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Topic: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-05-30 04:39:49 and read 16124 times.

American will finally launch MIA-MXP starting on November 21! The new route will operate daily utilizing the B763. Great news for MIA and MXP!
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...een-miami-and-milan-209478071.html

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-05-30 04:44:32 and read 16173 times.

Awesome ... yet another one to file in the "about frigging time" category. Yet another new market for the ever-expanding MIA hub - this route should do well.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-05-30 04:46:30 and read 16143 times.

Will Alitalia spoil the party and restart MXP to Miami.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-05-30 04:49:00 and read 16129 times.

This route should do well for AA, good move.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-05-30 05:37:24 and read 15737 times.

Long time coming. Weve been talking about this one for years.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: FSDan
Posted 2013-05-30 06:03:32 and read 15502 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Will Alitalia spoil the party and restart MXP to Miami.

AA's definitely got the advantage on this one. MXP isn't a hub for AZ anymore, so they would have to rely entirely on O&D traffic. AA, on the other hand, can offer connections to the rest of Florida, Latin America, and even LAX/SFO (although that's not the best routing from LAX/SFO-MXP).

Great to see somewhere other than NYC get another nonstop to MXP!

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: s4popo
Posted 2013-05-30 06:06:37 and read 15451 times.

This had to be the only true low-hanging fruit out of MIA. It's about time. It will be interesting to see AZ's response.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-05-30 06:33:42 and read 15240 times.

I don't expect AZ to respond. The market has less potential now then it did before this announcement.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-05-30 06:59:16 and read 15012 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
Long time coming. Weve been talking about this one for years.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
This route should do well for AA, good move.

Remind me why? What is supporting MXPMIA?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: nostromopilot
Posted 2013-05-30 07:45:54 and read 14729 times.

It's about time. Really exciting to see AA look to something not characteristically safe Europe-wise (ie, not Paris/London) for Miami. Milan of course isn't necessarily a secondary market, but to get service before say Frankfurt is a big deal. Very exciting. I'm looking for AA to truly turn MIA into a global hub.

Alright, what's next?
My money is on Cordoba, Argentina, Belem/Fortaleza, Brazil, Georgetown, Guyana then Paramaribo, Suriname... and
(cough::Johannesburg::cough).

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: N62NA
Posted 2013-05-30 07:47:33 and read 14735 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
emind me why? What is supporting MXPMIA?

With the economy in a slump on both sides of this route, I have the same question.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: flymia
Posted 2013-05-30 07:50:48 and read 14683 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Remind me why? What is supporting MXPMIA?

Business ties, Fashion Industry, Growing Italian community in Miami, An AA hub which can connect people from Milan all over the U.S, Caribbean and Latin America, Miami is a popular tourist destination for Italians. The Italians in Miami tend to be fairly wealthy too. Alitalia has ran the MIA-MXP for a while, when MXP was the main hub it used to be MIA-MXP and no MIA-FCO then when it was downgraded it was MIA-FCO and weekly MIA-MXP and now Alitalia finally stopped serving MIA-MXP very recently. With JFK and NRT being the only two long haul flights left for Alitalia at MXP.

The flight makes sense. Great news from MIA and AA. So that is a 5th daily European destination from MIA for AA. LHR, CDG, MAD, BCN and MXP. Wonder if we will see any others pop up in the next year or two.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: psa1011
Posted 2013-05-30 07:55:27 and read 14644 times.

I was going to say SAN would theoretically work as an out-of-the-way connection, then I remembered that SAN-MIA is a single daily red-eye, which apparently means that it's all about O&D, or for connections that involve only the Caribbean.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
AA's definitely got the advantage on this one. MXP isn't a hub for AZ anymore, so they would have to rely entirely on O&D traffic. AA, on the other hand, can offer connections to the rest of Florida, Latin America, and even LAX/SFO (although that's not the best routing from LAX/SFO-MXP).

I was going to say SAN would also theoretically work as an out-of-the-way connection, then I remembered that SAN-MIA is a single daily red-eye, which apparently means that it's all about O&D, or for connections that involve only the Caribbean.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2013-05-30 08:42:00 and read 14331 times.

Quoting nostromopilot (Reply 9):
Alright, what's next?
My money is on Cordoba, Argentina, Belem/Fortaleza, Brazil, Georgetown, Guyana then Paramaribo, Suriname... and
(cough::Johannesburg::cough).

FOR is highly expected... I believe they will do it before June 2014 to allow AA to fly to almost all World Cup cities, with just 2 exceptions (Natal and Cuiaba). AA already covers 7 out of 12 host cities, soon to add POA and CWB.

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
American will finally launch MIA-MXP starting on November 21! The new route will operate daily utilizing the B763. Great news for MIA and MXP!

Indeed. Very good news as it allows easy access to the majority of the Caribbean for Milan passengers.
It will for sure capture some of the FCO-MIA market.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Jasoncrh
Posted 2013-05-30 08:47:29 and read 14246 times.

FASHION! and dont forget Donatella Versace and her minions...

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Remind me why? What is supporting MXPMIA?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-05-30 08:51:28 and read 14225 times.

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
The flight makes sense. Great news from MIA and AA. So that is a 5th daily European destination from MIA for AA. LHR, CDG, MAD, BCN and MXP. Wonder if we will see any others pop up in the next year or two.

Possibly Manchester seasonally (Northern Winter)

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: TWA902fly
Posted 2013-05-30 09:06:09 and read 14117 times.

Quoting nostromopilot (Reply 9):
Alright, what's next?
My money is on Cordoba, Argentina, Belem/Fortaleza, Brazil, Georgetown, Guyana then Paramaribo, Suriname... and
(cough::Johannesburg::cough).

I imagine a 757 could make MIA-COR, its only barely over 4000sm, and winds/ETOPS aren't too much of a factor on this N/S routing. Longer routes have been done with the 757.

As far as JNB, I would think AA would do this if they had the right aircraft, but the truth is that MIA-JNB is 8061sm, which would make it AA's longest route by far (currently JFK-HND I believe), and over 500sm longer than ORD-DEL that used to be operated. The 77W could do it with a noticeable payload hit, as MIA-JNB is longer than LAX-MEL... but profitability is another question. I believe this would also be at the very max of the 787-9's range which AA has on order. One thing AA does have going for it is BA/Comair on the JNB end of the route to provide some extra feed. Another option could be MIA-CPT, which is 7668sm, and thus could be done by the 777-200ER, I imagine, although DL had little success at CPT from my understanding, although that wasn't nonstop. Either way, a difficult, ultra-long-haul route.

Another route i wanted to point out that I think AA could do from MIA is LOS. Even though UA has IAH-LOS, and DL ATL-LOS, the LOS market continues to grow, and MIA-LOS is well within the range of the 763. Could be something for AA to try.

And even more out of the box is LAD - which I know DL announced at one point, but for whatever reasons never started. (I assume the reasons were either Angola's refusal to grant rights for the route, as they are notoriously protective over their home market, somebody please correct me if my assumption is wrong). I would think the market here would be the oil industry, and while AA's MIA hub is much weaker domestically than DL's ATL, it could offer the IAH-MIA-LAD and other major connections necessary to make the route work. Would love to hear other member's opinions on this. Also if anyone has better insight into the United States-LAD market, would love to hear about the traffic flows outside of my guess at IAH.

'902

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: flymia
Posted 2013-05-30 10:08:38 and read 13752 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 15):

Possibly Manchester seasonally (Northern Winter)

Would like to see them try MAN again. There are some other destinations in Europe though with more passengers than MAN without a flight to MIA though.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2013-05-30 10:12:46 and read 13713 times.

I believe we are going to see more AA service to Europe from MIA...
Possible additions that I have heard mentioned are...

SVO
CDG #2
LHR #3
BUD
FRA
FCO


AJMIA

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-05-30 10:22:53 and read 13643 times.

Manchester and Zurich are the most likely next destinations, but the chances of seeing something before winter 2014-15 are slim.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-05-30 10:27:46 and read 13586 times.

I feel like all of us have been crying for this route for years. I'm so glad AA is finally opening up to new ideas. I'm hoping this new route is a sign of whats to come from the new American.

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
So that is a 5th daily European destination from MIA for AA. LHR, CDG, MAD, BCN and MXP. Wonder if we will see any others pop up in the next year or two.

Wow, when you put it into perspective, they have a relatively good connection to Europe from MIA. It's on par with ORD if you count the fact that most ORD-Europe flights are seasonal. Could MIA surpass ORD in flights to Europe?

That leads to my next question.

Quoting nostromopilot (Reply 9):
Alright, what's next?

I would say MIA-FRA but Lufthansa seems to dominate that market like it's nobodies business. If AA is up for some competition then they might be able to make it work. Plus, it's unfortunate how much AA has drawn down at FRA. One measly flight on a 763 from DFW isn't going to cut if they want to be known as a global carrier.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 15):
Possibly Manchester seasonally (Northern Winter)

This also seems like it could work. On that same note, would AA be willing to chase leisure travel from northern Europe during the winter? Perhaps MIA-HEL. They could do ORD-HEL during the spring and summer months and then switch it over to MIA for the Fall and Winter.

Also, what about MIA-MUC? There is currently no competition on the route...Granted, i'm not sure if there is much of a market (maybe Winter Seasonal for all the people freezing over in the snow).

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-05-30 10:37:55 and read 13480 times.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):
SVO
CDG #2
LHR #3
BUD
FRA
FCO

When I was in Miami a couple months ago I couldn't help but notice how many Russians were around. SVO might indeed be a great add.

I'm trying to figure out how BUD plays into the picture considering they no longer have MA to help feed them on the BUD side. Am i missing something about Hungarian business ties or population?

I'm surprised MIA-TLV hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet. Yes, Yes, we know about the court case in Israel, but assuming they clear that hurdle, MIA-TLV could be a great opportunity.

MXP is an excellent add and I'm excited to see what's in store for MIA in the future. Perhaps it will not only be a Latin gateway but one to Europe as well.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: runway23
Posted 2013-05-30 10:59:09 and read 13195 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 19):
Manchester and Zurich are the most likely next destinations, but the chances of seeing something before winter 2014-15 are slim.

Any expansion on the horizon ex JFK or ORD in the meantime ?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2013-05-30 11:04:12 and read 13092 times.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 16):
AA's longest route by far (currently JFK-HND I believe)
Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):
SVO
CDG #2
LHR #3
BUD
FRA
FCO
Quoting oc2dc (Reply 20):
It's on par with ORD if you count the fact that most ORD-Europe flights are seasonal. Could MIA surpass ORD in flights to Europe?

Actually, during the winter months, Miami will surpass ORD in terms of the number of daily seats flown to Europe.

It looks like for the summer months, these are the number of daily seats each city is sending to Europe:

Chicago
Total daily seats: 2,073

1x DUB 763
1x DUS 763
1x LHR 763
3x LHR 772
1x MAN 75L
1x CDG 763
1x FCO 763

Miami
Total daily seats: 1,183

1x BCN 763
2x LHR 772
1x MAD 763
1x CDG 763

For the winter months, with MXP added into the mix from MIA, and DUB and FCO removed from ORD, we have:

Chicago
Total daily seats: 1,340

1x DUS 763 (technically 6w)
2x LHR 763
1x LHR 772
1x MAN 75L
1x CDG 763

Miami
Total daily seats: 1,408.

1x BCN 763
2x LHR 772
1x MAD 763
1x MXP 763
1x CDG 763

During the summer months, ORD will still outpace MIA by a few hundred daily seats.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: crAAzy
Posted 2013-05-30 11:10:29 and read 12999 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
Chicago
Total daily seats: 2,073

1x DUB 763
1x DUS 763
1x LHR 763
3x LHR 772
1x MAN 75L
1x CDG 763
1x FCO 763

HEL too ... no?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2013-05-30 11:14:39 and read 13512 times.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 16):
AA's longest route by far (currently JFK-HND I believe)

Actually, ORD-PVG is the longest route currently in the AA system.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):
SVO
CDG #2
LHR #3
BUD
FRA
FCO

No need for a second daily CDG flight. LHR is covered by the TATL JV with BA, and together, both airlines operate a 2x 777 and 2x 744 on MIA-LHR which is plenty.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 22):
Any expansion on the horizon ex JFK or ORD in the meantime ?

A lot of dynamics will change with the AA-US merger. PHL will become the primary TATL gateway hub to Europe, offering domestic to international connections, whereas JFK can be used to open up more O&D routes (the model will be similar to what DL has done with ATL and JFK, using ATL to serve as the 1-stop connecting hub between the US and key European business cities, and JFK to focus more on O&D routes).

Not really sure what low-hanging fruit exists for ORD in Europe. Even though it would be nice to see ORD restored to "megahub" status in the AA route system, with abundant intercontinental routes, I think that it is more logical for American to grow the ORD hub conservatively and defend market share and corporate contracts where necessary and lucrative.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-05-30 11:38:17 and read 13121 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 25):
both airlines operate a 2x 777 and 2x 744 on MIA-LHR which is plenty.

It's going up in the winter. Four additional 744s/wk.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-05-30 11:39:33 and read 13310 times.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):

SVO
CDG #2
LHR #3
BUD
FRA
FCO

I can see LHR #3. I can see FRA seasonally. The rest is a stretch.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 25):
(the model will be similar to what DL has done with ATL and JFK, using ATL to serve as the 1-stop connecting hub between the US and key European business cities, and JFK to focus more on O&D routes).

Delta has more Euro flights from JFK than ATL.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Sevensixtyseven
Posted 2013-05-30 12:47:58 and read 12370 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 21):

Both Transaero and Aeroflot have VKO-MIA and SVO-MIA, respectively. Transaero has a twice weekly 747, and Aeroflot sends an A332 once a week, but will be upgauging for the winter to 3x week. I'm not sure if the market could use yet another service (MIA-DME).

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2013-05-30 12:51:36 and read 12330 times.

What type of aircraft will AA fly between MIA and MXP? I assume for the time being a 763, but will AA change to a newer aircraft and if so, what?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-05-30 13:06:13 and read 12118 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Will Alitalia spoil the party and restart MXP to Miami.

I doubt AZ has the resources to re-start the route. Given AZs financials I think this would be a disaster for AZ.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 21):
MIA-TLV could be a great opportunity

LY could not make MIA work, why would AA? The MIA hub good for connections from Caribbean, Central and South American destinations, but how much traffic is there from Argentina to Israel? I think the route would have to rely on a fair percentage of O/D for it to work properly, and again if LY couldn't make that O/D route work, how would AA make it happen, with triple fuel prices?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: CoachClass
Posted 2013-05-30 13:09:47 and read 12113 times.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 16):
As far as JNB, I would think AA would do this if they had the right aircraft, but the truth is that MIA-JNB is 8061sm, which would make it AA's longest route by far

I think the answer is a routing to CPT/JNB via EZE/GIG/GRU. If they got the right authorities, they could make quite a successful route with a stopover in South America. Imagine a routing of LHR/MIA/GIG/CPT/LHR with BA doing the last leg.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2013-05-30 13:37:42 and read 11771 times.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 24):
HEL too ... no?

Oh my gosh, yes, good catch!

That brings the number to 2,298 for ORD, but obviously doesn't really impact the data that much otherwise since for Winter, the number is the same.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 29):
What type of aircraft will AA fly between MIA and MXP? I assume for the time being a 763, but will AA change to a newer aircraft and if so, what?

It will be a 767-300. The aircraft is appropriate to start with. American rarely uses 777s to non-LHR markets in Europe, with the exception of a select few from DFW during the peak summer season (FRA, MAD).

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-05-30 13:41:24 and read 11792 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 30):
and again if LY couldn't make that O/D route work, how would AA make it happen, with triple fuel prices?

But LY did make it work. And then fuel shot up to $150. And a 762 between Miami and Tel Aviv with 200 seats is going to make money at that price. And when LY finally got an extra pair of 772s to relaunch Miami, Israel became category II and the planes went to launch a now-discontinued GRU service. With Israel recently back to cat I, its only a matter of when El Al returns, not if. MIATLV is not much smaller a local market than MIAMXP and larger than MIABCN.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: MD80Nut
Posted 2013-05-30 14:04:03 and read 11468 times.

I suppose any additional AA destinations in Europe from MIA will depend to some extent on how well MIA-MXP performs. What were Alitalia's loads like when they had a 777 on the route?

While South Florida's Russian population is sizeble and growing, as another poster says, there's already Transaero and Aeroflot flying Miami - Moscow even if it's not daily. And AA doesn't fly to Moscow at all as far as I know. I don't see it as a likely route for them.

AA already uses Air Berlin as it's MIA to Germany service. I'd love to see them take on LH to Frankfurt, though. Munich would be nice too. But if I was going to bet on something, it would be more destinations in Latin America.

Cheers, Ralph

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: fxramper
Posted 2013-05-30 14:19:21 and read 11277 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):

AA should have done this years a go. UA does great on EWR-MXP. Would love to see a MIA-FCO for AA.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Will Alitalia spoil the party and restart MXP to Miami.

This is a joke, right?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: flymia
Posted 2013-05-30 14:37:03 and read 11028 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 30):
LY could not make MIA work, why would AA? The MIA hub good for connections from Caribbean, Central and South American destinations, but how much traffic is there from Argentina to Israel? I think the route would have to rely on a fair percentage of O/D for it to work properly, and again if LY couldn't make that O/D route work, how would AA make it happen, with triple fuel prices?

As already stated the only reason it did not work was because of a 762 and fuel going to historical highs when the flight was going on. They have not been back to MIA because of the CAT II status now that has changed I expect EL AL in MIA soon. If not then once AA/US gets the TLV thing figured out I could easily see MIA-TLV on AA. The market is a good one. Plenty of O/D traffic and business ties.

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 34):
But if I was going to bet on something, it would be more destinations in Latin America.

Certainly will be. However off the top of my head there are not too many cities I can think of which don't already have AA service from MIA. Certainly there are some but not a whole lot left. Would be interesting to compile a list of large cities in South America which do not have service from AA to MIA.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: csavel
Posted 2013-05-30 14:52:06 and read 10858 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 30):
LY could not make MIA work, why would AA? The MIA hub good for connections from Caribbean, Central and South American destinations, but how much traffic is there from Argentina to Israel? I think the route would have to rely on a fair percentage of O/D for it to work properly

Probably almost all O/D
Remember the US doesn't allow transit passengers in w/o clearing immigration, and most if not all of South America/Caribbean requires visas to get to the US and Israelis need visas to get to the US. So who in their right mind would transit @ Miami? BTW This probably goes for almost all routes ex. Miami. It is highly likely all O/D - at least from the Miami end.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: DUSint
Posted 2013-05-30 15:24:55 and read 10530 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
Chicago
Total daily seats: 2,073

1x DUB 763
1x DUS 763
1x LHR 763
3x LHR 772
1x MAN 75L
1x CDG 763
1x FCO 763

Miami
Total daily seats: 1,183

1x BCN 763
2x LHR 772
1x MAD 763
1x CDG 763

For the winter months, with MXP added into the mix from MIA, and DUB and FCO removed from ORD, we have:

Chicago
Total daily seats: 1,340

1x DUS 763 (technically 6w)
2x LHR 763
1x LHR 772
1x MAN 75L
1x CDG 763

Miami
Total daily seats: 1,408.

1x BCN 763
2x LHR 772
1x MAD 763
1x MXP 763
1x CDG 763

I know, it is not on AA metal... But there is also a daily OneWorld MIA-DUS in the summer and 6x weekly in the winter by AB.
AA and AB seem to get into a quite intense relationship.

[Edited 2013-05-30 15:25:28]

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-05-30 15:28:04 and read 10537 times.

Quoting csavel (Reply 37):
Probably almost all O/D
Remember the US doesn't allow transit passengers in w/o clearing immigration, and most if not all of South America/Caribbean requires visas to get to the US and Israelis need visas to get to the US.

Ugh. This again?

It's not a major issue, or MIA wouldn't be the hub it is! There is something called a multi-year visa. For some places it's good for ten years! And if you are travelling a lot and are from South America or Israel, thre is a good chance one has a multi-year U.S. entry visa.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-05-30 15:38:47 and read 10351 times.

Quoting csavel (Reply 37):
most if not all of South America/Caribbean requires visas to get to the US

Soon Chilean citizens may not even require a U.S. visa to enter the U.S. or to transit via the U.S.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: PRAirbus
Posted 2013-05-30 15:46:51 and read 10248 times.

The downside is that AA will operate on a dated 763!!! That's a downer!  

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-05-30 17:44:13 and read 9292 times.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 41):
The downside is that AA will operate on a dated 763!!! That's a downer!

The long-haul 763 fleet is getting brand-new interiors starting in January 2014.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: N62NA
Posted 2013-05-30 18:09:15 and read 9061 times.

Quoting csavel (Reply 37):
Remember the US doesn't allow transit passengers in w/o clearing immigration, and most if not all of South America/Caribbean requires visas to get to the US and Israelis need visas to get to the US. So who in their right mind would transit @ Miami?

I suppose for some it's not a totally awful experience getting a visa to the USA - even if you just intend to transfer from one international flight to another. But for so many others, it's such a hassle, and there are so many other options from friendlier countries that if I wasn't a U.S. citizen, I would avoid getting involved with the U.S. government if at all possible.

One other point - after all these years, we still don't have a GRU-MIA MIA-LHR (morning flight) connection service on AA.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2013-05-30 18:18:06 and read 8987 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 43):
One other point - after all these years, we still don't have a GRU-MIA MIA-LHR (morning flight) connection service on AA

Probably because there's GRU-LHR, GIG-LHR and EZE-LHR overnight services.
A daylight MIA-LHR would have to rely on early morning arrivals from other markets, and local O&D, and would have to stay overnight in London, as the return flight would not allow connections at MIA. Better to do a afternoon or evening MIA-LHR.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: EricR
Posted 2013-05-30 18:36:24 and read 8802 times.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 41):

The downside is that AA will operate on a dated 763!!! That's a downer!

Never fear, the new US management team is here. They will fix this issue.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-05-30 18:46:52 and read 8699 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 43):
One other point - after all these years, we still don't have a GRU-MIA MIA-LHR (morning flight) connection service on AA.

AA 950 -> AA 142 via JFK accomplishes the same thing.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: delta2ual
Posted 2013-05-30 19:30:19 and read 8344 times.

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
Growing Italian community in Miami

There is a sizable Italian population in MIA, but I thought it was bigger than it actually is. I'm moving to MIA for a new job this Fall, and I asked the consulate official in Chicago about the diaspora there when I went to pick up my Italian passport. He said that Chicago was quite a bit larger. This surprised me because I thought most of the Italians in Chicago were 2nd & 3rd generation. Believe it or not, the Detroit area now has a growing Italian community due to the FIAT partial buyout of Chrysler, which has their HQ in Auburn Hills.
At any rate, the Russian population is growing much faster in Miami. I hope this route succeeds because I prefer non-stops, but I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes seasonal.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 21):
When I was in Miami a couple months ago I couldn't help but notice how many Russians were around. SVO might indeed be a great add.

  

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-05-30 19:48:21 and read 8219 times.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 47):
There is a sizable Italian population in MIA, but I thought it was bigger than it actually is. I'm moving to MIA for a new job this Fall, and I asked the consulate official in Chicago about the diaspora there when I went to pick up my Italian passport. He said that Chicago was quite a bit larger.

Miami has the second largest Italian-born community in the United States, numbering around 50,000-60,000.

Chicago and Boston have larger Italian-American communities, of course, but there are more Italian-born in Miami; many though came to Miami by way of Argentina or Venezuela.

Italians are the largest European community in Miami; but it's just a matter of when, not if, Russians become the largest.

[Edited 2013-05-30 19:49:09]

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: _AA_777_MAN
Posted 2013-05-30 20:02:56 and read 8063 times.

Quoting DUSint (Reply 38):
I know, it is not on AA metal... But there is also a daily OneWorld MIA-DUS in the summer and 6x weekly in the winter by AB.
AA and AB seem to get into a quite intense relationship.

Well if you want to go that route AB also operates ORD-TXL.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: C010T3
Posted 2013-05-30 20:11:16 and read 8002 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 43):
One other point - after all these years, we still don't have a GRU-MIA MIA-LHR (morning flight) connection service on AA.

Why would someone ever connect at MIA between GRU and LHR?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-05-30 20:37:48 and read 7849 times.

Quoting flymia (Reply 36):
Certainly will be. However off the top of my head there are not too many cities I can think of which don't already have AA service from MIA. Certainly there are some but not a whole lot left. Would be interesting to compile a list of large cities in South America which do not have service from AA to MIA.

That's an interesting question. If AA adds FOR, I can't thing of very many markets left that are viable for MIA non-stop service.

COR is the only one that stands out that probably could support direct AA service.

I'd love to see CUZ again, and PUQ, MDZ, SLA and BRC on AA, but I doubt those are feasible. (SLA is the center of a really cool and very underrated area in Argentina IMHO.)

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Miami
Posted 2013-05-30 20:55:21 and read 7728 times.

AA needs to step up it's game with MIA-Europe routes.

And hey, why not an Asian destination for MIA? Like NRT for next year with an AA 787?      

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: kann123air
Posted 2013-05-30 21:47:28 and read 7440 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 42):
The long-haul 763 fleet is getting brand-new interiors starting in January 2014.

Including AVOD?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: surfandsnow
Posted 2013-05-30 23:13:10 and read 7135 times.

Well, this route has been mentioned, suggested, rumored, etc. for quite some time - now that AZ has thrown in the towel, it isn't surprising to see AA seize the opportunity! Likely a great mix of O&D and connecting traffic to Latin America.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Aquila3
Posted 2013-05-30 23:30:06 and read 7083 times.

Finally some good news for our beaten up city.
Thanks AA!!
Would be a good alternative to switch in FRA when going in South US and Latin America.
AZ please stay away.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: csavel
Posted 2013-05-31 03:27:04 and read 6407 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 39):
Quoting csavel (Reply 37):
Probably almost all O/D
Remember the US doesn't allow transit passengers in w/o clearing immigration, and most if not all of South America/Caribbean requires visas to get to the US and Israelis need visas to get to the US.

Ugh. This again?

It's not a major issue, or MIA wouldn't be the hub it is! There is something called a multi-year visa. For some places it's good for ten years! And if you are travelling a lot and are from South America or Israel, thre is a good chance one has a multi-year U.S. entry visa.

of course there is a multi-year visa, but you still have to get one if you don;t have just to transit. That translates into time, and $$$. If you dont have need to go to the US or haven't been in more than 10 years, would you really pay about $150.00 USD just to transit MIA? Also, you still have to go through immigration at the first port of entry to the US - only to stand in another line @ security for your next flight. I've never done this but probably have to go through customs as well - only to hand your bag back to the airline.

I think the real reason MIA is a hub is AA's huge domestic network transiting from the US to the Caribean and South America. Of course the only way to settle this is with actual data of pax transiting through MIA.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: india777
Posted 2013-05-31 04:25:53 and read 6162 times.

And why not ORD-MXP ? Illinois state and Lombardy region are 2 very big business regions and a connection in between should be very interesting (tourism a part...)

Btw I'm happy too about MIA-MXP route!
Ciao to all!
Marco

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-05-31 04:29:30 and read 6138 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 51):
COR is the only one that stands out that probably could support direct AA service.

I'd love to see CUZ again, and PUQ, MDZ, SLA and BRC on AA, but I doubt those are feasible.

AA offers connections to/from COR, CUZ, MDZ, PUQ, etc. via LIM and/or SCL on code-share flights operated by LA. AA even code-shares on LA's domestic flights via AEP.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2013-05-31 04:34:14 and read 6082 times.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):
Possible additions that I have heard mentioned are...

SVO
CDG #2
LHR #3
BUD
FRA
FCO

Did any of those who mentioned the above route possibilities have any responsibility at AA that would include route planning?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: cgnnrw
Posted 2013-05-31 06:02:22 and read 5865 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 20):
I would say MIA-FRA but Lufthansa seems to dominate that market like it's nobodies business. If AA is up for some competition then they might be able to make it work. Plus, it's unfortunate how much AA has drawn down at FRA. One measly flight on a 763 from DFW isn't going to cut if they want to be known as a global carrier.

AA did do MIA-FRA-MIA back in the 1990's. I flew them on my way to EZE in 1996. I doubt they will be back on this route anytime soon. Although I agree with just one B763 is anything but impressive.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-05-31 06:19:15 and read 5826 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 39):
It's not a major issue, or MIA wouldn't be the hub it is! There is something called a multi-year visa. For some places it's good for ten years! And if you are travelling a lot and are from South America or Israel, thre is a good chance one has a multi-year U.S. entry visa.

Personally I think the long immigration lines are a bigger problem than the visa issue, but I also don't think it's as simple as you hint at given how huge the US originating traffic connecting at MIA is, as well as how big the O&D traffic is at MIA. It can't be denied that our immigration requirements are a hinderance to further growth at a hub like MIA. I think a better way to put it is that MIA is a big hub despite our immigration policies  

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: flymia
Posted 2013-05-31 06:50:17 and read 5762 times.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 59):
Did any of those who mentioned the above route possibilities have any responsibility at AA that would include route planning?

I highly doubt it, and if they were they would not tell anyone. Future route planning in the mid-long term is highly confidential information for the airlines.

Quoting csavel (Reply 56):
I think the real reason MIA is a hub is AA's huge domestic network transiting from the US to the Caribean and South America. Of course the only way to settle this is with actual data of pax transiting through MIA.

Of course that's the reason added in the huge O/D support Miami gives the AA hub and the great cargo loads. I don't think anyone is saying International-International is a big part of the MIA hub. It is just an added bonus from the one they get. Also at AA for international-international checked in bags go straight to their flights and passengers don't need to piuck up their bags. At least for most flights. I am sure CBP can ask to have certain flights checked for all passengers.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: miaami
Posted 2013-05-31 07:24:34 and read 5685 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 25):
both airlines operate a 2x 777 and 2x 744 on MIA-LHR which is plenty.

It's going up in the winter. Four additional 744s/wk.

I thought AA was reducing from 14 to 10 weekly MIA-LHR for winter 13/14?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-05-31 07:29:49 and read 5668 times.

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
Business ties, Fashion Industry, Growing Italian community in Miami, An AA hub which can connect people from Milan all over the U.S, Caribbean and Latin America, Miami is a popular tourist destination for Italians.

I just don't see it; carriers are struggling on NYCMXP, and I'm not sure how MIAMXP will be better.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-05-31 07:34:29 and read 5650 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 48):
Italians are the largest European community in Miami; but it's just a matter of when, not if, Russians become the largest.

I went to a wedding last year at the Acqualina in Sunny Isles. Suffice it to say I can't believe Russians are not yet the largest non Hispanic ethnic group in Miami.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: N62NA
Posted 2013-05-31 07:43:13 and read 5616 times.

RE: Daylight AA MIA-LHR:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 44):
Probably because there's GRU-LHR, GIG-LHR and EZE-LHR overnight services.

So then why:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 46):
AA 950 -> AA 142 via JFK accomplishes the same thing.

And there's no more demand that would be willing to route GRU-MIA-LHR because AA 950/152 satisfies all the demand?

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 50):
Why would someone ever connect at MIA between GRU and LHR?

According to AeroWesty they connect at NYC between GRU and LHR.


Lots of different points of view on this one.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-05-31 08:27:29 and read 5475 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 66):
According to AeroWesty they connect at NYC between GRU and LHR.

No, according to the GDS, which anyone may look up and view the connections on offer. It doesn't say how many people actually buy that routing, though I'm sure there are some, for whatever reason.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-05-31 09:00:36 and read 5453 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 64):
I just don't see it; carriers are struggling on NYCMXP, and I'm not sure how MIAMXP will be better.

I rather have a monopoly in a 150 PDEW market than be one of five airlines - Emirates included - competing in a 500 PDEW market.

[Edited 2013-05-31 09:01:04]

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-05-31 10:41:09 and read 5231 times.

Quoting kann123air (Reply 53):
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 42):
The long-haul 763 fleet is getting brand-new interiors starting in January 2014.

Including AVOD?

Unfortunately, I wouldn't get my hopes up for AVOD when the 767 gets an update. There was never any mention of such an an add.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 64):
I just don't see it; carriers are struggling on NYCMXP, and I'm not sure how MIAMXP will be better.

So why is EK joining in on the fun on the JFK-MXP market?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-05-31 11:07:22 and read 5228 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 69):

Unfortunately, I wouldn't get my hopes up for AVOD when the 767 gets an update. There was never any mention of such an an add.

There hasn't been a single mention of a single detail of the new 767 interiors except the obvious true lie-flat in J.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: airdfw
Posted 2013-05-31 13:09:02 and read 4991 times.

Can somebody tell me why AA cannot code share with S7? Is that FAA restriction or something else?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-05-31 13:27:42 and read 4953 times.

Quoting airdfw (Reply 71):
Can somebody tell me why AA cannot code share with S7?

The US-Russian bilateral is fairly restrictive in regards to codesharing. The good news though is that Russia seems very supportive in expanding codesharing in a revised bilateral.

For reference: U.S.- Russia Memorandum of Consultations of February 14, 2013

Quote:
The Russian delegation expressed its strong support for cooperation between US and Russian airlines under code share arrangements. The U.S. delegation undertook to share this information with U.S. air carriers.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-06-01 04:49:32 and read 4487 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 68):
I rather have a monopoly in a 150 PDEW market than be one of five airlines - Emirates included - competing in a 500 PDEW market.

As long as it's not a very price conscious market, in which case people will opt for the cheaper 1-stop options.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-06-01 11:03:53 and read 4217 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 68):
I rather have a monopoly in a 150 PDEW market than be one of five airlines - Emirates included - competing in a 500 PDEW market.

That's true about a lot of markets, like MIAAMS.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 69):

So why is EK joining in on the fun on the JFK-MXP market?

No idea. There's no reason for them to be in that market.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-01 11:16:56 and read 4207 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 74):
That's true about a lot of markets, like MIAAMS.

Not true about MIAAMS. KL never had a monopoly - it always competed with either Martinair or Arkefly.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-01 15:38:03 and read 3960 times.

Quoting miaami (Reply 63):
I thought AA was reducing from 14 to 10 weekly MIA-LHR for winter 13/14?

While GDS is indeed showing that, the second frequency will be daily and will open for daily reservation tomorrow at the same time MIAMXP is loaded.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-06-01 22:01:01 and read 3672 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 75):

Not true about MIAAMS. KL never had a monopoly - it always competed with either Martinair or Arkefly.

*Everyone* has had MIAAMS to themselves at some point, whether it is OR now, MP for a long time, or KL in early 2011. Plus AZ had MXPMIA all to itself for years, KL owned MP, and OR's passengers are a different category from KL.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-06-02 09:20:49 and read 3344 times.

A good move by AA indeed as this new service will support O&D (MXP-MIA-MXP) which is 65,000 pax per year mkt size alone + gain 6th freedom transfer traffic via MIA to California, Texas, Mexico, ATL, Southern USA, CCS and Central America.

For Latin America, even though Italians dont need transit visas for USA, I doubt many would take this option as it would be a much longer flight with transit time included versus instead flying via CDG/AMS/FRA nonstop to Brazil/EZE/SCL.

As far as market sizes are concerned, they are as follows on the Milan route relevant to this new service of AA:

MIA 65,000
LAX 30,000
SFO 25,000
MEX 14,000
CCS 11,000
ATL 9,000
LAS 7,000
IAH 5,000
DFW 5,000

As far as Miami-Zurich is concerned, the market size is 95,000 per year and the yields are approximately 30% higher than Miami-Milan. An interesting market no doubt for AA to look into next.

Miami-Manchester should not be looked into at all as the market size is small i.e. 24,000 pax per year and low yielding.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-02 11:17:34 and read 3219 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 78):
As far as market sizes are concerned, they are as follows on the Milan route relevant to this new service of AA:

Those are not the correct market sizes because you forgot to include Linate traffic. Outside of NYC and MIA, LIN has more U.S. demand than MXP.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 78):
Miami-Manchester should not be looked into at all as the market size is small i.e. 24,000 pax per year and low yielding.

MIAMAN is 48,000 annually. A non-stop would likely significantly increase local demand, as a lot of traffic goes via MCO as is.

While its not necessarily strong yield, MAN is considered one of four non-OW hubs where the ATI alliance is putting a strong emphasis on capturing the local business travel market. The other three are BCN, CDG and MXP.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-06-02 11:20:05 and read 3197 times.

Good call AA. I'm looking forward to trying AA again once the merger is set. I'm very sick of flying UA.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 42):

Really? This is great news. Is there a press release?

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-02 11:26:03 and read 3174 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 80):
Really? This is great news. Is there a press release?
http://worldairlinenews.com/2012/05/...its-international-wide-body-fleet/

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: alitalia744
Posted 2013-06-02 11:44:24 and read 3113 times.

Strong rumors in Itsly that AZ plans to restart the service. From a J class perspective it's a no Brainer.

AZ has the best J service bar none right now across the Atlantic.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-02 11:48:33 and read 3091 times.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 82):

Strong rumors in Itsly that AZ plans to restart the service. From a J class perspective it's a no Brainer.



AZ loaded flights for sale for Oct13 a few eels ago, but then removed them not long after. If AZ wants to make another go, make it daily or don't bother, IMO.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2013-06-02 11:58:13 and read 3044 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 79):
MIAMAN is 48,000 annually. A non-stop would likely significantly increase local demand, as a lot of traffic goes via MCO as is.

While its not necessarily strong yield, MAN is considered one of four non-OW hubs where the ATI alliance is putting a strong emphasis on capturing the local business travel market. The other three are BCN, CDG and MXP.

They tried this already. Would it be more effective seasonally? MAH, correct me if I am wrong, but one of the advantages MIA has is that often times, from certain European markets, winter is a higher demand than summer. Which means that AA (or whomever) could, for example, launch a summer seasonal XXX-MAN and then during the winter season switch it to MIA-MAN.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-06-02 12:04:56 and read 3014 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 78):
As far as Miami-Zurich is concerned, the market size is 95,000 per year and the yields are approximately 30% higher than Miami-Milan. An interesting market no doubt for AA to look into next.

Interesting indeed - not that I'm holding my breath, but it would be cool to see an AA 767 on MIA-ZRH.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 82):
Strong rumors in Itsly that AZ plans to restart the service. From a J class perspective it's a no Brainer.

AZ has the best J service bar none right now across the Atlantic.

Superior J service or not, I tend to agree with a point made earlier in the thread that, at this point, I'm honestly not convinced AZ would be a clear winner in the market head-to-head against AA.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 84):
They tried this already.

True, although the last time AA tried it they didn't have an ATI/JV in place with BA. Having that helps enormously, since AA and BA are no longer competitors in the MAN-MIA market. Would that alone be enough to make the market work? I'm not sure. But it might be.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 84):
Would it be more effective seasonally? MAH, correct me if I am wrong, but one of the advantages MIA has is that often times, from certain European markets, winter is a higher demand than summer. Which means that AA (or whomever) could, for example, launch a summer seasonal XXX-MAN and then during the winter season switch it to MIA-MAN.

Seasonal may well make more sense. It would be less than ideal in capturing the local business market, whatever there is of one, but then again, with a plethora of 1-stop year-round connections available via LHR, JFK, etc., it may well make more sense to put a 767 on it in the peak winter season and leave the market to 1-stops during the summer.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: david_itl
Posted 2013-06-02 12:07:16 and read 3008 times.

MAN-MIA failed due to not securing cruise contracts and BA's "can't be arsed codesharing this particular route" as they needed the feed to LHR whilst they did so on AA's other routes out of MAN. We had the 6 month moving up to 9 month operation of 757s on BOS-MAN in summer and a corresponding 6 month moving down to 3 months operation on MIA-MAN in winter - the durations quoted are more or less what occurred for these seasonal services.

However, with ATI one or both routes stand a slightly better chance of lasting.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-02 12:36:53 and read 2970 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 85):
Interesting indeed - not that I'm holding my breath, but it would be cool to see an AA 767 on MIA-ZRH.

It's one of three large Miami-Europe markets with an average OW fare above $1,000, along with London and Moscow and its Zurich's third busiest long-haul market after New York and Bangkok.

But Zurich and Milan are extremely close, and MIAZRH would compete with MIAMXP itself. Plus competing with Swiss' eleven weekly MIAZRH frequencies won't be easy.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2013-06-02 13:27:29 and read 2869 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 84):
Which means that AA (or whomever) could, for example, launch a summer seasonal XXX-MAN and then during the winter season switch it to MIA-MAN.

I always thought they should do this with the seasonal routes out of other cities like...
ORD-HEL
JFK-FCO
ORD-FCO etc...

AJMIA

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-06-02 14:05:20 and read 2819 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 79):
Those are not the correct market sizes because you forgot to include Linate traffic. Outside of NYC and MIA, LIN has more U.S. demand than MXP.

yes you are correct as I did forget to include LIN of which the USA market sizes are as follows in addition to the MXP stats earlier given:

MIA 20,000
LAX 20,000
SFO 15,000
MEX 15,000
CCS 9,000
IAH 8,000

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 79):
MIAMAN is 48,000 annually. A non-stop would likely significantly increase local demand, as a lot of traffic goes via MCO as is.

interesting as I cant get that stat...but yes adding a new nonstop service would usually increase local nonstop demand by 30%

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-02 22:35:18 and read 2562 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 89):
interesting as I cant get that stat...but yes adding a new nonstop service would usually increase local nonstop demand by 30%

It's definitely in the 40,000 range. When AA had a non-stop, it was around 70,000 annual O&D.

Nonstop can often stimulate local demand as much as 150% for a market like Miami. Both Moscow and Lisbon local markets have grown more than 100% in the past three years, and Berlin, too.

Miami-Milan will probably bounce to 110,000-130,000 now that it will have daily, non-stop service, probably at the expense of Rome and Zurich.

[Edited 2013-06-02 22:38:22]

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: nickofatlanta
Posted 2013-06-02 23:04:32 and read 2506 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 87):

Surprised that SIN is not busier to ZRH given that SQ has am A380 on the route and LX has/will have an A340 when they relaunch it.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2013-06-02 23:07:17 and read 2506 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 89):
MIA 20,000
LAX 20,000
SFO 15,000
MEX 15,000
CCS 9,000
IAH 8,000

Not to hijack the tread, but IAH? Really? To me that seems rather high with what I thought would have been a small IAH-Italy numbers.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-02 23:20:30 and read 2481 times.

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 91):
Surprised that SIN is not busier to ZRH given that SQ has am A380 on the route and LX has/will have an A340 when they relaunch it.

It probably is a busier route as in passengers carried between the two airports, but I was referring to local market size.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: nickofatlanta
Posted 2013-06-03 01:52:40 and read 2377 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 93):

Thanks for the clarification. That definitely makes sense - I can see MIA having significantly more O&D traffic particularly given SQ's hub in SIN and the fact that LX is marketing its SIN route quite heavily in the Australian travel trade press, suggesting transit pax are a significant portion of their traffic on the route too.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-06-03 11:47:33 and read 2157 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 81):

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 80):
Really? This is great news. Is there a press release?
http://worldairlinenews.com/2012/05/...leet/

Using a Wordpress blog is as bad, if not worse than using wikipedia. . . This is not a valid source, although, I will say the article is heavily based off the press event that was held in 2012.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-06-03 11:59:28 and read 2150 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 95):
Using a Wordpress blog is as bad, if not worse than using wikipedia. . . This is not a valid source, although, I will say the article is heavily based off the press event that was held in 2012.

It is a 100% accurate article reporting on an AA press release. It's the first result on Google so I used it. No big deal.

Topic: RE: AA Announces MIA-MXP!
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2013-06-03 12:03:14 and read 2142 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 92):
Not to hijack the tread, but IAH? Really? To me that seems rather high with what I thought would have been a small IAH-Italy numbers.

I and several of my cousins are fairly well connected with the Italian (not Italian American, Italian) community in Houston (and Texas).
The Italian consulate in Houston has over 5,000 registered Italians in the greater Houston metro alone and there are several thousand more not registered who use their services. Between ENI, GE and other Oil/energy work and a large medical demand, that along with tourist traffic would seem to check-out with those numbers posted above in my experiences. ymmv


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