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Topic: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: columba
Posted 2013-05-27 09:39:13 and read 22033 times.

Title says all, so let the speculation begin  

So far we have DL for A330s and A321s, Easyjet for 737Max or A320 as well as CSeries, EK for more A380s and possible 777X launch order. Also rumored was LH for A350s but I doubt it, since LH said they will place an order this fall. Maybe they firm up their big A320 order if that had not been done already.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-05-27 09:41:33 and read 22085 times.

The dates for this event to begin?

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-05-27 09:46:30 and read 22021 times.

Quoting columba (Thread starter):
EK for more A380s

IMHO this will be more likely at Dubai in November.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-27 09:50:18 and read 22020 times.

If Boeing does launch the 787-10X at Le Bourget, we'll see orders for it, as well.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: eicvd
Posted 2013-05-27 09:55:24 and read 21978 times.

EI for a few NEO's  

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: flyby519
Posted 2013-05-27 09:55:50 and read 21982 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
The dates for this event to begin?

June 17-23

http://www.paris-air-show.com/

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: SASMD82
Posted 2013-05-27 11:45:58 and read 21492 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
If Boeing does launch the 787-10X at Le Bourget, we'll see orders for it, as well.

Stitch, a question off topic, what's the meaning of the X in the 787-10?

May we see the firm up of the KL/AF order for the A350?

Besides this, I think all above mentioned orders are plausible.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-27 12:08:16 and read 21345 times.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 6):
Stitch, a question off topic, what's the meaning of the X in the 787-10?

Boeing traditionally appends an "X" to concept aircraft within a family. So we have the 787-10X and the 777X.

Once a concept becomes reality, they drop the X. For example, the 777-200X became the 777-200LR and 777-300X became the 777-300ER when both models were formally launched. And when Boeing formally launches the 787-10X, it will become the 787-10. Same with the 777X - when it launches, we'll have the 777-8, 777-8L and 777-9 (and most likely a 777-8F).

[Edited 2013-05-27 12:09:11]

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: SASMD82
Posted 2013-05-27 12:10:47 and read 21324 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Boeing traditionally appends an "X" to concept aircraft within a family. So we have the 787-10X and the 777X.

Once a concept becomes reality, they drop the X. For example, the 777-200X became the 777-200LR and 777-300X became the 777-300ER when both models were formally launched. And when Boeing formally launches the 787-10X, it will become the 787-10. Same with the 777X - when it launches, we'll have the 777-8, 777-8L and 777-9 (and most likely a 777-8F).

Ah, ok. Thanks!  

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-05-27 12:28:28 and read 21197 times.

Just putting out there...

TK order for A350-900 and possibly options for A350-1000 and maybe even an A380 order.

SQ order for A350-1000.

JL and NH orders for A350-1000.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-27 12:32:53 and read 21164 times.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
IMHO this will be more likely at Dubai in November.

   Emirates already hinted at an big A380 order later this year.

As for the Paris airshow, here is a possible line-up:

Airbus
> Lufthansa: 100x A320 + 2x A380
> Air China: 60x A320
> Shenzhen Airlines: 40x A320
> Qatar: 15x A330
> AirAsia: 50x A320
> IAG: 18x A350 (firming the MoU)
> Air France: 25x A350 (firming the MoU)
> Jet Airways: 50x A320 (for JetKonnect)
> China: more A330s

I don't expect the rumored JAL A350 order being announced during the Paris airshow.

Boeing
> Jet Airways: 50x 737 Max
> Fly Dubai: 50x 737 Max
> IAG launching the 787-10X
> More 737, 777 and 787 orders but no idea for who

There are a lot of rumored Airbus orders going around the internet but almost nothing from Boeing. So I expect to see some nice surprises.

[Edited 2013-05-27 12:34:45]

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-27 12:36:30 and read 21100 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
There are a lot of rumored Airbus orders going around the internet but almost nothing from Boeing. I expect to see some nice surprises.

Par for the course as Airbus and their customers appear to prefer to announce at Air Shows.

Hopefully Boeing will be allowed to identify the customers for a number of their recent UFO orders.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-05-27 12:39:24 and read 21071 times.

Why not just wait and see?   

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-27 12:39:30 and read 21077 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Hopefully Boeing will be allowed to identify the customers for a number of their recent UFO orders.

I think Jet Airways is behind one of those UFO orders.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-27 12:46:51 and read 20982 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
Why not just wait and see?

Because is a human thing to speculate  

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: lollomz
Posted 2013-05-27 14:43:58 and read 20507 times.

Fingers crossed for new Superjet orders......

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Reffado
Posted 2013-05-27 14:48:22 and read 20450 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):

Because then no one would be able to say "Ha! I was right!", would they? 

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: metjetCEO
Posted 2013-05-27 15:04:06 and read 20217 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):

Would the LH order be used to phase out existing frames as production is so far out. I don't doubt that its real, but it seems like legacy carriers tend to order in double digit quantities and LCCs tend to do huge block orders of triple digits. Plus I ask because they have established presence in most A320 lanes/ranges from Germany already.

This is just my perception...not backed with hard facts.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: cornishsimon
Posted 2013-05-27 16:00:59 and read 19685 times.

I think its likely that we will see IAG order and firm up orders for long and shorthaul aircraft types


cs

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: boeing773ER
Posted 2013-05-27 16:02:25 and read 19671 times.

I wonder if a US order will be coming up soon?

Their A320 family isn't a spring chicken anymore, with the average age of the A320 family being 14 years old. While this isn't old in any means for aviation (besides Emirates) it should be time for them to start thinking about a replacement.

While I wish for this to happen, with the merger and such I'm sure US has bigger fish to fry at the moment.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: American 767
Posted 2013-05-27 16:34:14 and read 19379 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Because is a human thing to speculate

Here is my speculation:

- Air Canada orders 25 A320NEOs.

- Silk Air orders 10 A321 NEOs.

- Cathay Pacific announces an order of 10 787-10X and 10 options to replace older 777s.

- El Al orders 6 737-8MAX and 4 more on option.

- SAA announces an order for 6 A350-1000s.

- Icelandair announces an order of 20 737-8MAX to replace 757s and more on option should they need to expand.

- Austrian orders Bombardier C Series and A320NEOs.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-05-27 16:50:15 and read 19173 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 20):
- Icelandair announces an order of 20 737-8MAX to replace 757s and more on option should they need to expand.

The 16 B737MAX, and one B787 on order should be enough for Icelandair as it is. They have options for 8 B737MAX and I do not expect them to finalize any of those options for a while.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-05-27 16:55:27 and read 19131 times.

For the most part, I'll let others speculate as I'm seeing some good assumptions.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
IMHO this will be more likely at Dubai in November.

  

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
> Lufthansa: 100x A320 + 2x A380

Is anyone possibly ordering A380s other than EK and LH?  
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 9):
TK order for A350-900 and possibly options for A350-1000 and maybe even an A380 order.

SQ order for A350-1000.

JL and NH orders for A350-1000.

It could be a very good week for the A350...

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
If Boeing does launch the 787-10X at Le Bourget, we'll see orders for it, as well.

I think they have to, otherwise the A35J will get too much free PR...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
> Fly Dubai: 50x 737 Max

Ack! That means the C-series tender is dead.  
Quoting lollomz (Reply 15):

Fingers crossed for new Superjet orders......

Who? I haven't heard a whiff of a rumor. For every other airframe except the 748 and A380, I'm hearing rumors. But not the Superjet. Although the Q400 rumors seem weak...

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: flyby519
Posted 2013-05-27 17:13:15 and read 18986 times.

Anyone see AA ordering a bunch of E190s?

A320NEOs for UA?

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2013-05-27 17:27:12 and read 18881 times.

Possible order hmmmm?

Cathay buying 300 light aircraft for aerial surveys, pleasure flights and crop dusting....oh and a Constellation for their historic flight division, even though we never operated Connies. It's possible!

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-05-27 17:30:37 and read 19698 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
Why not just wait and see?

What good is a discussion forum if all we do is just wait and see?

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: spink
Posted 2013-05-27 18:28:10 and read 19457 times.

If the 10x launches at Paris as rumored, I could see UA signing up for about 20-30 or more for 777 replacements. The 77As will be pushing 25 years at the time of 781 intro and the 200ers will be pushing close to 20.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-05-27 18:38:36 and read 20242 times.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 24):

Crop dusting...? Please...that's not even funny. It's Hong Kong...obviously they'll order Twin Otters on floats.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: zkojq
Posted 2013-05-27 18:39:12 and read 20288 times.

My Additions/Speculations:
737MAX
- Copa

A320neo
- IAG

A350
- Air France/KLM - Order Firmed
- AirLease 2-3 topup

777X
- Air Lease ~10

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: rotating14
Posted 2013-05-27 18:59:40 and read 20051 times.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 23):

I'm guessing no because United just finish the order for 100 of the max edition with -900ers still coming online. AA should be set for the foreseeable future. The A319's are as small as they are gonna go in my honest opinion. Anything is possible though

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-27 19:24:14 and read 19896 times.

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 19):
I wonder if a US order will be coming up soon?

With US now taking on AA's massive narrowbody fleet replacement order via their merger they might be holding back as they merge and rationalize the two fleets. AA also has 365 options on the A320 and A320neo family, which are sufficient to handle replacement of US' A320 family down the road.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2013-05-27 20:20:32 and read 19524 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
> Jet Airways: 50x A320 (for JetKonnect)
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
> Jet Airways: 50x 737 Max
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
I think Jet Airways is behind one of those UFO orders.

Could just be posturing, but now getting conflicting info from Jet Airways that no order has been signed, and they are not looking at the NEO anymore:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...nters-india-market.html?cmpid=yhoo

"Jet is considering an order for Boeing (BA) Co. 737 planes, K.G. Vishwanath, the Mumbai-based carrier’s vice president of commercial strategy, told analysts in a conference call yesterday. He didn’t disclose the number of aircraft or a timeframe."

"Vishwanath yesterday said the carrier has no plans to order the A320neos."

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
Airbus
> Lufthansa: 100x A320 + 2x A380
> Air China: 60x A320
> Shenzhen Airlines: 40x A320
> Qatar: 15x A330
> AirAsia: 50x A320
> IAG: 18x A350 (firming the MoU)
> Air France: 25x A350 (firming the MoU)
> Jet Airways: 50x A320 (for JetKonnect)
> China: more A330s

I don't expect the rumored JAL A350 order being announced during the Paris airshow.

Boeing
> Jet Airways: 50x 737 Max
> Fly Dubai: 50x 737 Max
> IAG launching the 787-10X
> More 737, 777 and 787 orders but no idea for who

  

All looks probable, except the above-mentioned Jet order.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 20):
- Air Canada orders 25 A320NEOs.

- Silk Air orders 10 A321 NEOs.

- Cathay Pacific announces an order of 10 787-10X and 10 options to replace older 777s.

- El Al orders 6 737-8MAX and 4 more on option.

- SAA announces an order for 6 A350-1000s.

- Icelandair announces an order of 20 737-8MAX to replace 757s and more on option should they need to expand.

- Austrian orders Bombardier C Series and A320NEOs.

I can certainly see a few of these, but not:

- Silk Air is replacing their A32X fleet with 737NG's and MAX's.

- Icelandair already ordered 16 MAX's. Doubt they'll order more so soon.

- I'd consider SAA a long-shot to order anything at the moment. I know their new'est' turn-around plan is partly based on overhauling (dumping) their A340 fleet. But they still need a few more bail-outs to be able to bring something new in.

- I don't see CX taking on the 7871. . . yet.  


Regards,

Hamlet69

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: columba
Posted 2013-05-27 21:53:06 and read 18949 times.

Since LH also recently stated they want to replace their CRJ 700 with larger aircraft and Austrian is about to replace their Fokkers as well I can see a larger CSeries order by the LH group.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: India1
Posted 2013-05-27 22:07:29 and read 18809 times.

Kuwait's recent 350 + 320 firming of MoU?

Sri Lankan's reported 330 + 350 firming of MoU?

QR mentioned 380s and 777Xs in addition to the 330s (I assume he wont want to finalise in Dubai and although he talks about wanting more of every aircraft under the sun)

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-05-27 22:45:35 and read 18478 times.

Quoting columba (Reply 32):
I can see a larger CSeries order by the LH group.

While I could hope, I expect that to be after at least six months of flight test data. I see no rush for the LH group thanks to their options.

Quoting India1 (Reply 33):
QR mentioned 380s and 777Xs in addition to the 330s

That could be the 3rd A380 order for the year (2nd at Paris).

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: India1
Posted 2013-05-27 22:55:18 and read 18409 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
That could be the 3rd A380 order for the year (2nd at Paris).

So, if LH is the 1st for the year and if EK is most likely in Nov, who else are you speculating about? TK is one name bandied about for the past 2-3 years without anything having come of it yet.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-05-27 23:58:54 and read 17796 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
There are a lot of rumored Airbus orders going around the internet but almost nothing from Boeing. So I expect to see some nice surprises.

Indeed. Interestingly no one mentioned LATAM. Will LATAM firm up TAM's MOU for 27 A350s that was signed before LAN completed its take over of TAM? Will LATAM look at ordering 777Xs and 787-10Xs? Will LATAM top-up its existing order of 77Ws and 787s? Will LATAM look at taking on A350s; as well as 787-9s/787-10Xs? Very interesting...

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-28 00:48:39 and read 17239 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 22):
It could be a very good week for the A350...

It could but I don't see TK ordering A350 aircraft now with all those A330 and 777 aircraft on order. They also stated their current widebody orders will cover growth until 2020.

As for ANA and JAL, latest rumors said September at least.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-28 00:58:01 and read 17137 times.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 31):
Could just be posturing, but now getting conflicting info from Jet Airways that no order has been signed, and they are not looking at the NEO anymore:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...nters-india-market.html?cmpid=yhoo

"Jet is considering an order for Boeing (BA) Co. 737 planes, K.G. Vishwanath, the Mumbai-based carrier’s vice president of commercial strategy, told analysts in a conference call yesterday. He didn’t disclose the number of aircraft or a timeframe."

"Vishwanath yesterday said the carrier has no plans to order the A320neos."

Well, there was an article 2 weeks ago on the WSJ saying Jet Airways would buy 50 A320s for its low-cost brand JetKonnect. The Bloomberg article only mentions Jet Airways itself, so who knows?

[Edited 2013-05-28 00:59:28]

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-05-28 02:29:37 and read 16371 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 20):
- Cathay Pacific announces an order of 10 787-10X and 10 options to replace older 777s.

I think the 350 would eventually take this one, considering they already have them on order. However, I could see them eventually taking some 777Xs to replace the 77Ws.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2013-05-28 04:05:22 and read 15526 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 37):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 22):It could be a very good week for the A350... It could but I don't see TK ordering A350 aircraft now with all those A330 and 777 aircraft on order. They also stated their current widebody orders will cover growth until 2020.As for ANA and JAL, latest rumors said September at least.

Agreed, though I still expect this be a very good week for the A350. Firming up orders from Sri Lankan and Kuwait as mentioned by India1, but also some surprise orders. I'm waiting for SQ to order the A350-1000, if they want to replace their first batch of 77W's by the time those are 12 years old, SQ cannot wait too long any more.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
> IAG: 18x A350 (firming the MoU)
> Air France: 25x A350 (firming the MoU)

Don't think those will be firmed at Paris, unless IAG's shareholders meeting to approve the order will be held in the same week. I'm also pretty sure as soon as AF's issue with RR is resolved the A350 will be firmed, but I doubt it will coincide with Le Bourget...

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
If Boeing does launch the 787-10X at Le Bourget, we'll see orders for it, as well.

At least two launch customers, but not BA I don't think. BR, PA would be more likely. Hopefully some nice surprise orders.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
Quoting columba (Thread starter): EK for more A380s
IMHO this will be more likely at Dubai in November.

Well, A380s at Le Bourget and 777X at Dubai should ensure a better marketing spread  

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-05-28 04:23:42 and read 15351 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 27):
obviously they'll order Twin Otters on floats.

Ah! Good one. Almost forgot about that...

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 24):
athay buying 300 light aircraft for aerial surveys, pleasure flights and crop dusting....oh and a Constellation for their historic flight division, even though we never operated Connies. It's possible!

They're tired of twins now, too expensive to fly...
I heard the PC-12 is real low on fuel burn. I'm sure they'll be all over that.

Can you operate a PC-12 by cost index?   

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-05-28 05:32:22 and read 14711 times.

The airlines I haven't heard about are EY/9W. With their recent alliance, they'll need more aircraft. Ok, for longhaul, 9W will use recalled 777s. But EY will need more airframes...

Quoting India1 (Reply 35):
So, if LH is the 1st for the year and if EK is most likely in Nov, who else are you speculating about?

I had replied to a quote on QR. But note, I know nothing about there real chances of ordering more A380s.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-28 07:04:49 and read 13945 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
If Boeing does launch the 787-10X at Le Bourget, we'll see orders for it, as well.
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 40):
At least two launch customers, but not BA I don't think. BR, PA would be more likely. Hopefully some nice surprise orders.

Perhaps, but BA's latest 787 order is for any current or future model and Boeing has yet to book it on their site.   

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-05-28 12:14:59 and read 12105 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 43):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
If Boeing does launch the 787-10X at Le Bourget, we'll see orders for it, as well.
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 40):
At least two launch customers, but not BA I don't think. BR, PA would be more likely. Hopefully some nice surprise orders.

Perhaps, but BA's latest 787 order is for any current or future model and Boeing has yet to book it on their site.

Speaking of existing orders, SQ's Scoot could convert some 789's to 78J's if the latter is launched.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Rainmaker
Posted 2013-05-28 17:50:23 and read 11725 times.

Embraer is rumored to launch the E-jet NG at the airshow so there must be a sizable order. B6 for replacement maybe?

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-05-30 11:54:53 and read 10906 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 44):
Speaking of existing orders, SQ's Scoot could convert some 789's to 78J's if the latter is launched.
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 9):
SQ order for A350-1000.

It appears something along these lines has happened but before Le Bourget...

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...-to-order-up-to-50-more-a350-xwbs/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...lines-orders-idUSL3N0EB2NS20130530

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: SASMD82
Posted 2013-05-30 12:07:46 and read 10811 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 44):
78J

A bit off topic but, first we got the 73G, then the 77W and now a 78J? Where do those letters stand for? Of course I apologise if this question has ever been posted before.  

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Extra300
Posted 2013-05-30 12:08:56 and read 10796 times.

What about some NEOs for Finnair?

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-05-30 12:15:41 and read 10765 times.

Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 45):
Embraer is rumored to launch the E-jet NG at the airshow so there must be a sizable order. B6 for replacement maybe?

They have gone on record as saying they would like to launch with orders, and that they are talking to several airlines about this. I'm reasonably sure that the E-Jet G2 will be launched at Paris this year, all the signs point to this, so a few Embraer orders should be a given... the question is, who?


Dan  

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-05-30 12:54:41 and read 10610 times.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 47):
78J?

J is the 10th letter of the alphabet; 787-10.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 47):
73G

G is the 7th letter; 737-700

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 47):
77W

Not certain but I think it stands for Worldliner - gag

[Edited 2013-05-30 13:04:19]

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2013-05-30 13:52:05 and read 10449 times.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 47):
77W

777-300ER: E=5th letter + R=18th = 23th letter =W
Not completely sure but I've seen it mentioned by others as well.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 43):
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 40):At least two launch customers, but not BA I don't think. BR, PA would be more likely. Hopefully some nice surprise orders.Perhaps, but BA's latest 787 order is for any current or future model and Boeing has yet to book it on their site.

Correct, but if one of the launch customers is just a conversion... That's not so strong IMO

Anyway, SQ is now one of the launch customers. QR seems to wait till official launch and convert at least part of their 787 options into a firm order for -10s.

And EK will be another launch customer 50x 787-10!   

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: flyby519
Posted 2013-05-30 14:44:15 and read 10378 times.

Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 45):
Embraer is rumored to launch the E-jet NG at the airshow so there must be a sizable order. B6 for replacement maybe?

Yea, because being the launch customer for the 1st gen E190 worked out so well for B6!  

I could see some sort of deal where B6 cancels the remaining orders/options and gets next gen replacements for the existing fleet, but I doubt they would want to be the launch customer again.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2013-05-30 16:16:53 and read 10194 times.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 51):
And EK will be another launch customer 50x 787-10!

I'm not so sureof that one - maybe the launch customer for the 777X

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-30 17:30:41 and read 10071 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 44):
Speaking of existing orders, SQ's Scoot could convert some 789's to 78J's if the latter is launched.
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 46):
It appears something along these lines has happened but before Le Bourget...
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 51):
Correct, but if one of the launch customers is just a conversion... That's not so strong IMO

SQ's comments are that both the 787-10 and A350-900 order are new, so I do not believe this is a conversion of their 20 787-9s to 30 787-10s. LCC is where the growth is in Asia so Scoot could eventually need a fleet larger than SQ mainline.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-31 01:09:41 and read 9797 times.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 51):
And EK will be another launch customer 50x 787-10!

EK ordering the 787? I do not believe that, even not the largest model.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-05-31 01:18:16 and read 9754 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 54):

Totally agree, kinda what I was trying to get at. Clearly wasn't literal enough.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2013-05-31 02:41:09 and read 9606 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 55):
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 51):And EK will be another launch customer 50x 787-10!
EK ordering the 787? I do not believe that, even not the largest model.

The 787-8 and 9 are indeed too small by EK's standards, their smallest plane should be >300 pax. The 787-10 does meet that standard... its passenger capacity is larger than the A350-900 (which they think is just a tad too small too, hence their earlier interest in converting all of them to -1000s). It's interesting to see EK hasn't topped up their A359 order yet... They are looking at more -1000s though. I believe the first 77W leases expire in 2017, they will need to replace those and cannot do that with 777X.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 54):
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 51):Correct, but if one of the launch customers is just a conversion... That's not so strong IMO
SQ's comments are that both the 787-10 and A350-900 order are new, so I do not believe this is a conversion of their 20 787-9s to 30 787-10s.

Wasn't referring to SQ, but BA. I realise it is not firmed yet, but I hope there will be more launch customers than BA (and SQ, which is of course a great start!).

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Bogi
Posted 2013-05-31 02:55:44 and read 9540 times.

Quoting columba (Thread starter):
Title says all

Have not seen the topic "50th Paris Air Show 2013 | June 17 - 23"?

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-31 03:15:14 and read 9507 times.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 57):
The 787-10 does meet that standard...

But it lacks the range EK wants?

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 57):
It's interesting to see EK hasn't topped up their A359 order yet...

Any new order will be -1000s IMO. And they still have 50 options left.

[Edited 2013-05-31 03:18:19]

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: spink
Posted 2013-05-31 03:53:02 and read 9350 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 59):
But it lacks the range EK wants?

Depends on what they would do with it. It should provide the lowest cost solution for anything within its range which is the vast majority of the locations EK serve. The 78J can cover all of the EU, Asia, Africa, India, eastern US, and and a portion of AU.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Ejazz
Posted 2013-05-31 04:12:23 and read 9350 times.

Plenty of rumours in Etihad that they are purchasing 5-10 B748I and 1-6 B748F as Boeing has agreed to take their A340s in exchange. If true I'm not sure if they will announve at Paris or wait until Dubai,

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: columba
Posted 2013-05-31 08:57:12 and read 8944 times.

Quoting Ejazz (Reply 61):
Plenty of rumours in Etihad that they are purchasing 5-10 B748I and 1-6 B748F as Boeing has agreed to take their A340s in exchange. If true I'm not sure if they will announve at Paris or wait until Dubai,

weird numbers 1-6 B747-8F ????

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-31 16:39:37 and read 8576 times.

Quoting columba (Reply 62):
weird numbers 1-6 B747-8F ????

EY just put one into service via lease with one more on the way, so if the rumor becomes fact, EY might feel there is an opportunity for them to expand their marketshare as EK have cancelled all of their 747-8Fs in favor of the 777F, but they may not be sure of the size of that opportunity...

Replacing A340-600s with 747-8s is what I find confusing. EY already operate the 777-300ER and a 747-8 would be a serious increase in capacity (unless they plan to make it a very premium-heavy configuration). Does EY operate their A340-600s to fields or on missions where a quad is a better choice than a twin?

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-02 04:16:41 and read 7840 times.

From Twitter:

> Bombardier hints at unveiling undisclosed CSeries customer at #pas13 who will fly it into London City.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2013-06-03 02:01:02 and read 7159 times.

Sources saying Viva Aerobus, that today operates 22 Boeing 737, will become a new Airbus customer by ordering 40 A320.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...irbus-mexico-idUSL5N0EF0B820130603

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-03 03:35:27 and read 6979 times.

During an interview today, Leahy hinted an A380 order announcement during the Paris airshow.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: India1
Posted 2013-06-03 03:40:09 and read 6950 times.

Here you go, KarelXWB...

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...r-a320neo/articleshow/20407996.cms

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: solnabo
Posted 2013-06-03 03:56:37 and read 6893 times.

How many A380 orders have EK inalles?

 http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Emirates.htm ?

Cheers

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2013-06-03 04:01:54 and read 6872 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 22):
Who? I haven't heard a whiff of a rumor. For every other airframe except the 748 and A380, I'm hearing rumors. But not the Superjet. Although the Q400 rumors seem weak...

Maybe you are looking for rumors in all the wrong places. Try the relatives of ramp workers for better rumors.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: lollomz
Posted 2013-06-03 04:25:45 and read 6754 times.

Quoting Ejazz (Reply 61):

Personally I would be happy to see a new B747-800i order from Ethiad, it's a beautiful plane!

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Paolo92
Posted 2013-06-03 05:29:15 and read 6583 times.

AviationWeek is reporting that one of the CSeries conditional orders will be converted into firm during the airshow:

Quote:
Bombardier is expected to announce the conversion of one conditional order in Paris in addition to potential new orders.

That would be Ilyushin Finance Co. (I think).

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-06-03 06:02:50 and read 6445 times.

Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 45):
Embraer is rumored to launch the E-jet NG at the airshow so there must be a sizable order.

One hopes...

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 69):
Try the relatives of ramp workers for better rumors.

Their hair stylists are an even better source of information.  

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: flood
Posted 2013-06-03 06:24:02 and read 6365 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 20):
SAA announces an order for 6 A350-1000s.

It seems they're a little more ambitious than that...

"South Africa's national airline plans to spend between $4 billion to $7 billion for 25-30 long-haul aircraft and has mostly been looking at the Boeing 787 and Airbus A350, a senior official said on Monday. State-owned South African Airways (SAA) expects deliveries to start from 2017"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...-safrica-saa-idUSBRE9520IV20130603

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-06-03 09:34:19 and read 6057 times.

Quoting columba (Thread starter):
Also rumored was LH for A350s but I doubt it, since LH said they will place an order this fall. Maybe they firm up their big A320 order if that had not been done already.

Lufthansa sounds like they will ordre lots of 787-10 and 777-9X's, with Swiss getting 777 Lufthansa could be going 777 big time just as it retires the 744 fleet. LH will probably get A350-900 too.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 20):
Here is my speculation:

- Air Canada orders 25 A320NEOs.

- Silk Air orders 10 A321 NEOs.

- Cathay Pacific announces an order of 10 787-10X and 10 options to replace older 777s.

- El Al orders 6 737-8MAX and 4 more on option.

- SAA announces an order for 6 A350-1000s.

Cathay needs many more then 10 787-10's. More 777 from CX would be welcome after the A350-1000 order that caught Seattle by surprise.

Quoting Ejazz (Reply 61):
Plenty of rumours in Etihad that they are purchasing 5-10 B748I and 1-6 B748F as Boeing has agreed to take their A340s in exchange. If true I'm not sure if they will announve at Paris or wait until Dubai,

As great as it would be to see another airline buy 748 why would Etihad with all the A350 and 777 they have. Other then A380 Etihad will had twin engine planes.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: anstar
Posted 2013-06-03 10:05:07 and read 5963 times.

VS also need put in an order soon to replace their 747 fleet.

Currently they have 16 x 787's on order to replace 13 A346's and 4 x A343's... (so a difference of 1 aircraft).

Also they have 12-13 744's that will need replacing... my guess is the 6 x A380 order will be repalced with a 13-14 A350 Order.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: na
Posted 2013-06-03 10:24:01 and read 5866 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 74):
Lufthansa sounds like they will ordre lots of 787-10 and 777-9X's, with Swiss getting 777 Lufthansa could be going 777 big time just as it retires the 744 fleet. LH will probably get A350-900 too.

LH has repeatedly said that they want to reduce the number of types in the fleet, Ordering the 787, 777X and A350 will ridicule their own plans as it means 3 types to replace two, so I give it 1% chance at most. It´ll be 787 + 777X or 787 + A350, or less likely (as it would ignore the smaller widebody sector completely) A350 + 777X.

Quoting anstar (Reply 75):
VS also need put in an order soon to replace their 747 fleet.
Currently they have 16 x 787's on order to replace 13 A346's and 4 x A343's... (so a difference of 1 aircraft).
Also they have 12-13 744's that will need replacing... my guess is the 6 x A380 order will be repalced with a 13-14 A350 Order.

Most of their 744 are just about 10 years old, among the youngest on the market. I do not know how long the lease contracts go but you can bet that the owners will offer very attractive renewal conditions now that the type is aging fast so I wouldnt bet they are leaving anytime soon in numbers, other than the frames built in the 90s.
If they want to compete with BA in the long term its also very risky to drop the A380 on order and go for A350s. Only if they accept defeat they will do so.

Quoting lollomz (Reply 70):
Personally I would be happy to see a new B747-800i order from Ethiad, it's a beautiful plane!

Hope dies last, so the best that can happen at Paris for me too would be a 748I order from I dont care who!

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-06-03 10:42:19 and read 5920 times.

Quoting na (Reply 76):
Most of their 744 are just about 10 years old, among the youngest on the market.

Their average 744 fleet age is about 14 years (newest 10, oldest 19) so replacement time is approaching.

Quoting na (Reply 76):
If they want to compete with BA in the long term its also very risky to drop the A380 on order and go for A350s. Only if they accept defeat they will do so.

Do they want to make money or just beat BAB -- VAA A380 is a thing of the past.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: na
Posted 2013-06-03 14:14:00 and read 5657 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 77):
Their average 744 fleet age is about 14 years (newest 10, oldest 19) so replacement time is approaching.

Approaching, yes, there, not.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 77):
Do they want to make money or just beat BAB -- VAA A380 is a thing of the past.

Rhetoric question of course. Real question is, what do people prefer? The comfort and relative exclusiveness of the biggest jetliner, or taking a generic bus/tube? Fact is, if Virgin cant fill an A380 on a trunk route, it has lost its status as a true BA competitor.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-06-03 18:58:18 and read 5373 times.

Quoting na (Reply 76):
LH has repeatedly said that they want to reduce the number of types in the fleet, Ordering the 787, 777X and A350 will ridicule their own plans as it means 3 types to replace two, so I give it 1% chance at most. It´ll be 787 + 777X or 787 + A350, or less likely (as it would ignore the smaller widebody sector completely) A350 + 777X.

Given the LH logic of type reduction, surely there's another option - A350 only.

A35J to replace A346 and some 748's, A359 to replace A343 and A333. At the top end, a few more A388's.

Not suggesting this as likely, just as another legitimate option.

* edited for grammar and clarity.

[Edited 2013-06-03 19:58:07]

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: rotating14
Posted 2013-06-03 20:40:03 and read 5239 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 79):
Given the LH logic of type reduction, surely there's another option - A350 only.

A35J to replace A346 and some 748's, A359 to replace A343 and A333. At the top end, a few more A388's.

Not suggesting this as likely, just as another legitimate option.

This scenario is possible, but I think that because Boeing has more options than Airbus, it may sway a certain way. We already know they are very fond of the 781 and have been for a while. The thought, as mentioned by Mr Franz, of replacing roughly the same capacity of a quad to a twin, is quite compelling. Its not the answer to the whole equation but its a point that deserves attention.


By 2020 I see the entry of the 779 to replace the older 744's and 346's. 781's and 789's in different configurations to replace the 343's and the 333's. One could argue that the A350 is newer etc but the time they receive their first batch of 787's, they will have evolved into a much leaner machine as Boeing will have refined it year over year until EIS. We have yet to see what the A350 is capable of, good or bad. I know it will be a very competitive aircraft with a flood more orders, just not with LH. I see more 5 more A380's by then as well.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: columba
Posted 2013-06-03 21:56:09 and read 5184 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 74):
Lufthansa sounds like they will ordre lots of 787-10 and 777-9X's, with Swiss getting 777 Lufthansa could be going 777 big time just as it retires the 744 fleet. LH will probably get A350-900 too.

I also believe that it will be a 787/777X combo as I have stated already in the 747 replacment thread. With a 787/777 combo I see no need for the A350. LH wanted the 787-10X from the very beginning and as the recent statements from LH CEO indicates they like the 777X as well.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2013-06-03 22:17:37 and read 5118 times.

Quoting columba (Reply 81):
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 80):
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 79):


This thread is about Le Bourget orders, not LHs future fleet. There is a separate thread for that.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-06-05 15:11:08 and read 4578 times.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 82):
This thread is about Le Bourget orders, not LHs future fleet. There is a separate thread for that.

True that... and there appears to be consensus that LH will order the 78J at Le Bourget, assuming it's launched at Paris.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2013-06-05 23:45:14 and read 4188 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 83):
True that... and there appears to be consensus that LH will order the 78J at Le Bourget, assuming it's launched at Paris.

LH won't announce any orders at Le Bourget... Latest news is that it will happen at the end of the year.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-06 01:32:58 and read 3945 times.

Qatar said to order more 77W aircraft during the Paris airshow.

http://www.ameinfo.com/akbar-al-baker-ceo-qatar-aiways-340919

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: India1
Posted 2013-06-10 01:19:19 and read 3362 times.

AF-KLM to be finalised and announced, says this report:

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...bus-a350-au-salon-du-bourget-.html

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2013-06-10 02:08:20 and read 3165 times.

Quoting India1 (Reply 86):
AF-KLM to be finalised and announced, says this report:

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-....html

OK, the article says AF/KL and RR have reached a compromise about maintenance... Will be interesting to see engine selection for the 787 order then, should be announced at Le Bourget as well I hope  
Looks like lawyers on both sides have worked hard to finalise things before the show. Airbus organise press conferences with announcements every day of the show I suspect, making sure of some good marketing - leave that to mr. Leahy  

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-10 02:12:34 and read 3132 times.

Quoting India1 (Reply 86):
AF-KLM to be finalised and announced, says this report:

I did not expect anything else, the Paris airshow is the perfect place to make the announcement.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 87):
Will be interesting to see engine selection for the 787 order then

I put my money on RR   

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KL577
Posted 2013-06-10 02:16:03 and read 3120 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 87):Will be interesting to see engine selection for the 787 order then
I put my money on RR

from http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...us-a350-au-salon-du-bourget-.html:

"Pour rappel, en septembre 2011, Air France-KLM avait signé une lettre d'intention non seulement pour l'achat de 60 A350, mais aussi pour celui de 50 B787 (dont 25 options). Cette dernière avait été très vite transformée en commande ferme. En effet, General Electric, le motoriste du B787 a été beaucoup plus souple que Rolls Royce."

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-10 02:25:17 and read 3042 times.

My French is    Does it confirm the GE selection for the 787?

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: KL577
Posted 2013-06-10 02:35:36 and read 2976 times.

Yes, and somewhat liberally translated it says that GE was much more forthcoming to AF-KL than RR.

Topic: RE: Possible Orders At Le Bourget
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-10 02:45:39 and read 2909 times.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 5):
June 17-23

http://www.paris-air-show.com/

Monday 17 June to Thursday 20 June for trade days.
The rest is public days - no business being conducted on site.

     


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