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Topic: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-06-10 06:11:18 and read 10113 times.

No big surprise here.

Tom Horton - chairman
Doug Parker - ceo
Scott Kirby - president

Dan Garton will step down as president/ceo of Eagle later this year

Beverly Goulet will be chief integration officer for the merger.
Elise Eberwein - vice president of people & communications
Robert Isom - chief operating officer
Stephen Johnson - vice president of corporate affairs
Derek Kerr - chief financial officer
Maya Leibman - chief information officer
William Ris - senior vice president of government affairs

[Edited 2013-06-10 06:12:06]

American and US Airways name merged airline leadership


[Edited 2013-06-10 08:03:45 by SA7700]

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2013-06-10 06:14:49 and read 10104 times.

Just for my sake, if no one elses.. can you say which are US and which are AA? I think it would be interesting..

Thanks!

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2013-06-10 06:16:31 and read 10072 times.

Nevermind.. found it...

Kirby, Eberwein, Isom, Johnson and Kerr will join the new American from US Airways; Goulet, Leibman and Ris will join from American.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-06-10 06:19:40 and read 10047 times.

US Airways:

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Doug Parker - ceo
Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Scott Kirby - president
Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Elise Eberwein - vice president of people & communications
Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Robert Isom - chief operating officer
Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Stephen Johnson - vice president of corporate affairs
Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Derek Kerr - chief financial officer

American Airlines:

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Tom Horton - chairman
Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Maya Leibman - chief information officer
Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
William Ris - senior vice president of government affairs

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: Super80DFW
Posted 2013-06-10 06:57:51 and read 9744 times.

Imagine that, way more from the US side. I'm quite surprised that Virasb Vahidi isn't included. Coming from an employee, I really like his leadership and honestly I think Robert Isom will have some big shoes to fill.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: rj777
Posted 2013-06-10 07:14:04 and read 9610 times.

I'm surprised Horton is staying on at all!

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: Longhornmaniac
Posted 2013-06-10 07:15:11 and read 9617 times.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):

   Very disappointed not to see Virasb.

Cheers,
Cameron

[Edited 2013-06-10 07:17:56]

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: CODC10
Posted 2013-06-10 07:43:13 and read 9406 times.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Very disappointed not to see Virasb.

We'd be happy to have him at UAL!  

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: aajfksjubklyn
Posted 2013-06-10 07:46:13 and read 9369 times.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Very disappointed not to see Virasb.

Same here...that is a mistake.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-06-10 07:48:02 and read 9349 times.

And the hostile take over of AA continues by a scrappy second rate airline from the Arizona desert.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: chepos
Posted 2013-06-10 07:49:07 and read 9347 times.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):
I really like his leadership and honestly I think Robert Isom will have some big shoes to fill.

Robert Isom will do fine, he is a great leader.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-06-10 08:00:42 and read 9248 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 9):
And the hostile take over of AA continues by a scrappy second rate airline from the Arizona desert.

And yet, AA is the one who is bankrupt!   JKJK I know US has had their ups and downs too.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: Longhornmaniac
Posted 2013-06-10 08:06:45 and read 9173 times.

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 8):

I suppose the only hope is that he'll find a place right below Isom in the company.

If not, he's too good to not find a place somewhere else.

Cheers,
Cameron

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: chepos
Posted 2013-06-10 08:07:01 and read 9172 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 9):

And the hostile take over of AA continues by a scrappy second rate airline from the Arizona desert.

Keep in mind that if AA's leadership had their ducks in a row and a good BK exit strategy they owuld have been able to exit BK ala DL as a solo independent carrier. Hence they did not, instead of being bitter at any new management be bitter at the people who took your beloved airline into BK.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-06-10 08:08:44 and read 9154 times.

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 8):
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):Very disappointed not to see Virasb.
Same here...that is a mistake.
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Very disappointed not to see Virasb.

Why? Isom has whipped NW and US into shape.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 9):
And the hostile take over of AA continues by a scrappy second rate airline from the Arizona desert.

Scrappy indeed. Probably the best team in the industry. AA on the other hand, is probably the worst. Or second worst .

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: EaglePower83
Posted 2013-06-10 08:10:33 and read 9133 times.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 7):
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Very disappointed not to see Virasb.

We'd be happy to have him at UAL!

Tangental;
but.......Visrab would never survive (nor be welcome) in the anti-customer culture at the current UA.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-06-10 08:28:56 and read 8996 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 9):
And the hostile take over of AA continues by a scrappy second rate airline from the Arizona desert.

Really, a second rate airline? I would not be that critical of US as they have some redeeming qualities. They have managed to become a major through mergers and the ability to always be still intact. The name and the ugly aircraft will say good bye and we will see more poor service and higher fares as a result, but the rest of the world have that already and the rest of us in North America will finally experience what they have in Europe.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: catiii
Posted 2013-06-10 08:54:00 and read 8862 times.

Quoting chepos (Reply 13):
Keep in mind that if AA's leadership had their ducks in a row and a good BK exit strategy they owuld have been able to exit BK ala DL as a solo independent carrier.

Some would argue that the BOD and creditors didn't want DL's "independent standalone" exit strategy. That's why neither Jim Whitehurst nor Ed Bastian got the CEO job.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: EricR
Posted 2013-06-10 09:27:55 and read 8704 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 9):
And the hostile take over of AA continues by a scrappy second rate airline from the Arizona desert.

That scrappy second rate airline from the Arizona desert blew AA out of the water in financial and operational terms.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-06-10 10:14:36 and read 8486 times.

Virasb is at AA the equivalent of Scott Kirby at US . One had to go ..

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2013-06-10 10:19:54 and read 8457 times.

Quoting chepos (Reply 10):
Robert Isom will do fine, he is a great leader.

I agree. Isom is largely responsible for making US what it is today, rather than the operational basketcase it was from 2005-2008. He has an exhaustive record of getting excellent results, within the industty at US and NW and in other industries.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-06-10 12:20:54 and read 8105 times.

Quoting EricR (Reply 18):
That scrappy second rate airline from the Arizona desert blew AA out of the water in financial and operational terms.

Because they pay sub-standard wages!!
They have sub-standard procucts onboard

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2013-06-10 12:21:47 and read 8106 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 5):
I'm surprised Horton is staying on at all!

Only temporarily. He is not a permanent member.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-06-10 12:28:28 and read 8009 times.

In my view there are two areas where AA is a clear leader vs US - product/service, and IT. Liebman is staying, thankfully, but I agree that Vahidi leaving is sad news ... for AA customers most of all. I just pray that Parker keeps his (implied) promise not to do to the AA product what he did to the US product in 2007 ...

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-06-10 12:54:15 and read 7717 times.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):
I'm quite surprised that Virasb Vahidi isn't included.

Is it possible that Vahidi remains in a subordinate position?

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: AABB777
Posted 2013-06-10 13:32:57 and read 7916 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
In my view there are two areas where AA is a clear leader vs US - product/service, and IT. Liebman is staying, thankfully, but I agree that Vahidi leaving is sad news ... for AA customers most of all. I just pray that Parker keeps his (implied) promise not to do to the AA product what he did to the US product in 2007 ...

Agree, it's a shame that Vahidi will not be a part of the new American. He has done great things at AA and is a solid leader and visionary. While his departure is not a surprise it is a disappointment.

Currenty the US leadership is made of up of EVP titles, while AA is SVP. It seems from today's news that the new AA will incorporate both. For example, the releases out today state that Elise Eberwein's title will be EVP People and Communications, while Will Ris (from AA) will retain the title SVP, Government Affairs. Any insight into why the new AA is not using the same title for all members of the executive team?

Finally, I'm personally happy to see that Bev Goulet will continue to lead the integration of the new airline. That's a plus in my book.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: treebeard787
Posted 2013-06-10 13:39:14 and read 7867 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 21):
They have sub-standard procucts onboard

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that statement. I have found US to be as good and sometimes better then the other major US based carriers. At one time US Airways was deserving of being as poorly rated as they were, but today's US is not that same airline anymore.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-06-10 13:47:38 and read 7926 times.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 26):

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that statement. I have found US to be as good and sometimes better then the other major US based carriers. At one time US Airways was deserving of being as poorly rated as they were, but today's US is not that same airline anymore.

Completely agree.

I also have to add that I have never had a bad experience with US, while I cannot say the same about AA.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-06-10 14:13:11 and read 7731 times.

Vahidi is gone for good . He will have no role at the new US . I agree though that he seems like a sharp guy . He will be ok finding work elsewhere I am sure .. Time for much needed change and new leadership at AA . Now lets forget about the past and look forward to a bright future .

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: richiemo
Posted 2013-06-10 16:03:00 and read 6948 times.

ANy word on the livery. I understand Parker was balking at using the new AA livery....as well he should

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2013-06-10 16:10:13 and read 6851 times.

Quoting richiemo (Reply 29):
ANy word on the livery. I understand Parker was balking at using the new AA livery....as well he should

Let them get the final approvals done before pushing for it.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: AusA380
Posted 2013-06-10 16:21:52 and read 6744 times.

Is this title mis leading - should be AMR/US Merger

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: tonytifao
Posted 2013-06-10 16:29:21 and read 6681 times.

When does this new team take affect?

I wonder how this will impact the new ones being let go, their ability to perform and actually care about the new AA

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-06-10 16:33:52 and read 6666 times.

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 31):
Is this title mis leading

How so?

If one wanted to be pedantic it should be AA/US as both AMR and LCC are going away, but I can't see what's wrong with the current title

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-06-10 16:37:42 and read 6600 times.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Very disappointed not to see Virasb.

Not me.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-06-10 16:42:32 and read 6586 times.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 28):
Vahidi is gone for good . He will have no role at the new US .

Okay, slow down, it is AA "now."

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 25):
Any insight into why the new AA is not using the same title for all members of the executive team?

Yes, EVP is a higher rank than SVP.

These are Doug's go-to people. He could not leave home without them.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: Longhornmaniac
Posted 2013-06-10 17:21:20 and read 6302 times.

Quoting richiemo (Reply 29):
ANy word on the livery. I understand Parker was balking at using the new AA livery....as well he should

I would be very surprised to see AA redo their livery anytime soon. Though DP has said nothing's off the table, he also specifically mentioned there are a lot of other things to do before reevaluating the livery. In the interim, it accomplishes exactly what it's supposed to: be unique, be iconic, and be unmistakable. Lest we forget, most people are not aviation nuts like we are. No one is going to misidentify a new AA livery as that of a Colgan Saab 340. There's simply been too much money invested, and by the time DP is actually in charge, a large portion of the fleet will have been repainted.

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 31):

Is this title mis leading - should be AMR/US Merger

Why? AMR and LCC are AA's and US' stock symbols (at least for the time being)

Quoting etops1 (Reply 28):
new US

It's not the new US. It's the new AA.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 28):
Vahidi is gone for good

Not necessarily doubting you, but source?

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 34):
Not me.

Why?

Cheers,
Cameron

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: ItalianFlyer
Posted 2013-06-10 17:28:33 and read 6289 times.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):
Imagine that, way more from the US side. I'm quite surprised that Virasb Vahidi isn't included. Coming from an employee, I really like his leadership and honestly I think Robert Isom will have some big shoes to fill.

RUMOR on the Street is that there is a tech company, with deep pocket$, chasing after him. In other news, an AA regional sales manager for the Ohio Valley (with 27 years at AA) was appointed Managing Sales Director for a 5 star hotel in SDF. Looks like defections have begun at the mid-level too.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: ozark1
Posted 2013-06-10 18:08:45 and read 5998 times.

I am saddened to see Denise Lynn leave as VP People. She was a breath of fresh air when she headed in-flight---very sincere, focused and personable. I know that she will get many job offers----I think that she came on with Horton and Vahidi when they came from AT@T. Not sure if she was with them as well.
We have heard that CLT/PHX/DFW will continue to have their training centers. It will be very interesting to see if any of AA's east coast bases shift to have their recurrent training in CLT, as opposed to DFW, and the west coast would go to PHX instead of DFW. But that would leave DFW with just ORD and DFW. I do believe we are the only large airline with just one facility for training. It is a pretty immense facility in DFW. Looking forward to Doug bringing some more of his people to inflight!

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-06-10 18:18:48 and read 5881 times.

My apologies guys . I clearly meant to type the New AA.. Habit I guess .. I am not giving out source info but Virasb will not have any role in the New AA.

[Edited 2013-06-10 18:21:23]

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-06-10 18:30:36 and read 5824 times.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 39):
I am not giving out source info but Virasb will not have any role in the New AA.

Well in the internal email posted by crj900lr in post 43 in the other thread, Parker publicly fairwells Virasb so it is kind of official

USAir/Doug Parker To Announce New AA Mgmnt (by JoePatroni707 Jun 3 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: aajfksjubklyn
Posted 2013-06-10 19:09:42 and read 5609 times.

My thoughts are: AA premium travelers like myself hate anything US Airways. The discussions I have had w fellow seat mates confirms this. US leaves a bad taste in my mouth- always has. AW - root beer as we call it at work was just ok. Two very good reasons to say good bye! All I hear is what creditors want. Creditors are blind till they get there cash flow back. Customers want today and the thought of US is a thought I prefer to keep out of my head. It's going backwards in my opinion. I was an investor in AA but had the foresight to drop - thanks to Crandells comments. Parker is what I refer to as Chris Cristy of the airline world. Only Parker likes his booze

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2013-06-10 20:01:22 and read 5287 times.

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 41):
My thoughts are: AA premium travelers like myself hate anything US Airways.

I find that people who refer to themselves as premium travellers think they are more important to the air carriers than they really are....

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-06-10 20:13:54 and read 5220 times.

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 41):

Moving right along.. It was a pleasure having you as a customer. Thank you for your business . Hope you find what your looking for at the next airline  

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: AA94
Posted 2013-06-10 20:45:19 and read 5105 times.

Jon Snook, AA SVP of customer service, said he was offered a position in the new company by Isom but declined.

These are the executives who will not be staying on (from the AA side):
Dan Garton, American Eagle president and CEO and AMR and AA executive vice president
Bella Goren, AMR and AA chief financial officer and senior vice president
Gary Kennedy, AMR and AA senior vice president, general counsel and chief compliance officer
Denise Lynn, AA senior vice president of people
Jim Ream, AA senior vice president of operations
Jon Snook, AA senior vice president of customer service
Virasb Vahidi, AA senior vice president and chief commercial officer

Source: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...o-will-be-leaving.html/#more-14906

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
In my view there are two areas where AA is a clear leader vs US - product/service, and IT. Liebman is staying, thankfully, but I agree that Vahidi leaving is sad news ... for AA customers most of all. I just pray that Parker keeps his (implied) promise not to do to the AA product what he did to the US product in 2007 ...

  

Vahidi was leading the new AA forward. Hopefully Parker doesn't screw it up, though I'm not holding my breath.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 36):
It's not the new US. It's the new AA.

  

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: chepos
Posted 2013-06-10 20:47:42 and read 5050 times.

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 41):

My thoughts are: AA premium travelers like myself hate anything US Airways. The discussions I have had w fellow seat mates confirms this. US leaves a bad taste in my mouth- always has. AW - root beer as we call it at work was just ok. Two very good reasons to say good bye! All I hear is what creditors want. Creditors are blind till they get there cash flow back. Customers want today and the thought of US is a thought I prefer to keep out of my head. It's going backwards in my opinion. I was an investor in AA but had the foresight to drop - thanks to Crandells comments. Parker is what I refer to as Chris Cristy of the airline world. Only Parker likes his booze

You have a choice in air travel, you are more than welcome to jump ship and fly DL or UA if anything US bothers you so much.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-06-11 00:01:25 and read 4501 times.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 43):
Moving right along.. It was a pleasure having you as a customer. Thank you for your business . Hope you find what your looking for at the next airline

There's always DL's skypesos, or the UA mess, or any number of LCCs to choose from.

Quoting chepos (Reply 45):
You have a choice in air travel, you are more than welcome to jump ship and fly DL or UA if anything US bothers you so much.

Can't wait 'til we all start remembering AA as it never was as a wonderful airline with great service, that US ruined. It's UA all over again 

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-06-11 00:06:29 and read 4444 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 46):
Can't wait 'til we all start remembering AA as it never was as a wonderful airline with great service

You write the eulogy, I'll go get the violins   

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-06-11 00:49:21 and read 4392 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 47):

You write the eulogy, I'll go get the violins

All of Latin America will have to change their tune from "everyone hates AA (but still flies them)" to "everyone loved AA until US ruined them (but they still fly AA no matter what)" 

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: airdfw
Posted 2013-06-11 07:46:17 and read 3380 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 48):
All of Latin America

Why only Latin America? Is it because AA is just so big there or ???

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: chepos
Posted 2013-06-11 08:04:44 and read 3359 times.

AA has a significant presence in Latino America and they dominate many markets, not because of the awesome inflight experience but in many cases they are the most reliable option. Yet people are not big fans, in many cases they hate AA. Case in point growing up in PR my father was an advantage member and we flew AA regularly, not because of how great they were but because they were convenient and had the most service of any US carrier.and dominated SJU. People constantly complained about the poor onboard experience, delayed flights and just about anything. I flew AA many times commuting back and fprth to college or to visot family in the US but the experience was always just Ok, even back in the AA heyday.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: catiii
Posted 2013-06-11 08:51:46 and read 3256 times.

What happened in New York? Did Jim Carter survive in Eastern sales?

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-06-11 10:16:10 and read 3115 times.

Quoting richiemo (Reply 29):
ANy word on the livery. I understand Parker was balking at using the new AA livery....as well he should

I believe we are seeing the new livery as it was announced just before the merger, that being a fact leads me to believe that Doug Parker was at least allowed some input on the new branding. I like it and would like to see more of it sooner rather than later.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2013-06-11 15:06:49 and read 2877 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 5):
I'm surprised Horton is staying on at all!
Quoting richiemo (Reply 29):
I understand Parker was balking at using the new AA livery....as well he should

Where did you hear that?

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: aajfksjubklyn
Posted 2013-06-11 20:24:06 and read 2704 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 42):

AA thinks so. Hence Concierge Key. AA has always been my airline.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-06-11 20:32:34 and read 2696 times.

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 41):
My thoughts are: AA premium travelers like myself hate anything US Airways. The discussions I have had w fellow seat mates confirms this. US leaves a bad taste in my mouth- always has. AW - root beer as we call it at work was just ok. Two very good reasons to say good bye! All I hear is what creditors want. Creditors are blind till they get there cash flow back. Customers want today and the thought of US is a thought I prefer to keep out of my head. It's going backwards in my opinion. I was an investor in AA but had the foresight to drop - thanks to Crandells comments. Parker is what I refer to as Chris Cristy of the airline world. Only Parker likes his booze

So don't fly AA after the merger.

I'll admit I'm not the biggest fan of AA but I'm still going to fly them because they get me where I need to go. I don't fly them because I feel important with them. I fly who I can afford, being loyal to US/AA when it is fiscally possible.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: awacsooner
Posted 2013-06-11 21:47:42 and read 2620 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 16):
They have managed to become a major through mergers and the ability to always be still intact.

Yah...considering there's still a big cultural clash between US East and US West, and the merger between HP/US happened almost 8 years ago? Nah...history couldn't possibly repeat itself with the AA merger.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: nutsaboutplanes
Posted 2013-06-11 22:07:08 and read 2583 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 52):
I believe we are seeing the new livery as it was announced just before the merger, that being a fact leads me to believe that Doug Parker was at least allowed some input on the new branding. I like it and would like to see more of it sooner rather than later.

I can see why some might think this, but I don't believe that to be true. The new CS was designed well before the merger all while Doug and Tom were very much maneuvering to accomplish their individual agendas (Doug to merge and Tom to emerge as stand alone) I highly doubt they were involved in branding discussions in late 2012 and early 2013.

I also believe that Doug would have chosen a hybrid livery because he has said on several occasions that everyone at AA must remember that 32,000 people are "losing their identity" and that the company they have worked for is "disappearing" speaking of US Airways of course.

Do I think the livery will change.....no. Would I like it to.....yes, I would like to see parts of it changed and that may very well happen. We shall see....as others have pointed out, Doug has been very clear that there are many, many, much more pressing matters that require everyone's attention.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: nutsaboutplanes
Posted 2013-06-11 22:18:22 and read 2561 times.

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 41):
My thoughts are: AA premium travelers like myself hate anything US Airways. The discussions I have had w fellow seat mates confirms this. US leaves a bad taste in my mouth- always has. AW - root beer as we call it at work was just ok. Two very good reasons to say good bye! All I hear is what creditors want. Creditors are blind till they get there cash flow back. Customers want today and the thought of US is a thought I prefer to keep out of my head. It's going backwards in my opinion. I was an investor in AA but had the foresight to drop - thanks to Crandells comments. Parker is what I refer to as Chris Cristy of the airline world. Only Parker likes his booze

I truly believe that if you stick around for a while, you will be pleasantly surprised with what you see. The team (US) is excited about the product enhancements taking place at AA and from what I can tell, there is no desire to see that slowed, diminished or curtailed in any way.

US had to compete as an underdog, the new AA will be competing at a different level with different resources that none of us at US Airways could ever have imagined that we would have at our disposal. We have made our airline work with what we had available to us and we have done a pretty good job in my opinion. I for one am excited to see what we can do, please stick around and give us (the new AA) a chance...........I think you may be pleasantly surprised by what you find as these two great companies with a ton of great people come together to do something truly amazing.   

[Edited 2013-06-11 22:19:18]

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2013-06-12 05:20:37 and read 2395 times.

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 56):
Yah...considering there's still a big cultural clash between US East and US West, and the merger between HP/US happened almost 8 years ago?

Way overblown. I worked there - pre- and post-merger - and have flown much of the network since leaving, across the country and up and down both coasts. The only cultural difference is an east coast vs. west coast attitude, and you can see that at basically every airline. 8 years does a lot to blend cultures and workforces.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: AAexecplat
Posted 2013-06-12 06:09:41 and read 2340 times.

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 58):
I truly believe that if you stick around for a while, you will be pleasantly surprised with what you see. The team (US) is excited about the product enhancements taking place at AA and from what I can tell, there is no desire to see that slowed, diminished or curtailed in any way.

US had to compete as an underdog, the new AA will be competing at a different level with different resources that none of us at US Airways could ever have imagined that we would have at our disposal. We have made our airline work with what we had available to us and we have done a pretty good job in my opinion. I for one am excited to see what we can do, please stick around and give us (the new AA) a chance...........I think you may be pleasantly surprised by what you find as these two great companies with a ton of great people come together to do something truly amazing.  

I can see from your point of view why you would think this way. But mergers never really work out like that. They are not meant to create a better entity. Just a more profitable one. And greater profitability will be achieved by removing overlap (meaning several hubs), trimming capacity, and by having greater pricing power. When all those are exhausted, then Wall Street will tighten the noose and the management of the new AA will cut costs to please Wall Street. In product, in service, and in labor.

Mark my words. That is exactly how it will go down. The biggest losers in this game will ultimately be the employees of the new AA.

I sincerely hope I am wrong.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-06-12 06:23:15 and read 2327 times.

Quoting AAexecplat (Reply 60):
And greater profitability will be achieved by removing overlap (meaning several hubs), trimming capacity, and by having greater pricing power. When all those are exhausted, then Wall Street will tighten the noose and the management of the new AA will cut costs to please Wall Street. In product, in service, and in labor.

Agree with 99% of that. This merger is about covering AA/US network with lower costs and slightly higher prices. They will cut one IT system or the other (huge savings long run). AA management will be thinner because US was so much thinner and they still got the job done.

AA/US front line employees, it will be interesting. Wall St did demand a greater cost consciousness and it could impact employees. Partly they will see a a quicker reacting company and a CFO who cares about cost...

When will DP ask for paycuts?... hmm it could be, 10 years out. Buyouts more likely... like DL. There should be enough cake for everybody, if the merger slimming is done right.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: AAexecplat
Posted 2013-06-12 09:16:07 and read 2145 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 61):
Agree with 99% of that. This merger is about covering AA/US network with lower costs and slightly higher prices. They will cut one IT system or the other (huge savings long run). AA management will be thinner because US was so much thinner and they still got the job done.

AA/US front line employees, it will be interesting. Wall St did demand a greater cost consciousness and it could impact employees. Partly they will see a a quicker reacting company and a CFO who cares about cost...

When will DP ask for paycuts?... hmm it could be, 10 years out. Buyouts more likely... like DL. There should be enough cake for everybody, if the merger slimming is done right.

DP will ask for paycuts the moment the next recession rolls around. I guarantee it. Let's hope it isn't anytime soon.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-06-12 09:31:42 and read 2118 times.

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 58):
US had to compete as an underdog, the new AA will be competing at a different level with different resources that none of us at US Airways could ever have imagined that we would have at our disposal.

   That said, it isn't going to make a lick of difference, as people don't like change, and are bound to hate whatever changes are made to AA. It will be what it will be, and it will be competitive with UA and DL, because it has to be.

Quoting airdfw (Reply 49):
Why only Latin America? Is it because AA is just so big there or ???

It's the only region AA really controls in a big way, and 'hating AA' is almost a pastime in the region

Quoting AAexecplat (Reply 62):

DP will ask for paycuts the moment the next recession rolls around. I guarantee it. Let's hope it isn't anytime soon.

You say that like AA was the model of financial management and employee goodwill

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: aer
Posted 2013-06-12 09:43:43 and read 2089 times.

Quoting airdfw (Reply 49):

Why only Latin America? Is it because AA is just so big there or ???

There used to be a joke that Latin America's largest airline is/was AA.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: delimit
Posted 2013-06-12 12:01:08 and read 1957 times.

Quoting AAexecplat (Reply 60):
I can see from your point of view why you would think this way. But mergers never really work out like that.

DL worked out like that.

Topic: RE: Combined AMR/LCC Leadership Announced
Username: nutsaboutplanes
Posted 2013-06-12 18:24:36 and read 1797 times.

Quoting delimit (Reply 65):
DL worked out like that.
Quoting aer (Reply 64):
Quoting AAexecplat (Reply 60):
I can see from your point of view why you would think this way. But mergers never really work out like that.

DL worked out like that.

delimit, you see this as I believe the new leadership team sees the merger. DL is doing so much right at this point that they are the model. They have solid labor relations, they are paying down debt, they are innovating and they performing exceptionally well.

AAexecplat, as I look at DL, I have a very hard time seeing anything wrong with what they have done with the merger or their overall business strategy. They are seen by many at their peer airlines as the example and I have heard that said several times. Doug made the right decisions with his executive leadership team and that is a good starting point.   


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