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Topic: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-06-10 05:04:11 and read 14131 times.

I can't quote on my iPad, but the news here is reporting a NH 787 at FUK had "engine error."
Flight 258 to HND, 232 people on board, was the flight involved. Anyone else with more info?


Is this Japanese news sensationalism?

Edit: news article I quoted was in Japanese. Also reported on the tv about 40 minutes ago.
Edit 2: finally able to link a news article.
http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0610/SEB201306100011.html?ref=rss




[Edited 2013-06-10 05:17:50]

[Edited 2013-06-10 05:20:03]

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: 0NEWAIR0
Posted 2013-06-10 05:15:44 and read 14069 times.

I can't find anything other than the fact that the flight was cancelled.

...At least they didn't have to blow the slides and evacuate on the runway this time. Progress.   

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-06-10 14:57:25 and read 13061 times.

"A malfunction of instrument on engines was examined."

https://secure.ana-g.com/anacom/cgi-bin/787/pdf/service_e.pdf

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: planesntrains
Posted 2013-06-10 17:14:35 and read 12617 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Is this Japanese news sensationalism?

If we are going to get a newsflash every time an F/A spills coffee on a 787, then I think it's more like A.net sensationalism. But it is what it is.

-Dave

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: PC12Fan
Posted 2013-06-10 17:34:08 and read 12499 times.

The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!!

  

Comon people. Yes, the 787 is having problems, but with this pattern, weather delays will be blamed on the 787.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-06-10 19:19:21 and read 12170 times.

Quoting planesntrains (Reply 3):
If we are going to get a newsflash every time an F/A spills coffee on a 787, then I think it's more like A.net sensationalism. But it is what it is.

Help us if a coffee maker on the 'electric jet' puts out a little smoke...   

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: Norcal773
Posted 2013-06-10 19:40:47 and read 12042 times.

C'Mon now, really? I guess this wouldn't be a good time to report the SJC-NRT 787 was 15 minutes late too!

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: n797mx
Posted 2013-06-10 20:44:42 and read 11295 times.

I'm just waiting for the day where they ground it again because of a "strange odor" coming from the lavs.   

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: tristan7977
Posted 2013-06-10 20:57:45 and read 11116 times.

Those 787's will have more, more, more, and more problems as time goes by.... Eventually something even worse than the battery problem they had...   

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-06-10 21:15:32 and read 10865 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
a NH 787 at FUK had "engine error."

As long as it wasn't a '404 Engine Not Found'...
Because then they have to hit Ctrl-Alt-Del and it takes forever to reboot.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: TheRedBaron
Posted 2013-06-10 21:31:28 and read 10626 times.

Sometimes I HATE to be right... this aircraft will be flying under a microscope for a LONG time..

SAD

TRB

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: mac3xx
Posted 2013-06-11 00:42:09 and read 8657 times.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 10):
Sometimes I HATE to be right... this aircraft will be flying under a microscope for a LONG time..

Just wait ! 350 will enter into service soon and then all the eyes will turn to focus on this new bird. Will start from this week or next week with first flight event.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: WesternDC6B
Posted 2013-06-11 04:14:00 and read 6547 times.

Quoting planesntrains (Reply 3):

Spilled coffee in the wrong place can get interesting. Look for the movie "Fate is the Hunter".   

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: Prost
Posted 2013-06-11 08:36:51 and read 5393 times.

Quoting mac3xx (Reply 11):
Just wait ! 350 will enter into service soon and then all the eyes will turn to focus on this new bird. Will start from this week or next week with first flight event.

I don't know, from all outward appearances, Airbus seems to be managing the A350 project much better than the last two airframes that came out of A & B.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: saloman
Posted 2013-06-11 09:01:42 and read 5272 times.

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 12):
Spilled coffee in the wrong place can get interesting. Look for the movie "Fate is the Hunter".   

Reminds of this story from a few years back

Posted 2013-06-11 09:04:41 and read 5224 times.

The above post was supposed to reference the story a few years back of the coffee spill on a UA ORD-FRA flight where a spilled cup of coffee in the cockpit let to an accidental declaration of hijacking.

For some reason I can't post the link or edit the post above?

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-06-11 09:10:40 and read 5187 times.

And here's another one:

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2013-...-problems-not-related-to-batteries

Maybe somebody will start another thread and then maybe even a "787 Delays and Turnback" forum.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: PW100
Posted 2013-06-11 09:15:43 and read 5150 times.

Quoting mac3xx (Reply 11):
Just wait ! 350 will enter into service soon and then all the eyes will turn to focus on this new bird. Will start from this week or next week with first flight event

Unless . . .

Quoting Prost (Reply 13):
Airbus seems to be managing the A350 project much better than the last two airframes that came out of A & B

. . . and above all, they manage the post EIS problems that will arise in a proper fashion, so that operators don't feel the need to spill the beans. Which could return the focus back to the allready high profile 380 and 787 problems . . .

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: Norcal773
Posted 2013-06-11 10:22:49 and read 4895 times.

Quoting Prost (Reply 13):
I don't know, from all outward appearances, Airbus seems to be managing the A350 project much better than the last two airframes that came out of A & B.

Well, the A350 hasn't flown yet as of today but that's just about to change. That's when the microscope starts. A380 and 787 weren't helped by the fact that they were late of course.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-06-11 10:35:33 and read 4817 times.

Quoting planesntrains (Reply 3):
If we are going to get a newsflash every time an F/A spills coffee on a 787, then I think it's more like A.net sensationalism. But it is what it is.

Well, we also get the boring 787 visits {insert name of city here} threads also - so far this week we have had one for BA, Norwegian and tui

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-06-11 10:45:40 and read 4761 times.

since nobody seems to have looked at the subject and what prompted it here is a piece of that puzzle from Av Herald

"A JAL Japan Airlines Boeing 787-800, registration JA824J performing flight JL-35 from Tokyo Haneda (Japan) to Singapore (Singapore) with 155 passengers, was enroute at FL300 about 50nm southwest of Tokyo when the crew decided to return to Haneda Airport due to a left hand engine (GEnx-1B) anti ice indication. The aircraft landed safely back on Haneda's runway 34L about 30 minutes later.

A replacement Boeing 787-800 registration JA822J reached Singapore with a delay of 4.5 hours."

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-06-11 10:58:08 and read 4645 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 20):
since nobody seems to have looked at the subject and what prompted it here is a piece of that puzzle from Av

That was not the thread starter but the "next Issue" noted in reply 16 which tells the whole story.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: AADC10
Posted 2013-06-11 11:25:38 and read 4515 times.

Does anyone know how often airliners get engine indicators such that the flight needs to be cancelled? I suspect it is fairly common.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: bradmovie
Posted 2013-06-11 11:33:30 and read 4462 times.

Speaking of tongue-in-cheek, apparently this disease is also affecting other aircraft types. Perhaps the 787 has something contagious??? It appears to be able to cross the A-B boundary. In today's news:

---"A Southwest Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Austin has been diverted to Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport, after reports of a suspicious package." (Boeing 737--does this model attract suspicious packages more often than any other models? Is it the batteries?)

---"A woman on United flight 1601 from Washington Dulles, began experiencing an unknown mental problem and threatened to strip on the airplane as it was making its decent into Houston." (B738 -- clearly another model that was put into service before it was ready, probably miswired IFE--or batteries?)

Swiss Airlines flight LX087 last Saturday, a brand new Airbus A330-300, while heading to the runway the aircraft hit one of the airport’s boarding bridges. (Probably Airbus' decision to use magnets in their "Sharklets" was not well thought out. But it may be the batteries.)

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: wingman
Posted 2013-06-11 11:34:53 and read 4446 times.

Remember all those 380 stories when she first came out? Bound to happen to any aircraft with a marred entry into service. The 787 will be plenty bad, but if she can get to the level of satisfaction that the 380 has come to enjoy then it'll all be water under the bridge.

With any luck the 350 will mark a new era of trouble-free introductions for both manufacturers. I can only hope that at some point someone will figure out how to do this correctly.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-06-12 15:59:15 and read 3715 times.

Quoting bradmovie (Reply 23):
Swiss Airlines flight LX087 last Saturday, a brand new Airbus A330-300, while heading to the runway the aircraft hit one of the airport’s boarding bridges. (

It didn't hit a bridge. It struck a parked vehicle, one of the large "mobile lounges" like those used at IAD to carry passengers between the terminal and aircraft parked at remote stands.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: bradmovie
Posted 2013-06-12 16:05:31 and read 3664 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 25):
It didn't hit a bridge.

Ah, you are right sir. So be it for copying verbatim news reports! But it still keeps me tongue firmly planted in me cheek.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: md80fanatic
Posted 2013-06-12 16:13:16 and read 3643 times.

I recall reading early this morning that part of the issue was with the anti-ice system(s). That has traditionally been the responsibility of bleed air, but now is, like everything else on this plane, the responsibility of electrics. That isn't something that should be shucked off as insignificant (as it doesn't require locally freezing temps to be of critical use on a flight).

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-06-12 16:33:30 and read 3562 times.

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 27):
I recall reading early this morning that part of the issue was with the anti-ice system(s). That has traditionally been the responsibility of bleed air, but now is, like everything else on this plane, the responsibility of electrics.

Actually the engine anti-ice system is still bleed air, the wing anti-ice is electrical. The problem was with the engine anti-ice system -- can't blame the fancy electrics on this one necessarily.

Topic: RE: ANA 787 Engine Issue At Fukuoka
Username: cornutt
Posted 2013-06-12 18:20:21 and read 3337 times.

Quoting bradmovie (Reply 23):
---"A woman on United flight 1601 from Washington Dulles, began experiencing an unknown mental problem and threatened to strip on the airplane as it was making its decent into Houston." (B738 -- clearly another model that was put into service before it was ready, probably miswired IFE--or batteries?)

In this case, it sounds like the pax was the IFE...


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