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Topic: A330 # 1,000
Username: PM
Posted 2013-06-08 01:21:59 and read 15201 times.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I calculate that 996 A330s have flown. MSNs 1427, 1428 and 1430 all had their first flights on 5th June.

We must therefore be about to see the 1,000th A330 fly.

A reason for celebration, I'd say.      

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-08 02:11:26 and read 14967 times.

Correct, the 1000th A330 should be delivered in July.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-06-08 02:15:14 and read 14943 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):

Correct, the 1000th A330 should be delivered in July.

Is it known who will get that A330?

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-08 02:49:34 and read 14799 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
Is it known who will get that A330?

Not yet. It would be nice to see a "1000th A330" sticker like that 77W:

http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/1000777-copy.gif

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-06-08 04:02:43 and read 14514 times.

The 1000th A330 has been delivered to LX as HB-JHA



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Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-08 04:05:26 and read 14472 times.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 6):
The 1000th A330 has been delivered to LX as HB-JHA

That number comes from the combined A330/A340 family.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: vfw614
Posted 2013-06-08 04:06:58 and read 14440 times.

Not sure if c/n 1000 automatically means that the 1000th aircraft has been delivered.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: zkojq
Posted 2013-06-08 04:46:02 and read 14227 times.

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
We must therefore be about to see the 1,000th A330 fly.

A reason for celebration, I'd say.

Most certainly. Such a very nice aircraft.  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
That number comes from the combined A330/A340 family.

   Also there were 18 (IIRC) frames that weren't built, which therefore makes MSN 1018 the 1000th aircraft in the A330/A340 family.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: PM
Posted 2013-06-08 05:11:33 and read 14089 times.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 6):
The 1000th A330 has been delivered to LX as HB-JHA

No, it was the 1,000th A330/A340.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 8):
Not sure if c/n 1000 automatically means that the 1000th aircraft has been delivered.

It certainly doesn't!

Quoting zkojq (Reply 9):
Also there were 18 (IIRC) frames that weren't built, which therefore makes MSN 1018 the 1000th aircraft in the A330/A340 family.

At that time 18 frames had not been built so MSN 1018 was indeed the 1,000th. Now, however, no fewer that 53 MSNs have been skipped.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: zkojq
Posted 2013-06-08 05:27:32 and read 13983 times.

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
Now, however, no fewer that 53 MSNs have been skipped.

I hate how Airbus does this. It makes production list calculations so much more complicated.   

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-06-08 06:35:53 and read 13360 times.

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
We must therefore be about to see the 1,000th A330 fly.

A reason for celebration, I'd say.  

It sure is a great achievement for the A330 program. Congratulations are in place for sure.     

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-06-08 10:47:00 and read 10909 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
Correct, the 1000th A330 should be delivered in July.

Kudos to Airbus. The 1,000th airframe is a tremendous milestone. In particular for a frame still selling.

Jets that have broken 1000 deliveries are a small club:
MD-80 (but the DC-9 missed the mark by just a little)
A320 family
707/727/737/747/757/767/777
CRJ (if CR2/7/9 counted as one family)

Planes that will soon break 1000:
Embraer's E-jets (E-170/175/190/195) will do so with GE engines. Now for the Pratts!   

Possible other 1000 jet deliveries:
Embraer ERJs (not E-jets, but ERJ-145 Family) at 996 delivered with 5 on order (but will they be delivered?).

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
Now, however, no fewer that 53 MSNs have been skipped.

That makes counting a challenge...  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
It would be nice to see a "1000th A330" sticker like that 77W:

That would be great! Has EK kept the paint on?

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: queb
Posted 2013-06-08 11:10:07 and read 10688 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
CRJ (if CR2/7/9 counted as one family)

Planes that will soon break 1000:
Embraer's E-jets (E-170/175/190/195) will do so with GE engines. Now for the Pratts!   

Possible other 1000 jet deliveries:
Embraer ERJs (not E-jets, but ERJ-145 Family) at 996 delivered with 5 on order (but will they be delivered?).

890 ERJ-145 family jets delivered. Zero on order (not counting Legacy 600/650 business jet)

even without counting CR7 & CR9, BBD delivered 1021 CR1/CR2 CRJ440

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-08 11:29:00 and read 10480 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
Has EK kept the paint on?

They have, here is a picture from June 6:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23852379@N07/8976740911/

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: LuftyMatt
Posted 2013-06-08 12:19:11 and read 10035 times.

A fantastic and beautiful aircraft. Well done airbus  

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: Viper911
Posted 2013-06-08 12:44:23 and read 9791 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
Jets that have broken 1000 deliveries are a small club:
MD-80 (but the DC-9 missed the mark by just a little)
A320 family
707/727/737/747/757/767/777
CRJ (if CR2/7/9 counted as one family)

You can add Tu-154 to that list as well. Either way, big kudos to Airbus on the 1000th A330!

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-06-08 13:53:05 and read 9290 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
Not yet.

Really, less than a month yet we don't know who will get it.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-06-08 14:52:32 and read 8852 times.

Quoting Viper911 (Reply 16):
You can add Tu-154 to that list as well. Either way, big kudos to Airbus on the 1000th A330!

Thank you. And yes, Kudos to Airbus!   

Quoting queb (Reply 13):
890 ERJ-145 family jets delivered. Zero on order (not counting Legacy 600/650 business jet)

My bad, I took wikipedia. However, with Legacy 600s, the sum on the same type certificate breaks a thousand. So while we can debate, that is still a success. Note: I now work for a vendor, so every aircraft means a ship-set of parts into the fleet!   

Quoting queb (Reply 13):
BBD delivered 1021 CR1/CR2 CRJ440

I was unable to find a source confirming the total deliveries, hence why I posted as I did. Do you have a link?

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: KPDX
Posted 2013-06-08 14:54:52 and read 8825 times.

Congrats to Airbus! Pretty aircraft, indeed. I prefer the A340-300, but the A330 is a nice bird alright!   

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: queb
Posted 2013-06-08 16:24:28 and read 8287 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
I was unable to find a source confirming the total deliveries, hence why I posted as I did. Do you have a link?
http://bombardier.com/en/aerospace/m...tus-reports?docID=0901260d8001f590

[Edited 2013-06-08 16:28:13]

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: Tigerguy
Posted 2013-06-08 16:47:42 and read 8144 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
Jets that have broken 1000 deliveries are a small club:

Probably add the Yak-40 to this list. Don't know how many were delivered, but certainly over 1,000 were built.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: louA340
Posted 2013-06-08 17:26:59 and read 7961 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
Is it known who will get that A330?

Not yet. It would be nice to see a "1000th A330" sticker like that 77W:

At what point will we know who is getting the aircraft? I thought that was known well in advance which airline is getting which MSN number.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-06-08 19:10:14 and read 7579 times.

Quoting louA340 (Reply 21):
At what point will we know who is getting the aircraft?

with all the skipped numbers, probably easier to wait until Airbus makes a big issue out of it entering FAL.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-06-08 21:10:15 and read 7132 times.

Quoting Tigerguy (Reply 20):
Probably add the Yak-40 to this list.

It belongs there... but I was tempted to debate "sales.'  
Quoting queb (Reply 19):

Danke.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-06-09 05:08:46 and read 5785 times.

Quoting louA340 (Reply 21):
At what point will we know who is getting the aircraft?

Until Airbus gives us a press release or someone spots a special livery around TLS.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: PW100
Posted 2013-06-09 08:15:40 and read 5935 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
That makes counting a challenge

Just use Subtotal in Exel! Works very nice WITH autofilter settings!

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
Jets that have broken 1000 deliveries are a small club

Though no jet (although the F50 was marketed as the Propjet!), the turboprop millenium club is even smaller! Our own little Fokker series, most built civil turboprop series in the west (not for long though . . . )
F27, FH27, FH227, F50
586 + 128 + 78 + 213 = 1005    

They must have delayed bankruptcy just to make sure they got above 1000!

PW100

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-06-09 08:24:33 and read 5861 times.

PM, I'm surprised that you haven't informed us of the engine choices on the first 1000.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: PM
Posted 2013-06-09 10:19:34 and read 6017 times.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 26):
PM, I'm surprised that you haven't informed us of the engine choices on the first 1000.

Oh, be patient. As soon as I know what the last four frames are, I'll have the numbers.  

But I'll give you a hint. RR have the most!  

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-06-09 16:51:40 and read 5593 times.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 25):
They must have delayed bankruptcy just to make sure they got above 1000!

   Quite possible.

Quoting PM (Reply 27):
But I'll give you a hint. RR have the most!  

No doubt. Both GE and Pratt did not offer nearly as competitive an offering as the later T700s.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: queb
Posted 2013-06-09 18:29:47 and read 5473 times.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 25):
Our own little Fokker series, most built civil turboprop series in the west (not for long though . . . )
F27, FH27, FH227, F50
586 + 128 + 78 + 213 = 1005    

To date, 1104 Qseries (Dash 8) turboprops have been delivered. ATR also delivered almost 1100 42/72 aircraft.

[Edited 2013-06-09 18:59:21]

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: zkojq
Posted 2013-06-09 19:17:44 and read 5406 times.

Quoting queb (Reply 12):
not counting Legacy 600/650 business jet

I think we have to include the business jets, the Legacy 600/650s are derivatives of the ERJ135. Otherwise, for fairness, we would have to exclude the A330 business jets (ACJs) which makes calculations even more complicated. From memory there are at least three; one ordered by Mid East Jet and stored somewhere in Southern France (MSN1053/VP-CAC), another that operates for the government of Kazakhstan (MSN863/UP-A3001) and finally the one that the French President uses (MSN240/F-RARF) - thought that was delivered to Air Caraibes originally.

Quoting PM (Reply 27):
But I'll give you a hint. RR have the most!

Good. By far the best looking (and sounding) engine for the A330.   

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-06-09 21:08:06 and read 5352 times.

Quoting queb (Reply 29):
To date, 1104 Qseries (Dash 8) turboprops have been delivered. ATR also delivered almost 1100 42/72 aircraft.
Quoting zkojq (Reply 30):
I think we have to include the business jets, the Legacy 600/650s are derivatives of the ERJ135.

Ack! I have unintentionally fragmented this thread! My point is that the A330 has entered rare and hallowed territory. It is exciting to see a widebody break a thousand deliveries.

The A330 is the first non-Boeing widebody to that will break a thousand deliveries (soon... so soon). This is an amazing feet that will keep the other examples flying a long time thanks to the support economies of scale. We will not see vendors abandon the plane a la the L1011.

now moving on to talk freight
Now if only we would see more A330F sales...

Now to talk A330P2F as that is part of what will keep pax sales going. I know freighter values are depressed (to say the least), but there will be a recovery.
http://afm.aero/magazine/fleet-opera...1-on-hold-eads-efw-on-cargo-growth

The A330-300 offers about 30 per cent more payload and 30 per cent more volume but with trip costs of around three or four per cent lower than the A300-600.

So there will be an A330P2F market... It looks like 2016EIS.

And since the A330 has enough orders to keep the line going to 2018 (per link), we should see more A330F orders when the economy recovers. We have 3+ years to wait for those orders to materialize... So let's hope they happen soon and keep the line going past 2020.    or more pax orders.  


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: PM
Posted 2013-06-19 01:13:34 and read 4632 times.

MSN 1426 (a -300 for Iberia) made its first flight on Monday. By my reckoning, that's the 999th to fly.

So the next one to fly should be #1,000.

And it seems likely it'll happen during the Paris Show.  

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2013-06-19 01:54:59 and read 4414 times.

Quoting Viper911 (Reply 15):
You can add Tu-154 to that list as well.

Definitely not. Tupolev skipped c/n's 606 to 700 so reaching c/n 1020 only means 925 built (perhaps a few less as some frames, like 993, 999 and 1017 have not been finished and have never flown afaik).

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: neutrino
Posted 2013-06-19 07:03:47 and read 3965 times.

Quoting PM (Reply 32):
And it seems likely it'll happen during the Paris Show.

...and with two hanging Rollers?  

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: PM
Posted 2013-06-28 07:43:34 and read 3436 times.

Well, they made us wait but if there really were no first flights between 17th June (an A333 for Iberia, MSN 1426) and the 24th when MSN 1436 (an A333 for Cathay) first flew, then CX's newest plane is A330 #1,000!

        

It seems quote appropriate (and deliberate?) since Cathay was one of the very first operators of the A330 and today have the largest fleet.

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-06-28 08:02:45 and read 3287 times.

This will be a very exciting day, congratulations to those involved. Quite the achievement.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-06-28 08:03:19 and read 3292 times.

Quoting PM (Reply 35):
It seems quote appropriate (and deliberate?) since Cathay was one of the very first operators of the A330 and today have the largest fleet.

They know a good thing when they see it!

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: SASMD82
Posted 2013-06-28 08:42:10 and read 3074 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):
No doubt. Both GE and Pratt did not offer nearly as competitive an offering as the later T700s.

Why exactly? I mean, the GE CF6-80 is nearly 25/30 years old. The PW4000 is newer. Why is the RR (Which is 20 years old) the prefered engine? They do not offer the most power, is it just the maintenance and fuel consumption?

Will GE stop evolving the CF6-80? What about the PW 4000?

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-06-28 08:52:48 and read 2995 times.

FF # 1,000 does not mean that this aiframe will become delivery # 1,000. I would assume that Airbus will announce delivery # 1,000 but not FF # 1,000. But I understand this thread is to celebrate the 1,000th A 330 to fly.

PS.: there is of course a good chance that all the next aiframes will be delivered in the sequence they had their FF, which would make my statement above obsolete  

Topic: RE: A330 # 1,000
Username: PM
Posted 2013-06-28 10:58:23 and read 2655 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 39):
FF # 1,000 does not mean that this aiframe will become delivery # 1,000.

Correct. In fact, I'd be surprised if it was - unless Airbus fix it that way.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 39):
there is of course a good chance that all the next aiframes will be delivered in the sequence they had their FF

Really? They've never managed it so far, so why would they now?

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 26):
PM, I'm surprised that you haven't informed us of the engine choices on the first 1000.

Be surprised no more!

1,000 x A330   

=

537 with RR (53.7%)
243 with GE (24.3%)
220 with PW (22.0%)

or

483 x A330-200 (48.3%)
472 x A330-300 (47.2%)
23 x A330F (2.3%)
22 x MRTT (2.2%)

Note that the A333 is just 11 behind the A332 and has by far the larger share of the backlog.

Note too that each of the A332 and A333 will easily pass 500 sales and deliveries.

And, lastly, remember that this was the first Airbus of any kind with an RR engine. All A300s and A310s had GE or PW. So for RR to muscle in on the party in this fashion is no mean feat.


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