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Topic: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: GLAGAZ
Posted 2013-05-24 06:00:51 and read 13181 times.

Looks to be diverting to STN.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2013-05-24 06:08:52 and read 13136 times.

Being escorted by fighter jets....

http://news.sky.com/story/1095214/fi...orting-passenger-plane-to-stansted

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2013-05-24 06:14:40 and read 13076 times.

Appears to be taxiing to North side of airfield, doesn't appear to be technical.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: btblue
Posted 2013-05-24 06:14:41 and read 13082 times.

Landed STN a few seconds ago.

Ongoing event.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2013-05-24 06:14:56 and read 13083 times.

Seems to be tracking towards London?

PIA709 squawk 7700 General Emergency.

Hyjacking is a 7500 code so assume this is lost coms / general emergency

http://fr24.com/PIA709

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-05-24 06:15:05 and read 13084 times.

On BBC News, too, including a nice FR24 image.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: GLAGAZ
Posted 2013-05-24 06:20:10 and read 12895 times.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 4):
Hyjacking is a 7500 code so assume this is lost coms / general emergency

I assume its an error on the crews part. The fact its gone to STN in particular with the escort is not too good a sign. No reason why it couldn't have gone to MAN with a comm failure.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-05-24 06:21:59 and read 12899 times.

Supposedly an "incident on board" (disturbance?) according to the MOD per the BBC.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2013-05-24 06:25:23 and read 12733 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
Supposedly an "incident on board" (disturbance?) according to the MOD per the BBC.

From the BBC

Quoting BBC:

RAF Typhoon jets have been launched to investigate an incident involving a civilian aircraft within UK airspace, the Ministry of Defence has said.

A Pakistan International Airlines plane has been diverted from Manchester to Stansted Airport, a Manchester Airport spokesman said.

An Essex Police spokeswoman added: "An incident has occurred on an aircraft. Police and partners are responding."

The BBC understands that the plane left Lahore at 09:35 local time.

It was due in at Manchester at 1400 BST.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22658979

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2013-05-24 06:25:48 and read 12737 times.

Last track on a/c was parked at an isolated stand on North side of airport.

What is the procedure for a complete comms failure (extremely unlikely, I know)? Do they divert to nearest suitable airfield and assume ATC will sort everthing? In this case, would the crew have known that STN was the designated diversion airfield for emergencies - where QRA is involved at least?

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: btblue
Posted 2013-05-24 06:27:21 and read 12672 times.

BBC quoted as saying a disturbance on board. Significant in that the aircraft was flown south to STN rather than continuing to MAN.

Noted that it is closer to the capital - possibly easier for london based security personnel to manage the situation.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-05-24 06:29:47 and read 12633 times.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 8):

From the BBC

I was quoting from BBC News live on channel 80.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: blooBirdie
Posted 2013-05-24 06:35:05 and read 12519 times.

Quoting btblue (Reply 12):
Significant in that the aircraft was flown south to STN rather than continuing to MAN.

STN is the designated diversion airport for "events" in UK airspace.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2013-05-24 06:43:27 and read 12397 times.

Latest from BBC:

Aircraft was 10 minutes from landing. Essex police indicate an incident on board.

PIA released a statement to the effect that MAN had received a call regarding the flight and had initiated the diversion procedures in co-operation with authorities.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: malioil
Posted 2013-05-24 06:45:54 and read 12377 times.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 10):

In the case of communication failure the aircraft would squawk 7600.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-05-24 06:49:20 and read 12341 times.

Right, as per Sky news it was near York from York to MAN for 77W is I am sure not more than 20-30mins? Then why they went all the way to STN?? baffling.

Very interesting day in the UK regarding Aviation !

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: planesarecool
Posted 2013-05-24 07:02:36 and read 12200 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 17):
Right, as per Sky news it was near York from York to MAN for 77W is I am sure not more than 20-30mins? Then why they went all the way to STN??

Because:

Quoting blooBirdie (Reply 14):
STN is the designated diversion airport for "events" in UK airspace.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: baw787
Posted 2013-05-24 07:17:44 and read 12084 times.

They are saying, two people have been arrested.

A Pakistan International Airlines spokesman Zufiqar Bijarani told CNN: "We have been told there may have been a bomb threat." But he did not say if he had anything to confirm or deny this.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: liquidair
Posted 2013-05-24 08:27:44 and read 11648 times.

Bomb disposal vehicle has arrived on scene.

May only be precautionary.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: PRFlyer
Posted 2013-05-24 10:00:23 and read 10544 times.

AVHerald reporting 2 passengers repeatedly trying to get in to the cockpit.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=462c0ad4&opt=512

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: bueb0g
Posted 2013-05-24 10:05:42 and read 10455 times.

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 6):
I assume its an error on the crews part. The fact its gone to STN in particular with the escort is not too good a sign. No reason why it couldn't have gone to MAN with a comm failure.

Not an error. They had pax trying to get into the cockpit, but they weren't hijacked, so 7700 seems a perfectly reasonable squawk.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: speedbird11
Posted 2013-05-24 10:14:31 and read 10289 times.

Per The Aviator 380 "Right, as per Sky news it was near York from York to MAN for 77W is I am sure not more than 20-30mins? Then why they went all the way to STN?? baffling. "

Not baffling at all..... Stansted is the designated airport for all suspected terrorist events in UK Airspace, hence the diversion. Aircraft park on the remote North Stand away from buildings and the media for isolation purposes. We all remember the events of the Ariana Afghan 727 hijacking!!¬

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: GLAGAZ
Posted 2013-05-24 10:19:27 and read 10214 times.

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 20):
Not an error. They had pax trying to get into the cockpit, but they weren't hijacked, so 7700 seems a perfectly reasonable squawk.

It was a potential hijack situation. Hence the diversion to Stansted and not just continuing to MAN. 7500 would have been more appropriate.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: cubastar
Posted 2013-05-24 13:41:57 and read 7807 times.

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 22):
They had pax trying to get into the cockpit, but they weren't hijacked, so 7700 seems a perfectly reasonable squawk.

Agreed.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 4):
Hyjacking is a 7500 code so assume this is lost coms

I believe Lost Com is 7600.

Perhaps ATC requested it to squawk 7700. Something to do with the fighter escorts or military.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: okobjorn
Posted 2013-05-24 14:50:48 and read 7083 times.

"Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 4):
Hyjacking is a 7500 code so assume this is lost coms

I believe Lost Com is 7600."

Someone in here learned me that:
75 - Man with knife (Hijacking)
76 - Something needs a fix (Mechanical)
77 - Someone going to heaven (Medical)

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-05-24 22:59:14 and read 5133 times.

So what happened? In case of BA762 we have already a lot of information but not for this flight. Some passengers are being quoted that the crew overreacted. Any news?

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: 747-600X
Posted 2013-05-25 04:30:55 and read 3574 times.

Globally, 7500 is the code for hijacking, 7600 is the code for lost two-way radio communication (obviously not loss of all communication), and 7700 is the code for emergency.

In the U.S., a flight with lost communications would continue on its most recent ATC clearance if in IMC, and if no clearance was received, on its planned route of flight. If in VFR conditions, it would land at the nearest practical airport. Not sure how that works in the UK, but either way, it doesn't seem to apply here.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: david_itl
Posted 2013-05-26 02:10:02 and read 2461 times.

2 males now charged with endangering an aircraft.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: Blueshamu330s
Posted 2013-05-26 07:55:45 and read 2229 times.

The ammount of disinformation and supposition made to sound like fact on here is the only thing which is "baffling."

People need to read up on UK Air Law and procedures before speculating or analysing the correct procedure which was adopted yesterday.

By all accounts, this was a job well done, to the book.

Rgds

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2013-05-27 06:33:10 and read 1958 times.

According to the BBC they allegedly threatened that "crew and passengers would be killed and the aircraft blown up before landing".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22680992

They both pled not guilty. Will be interesting to see what comes of this...

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2013-05-27 09:39:04 and read 1856 times.

Per MSN.com, the pair are being held without access to bail. That suggests that there is a very serious reason to believe that they were interfering or going to do so with the flight and possibly were trying to cause an act of terror.

I wonder if as the one guy being held was seeking some kind of revenge on the Pakistani government and the UK's as well, as he was returning from the funeral of his mother (per the linked news story), I wonder ?

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-05-27 10:50:27 and read 1818 times.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 30):
Per MSN.com, the pair are being held without access to bail. That suggests that there is a very serious reason to believe that they were interfering or going to do so with the flight and possibly were trying to cause an act of terror.

No they are remanded into protective custody pending magistrate court hearings and probable trial date settings because it's considered they may : -

A - Abscond

B- Be a risk to themselves and others

C- Be at risk of being attacked by others.

Topic: RE: PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2013-05-27 15:15:40 and read 1662 times.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 30):
Per MSN.com, the pair are being held without access to bail. That suggests that there is a very serious reason to believe that they were interfering or going to do so with the flight and possibly were trying to cause an act of terror.
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 31):
No they are remanded into protective custody pending magistrate court hearings and probable trial date settings because it's considered they may : -

Same thing, just different phraseology. I was slightly surprised they weren't granted bail, but that does indicate this was more than just an angry/drunk passenger.


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