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Topic: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: sovietjet
Posted 2013-05-26 11:18:40 and read 8724 times.

I took a pic of a UA RJ this week still in battleship gray scheme. It got me thinking, it has been 9 years since the new UA livery was introduced and 2 years since the Continental merger. How many and which aircraft are still in battleship gray colors? Is there a way to find this out? Is there anything besides CRJ left in the old old colors?

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: United1
Posted 2013-05-26 11:23:44 and read 8714 times.

No mainline aircraft are left in battleship grey....there are a few RJs and EMB-120s that are still in those colors. Probably not more than a handful....

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-05-26 11:27:32 and read 8681 times.

United Fleet Upgrade Status 16 (by iowaman May 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)
There are only about 25 mainline planes left to be painted, all in the UA shades of blue, and a little over 150 express planes it looks like. The battleship grey has been gone from the mainline fleet for about a year(?) now.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: ORDTLV2414
Posted 2013-05-26 11:29:21 and read 8658 times.

I still see alot with the Tulip scheme.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: winstonlegthigh
Posted 2013-05-26 22:09:04 and read 7604 times.

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 3):
I still see alot with the Tulip scheme.

I like the post-merger livery, but I think it's unfortunate that they let the Rising Blue scheme go. I was sitting in traffic on Mannheim Road near ORD not too long ago and had a UA 744 in the Tulip scheme fly overhead. It's a looker.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2013-05-27 03:11:44 and read 7263 times.

The main problem is that many of these airplanes were freshly painted for the then "Current" scheme, only to have found out within days or weeks that a new scheme is here.

For example, one plane I know went to the paint shop for a fresh repaint, and rolled out of the hangar just 2 days before the "Blue scheme" announcement, and again, brand new airplanes rolling out of the factory with the "Blue scheme" just days prior to the merger/CO scheme announcement.

UA will obviously never tell ANYONE about these changes to protect its interests, but Come on, they could've at least told people to hold off on repainting airplanes for a few more weeks!

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: wjv04
Posted 2013-05-27 04:07:31 and read 7119 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
UA will obviously never tell ANYONE about these changes to protect its interests, but Come on, they could've at least told people to hold off on repainting airplanes for a few more weeks!

Well typically aircraft repaints are done during heavy maintance checks that require a repaint anyways. So for marketing purposes, you think its realistic to hold off maintaince and keep a plane out of service for a few weeks while head office decides what livery is best?   Hope you enjoy cancelled flights if that is the case.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2013-05-27 04:29:50 and read 7055 times.

Quoting wjv04 (Reply 6):
Well typically aircraft repaints are done during heavy maintance checks that require a repaint anyways. So for marketing purposes, you think its realistic to hold off maintaince and keep a plane out of service for a few weeks while head office decides what livery is best?

You're right. but that's a different scenario. You have to paint/touch up a plane after MX to keep up appearances. These particular planes, though, were not scheduled for a heavy check at all. They were going to the paint shop because the paint was several years old.

[Edited 2013-05-27 04:40:18]

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: klwright69
Posted 2013-05-27 05:27:25 and read 6923 times.

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 4):
I like the post-merger livery, but I think it's unfortunate that they let the Rising Blue scheme go. I was sitting in traffic on Mannheim Road near ORD not too long ago and had a UA 744 in the Tulip scheme fly overhead. It's a looker.

Must have been from HKG correct? And now that's a 777, I think there are no more 747's at ORD.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: carpethead
Posted 2013-05-27 05:40:38 and read 6881 times.

Quoting wjv04 (Reply 6):
Well typically aircraft repaints are done during heavy maintance checks that require a repaint anyways

If that's the case, does that mean that particular RJ hasn't seen a major overhaul in nine years. I'd be kind of weary of flying on that frame.  
It's kind of like the one Dash-8 still in the really old Japan Air Commuter paint scheme.
Just curious on why the re-paint to a new scheme was never performed over that long span.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: cosyr
Posted 2013-05-27 08:28:04 and read 5171 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
You have to paint/touch up a plane after MX to keep up appearances. These particular planes, though, were not scheduled for a heavy check at all.

I have always wondered how UA slipped so many Grey planes through C and D. Don't they have to do C checks roughly every 4 years? So it's odd that in almost 9 years some of them have not gone through one.

It reminds me of a joke from Friends:
Chandler: "Joey, what did you get Angela D'Elvechio for her birthday when you were dating?"
Joey: "She never had a birthday well we were together."
Chandler: "For 3 years?!"

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: sovietjet
Posted 2013-05-27 08:34:27 and read 5074 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):

Thanks for the link. However it doesn't specify which ones still have the battleship colors. Either way I am guessing that RJ I saw is pretty rare in those colors now...

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2013-05-27 08:39:00 and read 5003 times.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 10):
I have always wondered how UA slipped so many Grey planes through C and D. Don't they have to do C checks roughly every 4 years? So it's odd that in almost 9 years some of them have not gone through one.

The planes will never skip a check, it's just that they may or may not get painted depending the work that needs to be done. If there's sheet metal work that has to be done, like replacing a skin panel that had previously been damaged, they aren't going to repaint the entire airplane if it doesn't need it, but they WILL paint the the replaced skin section to match the livery currently on that bird.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: winstonlegthigh
Posted 2013-05-27 09:03:39 and read 4692 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
And now that's a 777, I think there are no more 747's at ORD.

Yeah, it was just before they pulled all of them (744s) out of here. I wasn't aware at the time that it was a sight that wouldn't be seen too often in these parts going forward.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: cosyr
Posted 2013-05-27 10:42:36 and read 3577 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):

i get that reasoning, but no one forced United to change from Grey to Rising Blue, they did it by choice. You can then either choose to repaint when your in the shop, the plane is out of service anyway, and you have the slightest excuse, or you can wIt and eventually have to pull it out of service specifically for painting later. Tilton was such a joke of a CEO. He was just sitting on it trying to merge since he got there. He never expected to finish painting into blue, because he knew it would eventually be a new airline. People give Smisek a hard time (and I hope he moves on after the merger is complete) but at least he actually seems interested in running and investing in the airline.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: mcdu
Posted 2013-05-27 10:45:07 and read 3553 times.

UAX paints their planes the same way they deliver their service: Late and poorly executed.

I was on a EMB120 a few weeks ago that looked like it was a flying time capsule from 1987. Of course I had plenty of time to stare at it out the window as we waited 2 hours for maintenance delay. My own experience is that the other major carriers have much better express feed than UAX.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: warden145
Posted 2013-05-27 12:41:40 and read 2873 times.

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 11):
Either way I am guessing that RJ I saw is pretty rare in those colors now...

Maybe it's different at other airports, but I find it to not be rare at all to see CRJ's or EMB-120's on the battleship gray livery at SFO. More planes than not have been repainted, but the battleship livery's still common enough to not be noteworthy.

I know I'm in the minority, but I always preferred the battleship livery over the "shades of blue" livery...

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: adxmatt
Posted 2013-05-27 13:30:13 and read 2771 times.

This is an excellent source to find out whatever you want to know about a United or UAX fleet including paint scheme.

It also tells you if the plane has WiFi, new seats, new bins, Live TV, etc.

https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/mainline-fleet-tracking

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: United1
Posted 2013-05-27 14:01:26 and read 2695 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
brand new airplanes rolling out of the factory with the "Blue scheme" just days prior to the merger/CO scheme announcement.

What new aircraft would that be? Prior to the merger UA hadn't taken delivery of a new airplane since 2002....

Quoting warden145 (Reply 17):
I know I'm in the minority, but I always preferred the battleship livery over the "shades of blue" livery...

Battleship looked great when it was new....the issue is that it faded very easily.

Per the fleet web site...

Battleship:
10 EMB-120
1 EMB-145
4 CRJ-700

I think there are a few CRJ-200s that are still in Batteship but the site doesn't list them.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2013-05-27 14:04:58 and read 2683 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 19):
What new aircraft would that be? Prior to the merger UA hadn't taken delivery of a new airplane since 2002....

They weren't mainline.

Topic: RE: How Many UA Aircraft Still Have Battleship Gray?
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2013-05-27 19:55:10 and read 2361 times.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 15):
Quoting mcdu (Reply 15):

UAX paints their planes the same way they deliver their service: Late and poorly executed.

Which means that based on numbers, mainline is later and even more poorly executed. Sad, but true.


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