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Topic: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: g2scandinavia
Posted 2013-05-30 09:57:15 and read 18469 times.

Press release from Norwegian:

Norwegian’s first ever intercontinental flight departed for New York today.

Norwegian's first long-haul flight took off from Oslo Airport Gardermoen Thursday afternoon, bound for New York’s JKF airport. “The launch of our intercontinental routes is an important milestone in Norwegian's history. Our goal is that even more passengers should afford to fly – also to other continents,” said CEO Bjørn Kjos.

Norwegian's first intercontinental flight was celebrated with American food, cabin crew dressed in new Moods of Norway uniforms and contests for New York passengers at Oslo Airport on Thursday afternoon. Norwegian's CEO Bjorn Kjos marked the historic event with a ribbon cutting ceremony:

“We are very happy for the great reception of our long-haul routes and that we finally - after years of planning - are able to welcome our first New York passengers on board. The market for intercontinental flights has long been characterized by artificially high fares and limited flexibility. The reception of our new long-haul routes shows that many want to fly inexpensively and comfortably to New York, Bangkok and Fort Lauderdale,” said CEO Bjørn Kjos. He also took the opportunity to announce that Norwegian will expand the number of weekly flights between Oslo and New York from three to four. From 29 November, Norwegian offers daily flights between New York and Scandinavia.

See photos from the launch in the link provided.

Dreamliner delivery scheduled for late June
Norwegian's long-haul routes will be operated by an Airbus A340-300 from the European leasing company HiFly. Norwegian expects to take delivery of its first 787 Dreamliner in late June and enter long-haul service in August. Norwegian currently has eight Dreamliners on order, whereof three will be delivered in 2013, four in 2014 and one in 2015.

More launches this week
Norwegian's first intercontinental flight from Stockholm to New York takes off Friday afternoon, while the first Oslo - Bangkok flight takes place on Saturday. All the flights are full.

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/norwegi...departed-for-new-york-today-872025

[Edited 2013-05-30 09:58:02]

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-05-30 10:41:11 and read 18142 times.

Congratulations to Norwegian on their first long haul route. Hopefully this venture will be successful and it won't be too long before we see them in California.

Is there any reason why their flight doesn't show up on flightaware?

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: speedygonzales
Posted 2013-05-30 10:54:24 and read 18000 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):

Is there any reason why their flight doesn't show up on flightaware?

Don't know, but you can find it on Flightradar24:
http://www.flightradar24.com/NAX7001

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: solnabo
Posted 2013-05-30 11:47:20 and read 17772 times.

DY pilot training w 787 are to be Oslo - Malaga

http://www.flygtorget.se/Aktuellt/Artikel/?Id=9881

//Mike   

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-05-30 12:44:21 and read 17459 times.

I wonder if JFK will do a water cannon salute for an aircraft chartered in to fly the route on an interim basis?

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: airbuster
Posted 2013-05-30 14:16:34 and read 16488 times.

So let me get this straight, Norwegian dresses their cabin crew in "new moods of Norway" uniforms which I suppose have to reflect Norwegian culture. So far so good. Then they set up shop in BKK and employ cheap Thai nationals dressed up in Norwegian costumes......that's just great! LOL!

I wish them good luck!

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-05-30 14:36:09 and read 16134 times.

Quoting airbuster (Reply 5):

So let me get this straight, Norwegian dresses their cabin crew in "new moods of Norway" uniforms which I suppose have to reflect Norwegian culture. So far so good. Then they set up shop in BKK and employ cheap Thai nationals dressed up in Norwegian costumes......that's just great! LOL!

I second that motion!

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2013-05-30 14:40:53 and read 16031 times.

Not to sound dense but is this airline have anything to do with the cruise line with the same name?

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-05-30 14:48:16 and read 15876 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 7):

No. Technically its name is Norwegian Air Shuttle but it just brands itself as Norwegian.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: HELyes
Posted 2013-05-30 17:45:38 and read 14178 times.

According to Flightradar24 it was HiFly CS-TQY, ex-Emirates:


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Photo © Fayaz Rasac



Totally 267 seats (12 First, 42 Business, 213 Economy). Cabin pictures here, looking comfy, are those old Emirates seats in First & Business?:
http://www.hifly.aero/en/a340/cs-tqy

I wonder who got the First class seats, those who bought PremiumFlex ticket?

[Edited 2013-05-30 18:05:14]

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-05-30 18:26:16 and read 13882 times.

Quoting HELyes (Reply 10):

Totally 267 seats (12 First, 42 Business, 213 Economy). Cabin pictures here, looking comfy, are those old Emirates seats in First & Business?:
http://www.hifly.aero/en/a340/cs-tqy

I wonder who got the First class seats, those who bought PremiumFlex ticket?

Can anybody enlighten me on if the DY 787s are to have AVOD in economy? If not, those on the a340 got a pretty sweet deal!

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: HELyes
Posted 2013-05-30 18:46:45 and read 13721 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 11):

Can anybody enlighten me on if the DY 787s are to have AVOD in economy?

They have AVOD in Y, not sure if you have to pay extra though.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: civetfive
Posted 2013-05-30 18:52:57 and read 13654 times.

Quote:

Norwegian's first intercontinental flight was celebrated with American food...

So they served hot dogs, pizza and Taco Bell?

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-05-30 21:26:48 and read 12765 times.

Big fan of Norway (go Ragnar!), but Norway, Iceland, Ireland etc are about the size of Brooklyn and Queens, population-wise. How do they manage to sustain multiple airlines? Does this mean that Queens can support its own LCC?

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: OA412
Posted 2013-05-30 21:33:32 and read 12718 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 14):
How do they manage to sustain multiple airlines? Does this mean that Queens can support its own LCC?

It already does, Jetblue.   

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-05-30 21:38:28 and read 12656 times.

Quoting HELyes (Reply 10):
are those old Emirates seats in First & Business?:

Yes the whole interior is ex-EK with virtually no changes made at all. I love how they still have the sanddune bulkheads! This is, though, a very old EK product, and not their latest generation offering.

[Edited 2013-05-30 22:03:56]

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: surfandsnow
Posted 2013-05-30 22:08:24 and read 12429 times.

Very exciting! Hopefully this will be the foundation and model for successful low cost transatlantic service.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: columba
Posted 2013-05-30 22:13:32 and read 12404 times.

Cool, I will try to be in one of their shiny new 787s this fall  

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: flyinTLow
Posted 2013-05-30 22:38:08 and read 12193 times.

Quoting airbuster (Reply 5):

Just heard recently that Thai cabin crew are supposedly still too expensive, and they are now looking into the Phillipine and Indonesian market...

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: CPHFF
Posted 2013-05-31 00:09:34 and read 11602 times.

Congratulations to Nordic Aviation!

I hope they get some good loads on the BKK route, proving to SK that service can be sustained from ARN. I'm sure they will take som AY customers as well, who now transfers through HEL.

Per

  

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-05-31 00:22:04 and read 11448 times.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
Quoting comorin (Reply 14):
How do they manage to sustain multiple airlines? Does this mean that Queens can support its own LCC?

It already does, Jetblue.

LOL! So true.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: arn777
Posted 2013-05-31 01:16:53 and read 11036 times.

And they just announced a 4th weekly flight from OSL to JFK from the winter schedule. Booking must be satisfying in spite of winter.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: VFRonTop
Posted 2013-05-31 02:56:03 and read 10370 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 13):

Big fan of Norway (go Ragnar!), but Norway, Iceland, Ireland etc are about the size of Brooklyn and Queens, population-wise. How do they manage to sustain multiple airlines? Does this mean that Queens can support its own LCC?

True but people in Queens don't need to board a plane any time they want to go anywhere (Iceland & Ireland are islands!) Even after the financial crash Norway, Ireland and Iceland are very rich countries, with open economies and in Ireland's case a massive diaspora. This all adds up to plenty of flying!

Another thing to remember is that while Ryanair is based in Ireland, they are now a truly pan-European airline. All of their routes are point-to-point, many of which to not originate or terminate in Ireland.

Looking forward to Norwegian expanding their longhaul network. Anyone know what their pricing strategy is like, how they compare?

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: g2scandinavia
Posted 2013-05-31 06:09:10 and read 8873 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 13):
Big fan of Norway (go Ragnar!), but Norway, Iceland, Ireland etc are about the size of Brooklyn and Queens, population-wise. How do they manage to sustain multiple airlines? Does this mean that Queens can support its own LCC?


A good question indeed, but if you look a bit further, you get the picture.
The Norwegian aviation market will generate 55 million passengers in 2013. Even with a population of only 5 million inhabitants, it brings Norway up as one of the largest aviation markets in Europe.
The 3 airports of OSL will produce more than 26 million passengers this year. A huge number given the size of the city.

Add to that, the Norwegian economy is probably one of the strongest, if not the strongest economy in the world (per capita) While the rest of Europe must work hard to reduce spending with money they don't have, Norway must do the opposite by reducing spending with the money they have too much of.
The economy is backed up by one of the largest investment founds in the world and by far the highest average income in Europe. According to Nordic statistics, Norwegian salaries ste 60% higher than the Nordic norm.

Well all this does not give an endless potential for new services, but it does form a rock solid foundation for Norwegian to expand their operations further into new markets.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: kiwirob
Posted 2013-05-31 13:30:29 and read 6432 times.

Quoting airbuster (Reply 5):
So let me get this straight, Norwegian dresses their cabin crew in "new moods of Norway" uniforms which I suppose have to reflect Norwegian culture. So far so good. Then they set up shop in BKK and employ cheap Thai nationals dressed up in Norwegian costumes......that's just great! LOL!

Which is precisely why I will never fly them, I don't want to be served by Thai's who can barely stitch together a sentence in English let along speak Norwegian/Swedish/Danish

Quoting civetfive (Reply 12):
So they served hot dogs,

Hotdogs are a staple Scandinavian food and have been for easily as long as they've been American.

Quoting flyinTLow (Reply 18):
Just heard recently that Thai cabin crew are supposedly still too expensive, and they are now looking into the Phillipine and Indonesian market...

Terrible just terrible, but I guess you get the service you pay for, funny that Norwegian are for the most part no cheaper than SAS.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: CamiloA380
Posted 2013-05-31 14:42:47 and read 6564 times.

Quoting airbuster (Reply 5):
Then they set up shop in BKK and employ cheap Thai nationals dressed up in Norwegian costumes......that's just great! LOL!
Quoting flyinTLow (Reply 18):
Just heard recently that Thai cabin crew are supposedly still too expensive, and they are now looking into the Phillipine and Indonesian market...

*facepalm* Just because the base for crew is going to be BKK doesn't mean it's going to be "Thai nationals". Get your facts straight.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 24):
Which is precisely why I will never fly them, I don't want to be served by Thai's who can barely stitch together a sentence in English let along speak Norwegian/Swedish/Danish

Wait, how do you so suddenly know of every Thai's ability to speak a Scandinavian language? I'd like to hear you speak Norwegian.  

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-05-31 17:28:02 and read 6361 times.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 24):
Which is precisely why I will never fly them, I don't want to be served by Thai's who can barely stitch together a sentence in English let along speak Norwegian/Swedish/Danish

I've never found that to be a problem on carriers from non-English speaking countries. On most flights you have virtually zero communication with cabin crew anyway.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: reifel
Posted 2013-06-01 02:49:46 and read 6132 times.

With DY expanding in Europe, too, I hope they will get better feeder flights to their longhaul flights. Especially to JFK, even within Scandinavia, 5 hours layover in ARN/OSL/CPH are quite often necessary. But they do a good job, the onboard product is good, it doesn't feel "cheap" at all. They offer free wifi, plus they now started to offer on shorthaul audio and video on demand if you bring your own tablet/laptop through Wifi if you pay a fee.

At least to the destinations I book them a lot (between Italy and Spain to Scandinavia) they are usually cheaper than SK, and offer same level of service. Plus for bookings through GDS, i.e. in Amadeus, they even offer 2x23 kg free bag allowance and free seat selection (including emergency exit and bulkhead rows). This is only available free of charge through the GDS and not through their website though.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: kiwirob
Posted 2013-06-01 07:23:44 and read 5790 times.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 25):
Wait, how do you so suddenly know of every Thai's ability to speak a Scandinavian language? I'd like to hear you speak Norwegian.

I've been in Thailand enough times to know that the average Thai has a pretty appalling grasp of English so expecting them to understand a Scandinavian language is pushing it, don't you think.

I can hold a conversation in Norwegian if I have to, I just don't need to very often. Most Scandinavians speak better English than I speak Norwegian so why bother speaking Norwegian?

A flight attendant working for a Norwegian airline serving the Scandinavian long-haul market should be expected to be proficient in one of the 3 Scandinavian languages as well as English.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: HELyes
Posted 2013-06-01 09:10:02 and read 5611 times.

Quoting reifel (Reply 27):
With DY expanding in Europe, too, I hope they will get better feeder flights to their longhaul flights. Especially to JFK, even within Scandinavia, 5 hours layover in ARN/OSL/CPH are quite often necessary.

Same with their HEL base, long layovers are often reality at this point. I was especially happy to get a new premium class choice to BKK but finding reasonable connections is not easy.

[Edited 2013-06-01 09:10:42]

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: g2scandinavia
Posted 2013-06-03 00:36:43 and read 4775 times.

It’s a pity that SAS seems to be so frighten by the competition of Norwegian, that their marketing and PR department runs around as frighten cheeps hunted by a border collie. It’s backed by aviation discussions where the establishment of Norwegian’s long-haul concepts brings controversy and debate through a full service airline point of view. Articles in the media are used to bash the concept and to plant controversy about Norwegian long-Haul. What people do not understand is that they do Norwegian a favor in further bringing Low Cost attention to the airline and boosting their brand awareness for always being the cheapest option. When the same aviation enthusiasts blame Norwegian for not being the cheapest options it’s for me even more evident. When customers book tickets at Norwegian when lower fares are available at SAS, it’s not the costumers that are stupid or Norwegian that is fooling the market, but SAS that have something to learn about brand PR and brand building from Norwegian.

A debate that usually uses the service and concept offered by SAS and other full service airlines as a standard and norm. That’s a pity because although SAS are faced with a new competition it’s as much an opportunity to gain new market speed. With a competitor as Norwegian that offers a concept that is totally different, it’s a golden opportunity for SAS to difference their product and stand out in the market as an alternative. Where food and luggage is to be paid for together with blankets and drinks, SAS offers a full service concept. Where Norwegian only offers flight to New York, SAS can offer flights to all of the US and Canada. Where Norwegian crew only communicated in English, it’s Scandinavian at the blue tails. And so on.

It’s about time to wake up and relies that there will be changes in the industry and that Long-Haul now is the next step for LCC’s!

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: kiwirob
Posted 2013-06-03 06:29:18 and read 4468 times.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 30):
What people do not understand is that they do Norwegian a favor in further bringing Low Cost attention to the airline and boosting their brand awareness for always being the cheapest option.

In my experience they rarely ever are cheaper, 90% of the time SK will be cheaper MOL OSL than Norwegian when you take luggage, I always take luggage, when you don't the prices are within a hundred NOK, often in SK's favour.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 30):
Where Norwegian crew only communicated in English, it’s Scandinavian at the blue tails. And so on.

Do you really find that acceptable that the crew on a Scandinavian airline can't speak a Scandinavian language and I believe will also struggle in English if they go ahead and employ Thai staff. I would be pretty upset in NZ employed staff who couldn't speak English and I'm pretty sure the average German would be upset with LH if they employed non German speaking staff, I think the majority of Norwegians would feel the same way.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2013-06-03 08:44:59 and read 4268 times.

What deep conversations do you need to have with your flight attendant anyway? I am sure they can learn those Thais to pronounce emergency exit, chicken, pasta, beer and water and they will make fine flight attendants. I am sure they will have at least one Scandinavian purser on board for complicated out of routine things.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: reifel
Posted 2013-06-03 10:44:15 and read 4098 times.

I understand this poimt of view, however to be honest if you take Easyjet out of a big base in Germany, they won't speak a word of German, too. Norwegian does also offer flights from Germany to Spain this winter, with aircrafts not based in Germany. Sure their crew will speak no German as well.... If the price is right I doubt people care a lot.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-06-03 18:18:37 and read 3826 times.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 31):
Do you really find that acceptable that the crew on a Scandinavian airline can't speak a Scandinavian language
Quoting kiwirob (Reply 31):
and I'm pretty sure the average German would be upset with LH if they employed non German speaking staff, I think the majority of Norwegians would feel the same way.

I' ve been on a fair number of KLM City Hopper flights with no Dutch-speaking crews. They're probably the ex-Air UK/klmUK crews. They use recordings for the Dutch announcements. I doesn't seem to be a problem for Dutch passengers. KLM's inflight magazine is also English only.

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: kiwirob
Posted 2013-06-04 00:53:36 and read 3594 times.

Big difference between short hops between euro cities and long haul

Topic: RE: Norwegian On It's Way To New York JFK
Username: invaders
Posted 2013-06-04 01:08:05 and read 3562 times.

@kiwirob: I dont know who you are and what your motives are, but your posts are based on feelings more then facts. I've been to Spain many times and sometimes find it hard to communicate with people living there. When flying Norwegian to spain the spannish crew speaks better english then most of the passengers. Norwegian have made it possible for people living in for example Bergen to go places without connecting at OSL or CPH and they are one of the main reasons why you and I can fly for a fair price within Norway. So when mr.kiwi manages to find cheaper SK tickets then you can thank Norwegian for the competetive prices.

Oh and the few times I have flown emirates the crew was from all different corners of the world so I guess you exclude them from your list as well.

And to keep on topic; I hope Norwegian one day can fix their system so that you can check in 24 hours in advance and not 2.


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