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Topic: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: 8herveg
Posted 2013-06-23 04:15:58 and read 9491 times.

Why does Turkmenistan Airlines serve BHX? Are there a lot of Turkic people who live in and around the Birmingham area who fly to Ashgabat or is the service used to transfer people to the Far East?

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: ElPistolero
Posted 2013-06-23 04:37:36 and read 9377 times.

I remember watching an airport episode on the BBC a long time ago (1996?). It was shot at Heathrow. One of the episodes included a segment on a delayed central Asian carrier. The cameramen entered the aircraft, and to my surprise, the majority of pax were Indian.

Turkmenistan airlines serve DEL and ATQ ( Amritsar), neither of which boast a significant Turkic population, so I suspect a significant part of that traffic is India-bound.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: 8herveg
Posted 2013-06-23 04:43:59 and read 9344 times.

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 1):
Turkmenistan airlines serve DEL and ATQ ( Amritsar), neither of which boast a significant Turkic population, so I suspect a significant part of that traffic is India-bound

Ah ok, thanks. I wonder if the number of people using the service will decrease once Air India start their new BHX-DEL service in 5 weeks.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: AAMDanny
Posted 2013-06-23 04:47:57 and read 9312 times.

When I worked at BHX as crew a few years ago I believe it was mostly Indian customers that used the service, so they probably where connecting thru to India.

Uzbekistan used to serve BHX with B757's and occasionally the B767, I don't remember if it was going somewhere else, it might had been just a fuel stop/crew change. Last time I seen them there was 2002 I think. It was usually the most exotic bird that flew into BHX.

AI will be a welcome return back to BHX, EK have snapped up most of the sub-Indian contentent traffic with the x2 daily DXB services.

AAMDanny

[Edited 2013-06-23 04:53:55]

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: ElPistolero
Posted 2013-06-23 04:53:14 and read 9268 times.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):

Ah ok, thanks. I wonder if the number of people using the service will decrease once Air India start their new BHX-DEL service in 5 weeks.

BHX - ATQ/DEL have a happy habit of being served by some really oddball airlines:

"In the past, a plethora of airlines, including Mahan Air, Uzbekistan Airways, Air Slovakia and Slovak Airlines, have all connected Birmingham via their respective home base airports to Amritsar and/or Delhi, alongside long-term incumbent Turkmenistan Airlines. These services have arisen given the huge demand for a connection from the UK Midlands to the spiritual centre of the Sikh religion, and because of this, of the four destinations mooted by Brara, this is perhaps the most likely not to originate in Delhi, but in Amritsar instead."

http://www.anna.aero/2013/03/27/air-...ter-as-its-second-point-in-the-uk/

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: 8herveg
Posted 2013-06-23 05:00:11 and read 9195 times.

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 4):

BHX - ATQ/DEL have a happy habit of being served by some really oddball airlines:

"In the past, a plethora of airlines, including Mahan Air, Uzbekistan Airways, Air Slovakia and Slovak Airlines, have all connected Birmingham via their respective home base airports to Amritsar and/or Delhi, alongside long-term incumbent Turkmenistan Airlines. These services have arisen given the huge demand for a connection from the UK Midlands to the spiritual centre of the Sikh religion, and because of this, of the four destinations mooted by Brara, this is perhaps the most likely not to originate in Delhi, but in Amritsar instead."

http://www.anna.aero/2013/03/27/air-...e-uk/

Thanks. Interesting. I'd be surprised to see them last much longer though.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-06-23 05:03:03 and read 9179 times.

Reminds me that in the mid-1990s Tajik flew to BHX from DYU including with Tristars.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-06-23 05:03:05 and read 9179 times.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
Ah ok, thanks. I wonder if the number of people using the service will decrease once Air India start their new BHX-DEL service in 5 weeks.

Cheapskates that buy through the various ticketing agents in Birmingham and on the sub continent itself will still travel via anywhere if the perceive a deal.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: david_itl
Posted 2013-06-23 05:04:04 and read 9161 times.

Similar thing happened at MAN when Uzbekistan served MAN-TAS with pasesngers doing the onwards TAS-India - within a year or so of AI starting MAN-FCO-DEL there were no more Uzbek services.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-06-23 06:05:32 and read 8879 times.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
I'd be surprised to see them last much longer though.

They offer very attractive fares through travel agencies in Birmingham and have competed against AI in the past. When I studied in Birmingham I looked at this - the fare was something like £180 return, but the connection times were short in Ashgabat and you couldn't add a stopover, which is what I was really interested in. Oddly, the travel agents couldn't sell me a return just to Ashgabat and the airline's ticket agent quoted me around £800.


Dan  

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-06-23 06:31:30 and read 8760 times.

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 1):
I remember watching an airport episode on the BBC a long time ago (1996?). It was shot at Heathrow. One of the episodes included a segment on a delayed central Asian carrier. The cameramen entered the aircraft, and to my surprise, the majority of pax were Indian.

Yes I saw that also . Like others have said if they see a deal they will go for it . If you go back much further FG used to sell tickets UK-Afghan-India on the B727 for peanuts.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: fauzi
Posted 2013-06-23 06:50:18 and read 8659 times.

Well to be fair around BHX there are millions of people living within 1-2 hour drive, and quite a big chunk of that population are immigrants from that part of the world. Plus, the fares are dirt cheap too.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-06-23 14:29:35 and read 7913 times.

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 4):

Also Comtel Air from Austria, though they used Mint Air aircraft or Privilege Style.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: debonair
Posted 2013-06-23 15:50:31 and read 7665 times.

   BTW. Turkmenistan just recently won the award for the "World Worst Airline- Economy Class"! Congratulations!   

http://www.businessinsider.com/worst...irlines-to-fly-economy-2013-5?op=1

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: prebennorholm
Posted 2013-06-23 17:11:05 and read 7514 times.

Quoting fauzi (Reply 11):
Well to be fair around BHX there are millions of people living within 1-2 hour drive...

Back in 1996 I visited Birmingham, and local friends told me that within a 30 miles radius around the city center lives 8.5 million people. That's the same as the total population of Sweden. While the area of Sweden is roughly 75 times larger than a 30 miles radius circle.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: RomeoBravo
Posted 2013-06-24 01:41:28 and read 4862 times.

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 14):
and local friends told me that within a 30 miles radius around the city center lives 8.5 million people.

That is patently untrue. It's probably about 3 million.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: jagflyer
Posted 2013-06-24 04:02:58 and read 3949 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):

The South Asian demographic usually travels with entire families and therefore a trip with a stopover that takes 20 hours but costs $300 less is preferred to a non-stop.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-06-24 04:15:05 and read 3860 times.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 15):
That is patently untrue. It's probably about 3 million.

The West Midlands population is 5.6 million, most of which is within a 30 miles radius of Birmingham. BHX themselves claim to have 8.2 million people within a 60 minute catchment area.


Dan  

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: tonyban
Posted 2013-06-24 09:57:05 and read 3434 times.

Turkmenistan and Uzbek are just a handful of airlines that fly into Amritsar from the U.K albeit indirectly. Qatar being a later entry. As most folks know, there is a huge Punjabi population throughout the U.K.
Flying into Delhi is the easy part if you're Punjabi. Its the 12 hour+ road journey from Delhi into Punjab that is the adventure that most folks hate to endure. Therefore, a flight into Amritsar saves hours and your overall health.
The tickets are cheap and the service is bad but its the still the most convenient way to get to Punjab.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-06-24 10:35:06 and read 3347 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17):
BHX themselves claim to have 8.2 million people within a 60 minute catchment area.

Rising to 36.2m within 120 minutes: http://www.therouteshop.com/birmingham-airport/

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: ElPistolero
Posted 2013-06-24 16:11:20 and read 2999 times.

ATQ is being served by quite a motley crew. T5, HY and, apparently RJ wants in as well (?!).

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: jagflyer
Posted 2013-06-24 17:56:19 and read 2878 times.

Turkmenistan Airlines is your best option from Birmingem to Abu Dabi, Stanbul, Amristar, Deli and Pekin.

http://www.turkmenairlines.com/index...ation/timetable-and-route-map.html

[Edited 2013-06-24 17:59:54]

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-06-25 02:38:08 and read 2637 times.

Quoting tonyban (Reply 18):

Why don't one of the Indian LCC's fly there via a tech stop. or even Jet with a 737.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: tonyban
Posted 2013-06-25 10:34:38 and read 2386 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 22):
Why don't one of the Indian LCC's fly there via a tech stop. or even Jet with a 737.

You can get there via Delhi with multiple carriers but its the headache of transferring with in any Indian airport that is a nightmare.
Jet had a non-stop from LHR a few years back but ceased the route as it wasn't making any money for them. It was typical to have the aircraft full in Y but only sparse in J classes.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: 9w748capt
Posted 2013-06-25 11:14:42 and read 2312 times.

Does anyone know the timings of AI's new BHX-DEL service - and additionally are there appropriately timed connecting flights to IXC or ATQ? If not then I bet AI will struggle on this route. Historically yes connecting through India was utter hell (in some ways still is given the incompetent employees at T3), but it's a bit more tolerable now as long as your connecting time isn't too long.

Topic: RE: Why Does Turkmenistan Airlines Serve Birmingham?
Username: remcor
Posted 2013-06-25 13:09:21 and read 2183 times.

Quoting debonair (Reply 13):
BTW. Turkmenistan just recently won the award for the "World Worst Airline- Economy Class"! Congratulations!

Back in 2001 I flew them on a domestic Ashgabat-Dashoguz on a Tu-154 while backpacking around the area. Wasn't horrible, though the portrait of the country's dictator on the front of the cabin was curious. Of course it wasn't even close to international standards though.


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