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Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: as739x
Posted 2013-05-17 22:30:21 and read 20738 times.

We have delayed all EWR red-eyes from SFO for a closure of EWR. Heard and issue with US aircraft and wheels-up landing.

Any info?

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-05-17 22:49:36 and read 20664 times.

Nothing on OIS (http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/) or any local news sites...

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: nutsaboutplanes
Posted 2013-05-17 22:56:11 and read 20615 times.

My understanding is that it is USX.

[Edited 2013-05-17 22:57:58]

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: as739x
Posted 2013-05-17 23:18:34 and read 20517 times.

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 2):

Yeah, our information isn't great. But we are hearing US brand of some type. Full or partial gear up landing and that the runway has been foamed. Airport closure now till 0300Z (originally 1600). Red-eye's released

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2013-05-17 23:20:47 and read 20518 times.

A Dash 8-100 (934HA) operated by Piedmont landed wheels up at about 0100 EDT Everyone on board is okay, so I suppose the NTSB has to investigate and then they'll have to move the aircraft. I've heard there was minimal aircraft damage and that the props are okay. Sounds like the crew did an excellent job given the situation!

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: nutsaboutplanes
Posted 2013-05-17 23:52:08 and read 20370 times.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 4):
A Dash 8-100 (934HA) operated by Piedmont

Would have been PHL-EWR then.

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-05-18 00:00:36 and read 20327 times.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 4):
(934HA)

I was on that aircraft earlier this week, I'm really happy this didn't happen then.

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2013-05-18 01:50:15 and read 20079 times.

Here is a link to a story in the NY Post:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/p...M?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Local

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: CO764
Posted 2013-05-18 02:11:55 and read 20001 times.

Looks like it was flight 4560. According to the Flightaware data, after a normal cruise at 7,000 feet followed by a normal descent, it apparently reached an altitude of around 400 feet before performing a go-around and climbing to 3,000 feet before coming back in for an emergency landing.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/PDT4560

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: 9lflyguy
Posted 2013-05-18 04:41:15 and read 19722 times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqJfGTCb7M8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Someone got video of the incident

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: plateman
Posted 2013-05-18 05:13:16 and read 19600 times.

Just curious why they did not coat the runway in foam like say that LOT belly landing?

Also that video is awesome, it's amazing to see how prepared airports are for emergencies with that steady stream of first responders.

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2013-05-18 05:34:03 and read 19497 times.

Quoting plateman (Reply 10):
Just curious why they did not coat the runway in foam like say that LOT belly landing?

I think that is discouraged in recent years as may cause less control on touchdown, the plane could veer off the runway causing more injury to pax and more damage to the aircraft.

Apparently part of the landing gear failed, they believed it was better that to go 'all wheels up' and attempt a belly landing so any remaining gear down wouldn't grab the ground and cause more potential injury to pax. Looks like the pilot and crew did the job right, everyone walked away with no serious injuries.

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: rampart
Posted 2013-05-18 06:32:09 and read 18672 times.

Looks like it was on one of the main NE-SW runways (4R or 4L, I can't tell). Why would they not have used 11/29? I don't think weather was much of an issue last night here.

-Rampart

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: LGA777
Posted 2013-05-18 06:49:12 and read 18423 times.

Good link and video here, Kudos's to the crew for a great outcome.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ws%2Flocal%2Fnew_jersey&id=9107068

LGA777

[Edited 2013-05-18 06:50:20]

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: GoBoeing
Posted 2013-05-18 06:59:04 and read 18233 times.

Quoting rampart (Reply 12):
Looks like it was on one of the main NE-SW runways (4R or 4L, I can't tell). Why would they not have used 11/29? I don't think weather was much of an issue last night here.

Too short (for this type of thing, when longer ones are available).

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: rampart
Posted 2013-05-18 07:07:21 and read 18067 times.

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 14):
Too short (for this type of thing, when longer ones are available).

Got it, thanks.

Hypothetical, of course:
If EWR had parallel runways farther apart, like 1 mile apart, would there have still been a closure?
How about if 6/24 were not intersecting, could that have been used for the normal traffic (at least 757s and smaller) while 4/22 were closed?

-Rampart

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: whiteguy
Posted 2013-05-18 07:38:14 and read 17534 times.

Love the news, only Dash in the world that can dump fuel!

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: n797mx
Posted 2013-05-18 07:44:13 and read 17416 times.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 13):
Good link and video here, Kudos's to the crew for a great outcome.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ws%2Flocal%2Fnew_jersey&id=9107068

LGA777

"The pilot had dumped all the fuel"

Does the Dash 8 have a dump system? I think it only has the overflow system for jettisoning fuel, right?

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: whiteguy
Posted 2013-05-18 08:00:30 and read 17163 times.

Quoting n797mx (Reply 17):
"The pilot had dumped all the fuel"

Does the Dash 8 have a dump system? I think it only has the overflow system for jettisoning fuel, right?

No the Dash 8 cannot dump fuel!

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: nutsaboutplanes
Posted 2013-05-18 08:34:19 and read 16498 times.

The best thing about the merger is that the media wont call the airline by the wrong name anymore......"US Air"   

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: TVNWZ
Posted 2013-05-18 08:47:49 and read 16259 times.

Aparently the landing gear issues with this type have not been fixed.

Topic: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-05-18 09:00:51 and read 15970 times.

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 20):
Aparently the landing gear issues with this type have not been fixed.

That airplane is close to 30 years old and this is entirely unrelated to the Q400 gear issues.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: N766UA
Posted 2013-05-18 10:14:17 and read 14557 times.

Quoting plateman (Reply 10):
Just curious why they did not coat the runway in foam like say that LOT belly landing?

Because it's typically unnecessary, arguably hazardous, and entirely a misconception that it's SOP to do so.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: AirFrance744
Posted 2013-05-18 10:24:21 and read 14306 times.

Here is a very good link with lots of pictures and videos.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...cy-belly-landing-article-1.1347729

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: N766UA
Posted 2013-05-18 10:58:51 and read 13617 times.

I love how the news phrases it "dozens of people haveā€¦. walked away unhurt!" and the caption reads "dozens unharmed."

Seriously, who does that?! The only reason to state it that way is to make you think they're saying or are about to say something worse. The news is just freakin' disgusting.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: bueb0g
Posted 2013-05-18 11:28:50 and read 13709 times.

Avherald article:

http://avherald.com/h?article=46273d9a&opt=0

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2013-05-18 11:48:36 and read 13408 times.

http://youtu.be/iqJfGTCb7M8

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: rikkus67
Posted 2013-05-18 11:57:47 and read 13769 times.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 24):
Seriously, who does that?! The only reason to state it that way is to make you think they're saying or are about to say something worse. The news is just freakin' disgusting.

American-style journalism.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 21):
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 20):
Aparently the landing gear issues with this type have not been fixed.

That airplane is close to 30 years old and this is entirely unrelated to the Q400 gear issues.

Dash 8-100, 200, 300, Q200/300 = Dowty (Messier-Dowty) landing gear http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Hm0Q5gQwPls/hqdefault.jpg

Dash 8-400 (Q400) = Goodrich landing gear
http://training.deicinginnovations.c...uploads/2012/04/Q400-Main-Gear.jpg

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2013-05-18 13:05:10 and read 12424 times.

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 27):
American-style journalism.

I'm not sure what the complaint is. It's a problem when the news reports that people are unhurt?

There's no need to go looking for stuff to complain about.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: vgnatl747
Posted 2013-05-18 13:29:19 and read 12069 times.

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 20):
Aparently the landing gear issues with this type have not been fixed.

Don't see how you could relate the two. The gear issues have been with the Q400's... those -100's are what... 25 years old?

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: 802flyguy
Posted 2013-05-18 13:39:00 and read 11932 times.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 7):
Here is a link to a story in the NY Post:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/p...Local

Ah, that bastion of journalism!

Of course the headlines are full of the likes of "U.S. Airways" (with periods) "jet", "the pilot" (no F/O, on that flight, I guess, and his "heroic landing" (can't you just see him in leather helmet, goggles, scarf and (presumably) jodpurs. No mention of "Express" or Piedmont, of course. (How does DL manage to usually keep its name out of the papers when one of its affiliate carriers has an incident)

Daily Mail, true to form, speaks of "terrified passengers" and how miraculous it was that a blazing inferno did not result.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...k-airport-landing-gear-failed.html

Just the usual terrible reporting and even worse headlines. Hey, not every reporter can have John Nance in the Rolodex, I guess. I do like his voice of reason when reporters bother to consult him.

As for his rather implausible novels, that is another story! Which pilot-hijacks-his-own-plane one did yinz like better?  
The guy should have stuck to nonfiction like "Splash of Colors: Was that really thirty years ago. But I disgress.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-05-18 14:02:34 and read 11428 times.

Quoting 802flyguy (Reply 30):
Daily Mail, true to form, speaks of "terrified passengers" and how miraculous it was that a blazing inferno did not result.

In all fairness, a lot of people are terrified when they get on those airplanes. Having anything go wrong, simply makes it worse.

Quoting vgnatl747 (Reply 29):
those -100's are what... 25 years old?

Pretty close to the mark:

Quote:
Certification Issued: 1989-03-08

Source:
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N934HA.html

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-05-18 14:10:14 and read 11305 times.

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 27):
Dash 8-400 (Q400) = Goodrich landing gear

Main gear only. Nose gear is built by Fokker.
http://www.fokker.com/Programs

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2013-05-18 14:23:39 and read 11055 times.

Quoting 802flyguy (Reply 30):
Hey, not every reporter can have John Nance in the Rolodex, I guess. I do like his voice of reason when reporters bother to consult him.

As for his rather implausible novels, that is another story! Which pilot-hijacks-his-own-plane one did yinz like better?
The guy should have stuck to nonfiction like "Splash of Colors: Was that really thirty years ago. But I disgress.

Heh, my fave novel of his is still tied between Final Approach and Phoenix Rising.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: NOWINYOW
Posted 2013-05-18 17:02:06 and read 8731 times.

Assuming sufficient on-board fuel, would it not be prudent to divert the aircraft to a lesser used airport providing the emergency support teams could be assembled?

If this were to occur at ORD, for example, with its' multiple runway availability the impact to so many other arriving / departing aircraft would be minimal. At EWR, one runway closure causes a massive disruption.

I don't mean to disrespect those on board, but secondary airports could play a much more relevant role in these types of situations.

???

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-05-18 18:36:02 and read 7471 times.

Quoting NOWINYOW (Reply 34):

I don't mean to disrespect those on board, but secondary airports could play a much more relevant role in these types of situations.

True but it doesnt seem to have made too big a problem. Plus these passengers needed to arrive in EWR. Lets just say they deverted to Stewart. Those passengers who have already been thru alot are now not at their destination on top of a tramatic event. Given the time being so late i think it made sense to use EWR. If it was 2pm i agree maybe an alternate airport would make sense but not at 1am. EWR and the flight crew seemed to handle this pretty perfectly. Was definitely scary for the passengers onboard glad it went perfectly.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: hawaiian717
Posted 2013-05-18 19:10:58 and read 7013 times.

Usually the biggest airports have the most/best emergency response equipment as well. So it's preferable to go there. Remember, when JetBlue 292 diverted to LAX, the airline didn't have regular service there.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: 802flyguy
Posted 2013-05-19 15:18:22 and read 4380 times.

Quoting hawaiian717 (Reply 36):
Usually the biggest airports have the most/best emergency response equipment as well. So it's preferable to go there. Remember, when JetBlue 292 diverted to LAX, the airline didn't have regular service there.

That is very true. A place like SWF has nowhere near CFR resources of a major airport, not mention proximity to medical/trauma centers. in case thing go bad. Safety trumps disrupting things for a while.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: Mir
Posted 2013-05-19 15:24:28 and read 4345 times.

Quoting NOWINYOW (Reply 34):
Assuming sufficient on-board fuel, would it not be prudent to divert the aircraft to a lesser used airport providing the emergency support teams could be assembled?

Except that lesser-used airports normally don't have the quantity of emergency support teams that main airports do, by virtue of them being lesser-used. EWR was definitely the right place to go in the circumstances (JFK would have been fine as well, but if the flight was going to EWR anyway that wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense).

-Mir

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: RamblinMan
Posted 2013-05-20 16:56:36 and read 3428 times.

I personally know the pilot...he got up the next morning and took his granddaughter whitewater rafting, laughing off the whole thing as just part of the job.

Capt. Powers is a hard-ass. Just sayin.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: T prop
Posted 2013-05-20 18:34:14 and read 3220 times.

Nice how the crew managed to keep the wings off the ground. Usually the airplane will roll to one side, drag a wingtip and damage a propeller. Old Dash 8's are tough birds and while this one is repairable, it will probably end up as a write off depending upon how many cycles/ hours it has.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-05-20 18:38:02 and read 3205 times.

Quoting T prop (Reply 40):
Old Dash 8's are tough birds and while this one is repairable, it will probably end up as a write off depending upon how many cycles/ hours it has.

I wouldn't count on this one being written off. I'll bet it will be back flying fairly soon, unless they are unable to find replacement parts.

Topic: RE: Piedmont Dash 8 Lands Gear Up At EWR
Username: passedv1
Posted 2013-05-20 21:07:44 and read 2935 times.

Why would they not divert to a "lesser used" airport to minimize the impact on the National Airspace System? Aside from the nice runway, the fact they were already going there which means Wx, performance, etc have already been checked, CFR, Company support for your now stranded passengers. It's really not even a close call. Besides, the person who is charged with making the decision of where to go cares very close to zero about delays he will be causing by landing his aircraft in EWR.

When there is any incident at an airport the airport is generally closed for a short while as the subsequent aircraft after an incident/accident would not have adequate CFR protection at the required response time.

Any word why the alternate extension did not work?


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