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Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: SELMER40
Posted 2013-05-04 07:44:03 and read 18585 times.

Delta's MD-90 N950DN, the next-to-last to come over from JAL, according to FlightAware is enroute from KMSP to KVQQ where it will get its mods.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-05-04 07:56:03 and read 18522 times.

The last JL MD90 was retired a few weeks back and should be making its way to the USA in a few weeks too

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: lucky777
Posted 2013-05-04 07:58:11 and read 18506 times.

Excellent news for Delta as well as its passengers. I'd much rather fly on an MD88/90 versus any of the narrowbody offerings from either Boeing or Airbus. Will the -90s be getting AVOD as well?

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: B757forever
Posted 2013-05-04 09:39:48 and read 18176 times.

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 2):
Will the -90s be getting AVOD as well?

Current plan. No.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: bigbird
Posted 2013-05-04 10:39:21 and read 18009 times.

What is the current planned date to have all MD-90s in service? That is all of the current ones that we know about.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-04 10:44:48 and read 17974 times.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 4):

There are quite a few still awaiting mods. B the current pace I'd say all frames should be complete by early '14.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: KGRB
Posted 2013-05-04 11:58:39 and read 17755 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
There are quite a few still awaiting mods. B the current pace I'd say all frames should be complete by early '14.

I'm already impressed by the number of routes that are run by MD-90 equipment. By the time all of the mods are complete, the MD-90 will make up a significant percentage of the narrowbody fleet. From a personal point of view, I love being able to non-rev on the airline that flies all four of the major mainline narrowbody families (737, 757, A319/A320, DC-9 /MD-88/MD-90/717)!  

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: dlramp4life
Posted 2013-05-04 13:05:53 and read 17577 times.

That is good news. The MD90s are a great fit for the DL network.

Also my station just got the parking lines repainted for the 717 and 739 but they also painted lines for the 321 at all of our gates.... That one makes no sense to me

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 2):
I'd much rather fly on an MD88/90 versus any of the narrowbody offerings from either Boeing or Airbus

From a rampers point of view, we like working all narrow body planes expect the MD family at least in my station.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: LV
Posted 2013-05-04 13:09:15 and read 17560 times.

So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-05-04 13:11:45 and read 17546 times.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 3):

Current plan. No.

That is a shame considering many run on 3-4 hour runs out of MSP.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2013-05-04 13:33:01 and read 17449 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 9):
That is a shame considering many run on 3-4 hour runs out of MSP.

Is AVOD really a requirement on such a segment? I mean, seriously...

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: jetjack74
Posted 2013-05-04 13:40:06 and read 17411 times.

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 2):

Excellent news for Delta as well as its passengers. I'd much rather fly on an MD88/90 versus any of the narrowbody offerings from either Boeing or Airbus. Will the -90s be getting AVOD as well?

As the others have stated, currently, AFAWK, there are no plans to put video entertainment on them. Initially there was, but as fuel prices climbed and market volitility began to rise in late 20, we shelved those plans. But we also, at that time, shelved plans to update the 753 fleet and the 757-5600 fleet as well, but we are no going fwd to reconfigure those aircraft and the with nose-to-tail AVOD and new slimline seats, new overhead bins(pivot-style for the 757 and 737 fleet), so it with all that happening, it would not surprise me to see us revamp the MD-90 fleet close after that, providing the economy stays intact. The MD-90s are averaging these days on the 3-4 legs, so for competitive reasons, it would only make sense for us to do so.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: B757forever
Posted 2013-05-04 14:22:50 and read 17281 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 8):
So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

I too wonder about that. My guess is additional MD90 and B717 aircraft.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: LV
Posted 2013-05-04 14:54:52 and read 17174 times.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 12):
I too wonder about that. My guess is additional MD90 and B717 aircraft.

I was actually thinking some gently used 738's might be on the list if WN doesn't get to them first.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: SELMER40
Posted 2013-05-04 15:06:37 and read 17140 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
... quite a few still awaiting mods

ch-aviation.ch says there are none in storage at KMZJ, 1 more to come over from JAL and 7 in various stages of the process in KATL for paint or in KVQQ for mod. I believe these 8 will be done by the end of July, if not sooner, so work can begin on the 717s that go into service later this year.

[Edited 2013-05-04 15:11:37]

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: KC135TopBoom
Posted 2013-05-04 15:08:24 and read 17124 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 8):
So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

B-727???

        

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-05-04 16:22:04 and read 16888 times.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 11):
shelved plans to update the 753 fleet and the 757-5600 fleet as well, but we are no going fwd to reconfigure those aircraft and the with nose-to-tail AVOD and new slimline seats, new overhead bins(pivot-style for the 757 and 737 fleet), so it with all that happening, it would not surprise me to see us revamp the MD-90 fleet close after that, providing the economy stays intact. The MD-90s are averaging these days on the 3-4 legs, so for competitive reasons, it would only make sense for us to do so.

So, the 5600-series 752s are getting AVOD? I know about the 753s, however, I didn't know the 5600-series 752s will be getting AVOD as well. Also, are there really plans to install pivot bins on the entire 737 and 757 fleet? I know the 739ERs will come with the Boeing Sky Interior from the factory, however, if there are plans to install pivot bins on other narrowbodies (Heath Tecna Project Amber I presume), that would be great.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-04 17:39:56 and read 16429 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 13):
I was actually thinking some gently used 738's might be on the list if WN doesn't get to them first.

That much has been stated by Ed Bastian. They are in the market for some second hand narrowbodies in the 738/320 range and capacity class. Simply but, although the MD90 is a great airplane, it does not have the legs like the 320 or 738 to do transcons and the like. Let's also remember that with the 757 drawdown, although we have 739s coming online, they need something to fly LatAm and the Caribbean. The 739 isn't exactly capable on the routes due to runway length at some of the stations.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: Coronado
Posted 2013-05-04 20:05:34 and read 15017 times.

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 14):

What work is Delta doing on the 717's? I thought WN is responsible for the mods to Delta specs.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: B757forever
Posted 2013-05-04 20:35:48 and read 14687 times.

Quoting Coronado (Reply 18):
What work is Delta doing on the 717's?

DL is not doing any work on the 717 aircraft. WN is handling that per the agreement.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: TrijetsRMissed
Posted 2013-05-04 21:03:38 and read 14462 times.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 12):
Quoting LV (Reply 8):
So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

I too wonder about that. My guess is additional MD90 and B717 aircraft.

Don't rule out additional MD-80s for spare part inventory. Particularly, relatively modest total flight-hour aircraft.

Of the MD-vintage types, I think an official confirmation on the Taiwan MD-90s is likely to happen next. I don't think DL will commit to additional 717s until they are able to evaluate the type after EIS. But ultimately, I do expect DL to operate more the 88 717s.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: NWAROOSTER
Posted 2013-05-05 10:03:05 and read 11099 times.

Delta will continue purchasing of or leasing MD-90s and probably the 717 along with any other aircraft which Delta currently flyies that fits their economics of scale.
"Why buy new when slightly used will do?"   

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2013-05-05 12:21:19 and read 10913 times.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
Don't rule out additional MD-80s for spare part inventory. Particularly, relatively modest total flight-hour aircraft.

DL's has purchased older MD-80's and an MD-87 for spares before...it wouldnt surprise me if they bought more.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: SELMER40
Posted 2013-05-05 13:51:57 and read 10778 times.

Quoting Coronado (Reply 18):
I thought WN is responsible for the mods.


They are. I believe the 717 mods will be done at the same location as the MD-90s but, paid for by WN. There has been a lot of experience gained there by doing the MD-90s.

[Edited 2013-05-05 13:59:28]

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: jetjack74
Posted 2013-05-05 15:17:40 and read 10636 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
So, the 5600-series 752s are getting AVOD? I know about the 753s, however, I didn't know the 5600-series 752s will be getting AVOD as well. Also, are there really plans to install pivot bins on the entire 737 and 757 fleet? I know the 739ERs will come with the Boeing Sky Interior from the factory, however, if there are plans to install pivot bins on other narrowbodies (Heath Tecna Project Amber I presume), that would be great.

At the meeting where I was the person-in-question who disclosed this didn't elaborate on the details, it was more of just a matter of fact.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: MIflyer12
Posted 2013-05-05 16:13:58 and read 11075 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Let's also remember that with the 757 drawdown, although we have 739s coming online, they need something to fly LatAm and the Caribbean. The 739 isn't exactly capable on the routes due to runway length at some of the stations.

There are ~30 757-200s delivered 1998 or later that have a lot of Delta years left. These will likely fly the few TATL and Caribbean/Lat Am routes that really need the range or take-off capability.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: lucky777
Posted 2013-05-05 16:19:10 and read 11073 times.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 7):
From a rampers point of view, we like working all narrow body planes expect the MD family at least in my station.

Really? Sure a carpeted 757 is great as are the A319/20s....but the 737-700/800s (and soon enough -900) or 757 without carpet is a PITA...i'll take an MD over those beasts any day of the week.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-05-05 18:07:10 and read 11076 times.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 11):
As the others have stated, currently, AFAWK, there are no plans to put video entertainment on them. Initially there was, but as fuel prices climbed and market volitility began to rise in late 20, we shelved those plans. But we also, at that time, shelved plans to update the 753 fleet and the 757-5600 fleet as well, but we are no going fwd to reconfigure those aircraft and the with nose-to-tail AVOD and new slimline seats, new overhead bins(pivot-style for the 757 and 737 fleet), so it with all that happening, it would not surprise me to see us revamp the MD-90 fleet close after that, providing the economy stays intact. The MD-90s are averaging these days on the 3-4 legs, so for competitive reasons, it would only make sense for us to do so.

I expect the 737(with drop downs) and M90s will end up with AVOD.

AFAIK the M90s are still pre-wired for AVOD. Not sure if they stopped this when they shelved the plans or not.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):

That much has been stated by Ed Bastian. They are in the market for some second hand narrowbodies in the 738/320 range and capacity class. Simply but, although the MD90 is a great airplane, it does not have the legs like the 320 or 738 to do transcons and the like. Let's also remember that with the 757 drawdown, although we have 739s coming online, they need something to fly LatAm and the Caribbean. The 739 isn't exactly capable on the routes due to runway length at some of the stations.

highly likely that Delta is going to end up topping off the 737 order with some 800s and maybe 10 more 700s. I expect it and a widebody order within the next few months.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: nwa757boy
Posted 2013-05-05 18:26:26 and read 11012 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 27):
AFAIK the M90s are still pre-wired for AVOD. Not sure if they stopped this when they shelved the plans or not.

I thought somewhere down the acquisition line, the MD90s had stopped getting pre-wired for the AVOD....I know the seats they are putting in are not set-up for seat-back tvs in the newly acquired/re furbished 90s.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-05-05 18:30:27 and read 10987 times.

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 28):

Could be. I haven't been on many of them.

At one point they were putting in the seat backs for the same monitors as the 767/330/747 fleet. Just putting a plastic cover over the hole. Are they not all like this?

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: nwa757boy
Posted 2013-05-05 18:37:06 and read 10979 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 29):
At one point they were putting in the seat backs for the same monitors as the 767/330/747 fleet. Just putting a plastic cover over the hole. Are they not all like this?



Correct, initially that's how the acquired ones were coming out of refurb as. I have been on a couple that have different seats and no plastic backing for a seat monitor....granted I don't fly that beast much, so what I have seen may of just been a fluke.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: TrijetsRMissed
Posted 2013-05-05 22:08:28 and read 10729 times.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 22):
DL's has purchased older MD-80's and an MD-87 for spares before...it wouldnt surprise me if they bought more.

To date, DL has purchased 25 ex-SK/AA MD-82s, -83s, and -87s. In fact, the entire physical inventory from SK is spoken for by DL.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 27):
M90s will end up with AVOD.

I expect eventual AVOD as well; given the planned longevity of the fleet. Perhaps capex priority was given to the 744 and 763ER first?

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-05-05 22:33:54 and read 10633 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 29):
At one point they were putting in the seat backs for the same monitors as the 767/330/747 fleet. Just putting a plastic cover over the hole. Are they not all like this?

I've only flown on one MD-90, but it had the exact same seats as the MD-88s.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-05-05 22:42:37 and read 10626 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 8):

So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

A330s...

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: nwa757boy
Posted 2013-05-06 10:10:22 and read 10298 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 32):
I've only flown on one MD-90, but it had the exact same seats as the MD-88s.

You were most likely on one of the original 16 MD90 delivered to Delta

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-05-06 10:27:01 and read 10238 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 32):
I've only flown on one MD-90, but it had the exact same seats as the MD-88s.
Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 34):

You were most likely on one of the original 16 MD90 delivered to Delta

They are similar, though not exactly the same. The MD-88 seats were made by Burns Aerospace prior to their merger with B/E Aerospace, while the MD-90 seats are a newer model made after Burns was bought out by B/E.

[Edited 2013-05-06 10:28:06]

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: KingAir200
Posted 2013-05-06 10:55:19 and read 10181 times.

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 30):
Correct, initially that's how the acquired ones were coming out of refurb as. I have been on a couple that have different seats and no plastic backing for a seat monitor....granted I don't fly that beast much, so what I have seen may of just been a fluke.

No more cutouts.

The Sweet 16 are getting the new slim lines as the LED cabin lighting, new cabin laminates, and new carpet is installed. I was on 9210 last week and it was looking pretty nice with the refreshed interior.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: sevenfeet
Posted 2013-05-06 10:55:49 and read 10183 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 35):
You were most likely on one of the original 16 MD90 delivered to Delta

It's interesting that in just a few years, the MD-90 which was mainly a rare odd duck in the Delta fleet, is now a pretty common plane to fly on for mainline domestic travel. I used to take special notice whenever I flew this plane. Now it's so common it's barely worth noticing.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-05-06 12:51:41 and read 10019 times.

Amazing the ex-NW 5600 757 are getting AVOD. I think we all forget how young in 757 years these a/c are. Some were delivered new to NW as late as 2002.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2013-05-06 13:18:15 and read 9859 times.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 31):
To date, DL has purchased 25 ex-SK/AA MD-82s, -83s, and -87s. In fact, the entire physical inventory from SK is spoken for by DL.

I thought so...

Quoting Flighty (Reply 33):
A330s...

   one can only hope...I prefer them over the 767's across the pond!

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-06 13:57:48 and read 9736 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 38):
Amazing the ex-NW 5600 757 are getting AVOD. I think we all forget how young in 757 years these a/c are. Some were delivered new to NW as late as 2002.

That will bring them in line with most of the 75Xs that are also pretty new. Some not so much but most with the 67XX registrations are late builds.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: dlramp4life
Posted 2013-05-06 15:33:41 and read 9578 times.

Which ones of the 5600 fleet are coming up on retirement? I know 5601 went to the desert a couple weeks ago.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: cvg2lga
Posted 2013-05-06 15:39:33 and read 9569 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 8):
So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

The last group of DC9's off the line... lol


Tchau

DA-

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: NWAROOSTER
Posted 2013-05-06 16:30:22 and read 9510 times.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 41):
Which ones of the 5600 fleet are coming up on retirement? I know 5601 went to the desert a couple weeks ago.

Does Delta have an aircraft that has a fleet number starting at 5600? Northwest's newer 757-251s started at 5635 and I do not think any of them are retirement candidates. I question the legitimacy of fleet number 5601. It's older 757s were fleet number 5501 through 5534.   

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: nwa757boy
Posted 2013-05-06 16:54:32 and read 9477 times.

5501 and 5503 are recent additions to the desert. I wonder if it will be permanent or just temporary. I remember the first time I worked ship 5501....it was MCO-MEM-DTW...the Door 4 jumpseat was MEL'd and had to sit in the pax seat in the last row....


ship sesries 5501-5534 is the 8 door layout, no exit windows, the 5635-5657 is the 6 door layout and 4 window exit

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: dlramp4life
Posted 2013-05-06 18:11:13 and read 9333 times.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 43):

My mistake. Thanks for the correction.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-05-06 18:53:52 and read 9330 times.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 43):

Yes and 501 to 534 are OLD! sUA 757s from 1990 look a lot more modern than the NW 1985 builds.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: bigbird
Posted 2013-05-06 20:35:47 and read 9168 times.

I photographed N501US at BFI before delivery. It was during the 50th anniversary of the B-17 celebration..

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-10 19:25:16 and read 8844 times.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 36):
The Sweet 16 are getting the new slim lines as the LED cabin lighting, new cabin laminates, and new carpet is installed. I was on 9210 last week and it was looking pretty nice with the refreshed interior.

9212 is also complete. I must say, with the side-wall and overhead LEDs, the cabin looks much more brighter and inviting. Also love the new darker carper. Seems to be "speckles" of white as well which gives a nice effect. Forward cabin is also finally getting in-seat power. As of the last mods, only the -88s had 110V outlets in the F seats. All MD90s are now getting in seat power with the new cabin refresh.

Big version: Width: 1936 Height: 2592 File size: 2091kb


Big version: Width: 1936 Height: 2592 File size: 1739kb


[Edited 2013-05-10 19:32:59]

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2013-05-10 19:40:32 and read 8713 times.

Nice pics....I now relish all my MD-90 flights...I cant wait till my next one!

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-10 19:45:02 and read 8717 times.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 49):

I think the carpets are being done on overnights at stations with 250 cabin MTC. Most of the 757s I've riden on in the past few weeks have the new carpet (but no side-wall laminates or the new 3D bulkhead).

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: akelley728
Posted 2013-05-14 18:53:46 and read 8195 times.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 36):
The Sweet 16 are getting the new slim lines as the LED cabin lighting, new cabin laminates, and new carpet is installed. I was on 9210 last week and it was looking pretty nice with the refreshed interior.

So once the original 16 have their interiors refreshed, will there be any indication on the inside that it was an original Delta ship vs an acquired one?

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 48):
Forward cabin is also finally getting in-seat power. As of the last mods, only the -88s had 110V outlets in the F seats. All MD90s are now getting in seat power with the new cabin refresh.

It's about time. The MD90s are frequent visitors on my ORF-ATL and ATL-MSY runs and when I get upgraded it is frustrating not to have the in-seat power.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-05-14 19:00:49 and read 8206 times.

As a side question, do the refreshed MD-90s have the illuminated blue Wi-Fi signs like on many of the 757s?

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-14 20:12:07 and read 8035 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 52):

I was on one MSP-ATL yesterday. They do not.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-05-14 20:24:44 and read 7976 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 53):
I was on one MSP-ATL yesterday. They do not.

I'm guessing because there is no room to put them on the PSUs, since there still has to be a No Smoking sign visible whether illuminated or not. The PSUs on the 737s and 757s have plenty of space between the symbols, and thus had room to put a non-illuminated No Smoking sign next to the Wi-Fi sign. IMO DL should have put No Smoking symbols on the tray tables (and on bulkheads).

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: dbo861
Posted 2013-05-14 22:11:01 and read 7842 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 8):

So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

Maybe DL would be interested in second hand 77Ws as airlines start replacing them with the 777X.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: LV
Posted 2013-05-15 00:26:54 and read 7769 times.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 55):
Maybe DL would be interested in second hand 77Ws as airlines start replacing them with the 777X.

I could see DL picking up a handful of them to free up some 763 to develop routes from ATL- South America or SEA/LAX to locations in the Pacific.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-15 04:54:55 and read 7600 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 54):

I don't think that's true (must have no smoking sign). US's 190s only hav no electronics and fasten seat belts.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: floridaflyboy
Posted 2013-05-15 05:50:53 and read 7512 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 57):
I don't think that's true (must have no smoking sign). US's 190s only hav no electronics and fasten seat belts.

They have a no smoking placard on the seat back, much like the CRJ-900s. It doesn't have to be on the PSU, just visible.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-15 07:16:39 and read 7368 times.

Didn't notice or don't remember. Probably the latter.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: indya350fan
Posted 2013-05-15 10:11:36 and read 7170 times.

We have the MD90 service to and from Atlanta from Indianapolis. You can tell the newer additions based on the seats, power supplies in first and economy comfort (not sure in coach, I assume since EC has them), and the carpet. I flew on one with the newer carpet and newer seats 2 months ago. Last month had 1 newer and 1 older. However, next week they are running 757's which I think is due to the races so no 90's for me.

That's one of the things I love about Delta and Indy, is their 80/90 fleet. You can almost always get on the 2 side and not worry about crossing over 2 other seats!

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-15 10:26:32 and read 7105 times.

Quoting indya350fan (Reply 60):
That's one of the things I love about Delta and Indy, is their 80/90 fleet. You can almost always get on the 2 side and not worry about crossing over 2 other seats!

People call me crazy but the 88 was my favorite a/c to fly on from a pax perspective, The 88 over the 90 because F had in-seat powert. That was the only advantage but now they're tied for me. Followed by DL non-AVOD 757s and PMNW 757s.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-05-15 10:30:17 and read 7089 times.

ROC-ATL is going (mostly,excect for some Express) all -90 starting in July.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: indya350fan
Posted 2013-05-15 10:31:35 and read 7098 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 61):

I am in the same boat! I love the 80's and 90's. Up front, it's quiet. Delta staff is pretty impressive. It's our true consistent mainline out of Indy unless we connect through DTW or MSP. I have caught a few of the 737-800's though on substitutions which often makes for fun with seat re-assignment.

I have to say, Delta does an impressive job with their cabin refurbishments.

I was loyal to US Airways until 2 incidents. The fueling hose poured jet fuel on about 10 suitcases, completely saturating them. US Airways said it's not their fault since they contract fueling out. The fueling company blamed US Airways since the contract had a clause that US Air would pay for any baggage damage. I just gave up trying to get through to someone that could help.

Switched over to Delta and have been extremely happy since.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: KGRB
Posted 2013-05-15 11:55:02 and read 6968 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 61):
Followed by DL non-AVOD 757s and PMNW 757s.

Really? You prefer to be on a non-AVOD 757?

Quoting United_fan (Reply 62):
ROC-ATL is going (mostly,excect for some Express) all -90 starting in July.

Delta Express has been gone for some years now. Unless you mean Delta Connection.  
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Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-05-15 12:27:42 and read 6909 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 13):
I was actually thinking some gently used 738's might be on the list if WN doesn't get to them first.

I agree with that. I'm sure MD-90s or 717s 'at the right price,' but that would be it. Probably only if a larger batch were put on the market...

Quoting indya350fan (Reply 63):
I love the 80's and 90's.

I have too many coworkers stuck in the back of the MD-80 who won't book tickets if there is a risk of flying on that type. I'm sure up front is nice. In the back is miserable. I haven't been in the back of a MD-90 yet. I hope to avoid that experience.

Lightsaber

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: indya350fan
Posted 2013-05-15 15:10:08 and read 6733 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 65):

I am fortunate. My status gets me Economy Comfort. One time though, they were sold out so I took a read exit seat. The engine just made it miserable. For sleeping, it was perfect as it blocked out the noise. However, if you're hungover or looking for a view, that's one piece of equipment to ignore.

I think Delta in the used aircraft market will be looking at Emirates 380's in about 10 years. hehe

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-05-15 15:15:41 and read 6718 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 65):
I haven't been in the back of a MD-90 yet. I hope to avoid that experience.

The view may be slightly restricted. But the engines are near silent. It is nothing like a classic DC-9.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: indya350fan
Posted 2013-05-15 15:45:23 and read 6661 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 67):

I would agree nothing like a DC9, but near silent? Not what I experienced, at all. I found it to be very loud and very difficult to have a conversation with the person sitting next to me.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-16 12:01:46 and read 6330 times.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 64):
Really? You prefer to be on a non-AVOD 757?

Yes, for various reasons. The PMDL non-AVOD 757 F seats are wider. Also the cabin itself isn't as cramped as on a 75X (24F vs 26F). Same reasoning for a NW 757 over an AVOD 757.

I HATE the 738s. Too tight for me. Give me a Plain Vanilla 757 or 88/90 any day..

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: flflyer
Posted 2013-05-17 11:50:22 and read 5960 times.

I noticed on Flightaware that two FL planes went to Cecil this week. One 717 and a 737.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: bigbird
Posted 2013-05-17 13:31:31 and read 5859 times.

Has the last JAL MD-90 Come across the big pond to the US as yet? If not, when is it expected?

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-17 13:46:03 and read 5860 times.

Quoting flflyer (Reply 70):
I noticed on Flightaware that two FL planes went to Cecil this week. One 717 and a 737.



I can confirm that one 717 is in for MTC checks and soon the cabin refurb following shortly after (don't know if it's the one you're referring to here).

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: SELMER40
Posted 2013-05-17 14:42:15 and read 5753 times.

Quoting flflyer (Reply 70):
...two FL planes went to Cecil this week...

Flightaware shows Airtran, FedEx and Southwest as well as Delta are regular visitors to Cecil for services.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 71):
Has the last JAL MD-90 Come across...

I have not seen that it has. The last time I looked, just now, the registration had not been activated.

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Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: PGNCS
Posted 2013-05-17 21:38:34 and read 5525 times.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 64):
Really? You prefer to be on a non-AVOD 757?

I don't care hugely either way as I don't use it, but given the choice would rather not have it as a general rule as I don't need the annoyance of people messing with the screen in my headrest the entire flight (assuming I'm in coach.) I have an iPod and know how to read, so it's of little relevance to me.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 69):
Quoting KGRB (Reply 64):Really? You prefer to be on a non-AVOD 757?Yes, for various reasons. The PMDL non-AVOD 757 F seats are wider. Also the cabin itself isn't as cramped as on a 75X (24F vs 26F). Same reasoning for a NW 757 over an AVOD 757.

Hadn't noticed that, but your reasoning makes sense to me.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 61):
Quoting indya350fan (Reply 60):That's one of the things I love about Delta and Indy, is their 80/90 fleet. You can almost always get on the 2 side and not worry about crossing over 2 other seats!People call me crazy but the 88 was my favorite a/c to fly on from a pax perspective, The 88 over the 90 because F had in-seat powert. That was the only advantage but now they're tied for me. Followed by DL non-AVOD 757s and PMNW 757s.

I'm with you on the MD-80/88 FlyASAGuy2005. I would always rather be in the back of that than in the back of any Boeing narrowbody. I especially detest being near the back of a 737 or 757 (especially the 753.) If I have to go in a 3x3 coach configuration I will take an A-320 series any day (yes, preferably without IFE; see above.)

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-05-17 21:45:26 and read 5514 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 67):
the engines are near silent

"Near silent" is perhaps a stretch, but I didn't think that it was any noisier in the rear of the -90 than, say, behind the wing on the 737. That said, I've been fortunate to always sit forward of the wing on the MDs (my one 90 and several 80s) so therefore only notice the noise when I go back to the washroom. The noise on the -80s back there is incredible! Haven't tried a -9, but it must be even worse.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-17 21:53:43 and read 5519 times.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 74):
I'm with you on the MD-80/88 FlyASAGuy2005. I would always rather be in the back of that than in the back of any Boeing narrowbody. I especially detest being near the back of a 737 or 757 (especially the 753.) If I have to go in a 3x3 coach configuration I will take an A-320 series any day (yes, preferably without IFE; see above.)

Ahh, yes. If i'm in coach and its 3x3 then 319 or 320.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 75):
"Near silent" is perhaps a stretch, but I didn't think that it was any noisier in the rear of the -90 than, say, behind the wing on the 737. That said, I've been fortunate to always sit forward of the wing on the MDs (my one 90 and several 80s) so therefore only notice the noise when I go back to the washroom. The noise on the -80s back there is incredible! Haven't tried a -9, but it must be even worse.

Sitting in the rear on a 90 vs 88 is like night and day. Coming from a guy that's had his fair share of "non-rev special" seats on both.

I make it a habit to carry ear plugs with me when I'm flying coach on the 88 on the chance that i'm in the back. Don't have this problem on the 90s.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-05-18 02:12:20 and read 5464 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 50):
I think the carpets are being done on overnights at stations with 250 cabin MTC.

Or 206 in ATL,CVG,SLC,MSP,DTW,JFK,LGA,LAX,SEA,MCO,BOS

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 61):
People call me crazy but the 88 was my favorite a/c to fly on from a pax perspective, The 88 over the 90 because F had in-seat powert. That was the only advantage but now they're tied for me. Followed by DL non-AVOD 757s and PMNW 757s.

Your crazy. 767 all the way bro.  

Having said that, for a shorter flight (florida, DCA, PHF) I love the Mad dog. Longer flights I want AVOD. Wifi doesn't do it for me.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 69):
Yes, for various reasons. The PMDL non-AVOD 757 F seats are wider. Also the cabin itself isn't as cramped as on a 75X (24F vs 26F).

true, but you look at it as cramped, I look at it as two more chances for F.    #nonrevlife

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 72):

I can confirm that one 717 is in for MTC checks and soon the cabin refurb following shortly after (don't know if it's the one you're referring to here).

Question, where are they doing the work? (I know its a WN choice, I'm just curious)
Are they doing HMVs too or just like a C check or PSV?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 75):
Haven't tried a -9, but it must be even worse.

make your ears bleed.
Ok its not "that" bad....but it is friggin loud. IMO take a 88 then times it by 2 and you have a 9 with hush kits.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 76):

Sitting in the rear on a 90 vs 88 is like night and day. Coming from a guy that's had his fair share of "non-rev special" seats on both.

this. I'll take the holding pit of the 90 anyday of the week over an 88, I have heard the BR715s are just like the V2500s.
The non-rev holding pit is better now that the galleys are gone. (the only positive of them pulling the galleys. The 88s shouldn't hold 150 people, and the 90s shouldn't hold 160.      )

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 76):

I make it a habit to carry ear plugs with me when I'm flying coach on the 88 on the chance that i'm in the back. Don't have this problem on the 90s.

Always. When the 732s were running around it was the same thing. I just get a handful for the hangar and keep them in the carry on. That way if i have to re-route I'm good. (heck sometimes I take my head set, that way I can put my earbuds in and then put my headset over top of them)

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: KingAir200
Posted 2013-05-18 07:21:12 and read 5340 times.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 51):
So once the original 16 have their interiors refreshed, will there be any indication on the inside that it was an original Delta ship vs an acquired one?

Acquired 90s don't have the blocked window at around row 12.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 75):
Haven't tried a -9, but it must be even worse.

I spent many a childhood trip back there. The non-rev row, as we'd call it. The worst were -30s with an engine intermix. Because of the thrust rating difference between the two, the engines were never close to being in sync, so you got some annoying sound effects.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: KGRB
Posted 2013-05-18 12:35:47 and read 5179 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 48):
9212 is also complete. I must say, with the side-wall and overhead LEDs, the cabin looks much more brighter and inviting. Also love the new darker carper. Seems to be "speckles" of white as well which gives a nice effect. Forward cabin is also finally getting in-seat power. As of the last mods, only the -88s had 110V outlets in the F seats. All MD90s are now getting in seat power with the new cabin refresh.

Thanks for posting the pics, 'ASA. The new bulkheads and especially the new carpet look marvelous. I thought I heard somewhere that the DL logo was going to be added to the bulkheads too. Do you know if that's still happening? And is the sidewall design staying the same (with the tiny circle pattern) or is that changing too?

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 69):

Yes, for various reasons. The PMDL non-AVOD 757 F seats are wider. Also the cabin itself isn't as cramped as on a 75X (24F vs 26F). Same reasoning for a NW 757 over an AVOD 757.

Fair enough. The window is usually my favorite form of IFE, but I'll take AVOD if I'm in a middle or aisle seat.   Last week I flew a 5600 series 757 from PHX to ATL in the middle seat while my neighbor next to me had the window shade down for the entire 3.5 hours. This was on top of the overhead video malfunctioning. It was a brutal experience.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 77):
Your crazy. 767 all the way bro.  

  

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-05-18 12:55:24 and read 5148 times.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 78):
I spent many a childhood trip back there. The non-rev row, as we'd call it. The worst were -30s with an engine intermix. Because of the thrust rating difference between the two, the engines were never close to being in sync, so you got some annoying sound effects.

Spent many vacations in that row. The noise would throb! It was bad.

Just got a DC9-50 ride last May in 2012. It was still very loud back there.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 75):
"Near silent" is perhaps a stretch,

Yes. But looking at those big V2500 engines right by your ears, the noise is reasonable, and imo quieter than E-jets, 737 or maybe even 777s are behind the wing.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-18 22:34:45 and read 4944 times.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 78):
Acquired 90s don't have the blocked window at around row 12.

     

No PC air hookup on the forward left of the a/c like all of DL's 88s (pain in the but for the ramp crew).

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: WhiteWasp
Posted 2013-05-18 22:50:31 and read 4933 times.

This is awesome news. I'd much rather fly on a MD-88 or 90 / 717 than any other narrow body that Delta has. I would mention the DC-9 series but they are being retired, but those are good too. I'm so happy about this!!

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-05-20 05:56:55 and read 4583 times.

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 44):
5501 and 5503 are recent additions to the desert. I wonder if it will be permanent or just temporary. I remember the first time I worked ship 5501....it was MCO-MEM-DTW...the Door 4 jumpseat was MEL'd and had to sit in the pax seat in the last row....

This was an interesting comment as just yesterday while sorting through a box of memorabilia I found my first 757 workbook for our qualification before we took delivery of the first aircraft. I remember getting on 5501 at DCA and it looked beautiful with carpeted bulkheads with the NW logo on them. With a light load it took off like a rocket. It took us a while to get the service to work right because the lavs were all located in the middle of the cabin in YC and if you had a cart in the aisle and someone wanted to use them we had to pull the cart either all the way forward or all the way to the back galley to make room for them. We also served a LOT of hot meals back then...but that was 1985.

I have a bunch of good stuff I should give to the Delta Museum in ATL. They incorporated all of the NWA artifacts there after the merger. If you ever have the time a visit to the museum at the DL General Office complex off Virginia Avenue is time well spent. It is a VERY secure complex but the guards give you a special pass to visit the museum.

I wonder if they would want my butt-ugly old burgundy uniform?

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-05-20 06:18:08 and read 4547 times.

So who still has some MD90's out there for DL to scarf up? I think there are a few in Taiwan and some in China. And, of course, the Saudi aircraft. Does SAS still have a few?

Anyone know of any others? I agree--if some 738's were available at a reasonable price DL would like them but they are in high demand and I would think that they would command top dollar. One person on here mentioned buying new -700's but IMHO I don't see a need for them and their performance unless DL expands rapidly into the Caribbean.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-05-20 06:39:25 and read 4523 times.

I bet DL wishes they could go back in time and buy the Air Aruba MD90's that were scrapped due to lack of interest.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-20 09:02:36 and read 4369 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 83):
I wonder if they would want my butt-ugly old burgundy uniform?

Yes, they will! They seem to take a keen interest on NW memorabilia.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: TrijetsRMissed
Posted 2013-05-20 17:08:18 and read 4134 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 84):

So who still has some MD90's out there for DL to scarf up?

BR and B7 are the most viable and DL will likely announce their acquisition in the coming year. It is also likely that these aircraft will receive the flightdeck mod prior to EIS with DL.

Another possibility are the ex-Saudi frames, which are now owned by AerSale. Currently, 18 have crossed the pond and are in varying stages of overhaul at ROW. Another 10 are expected to be delivered to ROW.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 85):
I bet DL wishes they could go back in time and buy the Air Aruba MD90's that were scrapped due to lack of interest.

   No question, if the current regime were in charge back then.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 78):
The worst were -30s with an engine intermix.

Ironicially, from the exterior, the -50 was recognized as the louder variant by airlines that operated both types. It was contributing factor in the lack of follow-up -50 orders. In particular, these findings were reported by AY and OS, during MDC's development of the Super 80.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: NWAROOSTER
Posted 2013-05-20 17:45:36 and read 4073 times.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 87):
Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 78):
The worst were -30s with an engine intermix.

Ironicially, from the exterior, the -50 was recognized as the louder variant by airlines that operated both types. It was contributing factor in the lack of follow-up -50 orders. In particular, these findings were reported by AY and OS, during MDC's development of the Super 80.

If I am correct, the DC-9-50 was supposed to be delivered with the Pratt & Whitney JT9D-200 engine but was not ready at the start of deliveries. I think the DC-9-50 were delivered with the JT9D-17 engine and that engine was and still is under powered for the DC-9-50. That most likely helped limit it's sales as it had limited performance.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 87):
Another possibility are the ex-Saudi frames, which are now owned by AerSale. Currently, 18 have crossed the pond and are in varying stages of overhaul at ROW. Another 10 are expected to be delivered to ROW.

I don't think Delta would buy the Saudi MD-90s as they have the glass cockpit similar to the MD-11s that Saudi had. Unless they are standardized to the those similar to what Delta is now flying they would be considered a different type and the pilots would need to be separately qualified on them. It may be too expensive to do that and separate parts would be need to keep them airworthy.   

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: dtw9
Posted 2013-05-20 17:46:46 and read 4071 times.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 87):
BR and B7 are the most viable and DL will likely announce their acquisition in the coming year. It is also likely that these aircraft will receive the flightdeck mod prior to EIS with DL.

Delta ordered 200 flight deck mods which will include modifying the simulators. There are 5 full flight MD80/90 simulators and three training devices. Add these to the 182 MD-80/90's in the fleet and that leaves 10 unaccounted for. So I think it's a given that the EVA/UNI birds will join the fleet

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: n7371f
Posted 2013-05-20 18:17:42 and read 4004 times.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 79):
I thought I heard somewhere that the DL logo was going to be added to the bulkheads too.

The pics I've seen show that on the solid bulkhead dividing first and coach with the letter and logo facing the forward side of the bulkhead. Of course Delta is going away from solid bulkheads wherever it can - MD fleet, 319/320 and most recently the 737-700 and no idea how that's going to work, if at all.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 69):
Yes, for various reasons. The PMDL non-AVOD 757 F seats are wider. Also the cabin itself isn't as cramped as on a 75X (24F vs 26F). Same reasoning for a NW 757 over an AVOD 757.

For me the seats may be wider but not as comfortable as the newer Weber first class seats on the 738 and 757 fleet. But I get you - they are wider and there seems to be more personal space (more legroom). Funny thing is -- those seats on the standard 757 fleet are the original delivery seats -- they're old!

And while I always detested Northwest's Recaro first class seats for the tray table stowed into your lower back issue, I always found the seats comfortable with plenty of room, especially with the old cloth.

I'm still seeking an answer from someone in DTOPS as to why the NW 75N's were given pretty significant interior overhauls while the Airbus narrowbody fleet hasn't been touched.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-05-20 18:28:14 and read 3990 times.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 90):
For me the seats may be wider but not as comfortable as the newer Weber first class seats on the 738 and 757 fleet. But I get you - they are wider and there seems to be more personal space (more legroom). Funny thing is -- those seats on the standard 757 fleet are the original delivery seats -- they're old!

Very! They've went through a lot of "re-covering".


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Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-05-20 18:41:31 and read 3953 times.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 90):
I'm still seeking an answer from someone in DTOPS as to why the NW 75N's were given pretty significant interior overhauls while the Airbus narrowbody fleet hasn't been touched.

The 75Ns were in such horrendous shape that DL really needed to update them badly. The A32x fleet wasn't in such bad shape compared to the 75Ns.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: n7371f
Posted 2013-05-20 19:03:52 and read 3897 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 92):
The 75Ns were in such horrendous shape that DL really needed to update them badly. The A32x fleet wasn't in such bad shape compared to the 75Ns.

Not sure I totally agree with you. Some of the 75N's were ratty-looking, a result of Steenland basically zeroing out the budget for aircraft cleaning and such during bankruptcy.

But the Airbus narrowbody fleet is really looking long in the teeth nowadays. While I miss the NWA days, the basic NW interior with the light brown does not look good with Delta and the color palate now feels outdated anyway.

Topic: Delta MD90 N950DN Enroute To VQQ For Mods
Username: TrijetsRMissed
Posted 2013-05-21 12:59:06 and read 3580 times.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 88):
If I am correct, the DC-9-50 was supposed to be delivered with the Pratt & Whitney JT9D-200 engine but was not ready at the start of deliveries.

I'm not aware of that, NWAROOSTER.

The D95 was launched in 1973 with the first flight a year later. Given that, I don't think plans for the -200 would have been realistic. Although, during the S80 R&D phase, MDC looked at re-engining D95s with the -200s. At that time it was determined the -200s imposed weight and balance issues on the D95 frame - helping shape what became the S80 dimensions.

Later, RR Tay 670s were also considered for re-engining the D95s; but the agreement never materialized.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 88):
I don't think Delta would buy the Saudi MD-90s as they have the glass cockpit similar to the MD-11s that Saudi had.

This is a lot less of a concern, now with the flight-deck upgrade announcement. DL would simply have these aircraft modded prior to EIS.

A lot of rumor and speculation has been made on the condition of the ex-SV aircraft. A reliable source with visibility into the fleet, confirms that 16 aircraft are "in very good condition." Reportedly, the other 12 are due for a HMV.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 89):
So I think it's a given that the EVA/UNI birds will join the fleet

Agreed.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 93):
But the Airbus narrowbody fleet is really looking long in the teeth nowadays.

And indeed they are. Expect much of the A320 fleet to be retired in the coming years.


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