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Topic: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-05-10 05:15:26 and read 7812 times.

"We conclude that a third runway at Heathrow is necessary, but also suggest that a four-runway proposal may have merit, especially if expanding to locate two new runways westwards from the current site could curb the noise experienced by people affected under the flight path.


“We conclude that adding new runways to expand a number of other existing airports will not, on its own, provide a long-term solution to the hub capacity problem. We do however encourage Gatwick’s operator to develop a robust business case for their vision of a second runway.


“We reject the notion of linking existing airports by high-speed rail to form a split-hub; the outcome from this would be highly uncompetitive in terms of passenger transfer times compared to competitor hubs overseas."


In the same statement they kill every possible chance of a Thames Estuary Airport :


"Evidence to our inquiry also showed a substantial potential impact on wildlife habitat in the Thames estuary.


“The viability of an estuary hub airport would also require the closure of Heathrow – a course of action that would have unacceptable consequences for individuals, businesses in the vicinity of the existing airport and the local economy."

Source :

http://www.parliament.uk/business/co...ttee/news/as-report---substantive/



Let's see how long takes before we hear something about the LHR neighbours opposed to more runways....

Rgds.
G.

[Edited 2013-05-10 05:44:07]

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-05-10 05:33:05 and read 7745 times.

Me wonders if they really get paid for telling the public the obvious.

Reading the discussions in this forum is free of charge and lead to the same result.

What it really needs is a government having the guts to kick-off the necessary, they might even win the next election that way.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: wawaman
Posted 2013-05-10 05:48:12 and read 7652 times.

Clearly it will take years before anything happens. Why don't they just lift the curfew at LHR and operate one of the runways though the night. This would give immediate benefit, and it is a lot less disruptive than 2 new runways. It is not the ultimate solution clearly, but it must help won't it. What have I missed?

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-05-10 05:55:30 and read 7621 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
“We reject the notion of linking existing airports by high-speed rail to form a split-hub; the outcome from this would be highly uncompetitive in terms of passenger transfer times compared to competitor hubs overseas."

Understatement. Look at how much faster consolidated hubs grew in Asia.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
What it really needs is a government having the guts to kick-off the necessary

One could wish.


For some reason no one will put me in charge of the bulldozers clearing the way for a LHR expansion...


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: Wolbo
Posted 2013-05-10 06:03:46 and read 7567 times.

Didn't some other UK committee just recently conclude that London has enough room to grow air traffic without further expansion?

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-05-10 06:17:13 and read 7490 times.

Quoting wawaman (Reply 2):
Why don't they just lift the curfew at LHR and operate one of the runways though the night. This would give immediate benefit, and it is a lot less disruptive than 2 new runways.

And there are other options available, also " a lot less disruptive tan 2 new runways" :

Ex Concorde Pilot Proposal To Boost LHR Capacity (by Gonzalo Mar 12 2013 in Civil Aviation)

What really amazes me is that there is a lot of talking, a lot of papers, studies, polls, parliament committees.... but at the end of the day, no one is actually DOING something about this problem.

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-05-10 06:19:50 and read 7483 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):

For some reason no one will put me in charge of the bulldozers clearing the way for a LHR expansion...

you'd have to raze the local pubs first to silence opposition.  
Quoting Wolbo (Reply 4):
Didn't some other UK committee just recently conclude that London has enough room to grow air traffic without further expansion?

You establish a panel and get the result you ask for, same with expertises or round tables. Unfortunately, the old German joke about the difference between a round table and an old woman is not translatable.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: bennett123
Posted 2013-05-10 06:48:52 and read 7376 times.

Hard to see any real response until Howard Davies reports in 2015.

This is a hot potato that no one wants to touch.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: Alpage
Posted 2013-05-10 06:58:30 and read 7332 times.

This is going to be a massive NO from the local councils around Heathrow.

http://www.snapsurveys.com/sol1/swh/surveylogin.asp?k=136240070617

[Edited 2013-05-10 06:58:52]

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-05-10 07:01:20 and read 7329 times.

Problem with LHR is that there are so many conflicting interests all with equal amounts of power and influence so you have stale mate.

This argument has been going on since I was a kid growing up under the flight path. You could look at local papers going back three decades and see the same topic. If they are going to do it then they need 4 runways and get it done as soon as possible. If any government had any balls they would invoke compulsory acquisitions. Its a land mine though politically.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-05-10 07:02:38 and read 7305 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 5):
And there are other options available, also " a lot less disruptive tan 2 new runways" :

Ex Concorde Pilot Proposal To Boost LHR Capacity (by Gonzalo Mar 12 2013 in Civil Aviation)

The disruption would be similar, it's still two new runways.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 5):
What really amazes me is that there is a lot of talking, a lot of papers, studies, polls, parliament committees.... but at the end of the day, no one is actually DOING something about this problem.

This is the UK, things are being done under the surface but it just takes forever.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 7):
Hard to see any real response until Howard Davies reports in 2015.

This is a hot potato that no one wants to touch.

The interim report at the end of this year should give general direction, it would not surprise me if that was enough to make some manifesto changes for one of the major parties.


Dan  

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-05-10 07:15:07 and read 7260 times.

Interesting article in The Times a few days ago. I took a photo of it and will mention more relevant bits now:

"What do you do when your main business location, an old city dating back more than 1,000 years, is served by an airport running close to capability that frequently creates grouses among travellers because of delays?

If you're Britain, you avoid a decision, instead setting up independent commission that will not publish its findings until well after the next general election.

Other countries are more forward-looking. They include Turkey, where, over the holiday weekend, a local consortium won a €22.2 billion tender to build and run a new airport in Istanbul. The airport, with six runways, will be able to handle 150 million passengers a year, more than twice as many as Heathrow. It will be operating in 2013, when no doubt Britain will still be arguing about how to expand capacity." How true.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: AirbusA6
Posted 2013-05-10 07:48:24 and read 7162 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Other countries are more forward-looking. They include Turkey, where, over the holiday weekend, a local consortium won a €22.2 billion tender to build and run a new airport in Istanbul. The airport, with six runways, will be able to handle 150 million passengers a year, more than twice as many as Heathrow. It will be operating in 2013, when no doubt Britain will still be arguing about how to expand capacity." How true.

It's 2018, but I wonder at the destructiveness of it, as it will be built by cutting down much of a large forested area. 658,000 trees to be chopped apparently...try doing that in Western Europe!

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: ASA
Posted 2013-05-10 09:34:58 and read 6929 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Other countries are more forward-looking. They include Turkey, where, over the holiday weekend, a local consortium won a €22.2 billion tender to build and run a new airport in Istanbul. The airport, with six runways, will be able to handle 150 million passengers a year, more than twice as many as Heathrow. It will be operating in 2013, when no doubt Britain will still be arguing about how to expand capacity." How true.

2023, you mean? Outside the cave, we are in 2013 already  

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-05-10 10:11:52 and read 6843 times.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 12):
It's 2018
Quoting ASA (Reply 13):
2023

Haha. Yes, I meant 2018.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: kaitak
Posted 2013-05-10 10:42:00 and read 6768 times.

Cameron is just kicking the can down the runway, principally because his coalition partners, the Lib Dems, won't agree to a new runway at LHR.

It is the best option, the reason being that you already have two full length runways, so any new runway can be just 6-7,000' long and since it will only be used by short haul aircraft, it can involve 5 degree descents and high climbing SIDs, something a heavy widebody could not manage. As the runway will probably not be ready until about 2020-25 (if we're lucky), there is plenty of time for aircraft manufacturers to adjust to the new requirements, which could be set down by the CAA.

Any new facility would have to have at least two (and better still, 3-4) runways, two of which would need to be full length, and all that goes with that - plus having to deal with the tides around the Thames Estuary. At the end of the day, business wants the runway to be at LHR. It is the best place for it.

Sadly, as some have mentioned above, we probably will be having this argument on this site five or ten years for now; the problem is political spinelessness.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: flyingthe757
Posted 2013-05-10 10:48:46 and read 6742 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Let's see how long takes before we hear something about the LHR neighbours opposed to more runways....

This is one local that is not opposed...

The thames airport is a joke and we wont see it, makes no sense at all, and if LHR closes, that is the whole of west london affected.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-05-10 11:00:05 and read 6695 times.

Quoting flyingthe757 (Reply 16):
Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Let's see how long takes before we hear something about the LHR neighbours opposed to more runways....

This is one local that is not opposed...

Support might not be as uncommon as people assume. Sure there will be NIMBY's, but with so many of LHR's workforce living in the vicinity, the benefit of expansion may be evident to them and show through.


Dan  

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: incitatus
Posted 2013-05-10 11:23:12 and read 6448 times.

Heathrow needed 4 runways about 25 years ago.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: capri
Posted 2013-05-10 11:27:48 and read 6417 times.

I remember when rwy 23/5 was used occasionally during xwind when I was living near LHR 2000-2002, how feasible and what can be done to reopen this rwy, I mean technically regardless of the neighbors concerns, new taxiways layout??? closures of maintenance hangars??????

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-05-10 11:39:17 and read 6308 times.

Quoting flyingthe757 (Reply 16):
This is one local that is not opposed...
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17):
Support might not be as uncommon as people assume.

That's true fortunately, but usually the supporters remain quiet while the ones fighting against the project do all the noise they can to make the news.
Today, with this subject in the news and a signal in favour of expansion, would be a good time for supporters to express out loud they exist, have a point of view and their own expectations.

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: flyingthe757
Posted 2013-05-10 11:44:08 and read 6234 times.

Quoting capri (Reply 19):
I remember when rwy 23/5 was used occasionally during xwind when I was living near LHR 2000-2002, how feasible and what can be done to reopen this rwy, I mean technically regardless of the neighbors concerns, new taxiways layout??? closures of maintenance hangars??????

Its not there anymore. Part of the new terminal took over, as well as parking.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: par13del
Posted 2013-05-10 12:57:34 and read 5788 times.

Quoting wawaman (Reply 2):
Why don't they just lift the curfew at LHR and operate one of the runways though the night.

In all the other threads on this issue I do not recall if this was ever bought up for a trial basis of say 3 months or so after giving some airlines lead time to see if (a) any interest in late nite / early am arrivals/departures and (b) how the population responds to additional night / early am noise.
Nimby's might actually prefer the additional noise if it puts off major expansion for a few more decades.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):

“The viability of an estuary hub airport would also require the closure of Heathrow – a course of action that would have unacceptable consequences for individuals, businesses in the vicinity of the existing airport and the local economy."

I still do not put much in this one, if this was the case nothing new would ever be built if relocation to another area was involved.
The basis of the airport is to provide access for travel, by doing its jobs numerous job opertunites are created, its not the other way around.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-05-10 14:02:42 and read 5381 times.

These are the problems I see the government arguing over:

1. The government continually questions whether Heathrow is a "Hub Airport" and whether Britain needs one.
2. They consistently bring up the fact that the London Airport System is comprised of 5 London airports.
3. Heathrow is built in a bad area.

My comments to the above:

Seriously?! Is the government really doing this? Of course LHR is a hub airport and it is nessesary for Britain's air transport system. BA (and VA) both have hubs at the airport. BA is the country's flag carrier. Of these "other
London airports", only LCY is within Greater London (hardly a significant aerodrome). Trains to LGW and STN take a minimum of 30 minutes. It is THE ONLY real airport where foreign business travel to/from and will be the only airport of significance in the entire UK. The British economy relies on Heathrow. I often do think the public and government take BA for granted as well. Do they want them to be successful? Do they want to travel to more destinations or be restricted on growth? Yes, Heathrow is built in a bad area. Get over it. It has been pumped with infastructure and chosen, although unknown at the time, to be the main airport of Britain. Other London airports could not adsorb LHR's capacity.

The government ironically lacks the political will power to do something good for the country and they are letting a few locals escalate the issue to include environmentalists. Yes planes do come over London and yes it can be an occasional nuance, but really? Do you actually hear those planes over all the noise that London makes as a normal functioning city. It took 4 years for the government to complete an inquiry to allow T5 to be built, the longest in British history.

I'm sorry, but there needs to be a sacrifice for the greater good of the country or else Britain will continue to shrink in relevance. It is these ridiculous concerns for EVERYONE with a problem that allow the government to become stale.

Sorry if I was forward; I just still cannot believe this is actually a question for the Coalition government.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2013-05-10 15:26:15 and read 4894 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
Cameron is just kicking the can down the runway, principally because his coalition partners, the Lib Dems, won't agree to a new runway at LHR.

This just shows the nonsene of UK politics:

Pre 2010 election Labour were in power and supported the expansion
Pre 2010 election Conservatives on principle would support business and expansion

Post 2010 election:

Con in coalition with the LD's suddenly change their minds

i.e a minority party with 10% of MPs is holding the country to ranson! All the while we're falling further and further behind the rest of Europe....

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: nimool
Posted 2013-05-10 17:33:51 and read 4635 times.

literary cant Wait to see LHR's expansion, it would reduce noise as they could use all three runways for landing and take off as they do with the current runways, plus extra runway mean more terminals more train/bus network plus a lot of more jobs will be available even for the residents of Heathrow area even including construction of the whole thing!

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-05-10 17:59:31 and read 4583 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
Me wonders if they really get paid for telling the public the obvious.

That was my first thought as well...

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
What it really needs is a government having the guts to kick-off the necessary, they might even win the next election that way.

I agree, but political will (in virtually all Western democracies) is now driven by the next opinion poll. The "silent majority" would probably recognise the long term value of LHR expansion, and vote overwhelmingly in favour of the party that had the balls to do something that was in the long-term national interest, rather than scared of a hit to the next poll. Sure, on the short term some people, maybe even a majority, would oppose it, but if the government actually explains to people how this benefits the economy, and makes a concerted effort to advance a positive argument (even if it is an unpopular one) then I genuinely believe that the majority, who say nothing, will quietly fall into line behind the proposal.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
For some reason no one will put me in charge of the bulldozers clearing the way for a LHR expansion...

You've got my vote 
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 23):
there needs to be a sacrifice for the greater good of the country or else Britain will continue to shrink in relevance

Here here. I honestly thought I was escaping from this when I moved from Britain to Australia ... then I met SYD   

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: B707MT
Posted 2013-05-10 21:35:03 and read 4182 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 5):
What really amazes me is that there is a lot of talking, a lot of papers, studies, polls, parliament committees.... but at the end of the day, no one is actually DOING something about this problem.

Mate, that's nothing that watching a few episodes of "Yes Minister" or "Yes Prime Minister" wouldn't fix.   

Mind you, protracted delays can have an up-side - after 20 years of buck-passing and prevarication, SYD is no nearer to either a second catchment area airport NOR a high-speed rail link to anywhere.

Somehow, though, in two or more decades of ducking the issues, they managed to squeeze a third runway out of Botany Bay to avoid having to make any "courageous" decisions.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-05-10 23:30:45 and read 3921 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 26):
I agree, but political will (in virtually all Western democracies) is now driven by the next opinion poll. The "silent majority" would probably recognise the long term value of LHR expansion, and vote overwhelmingly

The discussion here in Frankfurt is a spitting image of what is going on in London, with the exception that we had a state PM who initiated a "mediation" and then his successor who really had the balls to initiate the construction of a new runway and got it done. Not only that, he paved the way for the present location which is the one that least affects the people. But, it does affect some wealthy parts of FRA and they are crying havoc now.

You find people switching off their brains because some 300 jets are flying low in final approach over their million € villas. They stop asking themselves how they made their fortunes and if modern infrastructure wans't of help at least they used the airport 6 times a year for a fun vacation.

These and others really advocate to close the runway and impose a ceiling of operations for the whole airport at 380 K movements which is cutting 100 K off the present value. What would that mean? The end of the LH hub, nothing less. FRA would not have 380K movements, it would go down to less than 200K.

With all the negative consequences not only for the local, not only for the national economy of Germany but for that of the surrounding countries as well. Luckily, EU legislation stands against that and current users, LH on top, would litigate. But the status quo would be maintained during that time and no one would invest until a final court ruling


Now, they had the balls to build it but do not have the balls to defend it. Just because a minority, a hand full of people makes noise.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: Flying Belgian
Posted 2013-05-11 01:54:35 and read 3472 times.

I've spent a lot of time in LHR this week. God, this airport is really congested. Incredible.

It always and will always amaze me to see how ATC people can handle such traffic with only a pair of parallels.

I'm always stunned to see such a spectacle !

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: KaiTak747
Posted 2013-05-11 03:36:19 and read 3051 times.

The coalition need to man up and press ahead with the third runway/extended runways. All other options have been exhausted and the longer the problem is left the more damage is caused.

Heathrow has existed since 1929 and will continue to for long into the future. If you don't like airport noise you shouldn't move near an airport! The area north of Heathrow was supposed to be left undeveloped in the case of expansion, the council clearly screwed up by building a town over it. Pay the residents to leave, like with HS2.

Opposition to expansion by the coalition is pandering to the green electorate... even though expansion will not have such a negative impact on the environment as planes are becoming increasingly efficient.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: petertenthije
Posted 2013-05-11 04:10:02 and read 2886 times.

Just offer the following exchange to the tree huggers: in exchange for allowing us to build the runway we promiss them not to publish any more reports on aviation in the southeast for 10 years. The amount of paper wasted for these reports with forgone conclusions is insane. Not to mention the waste of money.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: summa767
Posted 2013-05-11 04:13:25 and read 2867 times.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 24):
Con in coalition with the LD's suddenly change their minds

i.e a minority party with 10% of MPs is holding the country to ranson! All the while we're falling further and further behind the rest of Europe....

With respect, but this is a totally false statement!
It is not because of the coalition that the conservative party have a policy against a third runway at LHR
It was specifically a policy statement for the 2010 election -and so before any coalition:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...165000/conservative-manifesto.html

If you want to know who is holding the country to ransom, I may point you in the direction of Boris Johnson and Zak Goldsmith, the conservative MP for Richmond, who don't want to risk losing votes.
Boris Johnson has said it clearly: 3rd runway "over my dead body", and Goldsmith said he would resign if the government decided on a third runway for LHR. It has been said that the plan would be to Zac Goldsmith to resign, Boris Johnson would stand in his place and challenge David Cameron for the tories leadership.


BTW, I totally welcome the committee's sensible conclusion, which has been arrived at examining the evidence.

[Edited 2013-05-11 04:33:46]

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-05-11 04:20:52 and read 2828 times.

Again, basd on the FRA experience, make it the 3rd and the 4th runway at the same time. That way Boris can save face as well. You get 2 runways for the same trouble one runway will cause.

40 years ago they made the mistake at FRA to compromise on a third runway which is diagonal (18) instead of parallel to the existing 2, back then they could have had a parallel instead of the diagonal for the same trouble.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: par13del
Posted 2013-05-11 04:48:25 and read 2680 times.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 29):
It always and will always amaze me to see how ATC people can handle such traffic with only a pair of parallels.

Sense of pride, shows that everyone wants in on LHR no matter how congested it is.... 
Quoting summa767 (Reply 32):
If you want to know who is holding the country to ransom, I may point you in the direction of Boris Johnson and Zak Goldsmith, the conservative MP for Richmond, who don't want to risk losing votes.
Boris Johnson has said it clearly: 3rd runway "over my dead body", and Goldsmith said he would resign if the government decided on a third runway for LHR.

So does the City of London actually control the airport and how is Boris more important that the existing PM and his government and his party who are actually running the show?
At the end of the day, the buck stops at the desk of the elected government.
A number of folks are up in arms about a vote on the EU, all the PM is promising ( at that is in question ) is to look at it if elected to a second term, in the meantime all the noise is just that, noise. Boris wants his airport in the estuary, why exactly would he support anything at LHR to the detriment of his pet project?????
Distractions, which allow the situation to continue, let's see how traffic progresses on the continent, the forward thinking folks in the UK have lost this one, next up are the back-room dealers.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: summa767
Posted 2013-05-11 05:36:00 and read 2494 times.

Quoting par13del (Reply 34):
So does the City of London actually control the airport and how is Boris more important that the existing PM and his government and his party who are actually running the show?
At the end of the day, the buck stops at the desk of the elected government.

The buck does stop with the elected government, who campaigned for election on a manifesto that contained, among other things, opposition to LHR expansion.
But if they were to change their minds now -how some, even in government have hinted- there would be an internal clash that could fatally fracture the government, and hence fudging the issue until after the next election!

Incidentally, I read that Heathrow holdings is quietly looking at the option of a new hub airport in White Waltham, near Maidenhead. The MP for there, Theresa May -Also Home Secretary-, has already written to Heathrow holding's CEO to shelve any such plans.

That plan would be presented to the commission appointed to fudge the issue for the time being, presumably as an alternative to LHR expansion.
In the end, we know how it will end. With a plane stupid plan for Boris's airport being rejected and outcries for any other possible locations, LHR will be expanded. It might take an awful long time, though.

Topic: RE: UK Transport Committee: LHR Needs A 3d/4th Runways
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-05-11 10:38:45 and read 2196 times.

Quoting B707MT (Reply 27):
Mate, that's nothing that watching a few episodes of "Yes Minister" or "Yes Prime Minister" wouldn't fix.

How true. It is surprising how accurate that show is. Something, if I may say, only British wit and humour are able to produce. Us over in the USA like to think it is not like this even when it is staring us in the face.

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 31):
Just offer the following exchange to the tree huggers: in exchange for allowing us to build the runway we promiss them not to publish any more reports on aviation in the southeast for 10 years. The amount of paper wasted for these reports with forgone conclusions is insane. Not to mention the waste of money.

hahha, one of the best posts in a long while.  


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