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Topic: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-06-21 17:09:30 and read 8557 times.

I'm receiving some Twits about serious incidents at some Brazlilian airports amid the latest riots and GRU almost "occupied" and under a chaotic situation.

Are this incidents true and really that serious ? Any diversions reported ?

All I can find in the TV now is Brazilian President Dilma Roussef talking and talking but nothing else...

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: C010T3
Posted 2013-06-21 17:55:40 and read 8392 times.

Riots were blocking the road to GRU. Some protesting was also taking place near CGH.

That's about it. Nothing is going on at other airports AFAIK.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: klkla
Posted 2013-06-21 18:16:18 and read 8283 times.

I just checked Delta's website for tonight.

Flight 120 to JFK delayed from 8:55 tonight to 7am tomorrow
Flight 104 to ATL delayed from 9:50 to 6:40 am tomorrow
Flight 48 to DTW delayed from 10:40 to 8:35 am tomorrow

[Edited 2013-06-21 18:17:33]

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: Alpage
Posted 2013-06-21 18:27:53 and read 8236 times.

Passengers have to step out from cars and buses and walk miles to reach the terminal because the protests blocked the main access freeways. Just Bad.
http://g1.globo.com/sao-paulo/protes...ertura/nota/21-06-2013/115970.html

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: sw733
Posted 2013-06-21 18:47:12 and read 8130 times.

Oh wow, what a mess. I was originally supposed to be in GRU this week...glad it fell through!

AA958, the GRU-DFW flight I would usually be on, is cancelled. AA flights to MIA appear okay, for now...

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-06-21 18:58:30 and read 8065 times.

United is delaying departures from GRU by two hours (three for EWR).

Flights to GRU are still planned to leave on time. IAH has a 30-minute delay due to late inbound.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-06-21 19:47:57 and read 7933 times.

How pathetic...... I know this is political but now safety and security is in jeopardy. These riots have gone out of control.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: C010T3
Posted 2013-06-21 23:36:13 and read 7635 times.

Here are some photos of the road to GRU last night:

http://f.i.uol.com.br/fotografia/2013/06/22/292050-970x600-1.jpeg

http://f.i.uol.com.br/fotografia/2013/06/22/292047-970x600-1.jpeg

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidia...na-frente-de-aeroporto-de-sp.shtml

Both Gol and TAM scheduled scheduled flights to fly crews from CGH to GRU. Here's TAM's:

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8670/qwpp.jpg
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543223279068925&set=a.436536126404308.100491.436535879737666&type=1

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-06-22 00:27:40 and read 7504 times.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
Both Gol and TAM scheduled scheduled flights to fly crews from CGH to GRU.

Why would they do that? Crew unable to get to GRU were to report at CGH and be flown in?

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: C010T3
Posted 2013-06-22 00:53:00 and read 7435 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):
Why would they do that? Crew unable to get to GRU were to report at CGH and be flown in?

Yes, exactly!

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: Rafabozzolla
Posted 2013-06-22 10:13:02 and read 6941 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
These riots have gone out of control.

There are not riots. These are popular demonstrations and shaking up the daily routine is sort of the point.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: nutsaboutplanes
Posted 2013-06-22 13:29:00 and read 5444 times.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 10):
There are not riots. These are popular demonstrations and shaking up the daily routine is sort of the point.

I don't know, most major news organizations seem to be reporting events in a way that would suggest that riots are occurring....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-spending-18billion-World-Cup.html

Of course, Paula Deen has been the top news story in the states for the last couple of days.

[Edited 2013-06-22 13:34:02]

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: airproxx
Posted 2013-06-22 14:06:18 and read 5106 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):

Are this incidents true and really that serious ? Any diversions reported ?

A good friend of mine, FO @ Air France, landed yesterday without any problem @ GRU, but it took them 5h30 to get to their hotel in downtown Sao Paulo... It texted me yesterday night, their bus got stuck on the road, and they've even been "invited" by demonstrators to take shelter inside a nearby hotel during a riot...
Not really scary he told me, but rather impressive...

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: thunderboltdrgn
Posted 2013-06-22 14:22:39 and read 4941 times.

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 11):
I don't know, most major news organizations seem to be reporting events in a way that would suggest that riots are occurring....

yes but media like the Daily Mail really love to exaggerate to get more clicks and etc..
I wouldn't trust them to be particular accurate.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: HALFA
Posted 2013-06-22 14:49:51 and read 4721 times.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):

Here are some photos of the road to GRU last night:

Those are amazing photos! Lucky for JJ and G3 that they are able to get their crews from CGH to GRU, but I would think it would be nearly impossible for the foreign carriers to get their flight crews to and from GRU to downtown Sao Paulo. I know several crews stay at nearby airport hotels at GRU. Are they able to get to and from the airport hotels without delay?

Has GIG been affected in this way also?

Aloha
HALFA

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: Rafabozzolla
Posted 2013-06-22 15:16:29 and read 4490 times.

Off topic, I know, but just to clarify.

From someone who is in Brazil and can give a bit more of an insider's look. The vast majority of demonstrators are law-abiding citizens who just want to show their dissatisfaction with what's been happening in various matters.

There is a minority of vandals who get most of the coverage and, again, strategic routes for the demonstrations that disrupt traffic is part of the strategy to get most visibility.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: C010T3
Posted 2013-06-22 16:56:03 and read 3851 times.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 14):
Has GIG been affected in this way also?

No, Rio tends to always demonstrate either on representative city center avenues or on oceanic beachfront avenues. Though, yesterday, residents of the Barra district, feeling left out, organized a demonstration on an intersection. The result was just shameful, since it failed miserably as the district just emptied out at the thought of a huge gridlock.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: nutsaboutplanes
Posted 2013-06-22 21:04:16 and read 3510 times.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 15):
There is a minority of vandals who get most of the coverage and, again, strategic routes for the demonstrations that disrupt traffic is part of the strategy to get most visibility.

Fair point. There are always opportunists who will take advantage of a situation. Hope it quiets down soon, I love brazil and hope to return for a third trip next year.

Best wishes

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: VC10er
Posted 2013-06-23 10:47:58 and read 3182 times.

Darn! I'm flying out from EWR on UA31 to GRU.
Should I leave a day before? I have to work at 6pm on Thursday (the day I land)

Or have things calmed down?

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-06-23 11:03:14 and read 3141 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 18):
Or have things calmed down?

Latest demonstrations yesterday were "only" of 100K people in Sao Paulo. This things are very dynamic and unpredictable situations. But If I have to bet, things should be flowing to a normal situation, and by Thursday probably you would find the things are OK. Best of luck !!

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: steve6666
Posted 2013-06-23 11:58:10 and read 3023 times.

Sensibly, I have planned these demonstrations to coincide with 5 drives from downtown SP up to GRU.
Last Friday (14th), a demonstration was anticipated so all the businesses sent their staff home after lunch. I gave up after taking 45 minutes to get from home to Berrini (by the Hilton) in the afternoon, where the Marginal Pinheiros was just not moving - and tried again at 8pm - still took 2 hours. This weekend I was off to Salvador for the Brazil - Italy match. Left home 3.30am Saturday - was parked up at 4.10am - and arrived back today at 10.20am, in the gym at Eldorado by 11.30am. Next Wednesday on BA to London, which *should* be OK as it leaves at 4.15pm, so will be out of here in the morning. Less confident about coming back on Monday night though. And then off to Bogota for the feriado on the 5th at 5pm - think I will leave in the morning and have a nice lunch in the GRU Marriott...

I don't fancy trying to get up there for any of the bank of evening departures to the US/Canada/anywhere else though.

It went off big time in Salvador last night - three separate demonstrations blocked my cab back to my hotel, and there was a full scale riot outside Shopping Iguatemi - riot police with rubber bullets, molotov cocktails, tear gas, masked men smashing bus shelters...haven't been to a football match like that since Leeds v Spurs in the 1999 FA Cup.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
How pathetic...... I know this is political but now safety and security is in jeopardy. These riots have gone out of control.

Being pedantic, I suspect the definition of a riot where things are in control isn't a riot.  

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-06-23 17:22:50 and read 2778 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):

I have noticed you love negative and sensationalist news.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-06-23 17:28:27 and read 2764 times.

Funny timing, but last night received a 20% coupon including on premium fares from AA for tickets booked to Brazil for travel till end of September.

Between the current social unrest, and economic slowdown, seems its likely AA is finally feeling the excess capacity in the market.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2013-06-23 18:34:36 and read 2638 times.

This was just on Friday. Saturday situation was back to normal.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 4):
AA958, the GRU-DFW flight I would usually be on, is cancelled. AA flights to MIA appear okay, for now...

This is a seasonal flight, probably cancelled because of low demand, as expected (not by AA) not because of the protests.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Between the current social unrest, and economic slowdown, seems its likely AA is finally feeling the excess capacity in the market.

No surprises here LAXIntl. Too much capacity and now with the Brazilian Real around 2.20 per USD, I doubt the same number of Brazilians plan to travel as before. To compensate, leisure destinations in Brazil may become less expensive for Americans. Still, hotels need to charge less, services need to be less expensive, but a stronger USD helps that. Impossible that we continue to see Brazil/US with 60-65% Brazilians. Shall be at least 60% US dominated both because of income and size of population.

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: VC10er
Posted 2013-06-24 05:06:26 and read 2359 times.

This am CNN reported a resurgence in protesting. They didn't mention anything about airports.

I may still play it safe and depart tomorrow vs Wed. I do get in about 6am so perhaps the roads from GRU may not be blocked. It will be an interesting experience doing a week of work in SP and Rio.

I will report in on my experience at GRU, CGH AND SDU.

Obrigado

Topic: RE: Chaos Reported At GRU & Other Brazilian Airports
Username: prchan
Posted 2013-06-24 10:35:17 and read 2112 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Funny timing, but last night received a 20% coupon including on premium fares from AA for tickets booked to Brazil for travel till end of September.

JJ is also selling discounted premium fares on its flights to MIA and MCO. They announced r/t first class for less than $3500, but some restrictions applied (10 days minimum, boarding before December, etc.).

Quoting VC10er (Reply 18):
Should I leave a day before? I have to work at 6pm on Thursday (the day I land)

I live in São Paulo, and for the last 2 weeks the protests have begun in the afternoon (4-5pm). So, arriving at GRU in the morning should be enough to get to any point in the city by 6pm. Of course, the morning traffic jam will probably be the usual! Arriving 1 day before will certainly be less stressful.

I have flown out of CGH the last 2 fridays (6pm) and had no problems getting to the airport.


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