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Topic: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-05-21 03:19:55 and read 15974 times.

The new Pilatus aircraft PC-24 is revealed. It will be a two engine jet which is able to land on short and graveled runways. It has a big freight door. 425 kn (787 km/h), 3610 km range, up to 10 passengers.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtscha...Geheimnis-gelueftet/story/10592940

http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/sto...-neue-Schweizer-Super-Jet-16332764

(in German)

[Edited 2013-05-21 03:24:16]

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2013-05-21 03:42:16 and read 15903 times.

Looks great.

Front view here
http://corporatejetinvestor.com/articles/pilatus-launchpc24-127

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-05-21 04:14:15 and read 15749 times.

Wow! Let's hope it will be a success for Pilatus!


David

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: Giancavia
Posted 2013-05-21 04:32:21 and read 15685 times.

Aw man it looks like tonnes of other bizjets, snore. At least they have their unique looking PC12 floating around still.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-05-21 04:41:35 and read 15646 times.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 4):
Aw man it looks like tonnes of other bizjets, snore. At least they have their unique looking PC12 floating around still.

Probably it looks like. But it has capabilities which none of an existing jet has. This is important not the looks!

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: rheinwaldner
Posted 2013-05-21 05:07:21 and read 15531 times.

Nice. Does not look like the Grob G180 SPn (Pilatus was rumoured to have bought its plans):

http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/01-api/00modules/sizecomparator_24/1.0/imgs/pc24.png

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: CrimsonNL
Posted 2013-05-21 05:12:37 and read 15495 times.

That's a classy little jet! The blue livery is stunning! Can't wait to see it in action.  

Martijn

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: DexSwart
Posted 2013-05-21 05:23:16 and read 15437 times.

How many airlines would be interested in this? Realistically speaking, of course, I doubt any airline would really care much. This is defiantly a business jet through and through.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: rfields5421
Posted 2013-05-21 05:23:33 and read 15438 times.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 4):
it looks like tonnes of other bizjets,

Form follows function. There isn't a lot different designers can do to alter a biz-jet form without losing range and fuel efficiency.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-05-21 06:16:25 and read 15219 times.

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 8):
How many airlines would be interested in this? Realistically speaking, of course, I doubt any airline would really care much. This is defiantly a business jet through and through.

With that plane, you could introduce business or even first class to... places like Lukla, Nepal. Big grin


And I'm surprised that this PC-24 does not look like the Grob 180 SPn - and the teaser image (the PC-24's shadow on a gravel strip) showed a really slim aircraft, with the fuselage being as narrow as a single engine.


David

[Edited 2013-05-21 06:17:51]

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-05-21 07:59:45 and read 14917 times.

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 8):
How many airlines would be interested in this? Realistically speaking, of course, I doubt any airline would really care much. This is defiantly a business jet through and through.

That is definitely not a jet for an airline. It is a business jet or work horse. Like the PC-12 it will be for example used in Australia with a lot of short unpaved runways. Perhaps also for the flying doctor service etc.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-05-21 08:09:57 and read 14873 times.

The Pilatus site:

http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/#275

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: goosebayguy
Posted 2013-05-21 08:42:48 and read 14747 times.

Little wonder why Pilatus have been hunting for technical Authors recently.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: usair330
Posted 2013-05-21 08:58:23 and read 14679 times.

Looks like an Embraer. But if it is capable of landing on unpaved runways they may have a successful product.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: tjwgrr
Posted 2013-05-21 10:01:32 and read 14206 times.

The PC-24 looks like it would be a great potential medevac a/c with it's big cabin door....

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: AviationAddict
Posted 2013-05-21 10:51:04 and read 13534 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 11):
Perhaps also for the flying doctor service etc.

I'm sure the medevac industry and related groups were front in center in the minds of everyone at Pilatus when they approved this project. My company has many medevac customers the majority of whom fly to small airports around the world and their favorite chariot seems to be the Lear 35/36 family. Those planes are all pretty long in the tooth now so a new option like the PC-24 which seems to have been designed with this industry in mind might turn out to be a grand slam for Pilatus. I hope it works out for them, I've always been a big fan of the PC-12.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: Dreadnought
Posted 2013-05-21 10:57:25 and read 13452 times.

Quoting ZRH (Thread starter):
The new Pilatus aircraft PC-24 is revealed. It will be a two engine jet which is able to land on short and graveled runways.

Awesome! I basically grew up in Stans, with the Pilatus factory visible out of my bedroom window. Wonderful to see them get into the jet age.

And for those of you who don't realize it, Pilatus is a very small company, for an aircraft manufacturer. This is one hell of an achievement.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: alberchico
Posted 2013-05-21 13:52:39 and read 11549 times.

Quoting usair330 (Reply 14):
Looks like an Embraer. But if it is capable of landing on unpaved runways they may have a successful product.

How much demand is there for a business jet with rough field capability ?

Just found this informative pic:

http://s12.postimg.org/vjympymi5/pc24.jpg

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-05-21 13:57:35 and read 11484 times.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 18):
How much demand is there for a business jet with rough field capability ?

I think a lot from the medivac opportunities alone...and now you can land anywhere that a King Air can...a boon to smugglers everywhere.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: SoJo
Posted 2013-05-21 14:04:46 and read 11390 times.

Quoting ZRH (Thread starter):
The new Pilatus aircraft PC-24 is revealed

I think it looks stunning. That's all I can say. Hope it sells well for Pilatus.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: N821NW
Posted 2013-05-21 15:09:13 and read 10806 times.

   Wow this is a beautiful jet!

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: Mir
Posted 2013-05-21 15:24:04 and read 10681 times.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 18):
How much demand is there for a business jet with rough field capability ?

Probably not that much, but forget about the rough field capability, how about that baggage compartment? 90 cubic feet (the CJ3 has 65 cubic feet, and that's considered pretty good for the size), and it's pressurized and accessible inflight (the CJ3's is neither of those). That would be VERY attractive to me if I were in the market for a light jet.

-Mir

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-05-21 16:26:14 and read 10191 times.

Yeah I could see interest in the military too.

Could be interesting for those (rich few) who want to fly from their ranch without having to cover a long strip of land with asphalt.

I've only flown in PC-6s so far, and only take-offs and climbs 

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: ADent
Posted 2013-05-21 16:27:47 and read 10189 times.

The short field lengths might be more handy.

2,690 ft. takeoff field length (I am guessing ISA @ sea level) and @ 5,000 ft. elevation, ISA+20C airport, it will need only a 4,430-ft. runway.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2013-05-21 17:21:05 and read 9942 times.

I can see some canadian companies, alaskan, and auustralian ones might be interested as those three states/countries have a need for medevac.. In my opinion this plane will be the ATV of planes if it lives up to rough field expectations. Nice plane with good features.

KH

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: a380900
Posted 2013-05-21 17:35:37 and read 10029 times.

I love the PC-12. Harder to see how this one differentiates itself from other twin business jets. It loses the evidently unique pitch of the PC-12: "largest single turboprop by some margin - very sturdy and reliable".

On close examination, it does seem like it has similarities with the PC-12 (cargo door notably, single pilot). In truth, I have no clue as whether it will fill a market niche or not. I'm just excited by the company and by the airplane. It does feel less trendy than the VLJ concept but time will tell. Good luck to the PC-24!  

Oh and we need price information. And contrary to what I read above, it does look like the Grob, doesn't it?

[Edited 2013-05-21 17:38:57]

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: Newark727
Posted 2013-05-21 17:56:26 and read 9862 times.

"Hit them where they ain't," I guess. Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: prebennorholm
Posted 2013-05-21 18:40:35 and read 9774 times.

For those who don't read the German language links so well...

Quoting a380900 (Reply 26):
Oh and we need price information.

Price indication US$8.9 million.

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 15):
The PC-24 looks like it would be a great potential medevac a/c with it's big cabin door....

They specificly mention that - in addition to VIP configuration or up to 10 seat commuter configuration.

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 16):
I'm sure the medevac industry and related groups were front in center in the minds of everyone at Pilatus when they approved this project.

  

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):
And for those of you who don't realize it, Pilatus is a very small company, for an aircraft manufacturer.

Yes, it's a small company. But maybe not as small as many a.netters imagine. After all they have delivered well over a thousand PC-12's since 1992. And I have no idea how many PC-6, -7, -9 and -21.

Planned PC-24 EIS is 2017.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-05-21 19:23:36 and read 9431 times.

Freeport McMorran and other mining companies that operate in the inhospitable heart of PNG and West Papua must be potential customers because of the rough field capability. They need to get staff in and out regularly where existing infrastructure is less than superb.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-05-21 19:24:30 and read 9418 times.

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 27):
"Hit them where they ain't," I guess. Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

That seems to be their game with all of their products. They don't really have much direct competition...the -24 have enough unique features that it should be able to differentiate itself in the market.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-05-21 19:42:03 and read 9293 times.

Given Pilatus' ability to recognise and exploit a market niche not currently filled, do they have the capability to develop a 20-seater twin-turboprop? The Beech 1900, EMB Brasilia, BAe31 etc fleets around the world need replacing.

Sorry to digress. Great looking jet.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: BMI727
Posted 2013-05-21 20:06:14 and read 9137 times.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 18):
How much demand is there for a business jet with rough field capability ?

Not a ton, but let's face it: smallish business jets are pretty much interchangeable. Anything that will make them stand out for some customers who might also be looking at Citations, HondaJets, or Phenoms will help in a crowded market.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: rheinwaldner
Posted 2013-05-21 21:29:56 and read 8711 times.

Quoting a380900 (Reply 26):
And contrary to what I read above, it does look like the Grob, doesn't it?

At a first sight in some parts maybe, but:
- The tail is completely different (T not +)
- The door is much higher
- The main gear has four wheels
- Different dimensions (PC24 is 2m longer and 2m more span)

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2013-05-21 21:39:08 and read 8678 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 31):
Given Pilatus' ability to recognise and exploit a market niche not currently filled, do they have the capability to develop a 20-seater twin-turboprop? The Beech 1900, EMB Brasilia, BAe31 etc fleets around the world need replacing.

Evektor EV-55 and Tecnam Traveller will take care of that market niche.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: JoKeR
Posted 2013-05-22 00:45:36 and read 7768 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 34):
Evektor EV-55 and Tecnam Traveller will take care of that market niche.

None are capable of 20 pax - Evektor 14 at best, Traveller 10.

Back to the original topic, this is one nice looking aircraft. Wish Pilatus success with this bird!

I guess a stretch of this model is possible in the future?

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: foxxray
Posted 2013-05-22 01:18:23 and read 7575 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 34):
Evektor EV-55 and Tecnam Traveller will take care of that market niche.

Not really, both aircrafts are much smaller than those mentionned above.

The P2012 (Tecnam Traveller) is a twin piston. MTOW should be around 3290 kg with a maximum of 10 passengers.
I don't call it a Brasilia (mtow 11500 kg, 30 passengers) or even a 1900D (mtow 7764 kg, 19 passengers) substitute...

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: macsog6
Posted 2013-05-22 01:22:54 and read 7577 times.

The PC-24 seems to be aimed at Beech's King Air market in that they are highlighting the rough field capability. Time will tell if this is a market that Pilatus can penetrate over their sometime "partner" Beech.

But given that Beech is dropping the jet line completely due to poor sales, that Cessna, Falcon and others are suffering from poor jet sales, and the market may soon be awash with former regional jet conversions, were I on the board at Pilatus, I would question this move quite critically before saying I thought it was a good idea.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2013-05-22 04:39:21 and read 6914 times.

This would be exceedingly atractive to me if I had been the floridian who won the powerball.....I love the fact that I can land this in Amazonian Jungle or African Savannah Strips. It fits well into my ideal life scenario... 

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-05-22 05:37:31 and read 6825 times.

Quoting ZRH (Thread starter):
The new Pilatus aircraft PC-24 is revealed. It will be a two engine jet which is able to land on short and graveled runways. It has a big freight door. 425 kn (787 km/h), 3610 km range, up to 10 passengers.

Looks like a Phenom 300 without winglets. I wish them luck but the biz jet market is oversaturated right now, especially on the small to mid end - sales are slow again. Cessna has temporarilly stopped its CJ line production, many small biz jet companies have failed or temporarilly put their planes on hold - remember Diamond, Cirrus, Epic were all making jets that have gotten canceled. Honda still hasn't put their jet into production - even though its been showing up at NBAAs since 2005, many others have failed Adam, Eclipse (although recently being rebuilt again). Time will tell if there is room for yet one more.

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 36):
The PC-24 seems to be aimed at Beech's King Air market in that they are highlighting the rough field capability. Time will tell if this is a market that Pilatus can penetrate over their sometime "partner" Beech.

That is what might give them the edge over their competition. The Pilatus PC-12 is a great plane, there are a ton of them that come to my home GA airport. I am not sure if you seen the new Beech single engine design but it looks a lot like the PC-12.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: Hypoxik
Posted 2013-05-22 06:57:05 and read 6703 times.

Dont forget fuel burn and cost to operate.

This is why the T Prop is still so popular.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-05-22 07:35:25 and read 6639 times.

Pilatus are taking a risk but I'm sure they're not betting the company on it, they have successful products already, unlike many recent entrants in the small jet market that had nothing else to live off.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-05-22 08:34:20 and read 6532 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 40):

Yes, selling the PC-21 and PC-9 gave them a lot of cash in the recent years. Developing the PC-24 will cost 500 million CHF, or about 512 million US$.

I'd say they are not betting the company on it.


David

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: PC12Fan
Posted 2013-05-22 09:39:03 and read 6441 times.

Been hearing that the PC-24 would look like, if not take over the Grob design. Obviously this is not the case. Can't wait to see more info on this bird. Makes me think I might have to change my user name!!   

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: queb
Posted 2013-05-22 10:53:15 and read 6330 times.

1:1 mock-up



https://twitter.com/AINonline/status/337199919632896000/photo/1

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-05-22 11:30:13 and read 6275 times.

I don't think it will fly faster than a 320 - but why does the PC-24 have such a pointed nose, despite having relatively Citation-I-like wings?


David

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-05-22 15:45:58 and read 6033 times.

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 27):
Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 15):
The PC-24 looks like it would be a great potential medevac a/c with it's big cabin door....

They specificly mention that - in addition to VIP configuration or up to 10 seat commuter configuration.
Quoting alberchico (Reply 17):
How much demand is there for a business jet with rough field capability ?

I can see it being popular in Canada where there are dozens of airports in remote areas with gravel runways. There are currently 90 PC-12s registered in Canada, often used in the air ambulance role. The higher speed of the PC-24 could mean the difference between life and death in some cases considering the long distances often involved. The Ontario air ambulance service (operated by Ornge Air) currently has 10 PC-12s.


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Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: A380900
Posted 2013-05-22 16:03:46 and read 6002 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 37):
It fits well into my ideal life scenario...

Funny: I do have a Pilatus in my ideal life scenario. It used to be a PC-12. Maybe it will be a PC-24 in the future. I'd like to fly them from Switzerland too!  
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 41):
Yes, selling the PC-21 and PC-9 gave them a lot of cash in the recent years. Developing the PC-24 will cost 500 million CHF, or about 512 million US$.I'd say they are not betting the company on it.

This sounds like very little. It looks like they're running a tight ship over there in Stans... More power to them!

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-05-22 19:57:59 and read 5770 times.

Quoting A380900 (Reply 46):

Funny: I do have a Pilatus in my ideal life scenario. It used to be a PC-12. Maybe it will be a PC-24 in the future. I'd like to fly them from Switzerland too!

I'll still get the PC-12 when my lottery ticket scores.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-05-22 23:05:51 and read 5668 times.

Quoting A380900 (Reply 46):
This sounds like very little. It looks like they're running a tight ship over there in Stans... More power to them!

That's the quote - they're even estimating a lower sum, 400 million.

Von wegen Kosten. Auf welchen Endbetrag wird sich die Entwicklung am Schluss belaufen?
Wir rechnen mit 400 bis 500 Millionen Franken. Wenn Sie wissen wollen, ob das in der Branche normal ist, dann kann ich Ihnen jetzt schon sagen: Dieses Geheimnis gibt niemand preis.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtscha...n-Bundesrat-gedacht/story/30124696


David

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: mrocktor
Posted 2013-05-23 14:22:25 and read 5283 times.

Having worked on this bird's main competitor from start to finish, I can say that every single "differentiating characteristic" being touted here was looked at and considered not to be worth the tradeoff (rough field capability, cabin size, big door). Guess we will find out if the marketing guys down in Brazil knew what the heck they were talking about  

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-05-23 14:42:06 and read 5238 times.

Quoting mrocktor (Reply 49):

Different features for different planes gives the customer choices. Let the market decide.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: N766UA
Posted 2013-05-23 14:55:50 and read 5196 times.

It definitely looks very familiar, somewhere between a Phenom and a G159 or something… but those are some pretty impressive specs. It's a sport utility jet!

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-05-23 15:23:37 and read 5169 times.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 51):

SUJ...nice.

Topic: RE: PC-24, New Pilatus Aircraft
Username: william
Posted 2013-05-23 17:13:31 and read 5107 times.

PC12s are an expensive proposition with commuter airlines, I gather this jet will be more so.


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