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Topic: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Moderators
Posted 2013-06-14 01:58:32 and read 46538 times.

It looks like part 1 got quite long really fast. So here's part 2 of the A350 first official flight thread.

Please continue discussion in this one.

You can find part 1 here: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Live Streaming (by Moderators Jun 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:00:59 and read 46615 times.

And the speed is increasing.

Speed: 247 kt (457 km/h, 284 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:02:43 and read 46588 times.

Tnanks to FR3 for their feed showing us more of the aircraft than the live Airbus program...

http://midi-pyrenees.france3.fr/

at least for the time being!

     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: thunderboltdrgn
Posted 2013-06-14 02:03:00 and read 46556 times.

anyone else having problems with the live stream?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-06-14 02:04:28 and read 46450 times.

Great first flight footage from Airbus and videos of first flights past and test pilot bios

Looking forward to the day HA gets its first A350!      

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:04:55 and read 46441 times.

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 3):

The Airbus streaming looks like it got stuck... once more!

Tried to refresh but it froze... going off and then on again!

    

[Edited 2013-06-14 02:07:40]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 02:05:20 and read 46455 times.

OK, they stay at 12500ft and make low speed clean tests at 250kt it seems, checking out how the bird reacts clean I guess.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 02:07:07 and read 46335 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):

Tnanks to FR3 for their feed showing us more of the aircraft than the live Airbus program...

I hate to say it, but these are just loops of earlier

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: thunderboltdrgn
Posted 2013-06-14 02:07:37 and read 46342 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):

The Airbus streaming looks like it got stuck... once more!

Tried to refresh but it froze...

Ok the backup stream seems to work a little better:
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/a35...irst-flight/a350-xwb-first-flight/

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 02:08:48 and read 46222 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 7):
I hate to say it, but these are just loops of earlier

that settles it, FR24 on the iPhone and coffee 

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:10:20 and read 46111 times.

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 8):
Ok the backup stream seems to work a little better:
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/a35...ight/

Thank God for FR3 Midi Pyrénées

http://midi-pyrenees.france3.fr/

at least they are showing us the aircraft, the big star of the show!

     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:12:15 and read 45953 times.

270kt now.

Speed: 270 kt (500 km/h, 311 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:12:55 and read 45949 times.

And climbing:

Altitude: 13250 ft (4039 m)
V/S: 1280 fpm

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 02:13:01 and read 45958 times.

Okay then... Have fun watching loops

Just on Twitter:

Quote:
MSN001 will be on the ground for a few days after #A350FF, then tackle initial high-speed, high-altitude testing during 2nd flight

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: moriarty
Posted 2013-06-14 02:13:24 and read 45952 times.

Yes, the secondary feed works slightly better atm. FR24 and coffe here too. It's great to be part of this historic event, even though it is remotely. It's even more great to do it with fellow enthusiasts.

What would be the expected flight time? Of course it depends on many factors, but given what they've said and done before?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:13:44 and read 45974 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 13025 ft (3970 m)

V/S: -1536 fpm

Speed: 248 kt (459 km/h, 285 mph)

Track: 61°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2626

Pos: 43.5646 / 2.2268

Radar: F-LFBO1

     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 02:16:34 and read 45701 times.

Quoting moriarty (Reply 14):
What would be the expected flight time? Of course it depends on many factors, but given what they've said and done before?

They land at about 14.00 CET, Airbus will air directly then including after flight interviews with the crew.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:18:49 and read 45576 times.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371192470_A350_XWB_First_Flight_take_off_8.jpg

The high-res pictures can be found here:
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...to-the-skies-on-its-maiden-flight/

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2013-06-14 02:20:13 and read 45548 times.

Quoting moriarty (Reply 14):
What would be the expected flight time? Of course it depends on many factors, but given what they've said and done before?

4 hours I read on the previous thread.

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:20:17 and read 45571 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 16):
They land at about 14.00 CET, Airbus will air directly then including after flight interviews with the crew.

We got to see almost all the live transmission from the chase plane on the live Airbus feed for the first A380 test flight. I wonder why it isn't the same with the A350XWB today?

Why aren't Airbus showing permanent air to air live feed?

Live means live. We expect to see the aircraft, not ground interviews!

    

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 02:21:25 and read 45450 times.

They are taking her to stall  Wow! at 13000 feet

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 02:23:07 and read 45324 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 20):
They are taking her to stall   at 13000 feet

Lowest reading I've seen was 110kt, that is in the transient but still very low, don't know it she is clean but guess so.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: A520
Posted 2013-06-14 02:23:30 and read 45313 times.

Seems to be roller coaster time over there!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:23:33 and read 45318 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 20):

showing 13225 right now

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 13225 ft (4031 m)

     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:25:24 and read 45204 times.

Airbus live feed message:

Please stand by
We are experiencing technical difficulties

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DC9qmo7roWc

 Wow!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 02:25:57 and read 46273 times.

The 15 second sampling problem is still there, 110kt might be a sampling overshoot (FR24 see a decelration and counts down with that speed until next sample), one can see that on the jumping altitudes as well.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 02:26:39 and read 46110 times.

Speed has gained back...I felt that too, stall test at 13000ft ?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: HorizonGirl
Posted 2013-06-14 02:28:38 and read 47608 times.

So I'm not the only one getting annoyed with the live feed...
In any case - congratulations to Airbus! I thought it was a beautiful airplane on the ground, but it's even more stunning in the air! Can't wait to see what flying on one is like.


Devon

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 02:28:41 and read 47677 times.

5N-BMR first to cut a A350 path  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 02:30:22 and read 47484 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 26):
Speed has gained back...I felt that too, stall test at 13000ft ?

Jupp, that is what I think (and I should want to have done before returning to landing and landing speeds, both in landing and clean config). They have 4000m to sort out any unexpected vices the lady might throw at them, much better than in the circuit (300m or less  ) .

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: moriarty
Posted 2013-06-14 02:32:52 and read 47263 times.

Seems feed is more stable now. We get to follow the flight test work now, that's better than loops =)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:35:07 and read 47158 times.

MSN1 will not go up to 43,000 ft. today.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:36:04 and read 47224 times.

Quoting moriarty (Reply 30):
We get to follow the flight test work now, that's better than loops =)

I want to see the aircraft!

  

She is heading to the mountains!

http://www.flightradar24.com/

now made another loop!

  

[Edited 2013-06-14 02:41:40]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-06-14 02:36:21 and read 47022 times.

A little question...

Are they doing these test flights in VFR, with the airspace being closed to any other (especially GA) traffic?


And then, does the flight path follow any plan?


David

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2013-06-14 02:42:03 and read 46771 times.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 33):
Are they doing these test flights in VFR, with the airspace being closed to any other (especially GA) traffic?

I´d guess they just restrict traffic on a certain range of altitude so they steer clear of the A350, just a wild guess.

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 02:42:20 and read 46773 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 32):

Didn't cross the border...took a nice U turn.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: aclco
Posted 2013-06-14 02:45:17 and read 46825 times.

In a photo that Airbus just released you can clearly see the flight data written in this flight "Order"..

T/O speeds: 145/145/170
T/O thrust: TOGA
ZFW: 171.345 kg
Ramp weight: 221.510 kg
Total fuel: 50.170 kg




eheh, something leaked  

image from here, hi res 6.8mb!!!!!!:
http://www.airbus.com/typo3conf/ext/...light_preparation_22.jpg&mode=save

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:46:04 and read 46615 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 35):
Didn't cross the border...took a nice U turn.

I was wondering if they would cross the border! I was expecting they would as they were so close but they made the loop right before!

Only wish we could see air to air feed. I am disappointed regarding this!!

  

Heading toward Carcassonne staying at about same altitude

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 13275 ft (4046 m)

V/S: -128 fpm

Speed: 314 kt (582 km/h, 361 mph)

Track: 64°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2626

Pos: 43.0672 / 2.1338

Radar: F-LFBO1

 airplane 

[Edited 2013-06-14 02:48:22]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:49:33 and read 46385 times.

Quoting aclco (Reply 36):
eheh, something leaked

Nice find!  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-06-14 02:49:34 and read 46380 times.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 33):
Are they doing these test flights in VFR, with the airspace being closed to any other (especially GA) traffic?

I remember the weather being ghastly on the day of the 787's first flight, and at least initially, they stayed just under the cloud base where there was sufficient visibility.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-06-14 02:52:50 and read 46140 times.

I wonder if the Corvette has enough legs to follow the A350 for 4 hours at low altitude. Did Airbus fit more tanks to it?

Otherwise I'm guessing it will have to pit at some point.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:53:29 and read 46150 times.

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 39):
I remember the weather being ghastly on the day of the 787's first flight, and at least initially, they stayed just under the cloud base where there was sufficient visibility.

and the live feed showed the aircraft air to air 100% of the flight duration, not interviews or videos.

I wonder why Airbus isn't doing the same today?

I expected all air to air live images!

 

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Bogi
Posted 2013-06-14 02:54:15 and read 46094 times.

See this videos
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressroom/broadcastroom

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 02:54:22 and read 46014 times.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 33):
Are they doing these test flights in VFR, with the airspace being closed to any other (especially GA) traffic?

I would guess the path is very controlled, it is in controled airspace and the ATC keeps the separation. Also the airspace under the 350 has to be clear to a very low level, they are doing low speed work including stalls so they need to plan for the worst....

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:54:23 and read 45999 times.

Speed: 309 kt (572 km/h, 356 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:55:54 and read 46064 times.

Quoting Bogi (Reply 42):
See this videos

Nice, time to download   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 02:57:05 and read 45851 times.

Speed: 374 kt (693 km/h, 430 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 02:57:19 and read 45924 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Speed: 309 kt (572 km/h, 356 mph)


I've been taking screenshots of the flight on FR24 since after take-off with all the different data and loops.

we get more data from FR24 than from Airbus!

     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2013-06-14 02:57:50 and read 45859 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 41):
I expected all air to air live images!

We know.

I don't think whining about it every five minutes changes anything.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-06-14 02:59:43 and read 45709 times.

Peter Chandler just mentioned on air that they're gonna climb to 25000 feet.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 03:02:13 and read 45620 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 43):

I would guess the path is very controlled, it is in controled airspace and the ATC keeps the separation.

You are absolutely right. Aircraft has done another loop again. They are staying within a precise flight envelope and within limits. I will post my FR24 data screenshots later.

  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 03:05:06 and read 45318 times.

Low pass (1000ft) will be at 13:50 (11:50UTC)
Landing will be at 14:00 (12:00UTC)

Didier just said in the interview the -1000 is next in 2016, maybe he misspoke or he is serious... :0

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 03:05:32 and read 45164 times.

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 49):
Peter Chandler just mentioned on air that they're gonna climb to 25000 feet.

And more importantly the chief pilot Petere Chandler said everything is going extremly well and on plan and flight schedule, they had finished all the low speed tests successfully

[Edited 2013-06-14 03:08:08]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2013-06-14 03:10:16 and read 44697 times.

Quoting Bogi (Reply 42):
See this videos

Thanks, great video... I'm sure we'll be treated to plenty of eye-candy in the coming days. Would be great to see some footage from the on-board cameras too.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 03:12:01 and read 44716 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 52):
And more importantly the chief pilot Petere Chandler said everything is going extremly well and on plan and flight schedule, they had finished all the low speed tests successfully

Thank you for the report. This is nice to hear.

They have still got almost two hours in flight.

This is the FR24 data right now:

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 13225 ft (4031 m)

V/S: -128 fpm

Speed: 324 kt (600 km/h, 373 mph)

Track: 210°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2626

Pos: 43.1824 / 1.4807

  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: HAL
Posted 2013-06-14 03:15:03 and read 44507 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 51):
Didier just said in the interview the -1000 is next in 2016, maybe he misspoke or he is serious... :0

Hmmm. Is that a clue to the fate of the -800?

HAL

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 03:16:23 and read 44327 times.

Speed: 400 kt (741 km/h, 460 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-06-14 03:16:52 and read 44349 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 52):
And more importantly the chief pilot Petere Chandler said everything is going extremly well and on plan and flight schedule

Indeed. Things seem to be running smoothly enough that I took that bit for granted 

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 03:17:52 and read 44368 times.

Quoting HAL (Reply 55):
Hmmm. Is that a clue to the fate of the -800?

I think it is pretty clear they do the -800 after the -1000, sorry HAL, you have to step up to a -900 if you want the bird early..

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: moo
Posted 2013-06-14 03:17:54 and read 44321 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 51):
Didier just said in the interview the -1000 is next in 2016, maybe he misspoke or he is serious... :0
Quoting HAL (Reply 55):
Hmmm. Is that a clue to the fate of the -800?

I thought it was common knowledge that the -800 had been bumped to behind the -1000, as no -800 customers that were left had delivery dates for before then anyway?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 03:18:14 and read 44234 times.

Quoting HAL (Reply 55):
Hmmm. Is that a clue to the fate of the -800?

No, the -800 will fly in 2015 and the -1000 in 2016. Certification follows a year later.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: astuteman
Posted 2013-06-14 03:19:25 and read 44314 times.

Quoting HAL (Reply 55):
Quoting starbucks (Reply 51):
Didier just said in the interview the -1000 is next in 2016, maybe he misspoke or he is serious... :0

Hmmm. Is that a clue to the fate of the -800?

I suspect on a day like today he's referring to the A350-1000's first flight in which case 2016 is entirely appropriate.

Edit - of course the "next" isn't  Smile

Rgds

[Edited 2013-06-14 03:20:32]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 03:23:40 and read 44091 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 59):
I thought it was common knowledge that the -800 had been bumped to behind the -1000, as no -800 customers that were left had delivery dates for before then anyway?

That is pure speculation of people here on a.net and has never been confirmed by Airbus.

> The -800 should fly at the end of 2015 and enter service by mid-2016
> The -1000 should fly at the end of 2016 ad enter service by mid-2017

First flight != EIS.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/xqhqxj.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: oly720man
Posted 2013-06-14 03:28:46 and read 43782 times.

And hot off the press..


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Langenfeld - hummelfX


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © T.Laurent

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 03:30:21 and read 43526 times.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 260):

I understand the mediatic climax has passed now, but what about us nerds?

Unfortunatly the world was not made for us nerds, time for the TV news to get back to war and cats doing funny things..

It's devolved into a long Airbus advertorial but as a geek I'm ok with that.

Proud of his extra 5 inches compared to the 787, well he would be wouldn't he  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2013-06-14 03:36:36 and read 43214 times.

I see F-WWWD has come alive as well on FR24... would they do a fly-by?  that´d be awesome!

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 03:37:51 and read 43197 times.

Sorry it may have been discussed but I would like to know, why they have got black borders for those cockpit windows? can anyone shed some light please?

Thanks.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 03:38:26 and read 43202 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 64):
Proud of his extra 5 inches compared to the 787, well he would be wouldn't he

The Dreamliner is an awesome aircraft. I am now waiting until I can be on the A350XWB first inaugural commercial flight the same I was with the Dreamliner and then I will be able to compare and tell with one I like the most between the two.

I have to say though... I really have a weakness for the Dreamliner's flexed wings!

        

[Edited 2013-06-14 03:41:18]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: cv990coronado
Posted 2013-06-14 03:39:26 and read 43137 times.

What a beautiful aircraft. Congratulations to all at Airbus and Rolls Royce. Oh so quiet and beautiful. It is just amazing how far technology has come. To be sitting here in a little village in Africa and seeing a live track and view of the maiden flight of what will probably become one of the most successful aircraft in history.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: thunderboltdrgn
Posted 2013-06-14 03:39:49 and read 43138 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 66):
Sorry it may have been discussed but I would like to know, why they have got black borders for those cockpit windows? can anyone shed some light please?

Thanks.

They actually just answered this on the live feed.
They said something like; for cool looks and something with the aerodynamics.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-06-14 03:41:01 and read 43014 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 66):
Sorry it may have been discussed but I would like to know, why they have got black borders for those cockpit windows? can anyone shed some light please?

On the live feed just a while ago it was mentioned it had something to do with shading and aerodynamics, plus the guy also said it looked cool 

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: David L
Posted 2013-06-14 03:42:33 and read 42941 times.

How frustrating. Someone tweeted a question about why the cockpit window frames are black. Finally, a definite answer, I thought. But he misunderstood the question so I'm none the wiser. D'oh!

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 69):
They actually just answered this on the live feed.

They said something like; for cool looks and something with the aerodynamics.

I think he was talking about why the windows are tinted and curved.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 03:45:49 and read 42736 times.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 65):
I see F-WWWD has come alive as well on FR24... would they do a fly-by? that´d be awesome!

FR24 has this as an A280-841 but wasn't it a GP7200 aircraft, so should be a -861. Can't have a GE engined aircraft doing the flyby with the A350 

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 03:46:39 and read 42580 times.

Is he answering in french? I can't listen at the moment...just tracking the progress of MSN1.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: keta
Posted 2013-06-14 03:47:14 and read 42608 times.

Quoting David L (Reply 71):
How frustrating. Someone tweeted a question about why the cockpit window frames are black. Finally, a definite answer, I thought. But he misunderstood the question so I'm none the wiser. D'oh!

Exactly the same feeling 
Quoting David L (Reply 71):
I think he was talking about why the windows are tinted and curved.

I think he didn't know the answer and talked generalities about the cockpit windows.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 03:51:22 and read 42329 times.

Quoting keta (Reply 74):
I think he didn't know the answer and talked generalities about the cockpit windows.

He made a valid point about shading a glare..

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: slinky09
Posted 2013-06-14 03:52:53 and read 42253 times.

Beautiful images on the stream now.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 03:53:39 and read 42105 times.

Altitude: 16950 ft (5166 m)
V/S: 2944 fpm
Speed: 420 kt (778 km/h, 483 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 03:54:53 and read 42107 times.

They've gone up higher!

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 16950 ft (5166 m)

V/S: 2944 fpm

Speed: 420 kt (778 km/h, 483 mph)

Track: 89°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2626

Pos: 43.1783 / 0.9551

Radar: F-LFBO1


     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: musang
Posted 2013-06-14 03:56:57 and read 41873 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 70):
Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 66):
Sorry it may have been discussed but I would like to know, why they have got black borders for those cockpit windows? can anyone shed some light please?

On the live feed just a while ago it was mentioned it had something to do with shading and aerodynamics, plus the guy also said it looked cool 

It certainly enhanced the look of the Dornier 228, most of which had the feature since its debut in 1981.

Regards - musang

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 03:57:01 and read 41857 times.

And climbing

Altitude: 19575 ft (5966 m)
V/S: 3456 fpm
Speed: 410 kt (759 km/h, 472 mph)

Altitude: 20000 ft (6096 m)
V/S: 3072 fpm
Speed: 409 kt (757 km/h, 471 mph)

Altitude: 20725 ft (6317 m)
V/S: 2560 fpm
Speed: 415 kt (769 km/h, 478 mph)

Altitude: 21725 ft (6622 m)
V/S: 4992 fpm
Speed: 399 kt (739 km/h, 459 mph)

Altitude: 22500 ft (6858 m)
V/S: 1280 fpm
Speed: 401 kt (743 km/h, 461 mph)

Altitude: 23250 ft (7087 m)
V/S: 2688 fpm
Speed: 413 kt (765 km/h, 475 mph)

Altitude: 24600 ft (7498 m)
V/S: 1920 fpm
Speed: 410 kt (759 km/h, 472 mph)

Altitude: 25000 ft (7620 m)
V/S: -128 fpm
Speed: 412 kt (763 km/h, 474 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 03:57:23 and read 41896 times.

Now past 25K feet

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 25025 ft (7628 m)

V/S: -256 fpm

Speed: 411 kt (761 km/h, 473 mph)

Track: 90°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2626

Pos: 43.1757 / 1.4601

     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 04:00:00 and read 41811 times.

Reaching cruise speed:

Speed: 483 kt (895 km/h, 556 mph)
Speed: 487 kt (902 km/h, 560 mph)
Speed: 491 kt (909 km/h, 565 mph)
Speed: 494 kt (915 km/h, 568 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2013-06-14 04:00:13 and read 41670 times.

Up to 25.000FT!

Airline: Airbus
Flight: AIB350
Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)
Reg: F-WXWB
Altitude: 24925 ft (7597 m)
V/S: -128 fpm
Speed: 481 kt (891 km/h, 554 mph)
Track: 147°
Hex: 38A6FB
Squawk: 2626
Pos: 43.103 / 1.9713
Radar: F-LFBO1

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: DUSint
Posted 2013-06-14 04:00:39 and read 41715 times.

Wow! It's going around 900 km/h now...  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: David L
Posted 2013-06-14 04:03:07 and read 41517 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 75):
He made a valid point about shading a glare..

That's when I realised he was talking about the windows rather than parts of the frame that aren't in the pilots' field of view.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:04:37 and read 41470 times.

They re in their third hour of flying. Another hour to go!

They have taken the aircraft higher and faster. Flight is progressing nicely.

I am taking screen shots on FR24 all along the flight to send to my absentee friend.

These will be keepers!

     

[Edited 2013-06-14 04:06:09]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 04:08:32 and read 41301 times.

Airbus just reported from the control room, the crew has cleared up to CAS 340kts at FL150 and is now climbing up to FL250 to do the same, everything is going to plan. And then "and they are enjoying themselves"   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:11:28 and read 41125 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 87):
Airbus just reported from the control room, the crew has cleared up to CAS 340kts at FL150 and is now climbing up to FL250 to do the same, everything is going to plan. And then "and they are enjoying themselves"

Thank you. Are parts of the flights being done on auto-pilot and parts of the flights on "manual" command? What would be the share between the two?

I notice they've climbed up to 25K ft and slighly higher. Also they have left the "perimeter" and flying further to the West.

    

[Edited 2013-06-14 04:12:47]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Scipio
Posted 2013-06-14 04:12:58 and read 40960 times.

Heading out to the Bay of Biscay?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-06-14 04:17:52 and read 40873 times.

This is a run at Mach .78 / 330 IAS @ FL 250

This is all done on manual flight as they do not have the data refined for the autopilot.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:18:52 and read 40670 times.

Quoting Scipio (Reply 89):

25K altitude with reduced speed at this point Wondering if they are doing stall tests at a higher altitude?

 

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 25150 ft (7666 m)

V/S: 128 fpm

Speed: 412 kt (763 km/h, 474 mph)

Track: 263°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2626

Pos: 43.6936 / -0.626

Radar: T-LESO1

  

Now making the loop toward the East again

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 04:19:01 and read 40684 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 88):
Thank you. Are parts of the flights being done on auto-pilot and parts of the flights on "manual" command? What would be the share between the two?

I would think very little of the flight is done with autopilot, the reason being the crew want to feel the aircraft and what it does in this early phase. Therefore I also think they go in and out of enhanced FWB modes, as a test pilot I would like to fly the low speed stuff in direct mode (i.e. no real damping or enhancement of the flight laws) before you know all the things about the airframe. This is the time to discover any weaknesses in it's low speed behavior at a comfortable height before the next flights without parachutes and MSNs without a possibility (the chute would only be on MSN001 we thinks) to get out.

[Edited 2013-06-14 04:21:09]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 04:19:29 and read 40638 times.

Half an hour to go till the planned low pass, we should see some descent soon I guess

Edit: also GS of 526kts!!!  Smile

[Edited 2013-06-14 04:20:38]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 04:20:17 and read 40496 times.

Quoting Scipio (Reply 89):

Nope, turning back with another U turn. Landing in another 40 mins isn't it ? this means they will try and get ready for landing now?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 04:21:19 and read 40539 times.

Speed: 507 kt (939 km/h, 583 mph)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 04:22:31 and read 40389 times.

Descend has began...Wow rapid descent that...from 25000 to 20000 within short time..

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:22:37 and read 40406 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 92):
I would think very little of the flight is done with autopilot, the reason being the crew want to feel the aircraft and what it does in this early phase. Therefore I also think they go in and out of enhanced FWB modes, as a test pilot I would like to fly the low speed stuff in direct mode (i.e. no real damping or enhancement of the flight laws) before you know all the things about the airframe. This is the time to discover any weaknesses in it's low speed behavior at a comfortable height before the next flights without parachutes and frames and without a possibility to get out.

Thank you. They have about 40 minutes to be in the air before landing.

This looks like a really nice first flight!

Congratulations to Mr. Magrin and the team. They are doing a beautiful job!

     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Scipio
Posted 2013-06-14 04:24:29 and read 40193 times.

Quoting Scipio (Reply 89):
Heading out to the Bay of Biscay?
Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 94):
Nope, turning back with another U turn. Landing in another 40 mins isn't it ? this means they will try and get ready for landing now?

Apparently. I guess they would want to stay over land on the first flight. Just in case they need those parachutes...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:30:34 and read 39819 times.

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 12125 ft (3696 m)

V/S: -256 fpm

Speed: 335 kt (620 km/h, 386 mph)

Track: 102°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2626

Pos: 43.1677 / 1.0783

Radar: F-LFBO1


30 minutes to landing!

  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-06-14 04:31:11 and read 39817 times.

That is a sexy looking aircraft, and I wish the best for the 350 XWB for many years in the future. I really can't wait until HA gets theirs. I'll be interested to see what they have in store for destinations, but if you are A or B, you just have to say WOW, on a day like today!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: curiousflyer
Posted 2013-06-14 04:36:13 and read 39314 times.

So who is the first client and when is EIS planned for?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 04:36:22 and read 39377 times.

Is anybody still watching the live feed or am I the last geek standing?

I've thoroughly enjoyed the broadcast actually, 5 hour live event about aircraft? Sure send me the link I'll put some coffee on   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:37:52 and read 39361 times.

They are at a much lower speed now

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 12250 ft (3734 m)

Speed: 232 kt (430 km/h, 267 mph)

Track: 101°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2626

Pos: 43.0492 / 1.7702

Radar: F-LFBO1

  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 04:38:23 and read 39250 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 102):
I've thoroughly enjoyed the broadcast actually, 5 hour live event about aircraft? Sure send me the link I'll put some coffee on

Still alive and kicking!!  

13 minutes till low pass

Quoting curiousflyer (Reply 101):
So who is the first client and when is EIS planned for?

Qatar, 2nd half of 2014

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-06-14 04:38:40 and read 39208 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 102):

Is anybody still watching the live feed or am I the last geek standing?

I'm still here too..  I thought it was a nice touch, interviewing the FAL employees.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: eclipz
Posted 2013-06-14 04:38:50 and read 39204 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 102):
Is anybody still watching the live feed or am I the last geek standing?

I am too... with about 16k other persons on youtube.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:38:56 and read 39258 times.

Quoting curiousflyer (Reply 101):
So who is the first client and when is EIS planned for?

Qatar Airways. I suppose second half of 2014

  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-06-14 04:39:04 and read 39274 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 102):
Is anybody still watching the live feed or am I the last geek standing?

Affirmative on the first and negative on the last    Wow!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Part147
Posted 2013-06-14 04:39:22 and read 39217 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 102):
Is anybody still watching the live feed or am I the last geek standing?

I'm still here... along with yourself and the other 16,225 watching on Youtube, and have been watching the entire flight on FR too!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 04:39:46 and read 39228 times.

Lining up now for landing/low pass.....turning 90 degree left ?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 04:43:16 and read 38922 times.

I know someone who looks so so similar to that presenter   amazing.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: raaadek
Posted 2013-06-14 04:43:26 and read 38958 times.

flightradar24.com

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-06-14 04:44:52 and read 38871 times.

IT'S COMING BACK !!
Full config and gear down

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-06-14 04:45:06 and read 38823 times.

Landing gear is down!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:46:05 and read 38747 times.

Live images again yeayyy!!!!

  

data at this point

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 10025 ft (3056 m)

V/S: -1152 fpm

Speed: 128 kt (237 km/h, 147 mph)

Track: 295°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2602

Pos: 43.163 / 1.8925

Radar: F-LFBO1

  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: eclipz
Posted 2013-06-14 04:46:35 and read 38663 times.

Gears down...
Images of the plane on the live feed...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-06-14 04:47:19 and read 38640 times.

Everything looks okay for the low pass over the rwy, apparently. Exciting!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 04:47:48 and read 38632 times.

So, descending through 8000ft now and on a loooooooong final

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Part147
Posted 2013-06-14 04:48:22 and read 38581 times.

Ah man how geeky and absorbed in this am I?

Just after the gear was locked down, the close up showed the pilot waving out to the chase plane, and my instinct was to wave back!   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 04:48:31 and read 38539 times.

Inbound

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: mighluss
Posted 2013-06-14 04:48:53 and read 38485 times.

I just saw 123 kt to 165 in FR24! maybe a stall test before returning? in the live feed seemed to climb and descend also...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 04:49:16 and read 38497 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 108):
Affirmative on the first and negative on the last Wow!

OK, I knew that you'd still be here 
Quoting Part147 (Reply 109):
and have been watching the entire flight on FR too!

Yup, also been watching her do lazy circuits of southern France..

Here she comes for the flyby!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 04:49:23 and read 38502 times.

I am watching cockpit view too on FR24   it's kool...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:49:33 and read 38551 times.

I am so happy to see that Jacques Rosay is there live on the Airbus channel!

That is the big surprise of the day!

  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 04:49:35 and read 38570 times.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-06-14 04:49:38 and read 38656 times.

The way this day test has progressed : takeoff right on sched, all the tests apparently completed successfully, I take a bet that the fly-by will happen at 14:00 on the dot, as programmed.
Any takers ?

[Edited 2013-06-14 04:51:11]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 04:50:45 and read 38711 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 120):

Thats AAF734  

We're 20 miles out, should be receiving localizer information, Glideslope reception is at 10 miles

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 04:53:14 and read 38617 times.

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2u9tvgw.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Part147
Posted 2013-06-14 04:53:57 and read 38523 times.

Quoting Pihero (Reply 126):

The way this day test has progressed : takeoff right on sched, all the tests apparently completed successfully, I take a bet that the fly-by will happen at 14:00 on the dot, as programmed.
Any takers ?

It's probably not wise to bet against anything Airbus decides to do regarding the A350  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: eclipz
Posted 2013-06-14 04:54:15 and read 38338 times.

So what ? nobody's posting anymore ? everybody's watching ? i guess so... viewers count increasing on youtube...  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 04:55:33 and read 38374 times.

Quoting eclipz (Reply 130):
So what ? nobody's posting anymore ? everybody's watching ? i guess so... viewers count increasing on youtube...

Airline: Airbus

Flight: AIB350

Aircraft: Airbus A350-941 (A359)

Reg: F-WXWB

Altitude: 2350 ft (716 m)

V/S: -1024 fpm

Speed: 189 kt (350 km/h, 217 mph)

Track: 323°

Hex: 38A6FB

Squawk: 2602

Pos: 43.535 / 1.4583

Radar: F-LFBO1

Preparing for Blagnac flyover!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 04:56:38 and read 38389 times.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/fji0pt.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:00:03 and read 38015 times.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/25hk36b.jpg



http://oi44.tinypic.com/kb6ivd.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 05:00:28 and read 37833 times.

I was expecting much lower flypass actually, any one know why she didn't come down bit more?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 05:00:59 and read 37862 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 127):
Thats AAF734

Haha real time tools, so funny..

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 124):
I am so happy to see that Jacques Rosay is there live on the Airbus channel!

Do you think we could get Airbus to do a live show each Friday with drop ins from ex pilots and program members? I'm sure it would get a fair audience, I volunteer to host it with Ferpe as a colour commentator  I may not have Paige's legs but I have as much Knowledge...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-06-14 05:01:00 and read 37862 times.

Let's see how that thing lands.

Landing is a stressful moment in the best of times, but in an unproven aircraft nobody has ever landed before and with tens of thousands of people watching, there is some added pressure...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-06-14 05:01:04 and read 37842 times.

Yes, we shut up to see her land.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:02:09 and read 37837 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 134):
I was expecting much lower flypass actually, any one know why she didn't come down bit more?


http://vine.co/v/blEDhtA7aIO

[Edited 2013-06-14 05:02:50]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-06-14 05:02:32 and read 37719 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 134):
any one know why she didn't come down bit more?

Probably because it is the first time ever she's in the air  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: zkojq
Posted 2013-06-14 05:02:44 and read 37678 times.

Lets hope for a very smooth landing.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 102):

Is anybody still watching the live feed or am I the last geek standing?

Yes, I'm watching! Wouldn't miss this for the world. Things don't get much better than this for an airbus fanboy such as myself - short of being onboard of course.

I wonder how much productivity dropped in Toulouse today. It looks like everyone has been much too busy watching the A350 to have time to build any A320s/A330s/A380s.

[Edited 2013-06-14 05:17:48]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 05:03:45 and read 37736 times.

A380 on ground showing call sign EK 138   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: slinky09
Posted 2013-06-14 05:03:58 and read 37799 times.

Here's the wing in flight

A350 wing in flight


Still on, oddly You Tube on iPad is about two minutes ahead of You Tube on my Mac ...

Looks like final approach now for landing.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-06-14 05:04:06 and read 37628 times.

I hope you're enjoying our great pilots terrible English accent 

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2013-06-14 05:04:40 and read 37661 times.

Awesome air-to-air shots... could watch this stuff all day  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-06-14 05:04:47 and read 37573 times.

On final approach!

filler filler

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:05:03 and read 37896 times.

Another bank shot:

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2mmbj3s.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: 4tet
Posted 2013-06-14 05:07:40 and read 37521 times.

What is the parachute hanging from the tail exacly?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-06-14 05:08:00 and read 37522 times.

Great landing there!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: kcljj
Posted 2013-06-14 05:08:18 and read 37273 times.

Certainly very majestic, don't know what all the hate is about! Great landing guys!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-06-14 05:08:42 and read 37243 times.

And she's home ! Great job to all involved !

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: eclipz
Posted 2013-06-14 05:08:49 and read 37273 times.

Really awesome !!!
Nice landing...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:08:47 and read 37575 times.

And back on the ground.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2ylwjlx.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 05:09:01 and read 37380 times.

They usually paint the list of customer logos isn't it ?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: moriarty
Posted 2013-06-14 05:09:10 and read 37362 times.

Congratulations Airbus on a successful first flight!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Alpage
Posted 2013-06-14 05:09:22 and read 37407 times.

Great landing...smooth, stable , perfect !!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 05:10:32 and read 37239 times.

Greased in on.. Seems to handle pretty well.

Nice job, come to the stage for a debrief with Paige and then go an get yourself a beer  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:10:38 and read 37303 times.

Lol @ flag

http://oi42.tinypic.com/evaskg.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Alpage
Posted 2013-06-14 05:11:25 and read 37120 times.

Bets are ON if she'll fly to Le Bourget next week !!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 05:12:50 and read 36941 times.

Yeah he forgot to hold flag in right direction !! lol..never mind..what a great job is that..fantastico.

Chase flight just landed too I guess.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:12:51 and read 37097 times.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/b5k5dz.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: speedbird128
Posted 2013-06-14 05:13:50 and read 36885 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 102):

Is anybody still watching

Mee tooooo!!! LOL

Been awesome to follow... I have been glued to the A350 production threat since Part 1, and many thanks to those that have been contributors to these threads with the information we were all waiting patiently for!

Very happy to see it that flew successfully. They said a couple of days to analyse the data and then it will be hop #2.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 05:13:53 and read 36885 times.

Quoting Alpage (Reply 158):
Bets are ON if she'll fly to Le Bourget next week !!

I'll take your money on that, I say she will fly over PAS next week.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 05:14:01 and read 36908 times.

Good work!

Congratulations to all involved!


     

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Alpage
Posted 2013-06-14 05:17:07 and read 36522 times.

The crew could do the Gangnam Style..or the Harlem Shake...when they come out... LMAO...(just a thought)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-06-14 05:19:42 and read 36493 times.

On the Paris Airshow: The english chap (forgot his name) said that apparantely there is no minimum flighthours requirement..... Is that correct?!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-06-14 05:21:38 and read 36182 times.

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 165):
The english chap (forgot his name) said that apparantely there is no minimum flighthours requirement..... Is that correct?!

Heard that too.... I presume he knows what the rules are..

However, no decision taken yet... only if they are totally sure that the aircraft is safe.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-06-14 05:23:19 and read 36015 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 143):
I hope you're enjoying our great pilots terrible English accent

Regardless of language proficiency, the vast amounts of knowledge and experience they have show through clearly. Deepest respect for Airbus' finest.   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: David L
Posted 2013-06-14 05:25:02 and read 35791 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 159):
Yeah he forgot to hold flag in right direction !! lol

I'm not sure how else he could have held it. It must have been designed for the other side of the aircraft or for a strong tailwind.  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: 4tet
Posted 2013-06-14 05:28:45 and read 35486 times.

Sorry to ask again, but my question has been lost in the previous messages... I wonder what is the parachute hanging from the vertical fin of the aircraft, and what is used for... Thanks guys!!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:28:47 and read 35584 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 159):
Yeah he forgot to hold flag in right direction

Perhaps the pilot is British   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 05:29:40 and read 35513 times.

Quoting 4tet (Reply 169):
Sorry to ask again, but my question has been lost in the previous messages... I wonder what is the parachute hanging from the vertical fin of the aircraft, and what is used for... Thanks guys!!

Air pressure sensor..

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 05:31:04 and read 35364 times.

Are there more number of 'Pitot' tubes than normal aircraft? I can see atleast 8 !!!! why is that ?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-06-14 05:33:07 and read 35313 times.

The Asian woman we saw with her phone is Fleur Pellerin, Minister Delegate with responsibility for Small and Medium Enterprises, Innovation, and the Digital Economy.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:37:20 and read 35128 times.

Here, Enders and Brégier very relaxed with their sunglasses on:

http://oi39.tinypic.com/31506f7.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 05:39:57 and read 34969 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 172):
Are there more number of 'Pitot' tubes than normal aircraft? I can see atleast 8 !!!! why is that ?

The A380 has 9, A350 XWB seems to have 10 so not many more..

777 seems to have 9 also, its just that the XWB has them all so close together.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: David L
Posted 2013-06-14 05:40:20 and read 34781 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 172):
Are there more number of 'Pitot' tubes than normal aircraft? I can see atleast 8 !!!! why is that ?

There was some discussion about that in Tech/Ops:

Probes On Nose Of A350XWB (by hivue May 14 2013 in Tech Ops)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:40:42 and read 35032 times.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/iwlllg.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:42:08 and read 34955 times.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/dm2loh.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 05:42:36 and read 35059 times.

The one thing that didn't work on the first flight? The door handle apparently!

Ah there we go, just needed to jiggle it a bit  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 05:43:51 and read 34738 times.

AWWWW what a proud and emotional moment is that..hugging your CEO, family, kids, grandkids may be....fantastic..

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-14 05:45:30 and read 34548 times.

Cheers for Pitot tube reply guys !

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 05:50:50 and read 34266 times.

The most advanced civilian airliner in the world?

That is a tad bit arrogant in my opinion!

I will defy them to try and get this A350XWB aircraft to cross the Atlantic in a little over three hours time!!!

 Wow!  Wow!     Wow!  Wow!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:52:56 and read 33981 times.

The test pilot with the Italian accent sounds very funny, it's like meeting Captain Alberto Bertorelli in a new episode of Allo Allo.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-06-14 05:56:48 and read 33706 times.

Huge praise from the test pilot to the engine manufacturers..

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 05:57:11 and read 33848 times.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMuMvIiCQAAyOYY.jpg:large

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2013-06-14 05:57:19 and read 33717 times.

Congrats on the success of the first flight.   

Hopefully, just over four years from now United Airlines A350XWB-900's will be flying from San Francisco to eastern Asian destinations.  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: dan23
Posted 2013-06-14 06:00:25 and read 33429 times.

Gee that landing really was a ripper. Superb stuff and in picture perfect lighting and conditions.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Alpage
Posted 2013-06-14 06:00:38 and read 33600 times.

Beautiful video made by Airbus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U6IJ-LS3Xs

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 06:01:55 and read 33538 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 185):

Thats the money shot..

JL is so happy he looks like he could burst, any bets on A350 commitments for PAS, looks like AF/KLM will at least firm up their 25 + 30 options

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-06-14 06:03:54 and read 33415 times.

A bit late, but great landing by the pilots! After finally seeing he A350 fly I can say its a really beautiful aircraft  . Though, I still have an issue with the landing gear. I just think the nose gear is just a bit far forward and the main gear tilt, im not sure why they did it like that, i was really hoping it would be like the A330 main gear. Is there some advantage having it like that? Either way, still a beautiful plane 

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: autothrust
Posted 2013-06-14 06:05:29 and read 33225 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 182):
The most advanced civilian airliner in the world?

That is a tad bit arrogant in my opinion!

Depends in many areas it's true, the cockpit and avionics sure are the most advanced. Also the engines.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: JimJupiter
Posted 2013-06-14 06:07:05 and read 33126 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 183):
Captain Alberto Bertorelli

   Made my day!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: A388
Posted 2013-06-14 06:08:49 and read 33042 times.

Quoting Alpage (Reply 188):
Beautiful video made by Airbus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U6IJ...LS3Xs

Indeed beautiful. Why do the pilots keep the landing gear down during the (entire) first flight? I assume there's a reason for this (drag analysis?)?

A388

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: eclipz
Posted 2013-06-14 06:09:50 and read 33025 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 193):
Why do the pilots keep the landing gear down during the (entire) first flight?

They didn't, gear has been retracted.

[Edited 2013-06-14 06:10:33]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 06:15:52 and read 32765 times.

The test team wanted to do a 6 hour FF but CEO limited them to 4.

Huge confidence in the aircraft but also good program control...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: astuteman
Posted 2013-06-14 06:19:48 and read 32484 times.

That looked like an absolutely awesome first flight.
Great great job by all involved, and a great moment for the programme.

  

I'm no expert, but they seemed to get through a lot of tests on that flight.
opening the envelope for Paris maybe?  

Rgds

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-14 06:20:10 and read 32411 times.

Quoting autothrust (Reply 191):
avionics sure are the most advanced. Also the engines.

2013 vs. 1969 I still prefer 1969

I take Concorde's design over any other aircraft design and the Olympii 593 over any Trents.
I thank Rolls Royce for both.

we have a different idea of what "advanced" means!

Sorry for diverging slightly but I had to answer.

     

let's go back to the A350XWB...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Unflug
Posted 2013-06-14 06:20:28 and read 32352 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 193):
Why do the pilots keep the landing gear down during the (entire) first flight? I assume there's a reason for this (drag analysis?)?

It wasn't down for the while flight, but for the initial part of the flight. Explanation was given further up in this thread.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 06:23:23 and read 32423 times.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371206747_A350_XWB_air_to_air_first_flight_3.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 06:30:01 and read 32125 times.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371206746_A350_XWB_air_to_air_first_flight_2.jpg



http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371206744_A350_XWB_air_to_air_first_flight_1.jpg



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-68JTgAeSEpU/Ubr9OJ3pBFI/AAAAAAAAFDY/_K_xJhuhyFM/s1600/A350_XWB_First_Flight_take_off_4.jpg



http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371206750_A350_XWB_air_to_air_first_flight_6.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-06-14 06:31:46 and read 31988 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 197):
we have a different idea of what "advanced" means!

That is quite obvious : the Concorde is a lot closer to the Caravelle than to any modern airliner I know.
The Olympus would not be certified today, both in terms of technology and *green* concerns. ( Their main use is to pressurize oil wells in Arabia, now...)
And its economics... well, shall we discuss them ?

[Edited 2013-06-14 06:33:26]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: kmz
Posted 2013-06-14 06:32:48 and read 32033 times.

thanx for the screen shots everybody.

Had no video coverage here in my !*)/&"! office ;-(

Were the flaps/slats also retracted during flight? I assume for the high speed tests, right?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 06:36:38 and read 31886 times.

Quoting kmz (Reply 202):
Were the flaps/slats also retracted during flight? I assume for the high speed tests, right?

I believe there was a screenshot of the clean aircraft as well... Or am I mistaken?

Yes, everything went up and in!!  
The complete 5h46min streaming video is now available on YT too!!  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-06-14 06:39:10 and read 31752 times.

Got myself a new desktop background as well!  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: kaitak
Posted 2013-06-14 06:39:46 and read 31708 times.

Quoting kmz (Reply 202):
Were the flaps/slats also retracted during flight? I assume for the high speed tests, right?

Absolutely; they went up to a fairly high altitude and they would have wanted to test every configuration of the flaps, as well as other control surfaces.

Just saw the landing of the aircraft at Toulouse ... very impressive; the undercarriage does not have the droop that is so evident on the A330, but it looks very well on finals nonetheless; it is certainly sleek.

Hopefully next week will bring the program some good news; Boeing has said that this year's Paris air show will be a "widebody" event, so I hope that Airbus has some announcements to make.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: speedbird128
Posted 2013-06-14 06:41:10 and read 31626 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 197):
we have a different idea of what "advanced" means!

Utlimate technological advances leading to long-term sustainability.

One has proven itself unable. The other has yet to. Odds are more in it's favour though.

No disrespect to Concorde, she was way ahead of her game. It really was (in my opinion, and including 787/350) the only true revolutionary aircraft. However she is gone. And will remain so.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: william
Posted 2013-06-14 06:43:45 and read 31556 times.

Kudos to Airbus for their coverage it was awesome, and informative. Does Boeing does this? I don't think so.............Again Kudos to the broadcast team,coverage and quality.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: kmz
Posted 2013-06-14 06:44:49 and read 31446 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 203):
The complete 5h46min streaming video is now available on YT too!!

perfect

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 06:46:37 and read 31673 times.

Here are a few pictures of Clément Alloing, one of the TLS spotters:







http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Bogi
Posted 2013-06-14 06:57:03 and read 31118 times.

"A380 XWB", drunk already?

Quote:
In completing its 4-hour, 5-minute maiden mission, the A380 XWB performed a flyby of Toulouse-Blagnac Airport before landing on Runway 32L to applause and cheers.
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...light-fantasticimpressiveand-quiet

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 06:58:17 and read 30937 times.

Quoting Bogi (Reply 210):
"A380 XWB", drunk already?

Someone is already drinking the champagne  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: falkerker
Posted 2013-06-14 07:00:27 and read 30869 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 182):
I will defy them to try and get this A350XWB aircraft to cross the Atlantic in a little over three hours time!!!

Where does "most advanced" mean "fastest". Concorde was way ahead of its time, but if you want to bash them for saying A350 is the most advanced, perhaps you should discuss that the B788 is. The concorde was the fastest and was ahead of its time, were it the most advanced, they would have solved its problems and it wouldnt be hanging from a pole in a museum.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 07:18:09 and read 30259 times.

Quoting Bogi (Reply 210):
"A380 XWB", drunk already?


Hey you can't get anymore XWB than an A380..

I think that work for Airbus employees was probably waved off early I'd also imagine that the bars of Toulouse are going to be full tonight 

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: AA777
Posted 2013-06-14 07:20:42 and read 30115 times.

Looks great. Congrats to Airbus! It's a win-win every time a new bird has its first flight successfully.

-AA777

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Revelation
Posted 2013-06-14 07:42:12 and read 29408 times.

Just watched the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKX1G2LNohs - takeoff around 2:20 - and it's marvelous!

What a beautiful aircraft!

Congrats to Airbus for a job well done!

They've finally gotten their big twin off the ground and ready for action!  

Looking forward to the billions of pax seat-miles as well as 'bon voyages' she will be providing to countless people!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Pygmalion
Posted 2013-06-14 07:43:06 and read 29231 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 209):

beautiful airplane. Congratulations!

I was hoping for more wing up swept curve during flight with the composite wing ala 787... maybe it will have more loaded up?

In any case. Great looking airplane

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ER757
Posted 2013-06-14 07:45:34 and read 29199 times.

Congrats to Airbus - well done!! What a beautiful lady   

A great day for all of us who love shiny new flying toys,can't wait til it's in service and can see one for myself   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-06-14 07:52:11 and read 29026 times.

Is there already information if Boeing sent the usual congratulations and if yes what they wrote? I really liked what Airbus wrote to Boeing on 7-8-7.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-06-14 07:56:56 and read 28901 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 218):

They have. They wrote on twitter the following:

"We congratulate @Airbus on todays first flight achievement."

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-06-14 08:04:06 and read 28463 times.

She is a beauty. Congratulations Airbus. Great Job.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: NAV20
Posted 2013-06-14 08:04:17 and read 28531 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 215):
Congrats to Airbus for a job well done!

Yes indeed! A very well-executed program and, no doubt, the 'just reward' of a maximum-publicity Paris flyby next week.........

Plus a nice-looking aeroplane. Maybe the 787 still 'has the edge' in the looks department, but only by 'a short head.'  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-14 08:06:55 and read 28496 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 203):
The complete 5h46min streaming video is now available on YT too!!

Do you have the url? I can't find it.

/edit

Nevermind, found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DC9qmo7roWc

[Edited 2013-06-14 08:14:23]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-06-14 08:19:35 and read 28072 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 219):

Thank you for your reply. Very brief congratulation from Boeing but I guess that's how you do it on twitter.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-06-14 08:19:43 and read 28059 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 213):
I'd also imagine that the bars of Toulouse are going to be full tonight 

Not that they wouldn't already be on an average Friday evening. But shifting the average bar population from drunken university students and rugby players to drunken Airbus engineers and technicians is always a slight step up...   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2013-06-14 08:22:48 and read 27925 times.

Even in replay we can sense the energy and the excitement. A great day in aviation.

One of my students comments, "Are 'raccoon' windscreens a thing of the future?"  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-06-14 08:25:20 and read 27939 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 223):

Yup. I also forgot to mention that Bombardier sent their congrats as well:

"@Airbus congrats on Successful A350 first flight!" They wrote the same in french as well.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: garynor
Posted 2013-06-14 08:30:24 and read 28100 times.

Side tracking a bit: Was there a video of the A300 test flight landing that was a bit difficult due to crosswind? Can anyone point me to it (or timestamp in FF vid)? Thanks.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ghifty
Posted 2013-06-14 08:51:06 and read 27494 times.

Her gear tips forward, like the 767!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ODwyerPW
Posted 2013-06-14 09:06:46 and read 27052 times.

Very nice presentation. Thank you all for sharing the video links and the still photos. I did not expect here to fly so fast the first time out. Very cool.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Navigator
Posted 2013-06-14 09:14:46 and read 26927 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 221):
Plus a nice-looking aeroplane. Maybe the 787 still 'has the edge' in the looks department, but only by 'a short head.'

I think the A350 is the better looking plane apart from the nose. The 787 looks fatter and has a too low landing gear in my taste. I think the A350 has the edge by far and if they adjust the nose a bit is would look splendid.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-06-14 09:23:33 and read 26616 times.

The pointy nose is disconcerting but I expect we'll get used to it, after all if it's more aerodynamic then it's better. The 788 definitely looks chubby, the longer versions should be better, and if the A358 is made it will have the same problem.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Alpage
Posted 2013-06-14 09:28:11 and read 26572 times.

Video showing the landing gear retraction...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqyBZeF6rQ

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 09:30:02 and read 26660 times.

Quoting garynor (Reply 227):
Side tracking a bit: Was there a video of the A300 test flight landing that was a bit difficult due to crosswind? Can anyone point me to it (or timestamp in FF vid)? Thanks.

30:13 Really bad landing!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: zeke
Posted 2013-06-14 09:41:23 and read 26290 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 233):
30:13 Really bad landing!

How many times have you landed a commercial airliner beyond its recommended crosswind limit on its first flight ?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: FirstClass
Posted 2013-06-14 09:48:59 and read 25958 times.

Congrats to the XWB team - looking forward to flying on this sexy plane - loved the coverage just thought that the Marketing guy had no idea when he spoke about the black cockpit windows to enhance aerodynamics

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 09:51:01 and read 25979 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 234):
How many times have you landed a commercial airliner beyond its recommended crosswind limit on its first flight ?

There were clearly reasons for it, as there were reasons for the no flair landing on MSN1, and yes the airframe survived undoubtedly undamaged but looked at objectively that is not a good landing.

And if it was beyond its recommended crosswind limit then he shouldn't have done it.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: holzmann
Posted 2013-06-14 09:51:12 and read 26089 times.

You can't visually compare the 787-8 to the A350-900. Let's see the 787-10 next week  

Both are beautiful machines with a few quirks.

Neither looks as good as the 757-200 ETOPS with sharklets.

The 777-9X could trump them all if done right  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: flanker
Posted 2013-06-14 09:52:51 and read 25886 times.

I love the black around the windows. Makes it look like the Orbiter!!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: SEPilot
Posted 2013-06-14 10:03:25 and read 25843 times.

As a die-hard Boeing fan I have to laud Airbus for an impressive achievement in bringing the A350 into the skies with none of the embarrassments that accompanied the 787. Yes, there were delays, but in a venture of this magnitude it would be astonishing if there weren't any. Well done!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Navigator
Posted 2013-06-14 10:05:43 and read 25724 times.

It was no problem with the landing. With a long tele lens the landing will look worse than it really is. This was a by the book touch down.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: GDB
Posted 2013-06-14 10:57:18 and read 24533 times.

Very nice indeed, impressive, rather sleek in fact.
So pleased that BA have ordered the -1000 variant too.

Quoting speedbird128 (Reply 206):
Utlimate technological advances leading to long-term sustainability.

One has proven itself unable. The other has yet to. Odds are more in it's favour though.

No disrespect to Concorde, she was way ahead of her game. It really was (in my opinion, and including 787/350) the only true revolutionary aircraft. However she is gone. And will remain so.

I have to agree, though I'd also add Comet, 707, Caravelle, 747 as revolutionary too!

Perhaps the best of looking at Madame's point, from my POV at least, is from when NASA Shuttle contractors, United Space Alliance, visited us in BA Concorde Engineering in late 1998 (they came to share experience of sustaining, spares provision, dealing with vendors for very small fleets of unique air vehicles).
They regarded Concorde as 'the UK and France's Apollo program'.
Same era, technologically challenging, unique and with no direct follow on program.
Both also had a heavy political aspect to them.

So really, I don't think it's fair to compare ANY other airliner to Concorde.
They just are not conceived, designed, built in the same way.

The A350 is, at least with the 787 too, the pinnacle of a practical and efficient design in the mid sized class.
20% more efficient than other, still fairly modern, airliners from both is an achievement while not as 'sexy' as Mach 2, is still a major accomplishment.

Though of course there is the FBW system, heir to what was originally launched on the A320, which itself was developed from the hybrid system from Concorde.
The A320 made Airbus the company it is now, an unlikely looking but real beneficiary of the British and French SST adventure.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Scipio
Posted 2013-06-14 11:06:36 and read 24363 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 190):
I just think the nose gear is just a bit far forward and the main gear tilt, im not sure why they did it like that

The further forward you put the nose gear, the more useful space you have in the cargo hold.

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 142):
Here's the wing in flight
Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 216):
I was hoping for more wing up swept curve during flight with the composite wing ala 787...

The wings are definitely a lot stiffer than those of the B787. I had expected them to bend more in flight, especially after having seen the pictures of the wing flex tests. Different design philosophy?

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 221):
Plus a nice-looking aeroplane. Maybe the 787 still 'has the edge' in the looks department, but only by 'a short head.'  
Quoting Navigator (Reply 230):
The 787 looks fatter and has a too low landing gear in my taste.

To my taste, the B788 wins on wings - the flex looks great, and on engine nacelles. However, the A359 wins on overall elegance and sleekness, nose, wingtips, and undercarriage.

Overall, between the B788 and the A359, I find the latter the prettier girl.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 61):
Edit - of course the "next" isn't  

The "next" is the news  

However, for us, "next" is the CS-100. Then the B789. We're being spoiled this year  


Congratulations to Airbus and its staff, and thanks for the hard work that gave us this beautiful girl. She is gorgeous when she is where she belongs: in the sky.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: packsonflight
Posted 2013-06-14 11:41:36 and read 23547 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 236):
And if it was beyond its recommended crosswind limit then he shouldn't have done it.

There is no recommended crosswind limit on an aircraft that has not bin certified yet

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: SASDC8
Posted 2013-06-14 11:54:42 and read 23336 times.

She looks absolutly asthonishing with the gear retrackted 

Congratulation to Airbus and everyone involved with the program. You can be very proud today!

Cheers

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 11:55:51 and read 23305 times.

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 243):
There is no recommended crosswind limit on an aircraft that has not bin certified yet

There would be a design limit that is tested to and validated or not.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-06-14 11:57:04 and read 23401 times.

For those who missed it, the full 5:45 hours live webcast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC9qmo7roWc

If you want to the skip the banter:

00:18:10 - Legs
00:28:57 - Hilarious door close
00:29:20 - Push-back-cam
00:29:34 - Legs
00:30:10 - WWWHHOOAA!
01:00:35 - "Frank, I have a question that I'm dying to ask you..."
01:01:20 - Take-off!!!
01:02:19 - "I do believe we have take-off!"
01:06:55 - JL in full sales mode
01:11:35 - Cool pitch manoeuvres
01:12:35 - Awesome take-off replay - lovely engine spooling of the chase plane
01:32:44 - Naughty Wolfgang making his move
01:33:50 - Chase plane footage with roll manoeuvres and gear retract!
02:24:10 - Peter Chandler from the cockpit
04:02:00 - Sleek, clean and very pretty A350 from the chase plane
04:14:00 - Gears down!
04:14:19 - "Frank, what's happening here?!"
04:21:20 - Just beautiful... (approach from chase plane)
04:34:10 - On final approach
04:35:44 - Greaser
05:14:00 - Well deserved back-patting galore
05:18:20 - Comments from Peter Chandler
05:20:10 - "Ze Baby, My Baby, Your Baby!!"
05:35:00 - Crew on stage - comments on the first flight
05:35:04 - Legs

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: goosebayguy
Posted 2013-06-14 12:18:05 and read 22902 times.

Anyone know if it will be flying over the weekend? After all it needs to do 11 hours in order to attend the Paris airshow. How soon will it clock 11 hours up I wonder?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Scipio
Posted 2013-06-14 12:27:22 and read 22714 times.

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 244):
Congratulation to Airbus and everyone involved with the program. You can be very proud today!

You're absolutely right. Congratulations and thanks not only to Airbus and their staff, but also to the suppliers and their staff. Not in the least the people at Rolls-Royce.

I hope all of you are too drunk to read this until Sunday!  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: thunderboltdrgn
Posted 2013-06-14 13:00:32 and read 22018 times.

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 247):
Anyone know if it will be flying over the weekend? After all it needs to do 11 hours in order to attend the Paris airshow. How soon will it clock 11 hours up I wonder?

Well Airbus representatives said that there are no specific amount of flight testing hours
needed, its down to Airbus themselves to decide but that Airbus would not do a fly over
until they were absolutely certain that the plan was 100% safe.

At least that is how I understood it.

[Edited 2013-06-14 13:01:22]

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: hannahpa
Posted 2013-06-14 13:08:48 and read 21817 times.

I was hoping to hear the sound of the engines, rather than the music. When will we get to hear the engines at take-off???

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-06-14 13:20:58 and read 21668 times.

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 249):
At least that is how I understood it.

I heard the same

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 250):
When will we get to hear the engines at take-off???

According to JL you can't  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-06-14 13:24:05 and read 21976 times.

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 246):
For those who missed it

Well summarized travelavnut. Great video though, so much to go through. Airbus does an excellent job connecting with the broader community and you can tell by watching these videos that all of these people love what they do. Very exciting day.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: astuteman
Posted 2013-06-14 13:37:50 and read 21842 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 213):
Hey you can't get anymore XWB than an A380..

LOL. And so what an appropriate engine the XWB would be for it eh?  
Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 216):
I was hoping for more wing up swept curve during flight with the composite wing ala 787... maybe it will have more loaded up?

That'll be because it's so overbuilt I guess  
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 239):
Yes, there were delays, but in a venture of this magnitude it would be astonishing if there weren't any. Well done!

The key for me here is that instead of piling delay on delay, for about 2 years now the programme seems to have tracked very nearly as planned, and Mid 2014 EIS still looks on the cards.
It was pleasing to hear the flight crew say just how mature the aircraft was when they received it.
Bodes well.
Of course it's not over yet  

Rgds

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: gasman
Posted 2013-06-14 13:38:38 and read 21904 times.

I'm a big Boeing fan. But could the A350 in fact be the most beautiful airliner built since the 1970's? It is magnificent.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: kmz
Posted 2013-06-14 14:25:17 and read 21022 times.

i am a little disappointing the way the big guys acted once the door was opened after landing. instead of letting the test crew enjoy the moment and tell every body what the flight was like, the white shirts race up the gangway, trying to be on tv and talk on forever until finally alonso gets to say something....

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-06-14 15:20:30 and read 20131 times.

I'm impressed how quickly they went from the paint shop to first flight. Kudos to all at Airbus...nicely done.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2013-06-14 19:30:26 and read 17993 times.

A few new pics from Airbus...

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371213936_A350_XWB_after_first_landing.jpg

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371213941_A350_XWB_after_first_landing4.jpg

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371213944_A350_XWB_after_first_landing6.jpg

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371213945_A350_XWB_after_first_landing7.jpg

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371213946_A350_XWB_after_first_landing8.jpg

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371213947_A350_XWB_after_first_landing9.jpg

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 258):
Really? In this thread...?

   amazing, really.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-14 20:35:54 and read 17554 times.

BBC report about the RR Trent XWB that got the A350 into the air

First time the press has been allowed onto the assembly line apparently, good shots and information.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22904823

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: billreid
Posted 2013-06-14 22:05:14 and read 16880 times.

Anyone know what the window dimensions are. They look about the same as the 330?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-06-14 22:53:01 and read 16492 times.

Concorde was a SST, while the A350 is a large subsonic passenger aircraft. Today, it is a gorgeous antique. To compare the two makes little sense.

My take:

I would go nuts if I had to sit in Concorde for anything longer than a TATL leg.

The A350 is far more advanced technologically over Concorde:
No annoying roar in the cabin.. Nice big windows.
The Trents are to the Olympus gas-guzzlers what Windows is to DOS.
Modern Materials Science concepts used in 350 construction. 2013 vs. 1969.
Much more room for non-midgets in the premium cabins.
State of the art in every aspect of passenger aircraft engineering, including gazillion lines of software.

Nevertheless, the 350 is a triumph of incremental technology, and is not the technology leap that Concorde was.

Concorde was a beautiful aircraft, a pinnacle of industrial design. But it is also much loved by status-seeking groupies, who show up at Polo matches, F1 races and generally wherever the rich and famous hang out. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: deltaflyertoo
Posted 2013-06-14 22:54:19 and read 16521 times.

Quoting gasman (Reply 254):

I'm a big Boeing fan. But could the A350 in fact be the most beautiful airliner built since the 1970's? It is magnificent.

Lol, I'm a die hard Airbus fan but respectfully disagree. I think the A350 lacks in the looks dept, especially the tail. I'll miss the A330/340 series tails (was hoping the A350s would get). It looks somehow disproportionate to the rest of the body of the plane.

Looking forward to seeing what both the 787-1 and 350-1000 look like.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: seachaz
Posted 2013-06-14 23:07:27 and read 16381 times.

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 261):
Lol, I'm a die hard Airbus fan but respectfully disagree. I think the A350 lacks in the looks dept, especially the tail.

I'll agree with you in general but problem is not the the tail but the nose - the nose gear is just way to far forward and the windscreen looks like some sort of bad super hero mask. The one angle the A350 excels at though is from direct nose on - gear up or down it looks impressive. From the side profile perspective with the gear down though it's just not working for me. Also whats the deal with the wide separation on the tires for the mains?

Regardless still impressed on the turn around time from roll-out till first flight for Airbus.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: seachaz
Posted 2013-06-14 23:23:21 and read 16213 times.

To followup on my own post what is next closest wide-body to have the nose gear so far forward on the fuselage compared to the position of the Captain and FO?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: solnabo
Posted 2013-06-15 00:36:42 and read 15481 times.

Curious question:

A350-family flies only w the Trent 1000 engines, other engines type to choose , *GEnx / CFM ??

Cheers

//Mike   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-06-15 03:37:04 and read 14134 times.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 266):
Curious question:

A350-family flies only w the Trent 1000 engines, other engines type to choose , *GEnx / CFM ??

Cheers

//Mike

It flies only the Trent XWB engine, there are no other choices offered.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: GDB
Posted 2013-06-15 03:48:53 and read 14029 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 260):
Concorde was a beautiful aircraft, a pinnacle of industrial design. But it is also much loved by status-seeking groupies, who show up at Polo matches, F1 races and generally wherever the rich and famous hang out. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Well.......around 80-85% of the pax on Concorde were regular business customers, the rest being upgrades, people treating themselves, competition winners, then a few celebs. Of course the media focussed on the latter.
But I agree with your general points - not that I ever found the cabin cramped really.

Looks wise, your always going to a be a bit constrained by the generic configuration of modern airliners, though I think the A350 looks good.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-06-15 06:04:51 and read 13474 times.

Quoting GDB (Reply 269):
Looks wise, your always going to a be a bit constrained by the generic configuration of modern airliners, though I think the A350 looks good.

So true - except for the 380, they mostly look the same. I guess only so many ways to configure a twin jet!

I also agree with you about the cabin, since I'm only 5' 6" but my taller friends had a harder time.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: ZEDZAG
Posted 2013-06-15 07:20:21 and read 13103 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 268):
Quoting solnabo (Reply 266):
Curious question:

A350-family flies only w the Trent 1000 engines, other engines type to choose , *GEnx / CFM ??

Cheers

//Mike

It flies only the Trent XWB engine, there are no other choices offered.


Offered yet, there were talks about GE will offer GENx for -800 and -900, the -1000 is locked out by RR

So does anybody have any new info on this??

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: aviatorcraig
Posted 2013-06-15 12:58:20 and read 11931 times.

I don't think the 787 and A350 look THAT much different - there I said it!

The Boeing 727 is a looker but alas in the twilight of its life. If we are talking about all-time gorgeous planes, for me it has to be the VC-10 - it looked and sounded like a real plane should, although like its contemporaries it was inefficient and an environmental disaster, But that didn't matter then!

I love the cutting edge technological brilliance and uber-efficiency of the B787 and A350, but the older jets had a soul.

I'll shut up now, I'm clearly showing my age!   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-15 13:47:02 and read 11677 times.

A picture after rotation:

http://spotters.net.ua/file/?id=79888&size=large

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: speedbird128
Posted 2013-06-15 14:22:32 and read 11540 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 256):
I'm impressed how quickly they went from the paint shop to first flight

That is what I found amazing too. No mess no fuss. Clearly they used the delays earlier in the program to nail down what needed to be done, and GET IT DONE. No CATIA mishaps. No home depot purchases.

Kudos from me to what looks like a pretty well managed program. I feel a drive to TLS coming on...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: hannahpa
Posted 2013-06-15 15:24:13 and read 11314 times.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 274):
A380: Will look great in a A380-900 configuration, From the front it looks not too bad, but it is too short.

Agreed!! My thoughts exactly. This is why I REALLY HOPE that Airbus builds the 380-900. Just have to wait. I hope the golbal economy improves greatly in the next 2-3 years to make it happen by 2020.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: art
Posted 2013-06-15 15:40:41 and read 11228 times.

If it has not been asked, when is second flight due?

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: rcair1
Posted 2013-06-15 16:21:20 and read 11116 times.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 274):
A350 - I think it looks nice, just not in the all-white Airbus livery.

Good point - the Boeing livery is much nicer. The 350 may be suffering from that. It'll be nice to see her dressed.

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 275):
The Boeing 727 is a looker but alas in the twilight of its life.

Showing my age too - my introduction to aviation was on the 727 - DEN-SEA-ANC with stops in Ketchikan, Sitka, Juneau, Fairbanks. All Alaska Air.

Quoting speedbird128 (Reply 277):
That is what I found amazing too. No mess no fuss

Yes - very well done. No drama - which is a good thing.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: gasman
Posted 2013-06-15 23:27:42 and read 10410 times.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 272):
Quoting gasman (Reply 254):
I'm a big Boeing fan. But could the A350 in fact be the most beautiful airliner built since the 1970's? It is magnificent.
Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 261):
Lol, I'm a die hard Airbus fan but respectfully disagree.

What a riot.... and great.

The more I look, the more I like it. Those winglets are works of art. As is the nose - sure, it looks unusual now but then so did the 707 nose when it first came out. Another thing I like about this aircraft is that it's just slightly narrower than the 787 - so greedy airlines should be dissuaded from trying to seat 9 abreast in it.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: slinky09
Posted 2013-06-16 00:20:29 and read 10206 times.

Quoting gasman (Reply 282):
Another thing I like about this aircraft is that it's just slightly narrower than the 787 - so greedy airlines should be dissuaded from trying to seat 9 abreast in it.

Isn't the A350 cabin width 19'6" compared to the B787's 18'11"? I couldnt quickly see the internal diameter though ...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: gasman
Posted 2013-06-16 00:27:48 and read 10412 times.

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 283):
Isn't the A350 cabin width 19'6" compared to the B787's 18'11"? I couldnt quickly see the internal diameter though ...

You're right. I was looking at a diagram which appears to be incorrect. Ah well, at least 9 abreast will be more appropriate than it will be on a 787.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: flyhigh@tom
Posted 2013-06-16 00:31:43 and read 10400 times.

Quoting gasman (Reply 282):
Another thing I like about this aircraft is that it's just slightly narrower than the 787 - so greedy airlines should be dissuaded from trying to seat 9 abreast in it.

i guess you meant slightly wider? the A350 is slightly wider at 5 inches more than the B787. the standard seating config for the A350 should be 9 across...but LCCs may go 10 across i guess....

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-06-16 02:13:24 and read 9970 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 281):
Agree! They should also have given the 350 a name like the 787

"Dreamliner" certainly gave the knockers plenty of opportunity for schoolboy humour, perhaps best to stick to numbers.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: flyhigh@tom
Posted 2013-06-16 03:10:01 and read 9740 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 257):
A few new pics from Airbus...
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi..._A350_XWB_after_first_landing7.jpg

absolutely love the top down look of the 350   

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Beeski
Posted 2013-06-16 04:50:21 and read 9364 times.

good question re: when is 2nd flight.
Hope it does a fly-by of the Paris air show.
Congrats to Airbus....as was stated earlier, a stunningly executed roll-out to first flight.
The A380 / B787 experiences had me losing my faith in aerospace engineering / project management.
Am I the only one who thinks 757 when looking at the proportions of the A350-900?
Regardless, it is a good looking plane!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-06-16 08:25:26 and read 8794 times.

Quoting Beeski (Reply 281):
The A380 / B787 experiences had me losing my faith in aerospace engineering / project management.

One of the A350 pilots / project managers said at the end of the first flight that he was proud to bring confidence back into the aviation sector.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-06-16 09:38:57 and read 8490 times.

Quoting art (Reply 273):
If it has not been asked, when is second flight due?
Quoting Beeski (Reply 281):

good question re: when is 2nd flight.

From what I've gathered from the interviews on Friday, they'll need at least 48 hours to review all the data from the 1st flight to clear it for the second one. Barring unforeseen issues with said data of course.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Jalap
Posted 2013-06-16 10:52:01 and read 8292 times.

Quoting speedbird128 (Reply 271):
That is what I found amazing too. No mess no fuss. Clearly they used the delays earlier in the program to nail down what needed to be done, and GET IT DONE. No CATIA mishaps. No home depot purchases.

No CATIA mishaps, not surprising. We saw that checklist around the time of the A350 launch or design freeze. An Airbus topman held a piece of paper with a sketched airplane, one of the notes on it was "check catia version".

Unfortunately I can't find that pic anywhere...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Klaus
Posted 2013-06-16 14:07:03 and read 7784 times.

Quoting Jalap (Reply 284):
Unfortunately I can't find that pic anywhere...

Here it is:


Obeviously a joke (featuring John Leahy and Tom Enders); Nice one, though! 

First posted by N14AZ here:
Dubai Air Show 2011 Airbus - EADS Orders (by moderators Nov 12 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-16 14:40:35 and read 7621 times.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 283):
From what I've gathered from the interviews on Friday, they'll need at least 48 hours to review all the data from the 1st flight to clear it for the second one. Barring unforeseen issues with said data of course.

Somehow I doubt the flight test pilots and tech team will be able to take the new Airbus for an overfly of the Paris Air Show grounds at Le Bourget during trade days. It's sort of early I think. The next coming days will tell if I am right or wrong. Wait and see.

  

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: billreid
Posted 2013-06-16 19:57:22 and read 7152 times.

When I saw the B787 the first time I was blown away by appearances and the cleanliness of the skin. I believe the A350 would most likely do the same to me. Really for me the differences are subtle.

I wonder if the cockpit windows with the black trim is just part of the test acft or if it will be on all acft. I find it similar to the DC-8 and does not have the clean look of "silver" aluminum or even white trim. I find the forward section of an aircraft is what differentiates one from another. For me the woman has too much eye-liner on. Makes her look like a lady of the night.

So lets name her "A-350 Night-Lady"

If we get past the excessive eye-liner they all look like a twin widebodies to me.
Get me on a can, any can and fly me there in a 19" wide seat that I am dying to get out of upon arrival. All so I can say AA,UA,DL,AF,BA, crammed me into the identical same seat they have on a A319, A320, A330, A350, B737, B757, B767, B777, B787 that takes me the same time to get there plus the standard gate hold.

I could care less how these birds save Akbar Al Baker money or any airline for that matter. What I want to know is what technology will make my butt less sore upon arrival? That's what I want to know!

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-06-16 20:38:42 and read 7033 times.

Quoting billreid (Reply 287):
I could care less how these birds save Akbar Al Baker money or any airline for that matter. What I want to know is what technology will make my butt less sore upon arrival? That's what I want to know!

I have bad news for you...

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-17 04:04:36 and read 6204 times.

Weather forecast does not look good for Toulouse and the whole of South Western France today. There are a lot of thunderstorm cells moving around - some of them violent. A couple of famous French wines producers in the region had their crops decimated by the storms this morning.

Air traffic seems to be moving on FR24 at Blagnac. I even caught the "old" 380 Airbus prototype doing the rounds as AIB54 this morning.

I am wondering if the new Airbus will be able to go out today. I am watching for AIB350. Haven't seen them showing on the radar yet.

http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2013-06-11/15:18/AIB350

    

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-17 04:08:02 and read 6179 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 289):
I am wondering if the new Airbus will be able to go out today

The second flight will not occur before Wednesday.

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-06-17 04:15:47 and read 6067 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 290):
The second flight will not occur before Wednesday.

Thank you for the information.

My doubts about a Paris Air Show presentation during trade days seems to have more ground. I even wonder if they will overfly the air show at all during public days.

Maybe they will so they can do a photo-op. Wish they could have done a A350 flyover of the Paris Air Show today or tomorrow when all the Boeing top executives are on site at the air show as they will not be there long.

    

Topic: RE: A350 First Flight Official Thread - Part 2
Username: Moderators
Posted 2013-06-17 07:38:43 and read 5367 times.

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