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Topic: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: usctrojan18
Posted 2013-05-16 21:35:27 and read 13887 times.

Just wondering what drinking laws apply to what airlines? I hear that most US airlines will not serve people under 21, but I was wondering what airlines like Lufthansa or Brussels Airlines policies are since you only have to be 16 to drink most beers and wines (under 22%) in Germany and Belgium. Also, if the flight is originating in the US and you're on an airline like Lufthansa, will they respect US laws of 21 and older or just stick to German laws. Just wondering.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: thaiflyer
Posted 2013-05-16 22:05:11 and read 13797 times.

If i'm not mistaken the airlines will follow the rules of the country of the plane registration.
For example on an Dutch registered plane ( KLM ) the drinking age limit would be 18 years.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: Lufthansa
Posted 2013-05-16 22:07:34 and read 13778 times.

It's really simple. The rules basically are of the flag the country flies. So US carriers, that's going to be 21. Australia/British/New Zealand carriers that's going to be 18. French carriers are likely to take pretty much the same approach they take on the ground, and if you look old enough to have it in a restaurant nobody is going to question it.

As for german carriers... I'm pretty sure it's going to be 18 because some alcoholic purchases are 18, where as some lighter ones are 16. The overwhelming majority of the world is 18, so its pretty standard as long as you are that old on a non US/Canadian carrier it won't be an issue. Some of course enforce it more strictly than others. And if you're on a Saudi carrier not at all...and Brunei actually allows you to bring your own duty free but won't provide it!

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: Richcandy
Posted 2013-05-16 22:09:49 and read 13746 times.

Hi

I think its the law of the country the airline is from.

Years and years ago I had no problems getting served beer on BA to NYC, I was 18 at the time. It was much more difficult to get booze once I got to the states.

Alex

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: N809FR
Posted 2013-05-16 22:44:43 and read 13582 times.

I've personally never had a problem getting served at age 19 on DL, they simply asked if I was 21. I was never required to show any proof of age, nor have I ever been on any flight within the continental US either, granted I've been 21+ every time regardless.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-05-16 22:58:40 and read 13527 times.

On international flights operated by US carriers, it's the law the flight attendant feels like enforcing.

That is how it was when I was young enough to care about such things (my sister and I were routinely offered a bubbly adult beverage as PDD on the ground on Delta and United), and this is how it still is as a recent conversation with two nephews of mine revealed...

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-05-16 23:18:38 and read 13438 times.

When you are 16 and want a beer on an LH flight you get a beer. Even when that flight originated at a US airport. US laws stop at the border and the sky does not fall down when a 16 year old drinks beer.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-05-16 23:34:34 and read 13388 times.

As others have said it is the law of the country of registration of the aircraft. Most (all?) airlines also have policies about it. In my experience very few enforce it unless you are drunk & disorderly. My son never had a problem getting all the booze he wanted on both QF & UA from about 14 (he always was a big lad for his age) & my step daughters who are younger were served wine on AZ quite routinely, because that's what Italians do.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: flyingalex
Posted 2013-05-17 01:18:17 and read 13100 times.

As others have said, the rules tend to be the same as they are in the carrier's home country, though they tend to be more relaxed on aircraft than they would be on the ground.

I was sometimes served alcohol on international flights on US carriers when I was older than 18 but younger than 21, was served a beer on SQ when I was 17, etc.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 2):
As for german carriers... I'm pretty sure it's going to be 18 because some alcoholic purchases are 18, where as some lighter ones are 16.

I never tried to order liquor when I was under 18, but getting a beer on Lufthansa was no problem when I was 16.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-05-17 01:35:34 and read 13060 times.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 8):
but getting a beer on Lufthansa was no problem when I was 16.

well, it is legal. The law says that beer, wine, champagne and mix drinks with beer, wine and champagne are legal from 16.

Over 18 year olds can drink anything, no restrictions.

if your parents sit next to you in the aircraft and allow you a beer or a wine it is legal as well when you are over 14 but under 16.

Not in the air but in Bavarian beer gardens, where beer is considered basic food, no one cries for police when dad lets his 5 year old sip the foam.

.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: softrally
Posted 2013-05-17 01:53:54 and read 12997 times.

An AC F/A once told me that it is 18, as the airline is based in Montreal, Quebec. However, I had no problem being served a beer on a TPAC flight (I'm 15). US airlines won't serve alcohol to anyone under 21, IIRC.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: 777klm
Posted 2013-05-17 02:01:16 and read 12959 times.

Quoting thaiflyer (Reply 1):
For example on an Dutch registered plane ( KLM ) the drinking age limit would be 18 years.

No, it would be 16 years for alcoholic beverages under 22% ABV
 

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: NicholasJet
Posted 2013-05-17 03:42:47 and read 12714 times.

I think the air law is based upon the registration of the aircraft and / or the country overflown, whichever is more limiting. Although most airlines don't follow this rule and stick purely down to the law of the country of registration.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-05-17 04:32:38 and read 12573 times.

What about EK? I assume it would be 21?

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: flyingalex
Posted 2013-05-17 04:34:35 and read 12560 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
well, it is legal. The law says that beer, wine, champagne and mix drinks with beer, wine and champagne are legal from 16.

I know, I was responding to the poster I quoted who thought it would be 18 for everything - even for beer - in the air.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: thaiflyer
Posted 2013-05-17 05:35:18 and read 12373 times.

Quoting NicholasJet (Reply 12):
Quoting thaiflyer (Reply 1):
For example on an Dutch registered plane ( KLM ) the drinking age limit would be 18 years.

No, it would be 16 years for alcoholic beverages under 22% ABV
 

Sorry as a spirit drinker i forgot about that.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: AirbusA6
Posted 2013-05-17 05:52:00 and read 12259 times.

Quoting NicholasJet (Reply 12):
I think the air law is based upon the registration of the aircraft and / or the country overflown, whichever is more limiting. Although most airlines don't follow this rule and stick purely down to the law of the country of registration.

I'm sure it can't follow the country overflown, or long haul flights would be a nightmare to control.

"Sorry sir, we're flying over Saudi Arabia airspace now, so it'll have to be juice or coke!"

I remember a flight from SIN to LHR with a large school group of 6th formers (17-18 year olds). The ones who were 18 got a drink, the ones who were 17 didn't (teacher was checking). One lucky boy celebrated his 18th birthday on the flight  

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-05-17 06:02:56 and read 12077 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 5):
On international flights operated by US carriers, it's the law the flight attendant feels like enforcing.

I was served when I was under 21. In the old days, on US flagged 'vessels' (ships or airplanes), the drinking laws 'go away' outside of US airspace. In the 1930s, booze cruises were very popular... But googling shows it is the age of the country of registration in international airspace now.  
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
US laws stop at the border

Nitpick: ends with US airspace (I forget, is that 20 or 30 miles off shore?) if the aircraft originated in the USA. That would be the border when entering Canadian or other airspace.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 16):
"Sorry sir, we're flying over Saudi Arabia airspace now, so it'll have to be juice or coke!"

A plane landing in Saudi must collect alcoholic beverages at entry into Saudi airspace.

Quoting 777klm (Reply 11):
No, it would be 16 years for alcoholic beverages under 22% ABV

IMHO a sensible law. I'm... err... well over twice that age and I believe that. The US drinking laws just make it so a large fraction of the population has broken the law by age 21.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-05-17 06:46:06 and read 11464 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
Nitpick: ends with US airspace (I forget, is that 20 or 30 miles off shore?) if the aircraft originated in the USA. That would be the border when entering Canadian or other airspace.

Could possibly be wrong, but I was sure that while a foreign aircraft was on the ground, the country in which the aircraft is on the ground has jurisdiction over the aircraft until the doors are closed. When the doors are closed the passengers are under the jurisdiction of the country the aircraft is registered under.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-05-17 07:06:25 and read 11176 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
Nitpick: ends with US airspace (I forget, is that 20 or 30 miles off shore?) if the aircraft originated in the USA. That would be the border when entering Canadian or other airspace.
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 18):
When the doors are closed the passengers are under the jurisdiction of the country the aircraft is registered under.

He is right, Lightsaber. As long as the departing airport is a customs airport, it is a border point. Once the doors are closed, the passengers have technically crossed the border. The nice German word is "Grenzuebergangsort"

But nothing stops lawmakers in the US to draft stupid laws. Wasn't it New Mexico trying to impose their local laws, not only drinking but sales tax as well, to overflying aircraft?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
A plane landing in Saudi must collect alcoholic beverages at entry into Saudi airspace.

yep, and as a foreign carrier I would not work against that. They might sneak in an agent from the religion police and before the purses and the captain get 50 lashes they better comply.

I remember the good old days when Tridents, Vanguards and Viscounts ruled the skies over Britain and the bars had to be closed until the aircraft were really airborne. HM Customs and Excise was very picky on that.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2013-05-17 07:06:49 and read 11175 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 5):
On international flights operated by US carriers, it's the law the flight attendant feels like enforcing.

It's still 21 on international flights operated by US carriers regardless of who is serving you. If you happened to be served and you're underage....bully for you. Enjoy.

The laws apply where the liquor license is held, regardless of where the plane is, door is open, etc. Example....Continental's liquor license was in TX and regardless where a CO plane was, TX liquor laws applied. Also, in addition to that, there are liquor bond laws, those differ country to country, as to what alcohol is and can be served on the ground for passengers.

[Edited 2013-05-17 07:41:38]

[Edited 2013-05-17 07:44:59]

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-05-17 07:09:49 and read 11141 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 18):

I heard from an official (customs) at LHR, as long as the wheels touch the ground.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: futureatp
Posted 2013-05-17 07:09:58 and read 11141 times.

At age 14 (in 1994) I was offered a glass of either wine or champagne on a Qantas flight SYD-LAX. I just quickly researched the Australian drinking age, and its a little confusing. 18 with a possible provision for 16 with an adult. Or the 16 may just be permission to enter such an establishment. Not sure. Either way, I looked nothing close to 18 (or even 16) at the time. My sister was seated next to me, she was12 at the time and was not offered. I didn't take up the offer.

Interestingly enough, this was in coach class. I got to ride down in biz class on the upper deck and received no offer of alcoholic beverage 

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: LH7478i
Posted 2013-05-17 07:25:11 and read 10914 times.

LH served me a beer when I was returning from an exchange year in the USA on the flight back to Germany.   At that point I was only 16 .

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-05-17 07:28:31 and read 10862 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 21):
I heard from an official (customs) at LHR, as long as the wheels touch the ground.

I'm quite sure it is when the doors are closed. However, if something on the aircraft was wrong (they needs to get a passsenger off for prosecution for example) and the aircraft had closed its doors, I'm sure, in practise, that the captin would have no objection to the opening of the doors, thereby re-instating the authority of the country that aircraft was in.

I do have a question though. Assuming the information we have on here is correct, how is it legal, for example, BA to serve champagne to an 18 year old traveling in J or F for a pre-departure drink. I do know that BA are only allowed to servce water, orange juice, and champagne on the ground though. Not sure if this has anything to do with boarder laws though.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: leonardoq
Posted 2013-05-17 07:58:11 and read 10936 times.

I don't understand how it works with EK then... i've flown with then twice and alcohol was always served... is it legal to buy alcohol in the UAE?

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: zeke
Posted 2013-05-17 08:08:43 and read 10794 times.

Quoting thaiflyer (Reply 1):

If that is true, how many aircraft to you know have a licence to serve ?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
A plane landing in Saudi must collect alcoholic beverages at entry into Saudi airspace.

We off load it on any sector landing in the kingdom.

Quoting leonardoq (Reply 25):

I don't understand how it works with EK then... i've flown with then twice and alcohol was always served... is it legal to buy alcohol in the UAE?

Yes, there are conditions.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: HELFAN
Posted 2013-05-17 08:33:18 and read 10557 times.

In the 80's you were able to fly with AF from HEL to ARN. I did it once when I was 16, in economy of course. During the 45 min flight they served most delicious salmon sandwich accompanied with nice French white wine. After that there was coffee with VSOP cognac. No questions asked. There was really a touch of French class. On AY or SK you only got a soft drink on that same route those days

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: ORDJOE
Posted 2013-05-17 08:42:38 and read 10399 times.

On a similar note in regards to US originating and domestic flights, how to liquor licenses work with the local counties and towns. I remember in the Admirals club a few years back I saw the Chicago liquor license posted and named Gerard AArpey as president on the license.

I understand the lounges would be clear cut under the city in which the airport is in, but how does it work for the beverage carts. My guess is they somehow operate under the caterers license.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2013-05-17 09:19:02 and read 9965 times.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 2):
The overwhelming majority of the world is 18, so its pretty standard as long as you are that old on a non US/Canadian carrier it won't be an issue.

Legal drinking age in Canada is 18 in Alberta, Manitoba and Quebec and 19 in all other provinces/territories.

Interesting twist - SK will not serve alcohol to Swedes or Norwegians under 20.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: 802flyguy
Posted 2013-05-17 09:31:38 and read 9848 times.

Back in 81 or so, I was on a Pan Am DC-10 LAX-SFO, ex National crew; I was under 21 back then. The F/A asked me (I thought) if I wanted a hot towel. "Wow, Clipper style, on a short haul flight" I thought, and said "Yes. please" only to be puzzled when she asked me for ID. I had misunderstood her deep southern drawl "cocktail' for "hot towel"!  

(Yes, I know that it might sound strange to international readers not familiar with Southern US English, but, it's really not such a stretch.)

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: tmoney
Posted 2013-05-17 10:05:03 and read 9470 times.

Here's my story: I was 17 when I first came to US. I flew SQ/MI RGN-SIN-DME-IAH. (Total journey time: approx 33hrs) And to knock myself out for that long a$$ flight I took shots after shots of any alcohol available on the flight.

I really did get knocked out. But for like 5-6 hrs only! The rest of the journey: Hangover!

I was perspiring so bad and had a terrible headache and was dizzy all the way to H-town. Being seated next to a heavyset guy on a window seat in Y didn't really help either.

If you;'re travelling alone on Y. What's your magic to surviving those long flights??

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: 802flyguy
Posted 2013-05-17 11:15:45 and read 8728 times.

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 28):
On a similar note in regards to US originating and domestic flights, how to liquor licenses work with the local counties and towns. I remember in the Admirals club a few years back I saw the Chicago liquor license posted and named Gerard AArpey as president on the license.

Many (most?) Jetways in California have a Prop 65 (health advisory) notice that warns of the possible health effects of alcohol; bars and restaurants have the notice as well.

Someone on the board probably remember this better than I:
A few years ago there was a lawsuit against US Airways (it may have been from back in the HP days) involving a car crash in New Mexico. The driver had been served alcohol on a US flight (had also had drinks before boarding IIRC). As part of a settlement with state, the carrier stopped serving alcohol of flights to/from ABQ. I think the restriction is longer in effect.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: whiplash
Posted 2013-05-17 11:29:32 and read 8574 times.

i was flying back from JFK to DEL on Air India in 2011 and i was only 19 then. The flight attendant offered beer to the passenger next to me and then looked at me and asked if i wanted beer. I gulped and told her that i was underage, but she just winked and gave me beer anyway, and told me that it was our little secret..   

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: chumley
Posted 2013-05-17 11:38:06 and read 8465 times.

It is important to note that the United States of America, as a country, does NOT have an age restriction on the sale of liquor. Liquor laws are defined by the states. As an earlier post mentioned, the airline's ability to serve liquor on it's flights is permitted by a state-issued license.

I don't know if a single license in the state of the airline HQ is satisfactory, or if a separate license is needed for each station where liquor is actually loaded onto the aircraft.

This was the issue with the US/HP ABQ situation in the past. The state of New Mexico tried to claim that US/HP could not serve liquor on a flight that originated in New Mexico because they did not have a liquor license issued by the state of New Mexico. For a while, US/HP simply decided to not serve liquor on NM-originating flights. I don't recall the resolution to that, but I'm sure it's here on a.net if you want to read more about it.

There may be FAA rules that also apply, but the key is that in the US, liquor licenses are issued by individual states and each state has different laws --- though they all now carry the same 21-year old age limit.

But can a delayed US flight leaving PHX for CLT at 2am legally serve you a beer while in Arizona airspace shortly after takeoff? Arizona liquor laws prohibit sales from 2am-6:00am. NC is dry from 2:30-7:00am. That's an interesting question!!

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: ORDJOE
Posted 2013-05-17 11:46:08 and read 8364 times.

Quoting chumley (Reply 34):

It is important to note that the United States of America, as a country, does NOT have an age restriction on the sale of liquor. Liquor laws are defined by the states. As an earlier post mentioned, the airline's ability to serve liquor on it's flights is permitted by a state-issued license.

You are right on that, Wisconsin held out until the late 80s. Basically Congress mandated that unless a state implements a 21 drinking age they will not give out federal highway/motorway funding.

The state license still intrigues me as every state would want their hands on the money that comes with license fees.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: 802flyguy
Posted 2013-05-17 12:20:49 and read 8023 times.

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 35):
You are right on that, Wisconsin held out until the late 80s. Basically Congress mandated that unless a state implements a 21 drinking age they will not give out federal highway/motorway funding.

At the risk of topic creep, you raise a good point. The drinking age is indeed set by the states, but the states were "encouraged' to raise it to 21 by Congress.

Underage and underage binge drinking are indeed serious problems in the US, but I believe that binge drinking is in part a result of the "forbidden fruit' aspect of alcohol. Many college presidents have suggested the age be lowered back to 18.

As for reducing underage (

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: WildcatYXU
Posted 2013-05-17 12:58:06 and read 7686 times.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 29):
Legal drinking age in Canada is 18 in Alberta, Manitoba and Quebec and 19 in all other provinces/territories.

Now comes the tricky question: What's the drinking age on AC and WS flight? One is headquartered in Quebec, the other in Alberta. So it's 18 or 19?

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: jayunited
Posted 2013-05-17 13:37:48 and read 7301 times.

Quoting chumley (Reply 34):
But can a delayed US flight leaving PHX for CLT at 2am legally serve you a beer while in Arizona airspace shortly after takeoff? Arizona liquor laws prohibit sales from 2am-6:00am. NC is dry from 2:30-7:00am. That's an interesting question!!

The State of Arizona does not have airspace, the United States of America has airspace and although you can not buy liquor in the of Arizona from 2-6 am while on the ground it is perfectly legal once in the air because the U.S. does not have restrictions on when alcoholic beverages can be served. Another example is this there are many cities and some states here in the U.S. that have banned the sale of alcohol on Sundays (with the exception being bars and restaurants). So if you are going to watch a football game and enjoy a few drinks on a Sunday afternoon at home with friends you have to go to liquor store on Saturday and stock up because come Sunday you either have to go to a bar or sit a home with nothing to drink. But in those same cities if you were to get on a plane you can now buy alcoholic beverage because federal law does not restrict when liquor can be sold.

However getting back to the topic I think that most carriers will follow the laws of their particular country so whatever the legal drinking age is in that carriers country is probably what the legal drinking age will be on board the aircraft.

Although I must admit I have never seen anyone get carded on an aircraft by a flight attendant.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: eljonno
Posted 2013-05-17 14:39:37 and read 6705 times.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 38):
But in those same cities if you were to get on a plane you can now buy alcoholic beverage because federal law does not restrict when liquor can be sold.


On that basis though, there is also no minimum legal age at which you can buy alcohol whilst in federal air space - provided that no federal law imposes one.

[Edited 2013-05-17 14:52:48]

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: kdhurst380
Posted 2013-05-17 14:40:53 and read 6679 times.

I've only every been asked my age on a couple out of hundreds of flights, never any proof of age. I think discretion is probably the key (I've only ever been asked by particularly arsey crews). If you're not misbehaving, who cares.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: cytz_pilot
Posted 2013-05-17 14:57:50 and read 6536 times.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 38):
Although I must admit I have never seen anyone get carded on an aircraft by a flight attendant.

The only time I have ever been carded for an alcohol purchase onboard was on a Frontier flight a few months ago.

Want to know the kicker? I'm 35.  

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-05-17 15:11:31 and read 6412 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 18):
When the doors are closed the passengers are under the jurisdiction of the country the aircraft is registered under.

I expect it's the the country the airline is registered under, not the aircraft. For example, I would highly doubt that AZ aircraft registered in Ireland are subject to Irish jurisdiction in such matters, or Aeroflot aircraft registered in Bermuda etc.

And if a passenger commits an offence on an aircraft after the doors are closed and the flight is delayed and the doors opened and the local police called to intervene, the laws of wherever the aircraft is certainly apply. Same applies when an international flight diverts due to an unruly passenger. The laws of the country where the flight lands apply.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: Boeing744
Posted 2013-05-17 15:53:14 and read 6055 times.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 37):
Now comes the tricky question: What's the drinking age on AC and WS flight? One is headquartered in Quebec, the other in Alberta. So it's 18 or 19?

Well, in both those provinces the drinking age is 18.

For the record, the only time I've ever been carded on a plane was on WestJet flying YOW-YYC (so, jurisdictions with 19 and 18 respectively). I was 18 at the time, and I got the beer, so I suppose they go off Alberta rules.

I have drank alcohol on Air Canada, Porter, KLM and United without ever being carded (I am nearly 22).

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-05-17 16:08:41 and read 5959 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 42):
I expect it's the the country the airline is registered under, not the aircraft

Under International Law of the Sea it is, in fact, the country where the vessel is registered.

You raise an interesting question though, what happens when airline lease aircraft that are registered in other jurisdictions?

Quoting 802flyguy (Reply 36):

Underage and underage binge drinking are indeed serious problems in the US, but I believe that binge drinking is in part a result of the "forbidden fruit' aspect of alcohol

At risk of serious topic creep, having been a university student in both Australia and USA I fully agree with this. These are some of my observations: Obviously Australia is 18 so virtually every college age kid is legal. For a start this encourages people to go out and drink at bars or nightclubs. This means that (1) they can't binge/chug/skull drinks as easy as you get it in a little glass and then have to go back and line up again, and (2) the bar staff can moderate your intake, and remove you if you become too intoxicated. The first point is important in that it, effectively, means that people drink less over the course of the night.

Also, and this one really concerns me, from what I observed at college in the USA students are more likely to do the harder stuff. The level of drug use (and abuse) was off the scale compared to my campus in Australia. One person I spoke to about it said that she did other things because it was illegal for her to drink anyway, so she might as well go all out. Personally, this in my opinion is the worse impact of the 21 drinking age. If anything it creates a culture of braking the law, and therefore the "line" you don't cross gets pushed back slightly.

This is just my 2c, but overall I believe that it is detrimental.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: DexSwart
Posted 2013-05-17 18:06:42 and read 5216 times.

I'm only sixteen and flying UA last year from SYD to LAX, and about over Fiji, if I remember correctly, I went to the flight attendant to ask for a Coke. He returned with a beer, winked, and gave it to me.

Flying MK from MRU to PER this year, I was chatting to the flight attendants in the galley, having a laugh, they asked me if I wanted a drink, I said yes, and let's just say I got to try some really nice Mauritian beer.
  

Air Mauritius even have a 15 second spiel in their safety video to say that flight attendants will limit or refuse to serve alcohol to whomever they believe is underage.

Just my experiences.

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: SQSFO
Posted 2013-05-17 21:16:47 and read 4255 times.

OK yes there are laws that govern this issue, but honestly who really follows them? NO ONE! In my experiences flying on UA, BA,QR,LH, OS, and CX, I have been offered since I was 15. And while for abroad nations it may not be a big deal, my domestic flights on UA I am always offered and served alcohol! My trip last year to Miami and IAD, the flight attendant offered me wine to accompany my lunch(and well who was i to decline?)

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-05-17 21:32:51 and read 4179 times.

I seem to remember once being on AA5 DFWHNL (waaay back when it was a DC10) and in First Class on a Sunday morning. The flight attendants could NOT serve pre departure alcoholic beverages. I remember one guy getting real real mad about it....

Topic: RE: Drinking Age On International Flights?
Username: twincessna340a
Posted 2013-05-17 23:12:57 and read 4043 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 44):
Personally, this in my opinion is the worse impact of the 21 drinking age. If anything it creates a culture of braking the law, and therefore the "line" you don't cross gets pushed back slightly.

  


Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 44):
Under International Law of the Sea it is, in fact, the country where the vessel is registered.

UNCOLS has no authority over aviation. The Convention on International Civil Aviation (Chicago Convention) is what governs international aviation, although it does draw several parallels.


Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 42):
And if a passenger commits an offence on an aircraft after the doors are closed and the flight is delayed and the doors opened and the local police called to intervene, the laws of wherever the aircraft is certainly apply. Same applies when an international flight diverts due to an unruly passenger. The laws of the country where the flight lands apply.

IMO it is a matter of scope on who has prosecutorial jurisdiction, which is a Chicago Convention issue.

Quoting eljonno (Reply 39):
On that basis though, there is also no minimum legal age at which you can buy alcohol whilst in federal air space - provided that no federal law imposes one.
Quoting chumley (Reply 34):
As an earlier post mentioned, the airline's ability to serve liquor on it's flights is permitted by a state-issued license.


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