13:30:44 and read 4348 times.

Quoting United727 (Reply 2):
Yeah and the Boeing 77W will be too! So what's the point?

The A350 fuselage is made of CFRP and the 9-abreast configuration makes it more comfortable to packages...thus an "extremely cargo-friendly aircraft”.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: astuteman
Posted 2013-05-05 13:55:43 and read 4250 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 25):
When the A350-1000 is out all the pieces for a A350-900R are in place, give it a year after the A350-1000. If Airbus do want that part of the market, why wait, to be friendly to Boeing?

Because they may have other demands that take precedence, perhaps?

Rgds

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Bogi
Posted 2013-05-05 23:37:15 and read 3757 times.

"These next-generation aircraft will also provide enhanced functionality, including air conditioning in the cargo bays, which is highly beneficial for the transportation of temperature-sensitive freight including pharmaceuticals travelling under the carrier's Constant Climate product and perishable goods."

This benefits have not also other Airliners?

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-05-05 23:59:53 and read 3717 times.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 28):
Because they may have other demands that take precedence, perhaps?

What other demands?

A32XNEO is another team, but anyway should all of them be in service at that date.

As the planing is now the A350-8/9/10 should also be in service by than.

Why should the A350-900R be later than the B777-X8LR?

I do not find the Boeing program less demanding. There is the B737MAX, the B787-9 and 10, the B777-X9 (perhaps X8) and than the X8LR.

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: trex8
Posted 2013-05-06 07:54:40 and read 3056 times.

OT but does any of our more techy paticipants want to try do an analysis of the 772F and A359F or even a 777-8XF!

Topic: RE: “The A350 Is An Extremely Cargo-friendly Aircraft”
Username: Tristarsteve
Posted 2013-05-06 09:03:30 and read 2832 times.

Quoting Bogi (Reply 29):
"These next-generation aircraft will also provide enhanced functionality, including air conditioning in the cargo bays, which is highly beneficial for the transportation of temperature-sensitive freight including pharmaceuticals travelling under the carrier's Constant Climate product and perishable goods."

This benefits have not also other Airliners?

Most wide body aircraft have the OPTION to heat, or cool the cargo bays.
Most wide bodies have heating in the bulk cargo.
But the option is rarely taken up in the other two holds.
I have seen an A330 and B777 with fwd cargo heating,
but never with air conditioning, which I know is an option on the A330.


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