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Topic: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-06-23 00:34:06 and read 12562 times.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/23/ai-bhx-aug13/

Great news for Birmingham. However, unlike the vast majority of airlines who launch long haul routes about 10 months in advance, AI gives themselves just 5 weeks.

Starting 01AUG13.

AI113 DEL1330 – 1800BHX 788 x357
AI114 BHX2130 – 1005+1DEL 788 x357

Air India last operated service to Birmingham in October 2008, with 3 weekly Delhi – Amritsar – Birmingham – Toronto service on board Boeing 777.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: jayeshrulz
Posted 2013-06-23 01:12:26 and read 12435 times.

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
Great news for Birmingham. However, unlike the vast majority of airlines who launch long haul routes about 10 months in advance, AI gives themselves just 5 weeks.

I actually thought the same. Air India hardly advertises, and when it does, it lacks taste and shows the face of the politican inaugrating that route. :/
Wonder 5 week in advance, how will the people respond to it.

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):

Air India last operated service to Birmingham in October 2008, with 3 weekly Delhi – Amritsar – Birmingham – Toronto service on board Boeing 777.

Wow dint know that it used to continue BHX-YYZ.

Anyways 787 is a perfect aircraft for that route, as BHX has alot of Indian Punjabi population. Good luck to Air India  

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-06-23 01:21:58 and read 12410 times.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 1):
Anyways 787 is a perfect aircraft for that route, as BHX has alot of Indian Punjabi population. Good luck to Air India  

This is the perfect A/C for BHX . Also AI benefits from a good relationship with quite decent sized Indian owned travel companies in the UK so this will certainly help. I also wouldnt be surprised if there were not some decent nett fares for connections beyond India too.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-06-23 01:57:46 and read 12273 times.

Delhi-Manchester 3 weekly along side Mumbai-Manchester 4 weekly would have been much better from a yield and revenue generation point of view + obtaining onward transfer traffic beyond these 2 hubs of theirs to domestic India and SE Asia !

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-06-23 02:45:19 and read 12109 times.

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
AI113 DEL1330 – 1800BHX 788 x357
AI114 BHX2130 – 1005+1DEL 788 x357

Curious:

Does this mean that that particular aircraft gets deployed somewhere else x246?

Thanks

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-06-23 03:10:20 and read 11993 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 4):
Curious:

Does this mean that that particular aircraft gets deployed somewhere else x246?

Presume to the cities below :

'Boeing is scheduled to deliver 20 more of 787s by 2017. Air India managing director Rohit Nandan said the airline has drawn up plans to start new flights to Birmingham, Rome, Milan, Melbourne, Sydney and Moscow using the new aircraft.'

http://atwonline.com/airframes/air-india-prepares-more-787-deliveries

Unless of course that particular one will do Domestic sectors on those days .

[Edited 2013-06-23 03:11:25]

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-06-23 05:52:58 and read 11580 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
Quoting comorin (Reply 4):
Curious:

Does this mean that that particular aircraft gets deployed somewhere else x246?

Presume to the cities below :

'Boeing is scheduled to deliver 20 more of 787s by 2017. Air India managing director Rohit Nandan said the airline has drawn up plans to start new flights to Birmingham, Rome, Milan, Melbourne, Sydney and Moscow using the new aircraft.'

http://atwonline.com/airframes/air-india-prepares-more-787-deliveries

Unless of course that particular one will do Domestic sectors on those days .

Thank you.

By and large, do airlines tend to cycle the same ships on the same routes or do they get deployed by some mysterious algorithm from Ops?

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-06-23 06:08:44 and read 11516 times.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 1):
Anyways 787 is a perfect aircraft for that route, as BHX has alot of Indian Punjabi population. Good luck to Air India

I wonder if this five week launch missing pre sales for the summer period came from the same crack squad that "accidentally" ordered all those terrible and uneconomic B777-200LRs. Hmmmm....

Track record of uselessness IMHO.Why are these numpties even still in business?

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2013-06-23 06:09:48 and read 11516 times.

What classes are they offering on the 787, their website shows a very nice First.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-06-23 06:15:42 and read 11482 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
Track record of uselessness IMHO.Why are these numpties even still in business?

Because there are still a high number of ex Pats still willing to fly them ( in terms of the Europe/UK market).

The 4 times I took them I actually had great flights but it seems they have gone down hill since then. Shame really . Im hoping they can find their feet again and get back to what they were. They never had an amazing reputation but they were decent enough.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: Gr8circle
Posted 2013-06-23 06:56:09 and read 11299 times.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 1):
Wonder 5 week in advance, how will the people respond to it.

As long as the people respond, that's all that matters....if launching routes on relatively short notice works better for AI, so be it.....remember, AI has a long, although inconsistent record of serving BHX....they used to operate flights to BHX back in the 80s with the B707......then the BHX-YYZ service in more recent years......hopefully, the numbers will show up for them....let's see....

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
They never had an amazing reputation but they were decent enough.

You'll be surprised to know that they did have an amazing reputation back in the 60s and 70s, although that's long gone.....  

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: VTORD
Posted 2013-06-23 07:02:25 and read 11210 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 6):
do airlines tend to cycle the same ships on the same routes or do they get deployed by some mysterious algorithm from Ops?

I had the same question. I do tend to see VT-ALP a lot in ORD. Its almost every alternate day. Sometimes I see on flightaware that it went to JFK.

The same was with LO's leased Hi-Fly A330 but that could have been because they temporarily deployed that particular aircraft on this route specifically. But I never see LH repeating at such a high frequency.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-06-23 07:02:29 and read 11209 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):

Delhi-Manchester 3 weekly along side Mumbai-Manchester 4 weekly would have been much better from a yield and revenue generation point of view + obtaining onward transfer traffic beyond these 2 hubs of theirs to domestic India and SE Asia !

I don't agree. There is considerably more competition at MAN and the Indian population in the West Midlands is double that of the North West.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 1):
Wow dint know that it used to continue BHX-YYZ.

It used to be really cheap too - I regret not taking it. IIRC most of the time you could get a return for £220 and little advance booking required.


Dan  

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-06-23 07:29:39 and read 10922 times.

Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 10):
You'll be surprised to know that they did have an amazing reputation back in the 60s and 70s, although that's long gone.....

Air India as was, I know that. However they were merged into Indian Airlines, the old long haul organisation was drowned in the ineptitude of the other firm. It doesn't matter how many people use the service, my key point is that organisationally, I am betting they still can't turn a profit. The previous AI187 / 188 ATQ-BHX-YYZ service used to turn up days late, it was a joke.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: NAV20
Posted 2013-06-23 07:47:52 and read 10690 times.

Quite incredible, to me. When I lived in the UK ('home counties'), if people from Birmingham wanted to fly to India (not that I knew any) their only options would have been to first of all drive (or catch a couple of trains) to London/Heathrow.

Fantastic, in my view. The 787 seems to be having a sort of 'seismic' effect on the whole industry - a 'medium-sized' aeroplane that can (apparently profitably) fly from wherever you are to wherever you want to be...........

'The times they are a-changing' - for the better, on present evidence........

[Edited 2013-06-23 08:22:21]

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-06-23 07:56:28 and read 10592 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
The 4 times I took them I actually had great flights but it seems

I flew with them once, and once onboard, it was great.

Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 10):
You'll be surprised to know that they did have an amazing reputation back in the 60s and 70s, although that's long gone.

They were owned by TATA at one stage.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-06-23 10:03:01 and read 9463 times.

This is the type of service that the 787 was built for. Moderate to long haul that does not support the 777 cost per flight.

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
However, unlike the vast majority of airlines who launch long haul routes about 10 months in advance, AI gives themselves just 5 weeks.
Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 10):
You'll be surprised to know that they did have an amazing reputation back in the 60s and 70s, although that's long gone.....

Does anyone have an ownership history of Air India?

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
Fantastic, in my view. The 787 seems to be having a sort of 'seismic' effect on the whole industry - a 'medium-sized' aeroplane that can (apparently profitably) fly from wherever you are to wherever you want to be...........

As long as it is to a hub such as DEL. Thus, the A380 and 787 will compliment each other nicely (ok, not for AI, but most hubbing airlines). The only airlines that will have trouble with that a strong hubbing strategy are those at constrained airports. Cest la vie.

I'm excited to see the market fragmentation. Note: I stand by previous comments that it won't really get started until 300 or 400 787s/A350s are in service. Until then, too many 787s will be 767 replacements and A350s will displace A340s. But we will see a steady trend of new routes.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-06-23 10:08:54 and read 9394 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
I don't agree. There is considerably more competition at MAN and the Indian population in the West Midlands is double that of the North West.

you may not agree but the statistics which I have on numerous times shown on this website highlight the fact that MAN-India market size is more than 35% bigger and wide spread versus BHX-India. Plus the MAN-SE Asia market size is more than 3 times larger versus BHX + the yields too are higher for MAN-India versus BHX-India.

Just because the population size is more doesnt mean much. Even when AI operated BHX-ATQ-DEL with B777s in the past, the MAN-India market size demand was greater than BHX-India !

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-06-23 10:19:01 and read 9299 times.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 15):
I flew with them once, and once onboard, it was great.

I've also only flown with them once (LHR-BOM, 744) and it was OK, with their food the best aspect. The interior and IFE wasn't good, but this was 10 years ago. I'd quite like to try their 77Ws.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-06-23 10:27:17 and read 9226 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 17):
you may not agree but the statistics which I have on numerous times shown on this website highlight the fact that MAN-India market size is more than 35% bigger and wide spread versus BHX-India.

And it is considerably better served. AI will have a hard enough time competing against EK, throwing QR and EY into the mix plus greater capacity from the usual EU carriers at MAN doesn't in my view make it a safer move to have served MAN instead.


Dan  

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: T8KE0FF
Posted 2013-06-23 10:54:10 and read 9006 times.

What fantastic news for Birmingham! Very pleased that we are indeed getting a 787 after Thomson left us out from their schedules this summer. 
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 13):
The previous AI187 / 188 ATQ-BHX-YYZ service used to turn up days late, it was a joke.

It was not uncommon to see two or even three AI 777s on the ground at the same time because they were all so delayed!

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
This is the type of service that the 787 was built for. Moderate to long haul that does not support the 777 cost per flight.

I remember at the time when AI dropped the BHX route they said that it was their second most profitable after LHR, they just had to give it up for 'slot reasons' - I don't believe BHX-India is a route that would struggle(d) with a 777.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: jayeshrulz
Posted 2013-06-23 12:47:29 and read 8240 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
It used to be really cheap too - I regret not taking it. IIRC most of the time you could get a return for £220 and little advance booking required.


That is REALLY cheap considering a transatlantic flight. No wonder they were bleeding money per se.
But what astonishes is that BHX is really a "unsaturated" market. So AI still has a scope. Till now as far as I know, my folks used to take BA or LH. EK was VERY expensive of that route. LH was infact preferred.

But now they do stand a chance. In the current scenario, TK is attracting the pax from BOM-DEL to BHX, MAN, LHR and YYZ.TK is a real major player in the Indian subcontinent today.

My doubt is, why don't they connect their international flights? O/D passengers can then fly via DEL to onward destinations like ICN,HKG etc.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 17):
you may not agree but the statistics which I have on numerous times shown on this website highlight the fact that MAN-India market size is more than 35% bigger and wide spread versus BHX-India. Plus the MAN-SE Asia market size is more than 3 times larger versus BHX + the yields too are higher for MAN-India versus BHX-India.
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
And it is considerably better served. AI will have a hard enough time competing against EK, throwing QR and EY into the mix plus greater capacity from the usual EU carriers at MAN doesn't in my view make it a safer move to have served MAN instead.

Well PlymSpotter, MAN has alot of Indian population enough to sustain a Non-Stop flight. It will be a very popular route too. Lets wait and see what the 787 is being tested too  
Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 20):
I remember at the time when AI dropped the BHX route they said that it was their second most profitable after LHR, they just had to give it up for 'slot reasons' - I don't believe BHX-India is a route that would struggle(d) with a 777.

Same thoughts. I was really surprised as the BHX-ATQ route was really popular. Alot of my known folks used to travel on it and the stories from the ex-AI retd. crew were always amazing involving BHX  

[Edited 2013-06-23 13:29:46]

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-06-23 12:58:38 and read 8134 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):

Why are these referred to as new only Milan will be, the rest were served by AI from its early days, also returning to Africa with Nairobi resumption.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-06-24 02:26:21 and read 5898 times.

As quickly as it appeared:

Air India Temporary Closes Reservation for Aug 2013 Birmingham Resumption as of 24JUN13
http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/24/ai-bhx-aug13update2/

It says temporarily so maybe this will be back.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-06-24 02:45:20 and read 5850 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
(apparently profitably)

Profitable and Air india don't go together, but that is not the fault of the 787. You are correct that the 787 is built for a hub to spoke route like this - and not the original 'pr speak' of hub bypass.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-06-24 03:33:04 and read 5898 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 22):
Why are these referred to as new only Milan will be, the rest were served by AI from its early days, also returning to Africa with Nairobi resumption.

Well I guess marketing. Its always better to say New than re launched.  
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23):
It says temporarily so maybe this will be back.

Yes still closed out today. Cant see any fares loaded yet. The consolidators dont have either but expecting them.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: parapente
Posted 2013-06-24 03:40:41 and read 5877 times.

Wonder what the comparible costs will be versus Emirates via Dubai? If more expensive - it won't work IMHO.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-06-24 03:58:15 and read 6010 times.

They will certainly need to be price concious even though its a direct flight. The direct is 8 hours versus 12 via DXB but that wont put off people if the EK price is attractive over the direct. Baggage allowance is also an important factor.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-06-24 04:31:25 and read 5936 times.

Quoting parapente (Reply 26):
If more expensive - it won't work IMHO.

I agree. The VFR market to India is incredibly cost conscious.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
Baggage allowance is also an important factor.

Yep - the kitchen sink is checked in. EK offers one very heavy bag - 32kg I think.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-06-24 05:22:13 and read 5823 times.

Why have they not loaded this flight on to their website yet ??

Yes EK does allow 30kg per Adult + 7kg Cabin + laptop bag I guess.

AI are usually generous too with their baggage with all classes. I think this service will do good job but I would love to BOM direct from either BHX or MAN.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: hammerb32
Posted 2013-06-24 05:53:43 and read 5741 times.

There's a hell of a lot of business traffic between the Birmingham metro area and India, will be interesting to see if AI can attract any of this away from the likes of EK.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: TC957
Posted 2013-06-24 06:30:04 and read 5697 times.

What ? A service to India to an airport EK serve ?
Guaranteed doomed to failure then according to Anet myths   

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-06-24 07:05:06 and read 5612 times.

There is a very good chance AI will be successful on this route. Finally, AI seems to have matched the 787 seat configuration to the market they serve. I am glad they did not put too many premium seats on 787 just to accommodate politicians and staff-on-leave. Food will be good even in economy. Only suggestion, FAs should loose their 60s hairdo.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-06-24 07:36:11 and read 5552 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
And it is considerably better served. AI will have a hard enough time competing against EK, throwing QR and EY into the mix plus greater capacity from the usual EU carriers at MAN doesn't in my view make it a safer move to have served MAN instead.

no it would not because AI would offer a nonstop service out of MAN to DEL and BOM three to four times per week each respectively. By virtue of this, they will have market share control as Indians over the past 8 years have shown to prefer to fly nonstop versus 1 stop on a vast majority of routes. Yes EK/QR would still retain their market share to the 1 stop cities of BLR/MAA/COK/AMD etc but not to BOM/DEL if AI operated 4 weekly MAN-BOM + 3 weekly DEL-MAN services.

Look at DEL-NYC, DEL-LON, DEL-Saudi Arabia, BOM-Saudi Arabia, BOM-LON and BOM-NYC sectors to begin with. The market share on these routes are controlled by the nonstop airlines and not the one stop ones such as EK, EY, QR, LH etc !

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
I don't agree. There is considerably more competition at MAN and the Indian population in the West Midlands is double that of the North West. And it is considerably better served. AI will have a hard enough time competing against EK, throwing QR and EY into the mix plus greater capacity from the usual EU carriers at MAN doesn't in my view make it a safer move to have served MAN instead.
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 21):
Well PlymSpotter, MAN has alot of Indian population enough to sustain a Non-Stop flight. It will be a very popular route too. Lets wait and see what the 787 is being tested too

Once again I will reiterate the facts:

BOM - 70,000
DEL - 48,000
COK - 22,000
BLR - 18,000
MAA - 15,000
HYD - 12,000
AMD - 11,000
CCU - 10,000
ATQ - 7,000

Total MAN-India in 2012 was 213,000

In comparison, BHX-India total was 143,000 and split accordingly:

DEL - 50,000
BOM - 34,000
COK - 15,000
BLR - 11,000
MAA - 9,000
AMD - 8,000
HYD - 6,000
ATQ - 6,000
CCU - 4,000

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: hammerb32
Posted 2013-06-24 07:49:54 and read 5502 times.

Behramjee,

Where did you get these figures from? Looks to me like someone has included the Brum figures in the MAN ones, no-way is there a higher demand to Amritsar from MAN than there is from BHX and no way is there just 6000 passengers a year looking to fly from BHX to ATQ.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-06-24 07:59:33 and read 5477 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 33):
no it would not because AI would offer a nonstop service out of MAN to DEL and BOM three to four times per week each respectively. By virtue of this, they will have market share control as Indians over the past 8 years have shown to prefer to fly nonstop versus 1 stop on a vast majority of routes.

Almost everybody prefers a direct flight, the question is what proportion of the market is prepared to pay a premium for this over the numerous cheaper 1 stop options. I am not at all convinced that this is anywhere near the majority of passengers, as you seem to be suggesting. And you can't just write off the difference in seats available via one stop options at MAN/BHX.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 33):
Once again I will reiterate the facts:

I understand the numbers you propose, I do not agree with the analysis you are making. For a start by your own figures there is a greater demand to DEL from BHX than MAN.


Dan  

[Edited 2013-06-24 08:00:27]

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-06-24 08:52:33 and read 5387 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 35):
I understand the numbers you propose, I do not agree with the analysis you are making. For a start by your own figures there is a greater demand to DEL from BHX than MAN.


yes that I agree but what I'm being try to say is that out MAN-BOM/DEL combined is much bigger than BHX-India plus during some times of the year when there is requirement to get feeder pax beyond India to SE Asia, the demand from MAN is far higher than BHX-BOM/DEL and that too at a better yield for all other options.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 35):
Almost everybody prefers a direct flight, the question is what proportion of the market is prepared to pay a premium for this over the numerous cheaper 1 stop options. I am not at all convinced that this is anywhere near the majority of passengers, as you seem to be suggesting.


few years ago before I learnt to use Shepherd System and PAXISPLUS I too held a similar belief, but to my surprise, it isnt the case. If you have access to these 2 systems, go check the average fare that the one stop carriers charge from BOM/DEL to LON/NYC versus the 1 stop carriers and you will be pleasantly surprised how much more the nonstop carriers are + their market share levels in spite of the higher fares!

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: Gr8circle
Posted 2013-06-24 17:01:29 and read 5013 times.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 15):
Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 10):You'll be surprised to know that they did have an amazing reputation back in the 60s and 70s, although that's long gone.
They were owned by TATA at one stage.

Yes, and the Indian govt. nationalised the airline (meaning, snatched it from the Tata's) somewhere in the early 50's......but JRD Tata, the original founder, continued to be the Chairman upto about 1977 or 78........during his reign, AI was a fairly well respected airline, known for it's service and quality....after he left (or was forced out rather), the decline started and never recovered......

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Does anyone have an ownership history of Air India?

It's all there on their website.......far as I know, the airline started somewhere in the late 30's or so, as Tata Airlines....later became Air India and then nationalised in the early 50's.......it's a shame how the govt. ruined it over the years......

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: McHobNob
Posted 2013-06-24 23:31:06 and read 4874 times.

"Air India has closed reservation for Delhi – Birmingham operation from 01AUG13 to 01NOV13. The airline opened reservation with this 4 weekly Boeing 787 service late-Saturday night of 22JUN13, for roughly 24 hours. The closure of reservation during this period is believed to be on temporary basis, and will be re-opened when the airline issues its own announcement. " - this is the latest update from airliner route website.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/24/ai-bhx-aug13update2/

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: BLRAviation
Posted 2013-06-25 04:47:33 and read 4623 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 4):
Does this mean that that particular aircraft gets deployed somewhere else x246?

Most likely thrice weekly DEL-HKG-ICN service.

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 8):
What classes are they offering on the 787, their website shows a very nice First.

18 J 238Y.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-06-25 05:48:17 and read 4542 times.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 39):
Most likely thrice weekly DEL-HKG-ICN service.

I thought 787 is not going to do the East anymore according to airlineroute site.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: hohd
Posted 2013-06-25 06:41:59 and read 4476 times.

AI has started and failed on the BHX route atleast twice. The problem is competition from London area airports which is close enough. For MAN area, the airport is far enough from London, so there is no poaching. Yes MAN area has heavy competition, but these middle east carriers are not that inexpensive any more and AIs pricing can be competitive for the passengers to give it a try. AI needs to try MAN, may be a 4 times a week to BOM with continuing service to DEL.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: flybhx764
Posted 2013-06-26 08:09:08 and read 4094 times.

AI has not failed at BHX. They had no choice but to take the ATQ - BHX - YYZ to LHR due to slot issues. They will do very well on this route. Especially with the luggage concept. 2 x 23 kg (46 kg) in the free allowance against T5's 25 kg. The Indian community like to take alot of luggage with them. T5 have had no competition and have been charging what ever they feel like

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-06-26 09:47:19 and read 3962 times.

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 42):
They had no choice but to take the ATQ - BHX - YYZ to LHR due to slot issues

They had plenty of choices actually .

One They could have leased the LHR slots out for a tidy sum.
Two They could have sold the slots
Three They could have kept the TALC route to NYC at LHR rather than going through CDG and FRA.
The move to FRA was a disaster after LH decided to block the *A membership.

The move was usual AI ineptitude.

As a Sub continent carrier they should be able to serve both BHX and MAN markets if they had any sense and commercial imperative

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: b777erj145
Posted 2013-06-26 10:31:23 and read 3897 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 4):
Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 39):
Most likely thrice weekly DEL-HKG-ICN service.

I hope they start MAN-DEL/BOM. My fingers are crossed.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 39):
I thought 787 is not going to do the East anymore according to airlineroute site.

Yup airlineroute reported that they will start DEL-HKG-ICN and DEL-HKG-KIX but later it was report that they will not start it but will send77L as they are doing right now

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: YTZ
Posted 2013-06-26 10:52:02 and read 3820 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
Delhi-Manchester 3 weekly along side Mumbai-Manchester 4 weekly would have been much better from a yield and revenue generation point of view + obtaining onward transfer traffic beyond these 2 hubs of theirs to domestic India and SE Asia !

The probably plan on launching those with daily service as they induct more 787s.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: b777erj145
Posted 2013-06-26 21:02:15 and read 3560 times.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/24/ai-bhx-aug13update2/
and it's look like they have open the reservation again but till 1 November.

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: DeltaB717
Posted 2013-06-26 21:37:11 and read 3522 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
Rome, Milan, Melbourne, Sydney and Moscow

Is it just me or have they announced their intention to launch Australia more than a handful of times? And still not shown up. I'd be inclined towards "I'll believe it when I see it"...

Topic: RE: Air India Launches Delhi Birmingham 787 Service
Username: flybhx764
Posted 2013-06-28 09:15:58 and read 3160 times.

The commence date has gone back to Aug 1st 2013


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