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Topic: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: Sligo
Posted 2013-06-23 06:53:31 and read 15991 times.

CNN is broadcasting a live feed now (23 Jun 2013, 0952 EDT) from "Moscow Airport" awaiting Snowden's arrival with apparently no knowledge that there is more than one commercial airport in Moscow.

Which airport is he arriving into?

What flight was he on?

Thanks...

[Edited 2013-06-23 06:55:28]

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: 777klm
Posted 2013-06-23 07:02:17 and read 15902 times.

He arrived at SVO on SU flight 213

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2013-06-23 07:02:27 and read 15903 times.

Arrived on SU213 according to this, I don't know which airport

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...-11e2-a484-7b7f79cd66a1_story.html

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-06-23 07:02:46 and read 15905 times.

Snowden was on SU213 into SVO.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: Sligo
Posted 2013-06-23 07:03:21 and read 15908 times.

Why does Aeroflot 213 show up as non-existent on flight aware? Isnt that the only non-stop HKG-SVO?

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: premobrimo
Posted 2013-06-23 07:05:04 and read 15871 times.

He will then apparently be taking SU150 from Moscow to Havana (final destination Caracas)

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2013-06-23 07:07:54 and read 15835 times.

Think only the Aeroflot flights that come from areas of normal flightaware coverage will show up,

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/UUEE

Looks like lots of flights missing.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: SouthernDC9
Posted 2013-06-23 07:09:15 and read 15804 times.

Honestly though, why does it matter for this story, most people watching this report on CNN don't really care about airport specifics, and in fact probably don't know (or care) that there are two commercial airports in Moscow. If there was a crash or incident of some sort involving a specific flight, obviously the exact airport would matter but with this it's a terribly minor part of the overall story - but for this "Moscow Airport" pretty much covers it.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-06-23 07:24:10 and read 15621 times.

Sky News are covering it live also. Im wondering though they said that Aeroflot confirmed that he had a ticket in their systems so Im wondering if it was wise for Aeroflot to give out such information about the passenger list.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2013-06-23 07:45:36 and read 15387 times.

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 7):
that there are two commercial airports in Moscow

Two? At least three: SVO, DME, VKO. I think that BKA closed...

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: SouthernDC9
Posted 2013-06-23 09:35:43 and read 14870 times.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 9):

Ha, see I've obviously been watching too much CNN. Still in the scheme of things doesn't really matter what airport he flew into or how that reflects on what CNN or any news outlet knows in regards to esoteric details of Moscow aviation

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: NBGSkyGod
Posted 2013-06-23 11:01:57 and read 13966 times.

Interesting that its flight path takes it over the CONUS. Could the US force it to land to remove Mr. Snowden from the aircraft once it crosses into US Airspace...or would the government dis-allow the overflight?

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: ZBBYLW
Posted 2013-06-23 11:13:56 and read 13697 times.

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 11):

They could force the airplane to land, however that would be one hell of a PR nightmare.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: FlyPIJets
Posted 2013-06-23 11:14:18 and read 13659 times.

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 11):
Interesting that its flight path takes it over the CONUS. Could the US force it to land to remove Mr. Snowden from the aircraft ...

Yes, the U.S can require any aircraft in its airspace to land. And has, in the past, forced commercial fights not in its airspace to land. see Achille Lauro hijacking aftermath.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-06-23 11:32:16 and read 13292 times.

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 12):
They could force the airplane to land, however that would be one hell of a PR nightmare.

Not PR it would start a major incident between two nations and the fall out would be immense. Not worth it for one guy who has chosen to speak out against his own countries practices.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: C680
Posted 2013-06-23 11:37:18 and read 13200 times.

He will probably go to Havana on Aeroflot's SU150.

That flight normally goes down the east coast:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20130622/1005Z/UUEE/MUHA

But I would guess they will probably route it over Bermuda to avoid US airspace if he is onboard:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20130620/1005Z/UUEE/MUHA

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-06-23 13:36:35 and read 11320 times.

Quoting C680 (Reply 15):
He will probably go to Havana on Aeroflot's SU150.

Even if it goes over Bermuda what about all our ally countries in Europe. US can plant couple of drunkards on SU150 and let it take normal course. I guess SU123 was a easy flight because it flew over China, Kazakhstan and Russia. FR24 is going to very busy for next couple of days.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: NBGSkyGod
Posted 2013-06-23 14:21:40 and read 10656 times.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 17):

Even if it goes over Bermuda what about all our ally countries in Europe. US can plant couple of drunkards on SU150 and let it take normal course. I guess SU123 was a easy flight because it flew over China, Kazakhstan and Russia. FR24 is going to very busy for next couple of days.

There have been a few instances where we have either required an aircraft to land or denied overflight because of a passenger was on a no-fly list, which I would assume his already is. Weather the US will go to that length to recover him at that point is to be determined.

If the flight is routed over Bermuda the US may be granted intercept rights from the UK. However, the mere fact that he will be so close, he may be a tantalizing morsel to try for the intercept. Will be interesting to watch.

I do agree that FR and liveatc will be highly trafficked tomorrow.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: Mcoov
Posted 2013-06-23 14:33:04 and read 10422 times.

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 7):

Honestly though, why does it matter for this story, most people watching this report on CNN don't really care about airport specifics,

It represents the level of effort CNN is willing to put into their story, which evidently is pretty low.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-06-23 14:33:28 and read 10422 times.

Quoting Sligo (Thread starter):
with apparently no knowledge that there is more than one commercial airport in Moscow.

How many airports serve Moscow?   I know, I could look in the drop-down, but I'm lazy.   

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-06-23 14:41:17 and read 10264 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
How many airports serve Moscow? I know, I could look in the drop-down, but I'm lazy.

At least seven. Three with scheduled service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Airport

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: bennett123
Posted 2013-06-23 17:18:50 and read 8553 times.

Is hacking off the US to this extent really worth it for Ecuador?.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: B747400ERF
Posted 2013-06-23 18:20:15 and read 7976 times.

Quoting Sligo (Reply 4):
Why does Aeroflot 213 show up as non-existent on flight aware? Isnt that the only non-stop HKG-SVO?

Because flights outside of America and western Europe are not in the main coverage areas for Flightaware.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/su213/

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: American 767
Posted 2013-06-23 18:51:11 and read 7669 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
Three with scheduled service.

Sheremetyevo and Domodedovo are the two most important ones. It's like Heathrow and Gatwick in London.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2013-06-23 20:08:56 and read 7097 times.

The media really sucks in regards to aviation, though, this is pretty minor IMO. It's not really wrong, just vague.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: RIXrat
Posted 2013-06-23 23:42:02 and read 5965 times.

CBS source saying Snowden will check in on SU flight for HAV at 0400 EST, accompanied with a number of newsies. I assume the journos out of Moscow have Cuban visas, otherwise they would be denied boarding in the first place.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: fn1001
Posted 2013-06-24 00:38:47 and read 5626 times.

Do you really think he will be on that flight?

The guys from the media will board first, then wait until cruising altitude and the seat belt sign is switched off and then they will realize that Aeroflot made a good business that they, selling nearly all available seats at exorbitant prices, including the one for Snowden, who will not be on board.

I am sure there is already a freighter on his way to DAM , TEH or SHJ, from there a Gulfstream without transponder via an unknown west-African airport to the northern part of Brazil

[Edited 2013-06-24 00:42:21]

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: faro
Posted 2013-06-24 01:59:27 and read 5164 times.

Quoting fn1001 (Reply 27):
I am sure there is already a freighter on his way to DAM , TEH or SHJ, from there a Gulfstream without transponder via an unknown west-African airport to the northern part of Brazil

That would be the most secure exit route but politically it heavily implicates Russian authorities. It would be very difficult for them to absolve themselves of *active* participation in his flee in such a scenario compared to his boarding a scheduled flight out of Moscow.

Not to mention that -should the US think of using cowboy tactics- it is a much more delicate proposition for fighters to harass a regular, scheduled civil airliner into landing in US territory than it would be with a private or cargo flight.


Faro

[Edited 2013-06-24 02:47:09]

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: ely747
Posted 2013-06-24 03:00:35 and read 4686 times.

Flight AFL 150 already shows as delayed. The airline spokesman confirmed the flight will route over the US teritory.

[Edited 2013-06-24 03:01:17]

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: anshuk
Posted 2013-06-24 03:06:54 and read 4619 times.

Quoting ely747 (Reply 29):
Flight AFL 150 already shows as delayed. The airline spokesman confirmed the flight will route over the US teritory.

It doesn't make sense for him to be taking this flight if it will indeed fly over American territory, right? Surely the USAF can force the flight to land somewhere on American territory once it enters American airspace?

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2013-06-24 03:14:18 and read 4527 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 24):
Sheremetyevo and Domodedovo are the two most important ones. It's like Heathrow and Gatwick in London.

Vnukovo is on the rise as well. UN transfered a bunch of regional and international flights from DME to VKO recently, Services that STN and LTN can only dream of.

Among the big ones, MIA, JFK, CUN and later this year YYZ, MLE and PEK.

WIth the new terminal they built at VKO, expect that airport to get busier at the expense of the two others. LH already made VKO its mainstream Moscow airport while still maintaining service to DME.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2013-06-24 03:23:00]

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: B777LRF
Posted 2013-06-24 03:18:36 and read 4508 times.

Should the US government choose to intercept an airliner of a soverign country, flying its assigned route according to flightplan whilst keeping in touch with ATC, under the assumption a person they have not legally extradited from Russia might be onboard, then they're on ice so thin you can see through it. But should they do so, well, then I'd be rooting for Russia to intercept every single US registered aircraft to come within its airspace, force them all to land at obscenely remote airfields while they conduct a safety inspection, only to let them loose a few hours later with the following message: "Sorry, no Jet A1 available at this airfield. Parking charges is 1.000 USD per hour, we don't accept AmEx and your passenger can't leave the aircraft 'cause they have no visas. Have a nice day."

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: anshuk
Posted 2013-06-24 03:28:06 and read 4375 times.

Update: Just saw on Russia Today that Snowden is NOT on the flight to Cuba.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: Aeri28
Posted 2013-06-24 04:08:17 and read 3978 times.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 32):
Should the US government choose to intercept an airliner of a soverign country, flying its assigned route according to flightplan whilst keeping in touch with ATC, under the assumption a person they have not legally extradited from Russia might be onboard, then they're on ice so thin you can see through it. But should they do so, well, then I'd be rooting for Russia to intercept every single US registered aircraft to come within its airspace, force them all to land at obscenely remote airfields while they conduct a safety inspection, only to let them loose a few hours later with the following message: "Sorry, no Jet A1 available at this airfield. Parking charges is 1.000 USD per hour, we don't accept AmEx and your passenger can't leave the aircraft 'cause they have no visas. Have a nice day."

I can so see you foaming at the mouth lol. You're just whipping yourself into a frenzy at a scenario that has not even happened lol.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: jamesontheroad
Posted 2013-06-24 04:59:19 and read 3497 times.

Quoting anshuk (Reply 32):
Update: Just saw on Russia Today that Snowden is NOT on the flight to Cuba.

Although amusingly, a number of journalists are, and they're all off to HAV. Apparently visa restrictions mean they will have to stay there for three days before returning.   

Decent live updates via the Guardian, whose Moscow correspondent was (luckily?) denied boarding due to visa issues. Aeroflot must be delighted with the yields on this flight today http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rom-moscow-to-havana-live-coverage

[Edited 2013-06-24 05:00:59]

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: B777LRF
Posted 2013-06-24 05:57:15 and read 2872 times.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 33):
I can so see you foaming at the mouth lol. You're just whipping yourself into a frenzy at a scenario that has not even happened lol.

No foam around my mouth dude, and there's no whipping go on either. My post was merely in response to those who suggested, without any apparent grasp of the possible repercussions, the US should intercept an Aeroflot operated flight in order to secure someone Russia has not been asked to extradite.

PS
You should refrain from using text speak when communicating with adults. It's just laziness, and does you no justice.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-06-24 06:06:29 and read 2772 times.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 35):

Nice little nitpick at being called out...immature but hey, who's counting?

Aeri has a good point whether you agree or not.

What purpose would such a retaliation serve? Answer? None.

Topic: RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"
Username: wilco737
Posted 2013-06-24 06:12:39 and read 2753 times.

As this is mostly non- aviation related, this thread will be now locked.

Please continue the discussion in the non- aviation thread which can be found here:

Will Snowden Be Extradited To Face Trial? (by AyostoLeon Jun 22 2013 in Non Aviation)

Thanks.

wilco737
  


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