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Topic: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 10:39:58 and read 20415 times.

The first A330 for Cebu Pacific (RP-C3341) has been spotted in its full livery. Also, this one is equipped with - hold your breath - 436 seats! All economy, 9 abreast configuration.

Question: are there any other A330 operators out there with that many seats?

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2rvz8cx.jpg

[Edited 2013-05-03 10:41:08]

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: falkerker
Posted 2013-05-03 10:41:27 and read 20448 times.

That has more seats than some A380 operators!!!!

Talk about a can of sardines!!

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: anstar
Posted 2013-05-03 10:58:25 and read 20278 times.

Is thst even possible?
Air transat do 342 seats with a small premum cabin... and 2 -4 -2 down back... I struggle to see how you can get 436 on the 333????

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: boswashsprstar
Posted 2013-05-03 10:59:54 and read 20270 times.

Has anyone else ever done a 9-abreast A330/A340? This is the first I've heard of it.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2013-05-03 10:59:56 and read 20279 times.

Quoting falkerker (Reply 1):
That has more seats than some A380 operators!!!!

   Now, who needs an ultra expensive VLA?

Quoting falkerker (Reply 1):
Talk about a can of sardines!!

   We love sardines...especially with beer!   

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 11:02:49 and read 20248 times.

Quoting boswashsprstar (Reply 3):
Has anyone else ever done a 9-abreast A330/A340? This is the first I've heard of it.

There are a few others like Air Transat, but their A330's also have business class seats. The one for Cebu Pacific is all Y.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 11:06:20 and read 20215 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 2):
Is thst even possible?
Air transat do 342 seats with a small premum cabin... and 2 -4 -2 down back... I struggle to see how you can get 436 on the 333????

According to Airbus it should be possible to seat a maximum of 440 passengers in the A330.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: DUSint
Posted 2013-05-03 11:08:15 and read 20203 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
Quoting boswashsprstar (Reply 3):
Has anyone else ever done a 9-abreast A330/A340? This is the first I've heard of it.

There are a few others like Air Transat, but their A330's also have business class seats. The one for Cebu Pacific is all Y.

Before AB sold its A333, they had 389 seats (all Y) in 8-abreast.
I remember that boarding seemed to take forever - especially when one anticipated only a 2-hour flight from PMI to Germany...

So, if you add one seat per row for 9-abreast, you can easily fit 436 seats in there with 31'' pitch.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: kaitak
Posted 2013-05-03 11:08:45 and read 20197 times.

Quite a few charter operators - Monarch, Thomas Cook etc - have nine abreast on their A330s.

Has Cebu Pacific indicated what routes it wants to fly? I assume MNL-DXB is probably high on the list?

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: DUSint
Posted 2013-05-03 11:10:40 and read 20172 times.

Quoting DUSint (Reply 7):
with 31'' pitch

Though I am not sure about this one - maybe it was more like 30''.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-03 12:30:26 and read 19887 times.

Here is a good article with plenty of information on route deployment and what the future holds for Cebu Pacific's first A330 and the remaining 7 to be delivered... http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...limpse-of-cebu-pacifics-brand.html

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: falkerker
Posted 2013-05-03 12:36:22 and read 19846 times.

Maybe MOL will follow suit and we'll see FR fly long haul on an all-Y 77W...   

Imagine an 400+ passenger FR flight trying to board

"Sir, I'm gonna have to check your bag to see if it can be taken as carry/on"

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Pacific
Posted 2013-05-03 18:21:22 and read 19358 times.

Given the target market (the low-fare, low-yielding passengers), they are likely to be used to high-density conditions. From FX taxis, Jeepneys, Busses, LRT/MRT, PNR to Mitsubishi L300 private vans crammed with 12 people, it is not surprising that the next step is the aeroplane. The Philippines is a high-density country with a rapidly growing population.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: carpethead
Posted 2013-05-03 20:40:19 and read 19130 times.

AirAsia X's A333s are 9-abreast, not sure of their A343s though.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: PM
Posted 2013-05-03 22:05:00 and read 18739 times.

Didn't Air Inter A330s have 400 seats?

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: mariner
Posted 2013-05-03 22:06:56 and read 18723 times.

I like the livery very much.  

mariner

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: crownvic
Posted 2013-05-03 22:24:30 and read 18558 times.

Have RP-C tail numbers been assigned to this new fleet yet?

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-05-03 23:24:02 and read 18095 times.

That's a very nice looking A330! It's a shame we won't see them in Europe.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-05-04 00:02:07 and read 17780 times.

Umm.. how do they seriously expect to fill 400+ seats to AVV? MEL already has PR flights, and adding even 3 weekly flights would require over 1200 seats each way to be filled by Cebu Pacific alone.

To the Middle East it may work, but the potential to many other markets may be harder to achieve.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: EY460
Posted 2013-05-04 00:36:38 and read 17502 times.

Probably Corsair is pretty close to that number.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-05-04 00:36:48 and read 17505 times.

The livery is all it has going good for it. I for one wouldn't want to fly on a high density A333!   

EK413

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-04 01:16:14 and read 17174 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 13):
AirAsia X's A333s are 9-abreast, not sure of their A343s though.

Their A343's are 9 abreast too.

Quoting EY460 (Reply 19):
Probably Corsair is pretty close to that number.

Business: 26
Economy: 334

Total: 360

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-05-04 02:39:06 and read 16592 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
There are a few others like Air Transat, but their A330's also have business class seats. The one for Cebu Pacific is all Y.

The A330 looks very nice in the colors of Cebu Pacific. An all Y configuration makes sense for them. Everyone who has visited the Philippines frequently, and has seen the most common type of passenger in this country with so many islands, will acknowledge that this choice of configuration makes sense for them.  .

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-05-04 03:12:09 and read 16345 times.

Quoting boswashsprstar (Reply 3):
Has anyone else ever done a 9-abreast A330/A340? This is the first I've heard of it.

Besides those already mentioned above, in a previous thread about Cebu Pacific A330s, I remembered that the type's first operator, Air Inter, used theirs for a short time in a 9-abreast 400+ seat configuration.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: RobK
Posted 2013-05-04 03:36:30 and read 16167 times.

Quoting crownvic (Reply 16):
Have RP-C tail numbers been assigned to this new fleet yet?

rp-c3341 onwards.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KaiTak747
Posted 2013-05-04 05:03:36 and read 16126 times.

I like the livery, very colourful! I'm surprised they won't do what AirAsia X do and have a small premium cabin, as I'm sure there will be some, albeit tiny, premium demand.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
Their A343's are 9 abreast too.

I think they have phased these out, and now operate 9 A330s.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 8):
Quite a few charter operators - Monarch, Thomas Cook etc - have nine abreast on their A330s.

I'm booked on KUL-HND return this autumn on AirAsia X, what's the comfort like with 9-abreast? Maybe similar to 10 abreast on the 777?

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2013-05-04 05:09:51 and read 16163 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
Quoting boswashsprstar (Reply 3):
Has anyone else ever done a 9-abreast A330/A340? This is the first I've heard of it.


There are a few others like Air Transat, but their A330's also have business class seats. The one for Cebu Pacific is all Y.

Emirates on 332s

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-04 06:26:15 and read 16026 times.

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 25):
I think they have phased these out, and now operate 9 A330s.

9M-XAB and 9M-XAC are still flying with AirAsiaX.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2013-05-04 07:21:27 and read 15653 times.

Quoting Pacific (Reply 12):
Given the target market (the low-fare, low-yielding passengers), they are likely to be used to high-density conditions. From FX taxis, Jeepneys, Busses, LRT/MRT, PNR to Mitsubishi L300 private vans crammed with 12 people, it is not surprising that the next step is the aeroplane. The Philippines is a high-density country with a rapidly growing population.

Remember what they say..."quantity has a quality all its own"...    .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
That's a very nice looking A330! It's a shame we won't see them in Europe.

It's a fair guess that 5J would be exploring every opportunity to extend services to Europe as soon as the ban is lifted (if ever). A comparatively short hop from the ME to the UK, to be sure.

[Edited 2013-05-04 08:00:58]

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: virgin747
Posted 2013-05-04 07:52:26 and read 15392 times.

I'm here on vacation in the Philippines... The local buzz here is that if you're an Overseas worker and "like" them on Facebook. Cebu Pacific is paying the airfare of 100 passengers to go home to the Philippines when they start their Dubai service in October.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: cosyr
Posted 2013-05-04 07:56:15 and read 15340 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
Quoting anstar (Reply 2):
Is thst even possible?
Air transat do 342 seats with a small premum cabin... and 2 -4 -2 down back... I struggle to see how you can get 436 on the 333????

According to Airbus it should be possible to seat a maximum of 440 passengers in the A330.

Someone's going to get fired. They could have gotten 4 more seats in and they missed it? What were they thinking? 

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-05-04 08:00:20 and read 15226 times.

Maybe the seats are there but will serve as crew rest for F/A ? Or the 440 seats only work on short haul with limited numbers of toilets and the like.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: davidho1985
Posted 2013-05-04 08:05:07 and read 15187 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 31):
Maybe the seats are there but will serve as crew rest for F/A ? Or the 440 seats only work on short haul with limited numbers of toilets and the like

They will use the A330 for new long haul routes!

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-05-04 08:24:09 and read 15077 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
The first A330 for Cebu Pacific (RP-C3341) has been spotted in its full livery. Also, this one is equipped with - hold your breath - 436 seats! All economy, 9 abreast configuration.

Wow--perfect for the Philippines-Gulf market, and likely to put the hurt on the ME3, at least in Y, and there's not much F/J anyway.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 18):
Umm.. how do they seriously expect to fill 400+ seats to AVV?

That would be a disaster.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-04 11:30:05 and read 14212 times.

If Category 2 gets lifted by the FAA and flights to Europe are permitted, these A330's could become a real game changer in the market especially if Cebu Pacific launches flights to Europe. They could make a significant dent in the Europe to Asia/Australia market with their incredibly low overhead and dirt cheap fares. No airline has been able to successfully do it yet but if Cebu Pacific can, Manila may eventually get repositioned as a transit hub stealing from Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong, and Singapore.

Having said that, I am not sure how kindly the Western travelling public would take to being crammed in a flying sardine can for a lengthy flight. But Cebu Pacific might just make the fares worthwhile! The cheapest I have seen them offer Manila-Dubai round-trip is about $250 USD round-trip including all taxes and fees. But you must pay extra for baggage, meals, etc.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-05-04 13:01:48 and read 14046 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
9M-XAB and 9M-XAC are still flying with AirAsiaX.

Indeed, but they are now all white and operated for other airlines like SV.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-04 13:06:03 and read 14022 times.

Oh, I didn't know that. Have they changed the cabin configuration too?

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: crownvic
Posted 2013-05-04 20:35:06 and read 13686 times.

Quoting RobK (Reply 24):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 16):
Have RP-C tail numbers been assigned to this new fleet yet?

rp-c3341 onwards.

Thank you for this information...

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: AR385
Posted 2013-05-04 22:02:03 and read 13622 times.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 34):
Having said that, I am not sure how kindly the Western travelling public would take to being crammed in a flying sardine can for a lengthy flight.

I´d rather not go anywhere than fly in a can of sardines like that. I understand some people do need cheap fares and don´t care as long as they get there. Me too, to a certain degree. Board an A330 9 abreast with 436 seats? I´m 1.87 mts tall and 100kg. It would be a nightmare. I can already hear the DVTs forming.

So I do not think the Western type passenger is what Cebu is aiming for. More telling is the fact they haven´t even considered a premium cabin.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-05-04 23:26:13 and read 13513 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 38):
So I do not think the Western type passenger is what Cebu is aiming for. More telling is the fact they haven´t even considered a premium cabin.

That's even more worrying as there is no way that they can rely on only attracting Filipino traffic on most routes, especially on their planned Australian services. It needs to be a broader based approach to generate sufficient demand into these markets.

Remember that even JQ and D7 operate a J type class on their LCC services to appeal to the market.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 33):
Wow--perfect for the Philippines-Gulf market, and likely to put the hurt on the ME3, at least in Y, and there's not much F/J anyway.

True. On Middle East routes this would likely add up well, given the levels of lower yielding demand that exists.

The ME3 will likely be just as strong given their network connections, but it will be interesting to see.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-05-04 23:33:21 and read 13508 times.

How many A330's are they getting? Perhaps they could configure a few with a small J-cabin of say 14-21 seats in a 2-3-2 configuration for their planned Australian services.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-05-04 23:40:23 and read 13490 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 40):
How many A330's are they getting? Perhaps they could configure a few with a small J-cabin of say 14-21 seats in a 2-3-2 configuration for their planned Australian services.

I don't think thats the avenue they are looking at.

PR already tap into that market and Cebu Pacific will likely aim at lower yield market segments instead. Just how they will achieve that is a big questionmark.

Trying to make AVV work with a product as uncomfortable as this will likely be is definately not an attractive option.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-05 03:35:35 and read 13199 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 40):
How many A330's are they getting?

They have 8 on order.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-05-05 03:47:24 and read 13181 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 41):
Trying to make AVV work with a product as uncomfortable as this will likely be is definately not an attractive option.

Exactly why I think they need to be logical with their Australian services and perhaps venture down this avenue. Pretty much all low cost long haul from Australia still offer a premium product - Jetstar, AirAsia X, Scoot etc. Having a small sub fleet of say 2-3 aircraft with J out of the 8 could be viable and would definitely help them down under.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-05 08:30:30 and read 13018 times.

Cebu Pacific is going to need to re-evaluate their product for long-haul in order to appeal to a broader segment. It may very well work for Filipinos but if they want to serve the mass-budget conscious market, they will need to diversify their product especially if they want to be competitive.

They won't even have much time to breathe before facing competition from PAL Express on their Dubai-Manila route. In regards to service to Australia, Air Asia X has a fairly solid position in that market and Air Asia has just taken a giant leap forward in its efforts to penetrate the Philippine market.

Thanks to Air Asia's new partnership with Zest Airways, Air Asia now has the ability to offer flights from Manila. They will be launching a new Manila-Kuala Lumpur service which will be able to connect to Air Asia X flights. In addition, Air Asia now has access to all of Zest's existing route network which will feed Air Asia X flights via the Manila-KL route from all major Philippine cities. Air Asia's website just took over the handling of all Zest Air bookings.

More information here:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...-philippines-marriage-to-zest.html

Long story short - Cebu Pacific will not be without competition for very long in their attempt to command the budget long-haul market in the Philippines.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: DeltaB717
Posted 2013-05-05 18:01:31 and read 12661 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
I like the livery very much.

Me too, but I think I'll save my admiration for the outside... doesn't sound like a lot of fun on the inside!

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: YLWbased
Posted 2013-05-05 20:19:49 and read 12518 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 8):
I assume MNL-DXB is probably high on the list?

They've already started selling tix on this route about 2-3 months ago, so far the sale is pretty good AFAIK.

Timothy

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: LurveBus
Posted 2013-05-05 23:47:37 and read 12373 times.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 44):
Cebu Pacific is going to need to re-evaluate their product for long-haul in order to appeal to a broader segment. It may very well work for Filipinos but if they want to serve the mass-budget conscious market, they will need to diversify their product especially if they want to be competitive.

I think I'll disagree with this one. They have indeed a unique product - monoclass long haul. That's bound to depress prices. If there's anything we've learned about the LCC revolution, it's that people will put up with almost anything if it's cheap enough. Margins may be smaller, but selling an extra hundred economy seats may be more feasible than selling a watered-down premium product. The OFW market is extremely price-sensitive.

Besides, as mentioned earlier, there's already an airline that provides a watered-down premium product. It's called PAL.

MNL also has slot issues. The monoclass A330 enables 5J to use the aircraft in its short-haul operations, ensuring maximum utilization of the aircraft.

They've done the cost-benefit analysis. They're taking a risk. No other LCC is going this route. This would either fail or end up being totally revolutionary.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-06 03:31:46 and read 12134 times.

Quoting LurveBus (Reply 47):
I think I'll disagree with this one. They have indeed a unique product - monoclass long haul. That's bound to depress prices. If there's anything we've learned about the LCC revolution, it's that people will put up with almost anything if it's cheap enough. Margins may be smaller, but selling an extra hundred economy seats may be more feasible than selling a watered-down premium product. The OFW market is extremely price-sensitive.

The argument was that this approach likely will NOT appeal to a broader segment (westerners) of the global population but will to appeal to Filipinos and OFW's. You only need to read the shock and horror in the various aviation threads that 436 seats is going to be squeezed onto this aircraft in order to get an idea of whether this will have mass appeal or not.

Furthermore, if they want to stretch beyond the Filipino market and steal marketshare from JetStar and AirAsia X on routes to Australia, they will need to re-evaluate their product offering. The majority of people are willing to make sacrifices in order to save money. But there is a good reason that it hasn't been proven to work long-haul yet. Cramming more seats into a plane dramatically reduces the guest experience and what we do know is that people want to save money, but ultimately, they don't want to sacrifice what they deem to be base comforts on international service - meals, baggage allowance, entertainment, and certainly comfort.

The western population would spend an extra $100-$200 for more comfort hence how the economy plus segment was born. But Cebu Pacific's product is BELOW STANDARD of even a standard economy on a charter carrier like Air Transat -- and you still need to pay extra for all incidentals! It might look appealing at first but 4-5 hours into a transcontinental flight attempting to sleep or eat, most westerners will likely regret being cheap and in the end complain, "you get what you pay for!" Guest satisfaction is the main business driver of airlines. What is okay for a 1-2 hour flight will not be for a 8-12 hour flight. AirAsia achieves competitiveness through a low-cost model without sacrificing comfort on board aircraft.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: neutrino
Posted 2013-05-06 06:27:19 and read 11926 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):
We love sardines...especially with beer!
Quoting dforce1 (Reply 34):
But Cebu Pacific might just make the fares worthwhile! The cheapest I have seen them offer Manila-Dubai round-trip is about $250 USD round-trip including all taxes and fees.

Worthwhile indeed! CP's low low SIN-MNL/CRK nett return fares of around US$80 to 85 have made me go to the Philippines more often in the last few years. Its less than a third of what PAL charge and I don't need the inflight refreshments or IFE for the short 200 minutes flights.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 38):
I´d rather not go anywhere than fly in a can of sardines like that. I understand some people do need cheap fares and don´t care as long as they get there. Me too, to a certain degree. Board an A330 9 abreast with 436 seats? I´m 1.87 mts tall and 100kg. It would be a nightmare. I can already hear the DVTs forming.

At your height & weight, CP and the like's tight seatings is definitely not for you. I certainly won't like you beside or worse, at the back of me. For the price, its just bearable for my 1.7m & 70kg.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: AAMDanny
Posted 2013-05-06 13:57:43 and read 11475 times.

This is nothing new, it's just not many have seen it before.

I used to work for TCX, and we had both the A332 and A333 (well the A333 come from TCS but it commonly come to the UK for the Summer) I think the TCS A333 was configured to 406Y if my memory served me correctly. I've worked for 2 other airlines since with wide bodied Airbus aircraft so I have forgot exact numbers and configs.

The A330 is a very versatile aircraft and 2-4-2Y is very generous but when Airtours and Monarch got the A330's in the 90's they have been doing 3-3-3Y for years on long haul routes all over the world. Same with their 10Y abreast DC10's.

The A330 is capable of having LDL's fitted (lower deck lavatories) this however maybe problematic when it comes to selling the aircraft in the future to a future operator as LDL's are fixed into the aircraft and can not be removed and takes up a portion of the cargo belly. However this creates more space up on the main deck. (Airtours took up this option for create more space on the main deck of their A330's)

The A330 has a lot of tricks up her sleeve, not many of us get to see what she's truly capable of.

As for 436 out of available 440, I would imagine 440 is the maximum with minium lav & galley space, Cebu have probably configured it to maximise Lavatory, Galley and Equipment stowages space.

Good luck to them with this new venture, the A330 is a easy choice as A320 rated pilots can be dual rated on the A320 family and A330 family with flight deck commonality.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-07 00:34:04 and read 11243 times.

What do you estimate the seat pitch to be at 436 seats? Could it be possible then that Cebu Pacific is maintaining a standard seat pitch in line with charter carriers in Europe and North America while shifting the lavatories to the lower deck? Or is it possible to have 436 seats with minimal lavatories and galleys on the same deck?

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: carpethead
Posted 2013-05-07 05:43:40 and read 11164 times.

Japanese carrier Skymark Airlines may outfit their A333 order to a similar layout for high-density domestic flying out of HND.
Though nobody, except those high ranking execs, really know where those A333s are going. Less than a year to go though.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-12 08:31:40 and read 10711 times.

Does anybody know what type of seats Cebu Pacific is putting in their A330's? This article notes that they were looking at Geven seats. This will be the highest density configuration for an aircraft of its type in the entire world. Sounds like a flying bus to me!

More here:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...ific-a330-worlds-first-flying.html

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2013-05-12 13:09:06 and read 10521 times.

Let us hope they are slimline seats, so they have an extra inch of legroom at least.

I remember seeing Airbus' own 440-seat seatmap for the original A330-300 - it didn't look too bad, but there were minimum galleys, which I assume Cebu will have too with buy-on-board catering only...?

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-12 22:08:03 and read 10344 times.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 54):
Let us hope they are slimline seats, so they have an extra inch of legroom at least.

From the Cebu Pacific website, standard economy at 30" seat pitch, standard plus at 32" and premium which will be bulkhead and exit rows....tight squeeze! I also don't like that standard plus will be at the rear of the plane which means you will end up waiting to disembark behind all of the other sardines  

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Daleaholic
Posted 2013-05-13 01:30:34 and read 10169 times.

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 50):

The TCX Scandinavia aircraft (OY-VKI) was configured to 407Y for last summer, not too sure what it is now.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 55):
I also don't like that standard plus will be at the rear of the plane which means you will end up waiting to disembark behind all of the other sardines

Depends on their ground handling agreements... If they use steps and remote stands, you could be one of the first off through a rear door. Just a guess!

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-05-13 01:39:22 and read 10147 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 52):
Japanese carrier Skymark Airlines may outfit their A333 order to a similar layout for high-density domestic flying out of HND.

Aren't they looking to see these on International sectors, including possibly MEL? Its either them or the A380's which will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: zkojq
Posted 2013-05-14 06:09:12 and read 9837 times.

Some more angles.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/222a02916c8df9500ffbe8b09c792138/tumblr_mmry5c1HmH1s7b3gjo1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/1d96790171ec150631e285276117d2c0/tumblr_mmry5c1HmH1s7b3gjo2_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/27596b98fb5ab8e64f812bb5d608432c/tumblr_mmry5c1HmH1s7b3gjo6_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/c775c4c9407d69afa407692a9c9af2e3/tumblr_mmry5c1HmH1s7b3gjo5_1280.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/58fc4b8b854039682aca39c16bf9993a/tumblr_mmry5c1HmH1s7b3gjo4_1280.jpg

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-14 06:14:24 and read 9791 times.

Excellent, find find   

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-05-14 08:11:02 and read 9665 times.

A nice tropical livery on this beautiful bird. The A330 remains a beautiful design to see.  .

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-14 08:12:49 and read 9631 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 59):
find find

I meant "nice find".

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-14 13:52:00 and read 9470 times.

Cebu Pacific just announced its first two A330 destinations in Asia with flights set to launch on July 1, 2013

More info here:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...-pacific-announces-first-a330.html

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-14 23:15:38 and read 9271 times.

GREAT NEW SHOT OF THE CEBU PACIFIC A330!


First routes will be Manila to Incheon and Manila to Singapore starting on July 1, 2013!

More information here: http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...ific-a330-worlds-first-flying.html

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-05-15 23:39:00 and read 8881 times.

Simply stunning livery and one oc the best on a A330 next to Fidji  

Sardines and Beer   that's a good one  

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2013-05-16 10:38:46 and read 8735 times.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 64):
Sardines and Beer...that's a good one

Their competitor's beer, to be exact.....

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi....jpg/305px-San_Miguel_Beer-set.jpg

And mind...neither is it LTG's brew!   

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-17 09:02:24 and read 8508 times.

More exciting news from Cebu Pacific - we have three new route launches this summer including Cebu-Masbate, Cebu-Taipei, and Manila's very first direct flight to Phuket, Thailand!

Unfortunately, these won't be A330 routes  

Read More Here:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...st-direct.html

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-05-29 13:26:53 and read 7771 times.

Cebu Pacific just announced its second A330 long haul international destination to be launched in February 2014: DOHA, QATAR.

This is an interesting move because Philippine Airlines is due to launch direct service to Doha from Manila in November 2013 and Qatar will be launching a flight from Clark to Doha on October 28 in addition to its Manila service. That is going to mean tight competition and no doubt that Cebu Pacific will drive down the airfares. Can they all survive?

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...-pacific-to-fly-to-doha-qatar.html

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: cedarjet
Posted 2013-05-29 15:46:12 and read 7635 times.

I don't know why anyone thinks they're going to fly to Australia. This operation is purely to deliver slave labour to the Persian Gulf, where all the labouring is done by Philippinos and Bangladeshis (and a few others, Pakistani and perhaps a few Burmese) and the entire white collar population have maids. All those massive skyscrapers? Not built by Emiratis. Never saw an Emirati with a hammer, paintbrush or screwdriver. Has never happened.

The slave labourers need to get to work - and home, but only every two years - as cheaply as possible. If you've been working in 45C heat up the side of a future banking HQ for two years, missing your family and risking your life and sleeping eight to a room without aircon in the middle of the desert or any other comforts, are you really going to care that much about seat pitch or not having the latest movies on IFE?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 38):
Board an A330 9 abreast with 436 seats? I´m 1.87 mts tall and 100kg. It would be a nightmare. I can already hear the DVTs forming.

Sugarplum the very fact that you're in an economic strata where you have access to the internet proves you'll never fly on this airline. Nightmare? How about having your passport confiscated and being unable to see your kids for two years and risking your life on a building site that's hotter than Mercury. That's a nightmare. Flying on Cebu Pacific is the best part of the deal - at least it's less than a billion degrees C, and you're on your way home at last.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-13 03:10:51 and read 6829 times.

Cebu Pacific has taken delivery of its first A330-300:

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...es-delivery-of-its-first-a330-300/

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-06-13 03:44:31 and read 6756 times.

Guess who else announced an all Y 333? PR starts all Y 333s to Saudi Arabia in DEC13 with 414 seats.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 68):
I don't know why anyone thinks they're going to fly to Australia. This operation is purely to deliver slave labour to the Persian Gulf, where all the labouring is done by Philippinos and Bangladeshis

   I wonder how QR/EK/EY will react since the bulk of the traffic is Philippines point of sale, and the market will go from a low fare high volume challenge to a horror story with PR/5J hoovering up most of the volume.

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-13 03:51:02 and read 6715 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 8):
Has Cebu Pacific indicated what routes it wants to fly? I assume MNL-DXB is probably high on the list?

See http://airlineroute.net/2013/05/06/5j-333-update2/

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2013-06-13 12:12:23 and read 6385 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 68):

I don't know why anyone thinks they're going to fly to Australia. This operation is purely to deliver slave labour to the Persian Gulf, where all the labouring is done by Philippinos and Bangladeshis (and a few others, Pakistani and perhaps a few Burmese) and the entire white collar population have maids. All those massive skyscrapers? Not built by Emiratis. Never saw an Emirati with a hammer, paintbrush or screwdriver. Has never happened.

The slave labourers need to get to work - and home, but only every two years - as cheaply as possible. If you've been working in 45C heat up the side of a future banking HQ for two years, missing your family and risking your life and sleeping eight to a room without aircon in the middle of the desert or any other comforts, are you really going to care that much about seat pitch or not having the latest movies on IFE?

Beacuse they have announced their intention to do so more than once!

And also, not a very educated post you had there mate. I just came home after living in the UAE for half a year, and also traveling around the region in Bahrain, Kuwait and Qatar. And I can tell you that I not even once saw a Filipino with a screwdriver or paintbrush.
The Filipinos do not execute these kinds of jobs in the middle east. I'm not saying they all make good money under decent circumstances, absolutely not, but I am saying that Filipinos are mostly deployed in hotels, restaurants malls and shops etc...
The jobs you are refering to, are made by not only Bangladeshis (as you point out), but also Pakistanis and a huge amount of Indians (funny how you left out the latter as they make up the majority of the jobs of which you're speaking).
The Indonesians are performing almost the same kind of jobs as the Filipinos.

So please, before saying things like that, look into it...

/Alex

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-06-14 02:39:10 and read 6028 times.

Anyone watching the A350 first flight video streaming, would have seen this beauty taking off on its delivery flight. Nice!   

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: dforce1
Posted 2013-06-14 02:54:21 and read 5972 times.

It's pretty cool that a historic moment for Cebu Pacific is included in a very historic moment for aviation. Nice little bit of extra publicity for the airline and the country

The A330 is now in-flight and headed for Manila. You can track it's progress live from this link:
http://www.radarbox24.com/RPC3341

This link offers some pictures of the turnover ceremony and information on its introduction into service:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...-route-to.html

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2013-06-14 06:09:26 and read 5710 times.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 74):
pictures of the turnover ceremony

I saw some some pics and videos on Facebook as there was a live event web broadcast of the delivery ceremony. Was surprised to see that there was a catholic priest doing a blessing inside and outside of the aircraft. Hope they understand what real aviation safety is about and don't rely too much on blessings.

Wonder if the planes involved in the 2 recent runway excursions were blessed as well   

Topic: RE: First A330 For Cebu Pacific
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2013-06-14 10:07:19 and read 5498 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 68):
This operation is purely to deliver slave labour to the Persian Gulf, where all the labouring is done by Philippinos and Bangladeshis (and a few others, Pakistani and perhaps a few Burmese) and the entire white collar population have maids. All those massive skyscrapers? Not built by Emiratis. Never saw an Emirati with a hammer, paintbrush or screwdriver.

They uphold the dignity of labor. Which is a lot more than can be said for indolent tramps who depend on their governments for doleouts.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 68):
Nightmare? How about having your passport confiscated and being unable to see your kids for two years and risking your life on a building site that's hotter than Mercury.

Shame on those exploiting these industrious people in such a way!

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 70):
Guess who else announced an all Y 333? PR starts all Y 333s to Saudi Arabia in DEC13 with 414 seats.

The Airbus link in #69 says that 5J's all-Y 333 is the first of just four A330s being leased from CIT. IIRC, 5J's original intended number was eight. Could it be that PR picked up the other frames (seat count reduced a bit, for 2P) and would just deduct four frames from their Airbus order?

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 70):
I wonder how QR/EK/EY will react since the bulk of the traffic is Philippines point of sale, and the market will go from a low fare high volume challenge to a horror story with PR/5J hoovering up most of the volume.

Now we'd see if this low-yield market is really worthless...and confirm if low-cost, long-haul doesn't work    .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 73):
Anyone watching the A350 first flight video streaming, would have seen this beauty taking off on its delivery flight.
.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nnzrGLkhCb...AAAYU/8Xg0I3ghdYU/s1600/5j330a.PNG

See what 5J is wishing for.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...s-next-plane-to-cross-pacific.html

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 75):
Wonder if the planes involved in the 2 recent runway excursions were blessed as well

Could have fared worse if they weren't    .


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