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Topic: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: flybhx764
Posted 2013-05-16 13:44:00 and read 15176 times.

AI, which used to fly its Boeing-787 jet aircraft, also known as Dreamliners, on three international routes (to Paris, Dubai and Frankfurt) as well as domestic routes, will start operating international flights again, according to Minister for Civil Aviation Ajit Singh. “AI will start flights on the Dreamliner to Birmingham, Sydney and Melbourne in August. In October, it will start flights to Italy (Rome and Milan). And, early next year will see flights to Moscow. These flights will be to and from Delhi,

Nice to see some expansion and good luck to them to.


http://www.livemint.com/Companies/Lq...expand-aggressively-this-year.html

http://www.firstpost.com/business/wh...-fortunes-of-air-india-788345.html

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: indcwby
Posted 2013-05-16 14:23:24 and read 14894 times.

I wonder which frames they plan on using for these routes. Also, I laughed when I heard a rumor about a plan for AI to IAH. Didn't make sense when you have many preferring to fly with EK, QR, LH, BA, AF, KL before choosing AI.

[Edited 2013-05-16 14:24:18]

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: DexSwart
Posted 2013-05-16 14:50:11 and read 14693 times.

All of those routes have a large and thriving Indian population, and more connections and competition is always a good thing!

I wonder if they'll start flying to DUR anytime soon.
Last time I heard there were negotiations going on with a few Indian airlines for direct services to the SA. Especialy seeing as Durban has the largest Indian population in South Africa.
EK has a lot of advertising around Durban, promoting their direct flights and quick connections to over 20 destinations across the sub-continent, so I'm assuming the capacity is there...

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-05-16 15:17:10 and read 14524 times.

Quoting flybhx764 (Thread starter):
AI will start flights on the Dreamliner to ..., Sydney and Melbourne in August

Believe it when I see, guys & girls!

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: IAH59
Posted 2013-05-16 20:21:15 and read 13913 times.

Quoting indcwby (Reply 1):

As well on TK and small bit of traffic goes on SQ.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2013-05-16 21:34:24 and read 13593 times.

If so, it will be possible to fly from Australia to Europe completely by 787 SYD-DEL-FRA for eg:

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: attyavgeek
Posted 2013-05-16 22:04:28 and read 13228 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 3):

I agree!

Didn't AI just get rid of some 777LRs recently, which could have been beneficial on those routes.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-05-17 00:50:12 and read 11525 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 3):
Quoting flybhx764 (Thread starter):
AI will start flights on the Dreamliner to ..., Sydney and Melbourne in August

Believe it when I see, guys & girls!

Gemuser


        

Pigs will fly. I wish AI management would makeup their bloody mind opposed to making repeated announcements.

EK413

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: nclmedic
Posted 2013-05-17 01:32:44 and read 11185 times.

BHX? Pull the other one. MAN maybe, but even that looks far fetched for AI at the moment.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: gkirk
Posted 2013-05-17 02:25:45 and read 10748 times.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 8):
BHX? Pull the other one. MAN maybe, but even that looks far fetched for AI at the moment.

I'd suggest BHX is a bigger a market

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-05-17 02:40:26 and read 10602 times.

Quoting attyavgeek (Reply 6):
Didn't AI just get rid of some 777LRs recently, which could have been beneficial on those routes.

All of AI 777L are currently for sale. The plan is to have the long-haul flights operated exclusively by 787s. I've heard AI spokespeople say that by year end 2013, the following routes (in order of launch) will be 787 flown using a fleet of 13 787 aircraft:
DEL-LHR
DEL-FRA
DEL-CDG
DEL-ICN
DEL-HKG
DEL-MEL
DEL-SYD
BOM-LHR
DEL-ALA
DEL-MXP
DEL-NRT
DEL-KIX
DEL-SVO

I don't know where that leaves Birmingham and Rome (both equally deserving than the above).

With a further 5 787s due in 2014, 6 in 2015 and 3 in 2016, it leaves a lot of room for expansion into new markets.

A

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-05-17 02:44:44 and read 10547 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 3):
Believe it when I see

Me too. How many times have they now announced that they are about to launch Australia?!?

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-05-17 02:48:31 and read 10485 times.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 8):

BHX? Pull the other one. MAN maybe, but even that looks far fetched for AI at the moment.

Actually this is the ONE long hauler that Birmingham has almost in the bag , however I doubt that its before northern summer 2014. (Could be wrong AI are unpredictable !)

Quoting attyavgeek (Reply 6):
Didn't AI just get rid of some 777LRs recently, which could have been beneficial on those routes.

The deal with the Ukraine seems to have stalled at the moment - they should have been taking them at the start of Northern Summer however with the failure of Aerosvit its seem up in the air.

Currently all baring VT-ALH remain in service with the Air India.

Like it or not it does appear no one really wants these 77L's today.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-05-17 03:02:54 and read 10346 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 10):
DEL-ALA

This route seems out of place. Repositioning? I once took a 744 from ATQ-DEL on AI with no more than 10 people on the plane so I do not put anything past them.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: Flying Belgian
Posted 2013-05-17 03:08:10 and read 10274 times.

Quoting gkirk (Reply 9):
I'd suggest BHX is a bigger a market

Didn't AI fly ATQ-BHX-YYZ in the recent past ? IIRC with a former UA 772 most of the time.

As to an "all 787" long-haul ops scheme, one has to wonder about the loss of capacity on some routes. I mean, AI switches often some routes from a 77W to a 788 and vice versa...

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: DIJKKIJK
Posted 2013-05-17 05:00:40 and read 9222 times.

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 2):
All of those routes have a large and thriving Indian population, and more connections and competition is always a good thing!

BHX and YYZ have more Indian diaspora than all those other places combined, yet AI couldn't make them work.

The presence of diaspora does not imply year round, sustainable demand for air traffic.

And AI have been announcing those routes for a long time now. I guess we must wait till they actually materialize, if at all they do.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-05-17 05:09:28 and read 9116 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 10):
All of AI 777L are currently for sale. The plan is to have the long-haul flights operated exclusively by 787s. I've heard AI spokespeople say that by year end 2013, the following routes (in order of launch) will be 787 flown using a fleet of 13 787 aircraft:
DEL-LHR
DEL-FRA
DEL-CDG
DEL-ICN
DEL-HKG
DEL-MEL
DEL-SYD
BOM-LHR
DEL-ALA
DEL-MXP
DEL-NRT
DEL-KIX
DEL-SVO

So what happens to DEL-EWR and DEL-JFK?

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-05-17 05:54:38 and read 8558 times.

Quoting flybhx764 (Thread starter):
These flights will be to and from Delhi,

Wise to have one 787 base...

Quoting attyavgeek (Reply 6):
Didn't AI just get rid of some 777LRs recently,

   They were unable to sell them. (I don't know if it was AI's paper, offered price, or that other airlines just want the 77W.) Instead they will be configured in a high density regional configuration and fly DEL-JED and other popular regional routes.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 15):
The presence of diaspora does not imply year round, sustainable demand for air traffic.

   It implies very seasonal traffic...

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-05-17 06:00:27 and read 8469 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
Quoting attyavgeek (Reply 6):Didn't AI just get rid of some 777LRs recently,
They were unable to sell them. (I don't know if it was AI's paper, offered price, or that other airlines just want the 77W.) Instead they will be configured in a high density regional configuration and fly DEL-JED and other popular regional routes.

This link states all 77L are to be sold with Boeing's assistance http://post.jagran.com/air-india-to-...eamliners-its-workhorse-1368621342

[Edited 2013-05-17 06:02:43]

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: buck3y3nut
Posted 2013-05-17 07:12:30 and read 7663 times.

Competition is good and AI is still one of the few carriers left that allow 2 free bags. I know a lot of people here in my community that fly AI for that same reason... Plus the fact that if any of their parents are coming, the FA 'aunties' with AI are usually friendly with them (cause of the language) and the food isn't too bad either for them...
But I'd take all of this with a pinch of salt... afterall it is AI we are talking about  

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-05-17 07:24:39 and read 7516 times.

Quoting gkirk (Reply 9):
I'd suggest BHX is a bigger a market

I have given official stats concerning this statement of people many times on this website and once again I would like to summarize that the BHX-India market size is 40% approximately smaller than MAN-India and lower yielding as well.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 15):

BHX and AI couldn't make them work.

The presence of diaspora does not imply year round, sustainable demand for air traffic.

And AI have been announcing those routes for a long time now. I guess we must wait till they actually materialize, if at all they do.

None of AI's long haul routes in Asia nor Europe make a net profit currently and nor will the newly announced ones hence that is the not the primary motive behind this expansion. Its mainly due to increase revenue, be more competitive against the one stop EU/GCC carriers by offering a better nonstop product out of either DEL or BOM and utilize its B787 fleet to the maximum possible amount.

FYI the last time AI made a profit flying a long haul service was when it operated B744s from BOM to EWR via CDG !

[Edited 2013-05-17 07:55:29]

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: airdfw
Posted 2013-05-17 07:40:57 and read 7337 times.

The chairman in the interview also mentions some domestic 787 flying. Where does he all get capacity to do all these. Or the time horizon is like a decade for all this new routes?

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-05-17 11:02:37 and read 5344 times.

Quoting indcwby (Reply 1):
I wonder which frames they plan on using for these routes. Also, I laughed when I heard a rumor about a plan for AI to IAH. Didn't make sense when you have many preferring to fly with EK, QR, LH, BA, AF, KL before choosing AI.

With AI, who knows? Its not like they have to turn a profit since they are pretty much propped up by the government. They could start a flight to Memphis and not worry about it.

If they were going to start another city in the US, SFO definately makes the most sense.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: whiplash
Posted 2013-05-17 11:25:27 and read 5094 times.

Air India never needed the 77L's.. The longest route i seem them use it is the same i have seen 77E's cover.. They really should have gotten more 77W's and gotten rid of 744's completely.. Air India has been trying to get rid of the LR's for quite some time now and i really doubt anyone is interested in buying them anymore..
Anyway, the market in India is picking up and they might end up using 77L's for their larger capacity over the 787, than for the range on certain routes.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-05-17 12:04:05 and read 4615 times.

AI making sure DEL is connected with all those routes they have chalked out and what about BOM ?? Cant they not have decent connectivity from both DEL and BOM. When will they learn?

Some of there decisions doesn't make sense at all and I honestly feels some of us can run the company better than clueless management.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-05-17 12:08:39 and read 4673 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):

I always say that too, why on the earth AI wouldn't even think of MAN ??? do they know that there is place in Britain called Manchester and traffic on MAN-BOM/DEL route is tremendous.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: indcwby
Posted 2013-05-17 12:21:07 and read 4541 times.

With the way AI is operating, would you be surprised if Air India started up a Cargo service similar to what EK and LH have? If you have the frames, why not? Just throwing it out there like the IAH rumor.........

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: toxtethogrady
Posted 2013-05-17 12:28:17 and read 4479 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
With AI, who knows? Its not like they have to turn a profit since they are pretty much propped up by the government. They could start a flight to Memphis and not worry about it.

At the same time, there is a large Indian community in Houston, and this route has been talked about for years.

Then again, ICE has gone out of its way to sabotage Houston's route development.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-05-17 12:50:40 and read 4227 times.

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 27):
At the same time, there is a large Indian community in Houston, and this route has been talked about for years.

That doesnt mean much. If size of Indian community were basis for starting a flight, the Bay Area, LA, DC, Vancouver, and Dallas would all be ahead of Houston because the Indian communities are larger in those metro areas.

Youre dealing with the low yielding stuff that usually flies from the US to India on AI.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-05-17 13:29:24 and read 3872 times.

Quoting whiplash (Reply 23):
Air India never needed the 77L's

incorrect...AI definitely needed the B77Ls because out of BOM the B77W cannot fly with a full payload of pax + cargo to any North American city but the B77L can easily all the way up to ORD. The B77W too has a payload restriction on the DEL-YYZ and DEL-ORD segment of the flight.

AI's main problem with the B77L I feel is thats ultra-premium configuration. They could have easily got this plane to seat 300 pax (30J + 270Y) in a dual class configuration offering 62 i.e. 26% more on board capacity than its present layout and reaped in the benefits of it.

The 300 seater B77L would have been ideal rather than having a 340 seater B77W operate on routes where a stand alone terminator flight would not be able to support a daily B77W year round from a demand perspective of which the routes are DEL-YYZ, DEL-SYD, BOM-SYD and DEL-MEL.

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-05-17 17:13:00 and read 3468 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):
FYI the last time AI made a profit flying a long haul service was when it operated B744s from BOM to EWR via CDG !

It is my opinion that AI and every other Indian carrier are so poorly run that it really will not matter if they can operate many profitable long haul routes, they will lose that profit in inefficiencies, bad management, waste, and corruption. The future of Indian long haul flying, sadly, resides in DXB, DOH, and AUH. Just my   

tortugamon

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2013-05-17 19:51:51 and read 3269 times.

Quoting flybhx764 (Thread starter):
AI will start flights on the Dreamliner to Birmingham, Sydney and Melbourne in August.

HAHA yeah i'll believe that one when I see it.... isn't this the 3rd time they said they will do this...

Will there be 2 business class seats reserved for the tech crew on this flight and will flight attendants be trained on auto-pilot systems?               

Topic: RE: Air India Announces New International Routes
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-05-18 01:53:15 and read 2895 times.

Quoting indcwby (Reply 26):

They had, it was shut down last year.


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