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Topic: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: ojas
Posted 2013-07-15 01:27:59 and read 11890 times.

Effective 01feb EK will upgrade its DXB BCN run from a 77W to 380. AT present EK operates 21 weekly flights to Spain.

Source: www.emirates.com/press-releases

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: 1400mph
Posted 2013-07-15 01:32:19 and read 11859 times.

What happens to the 777's ?

Launch a/c for new routes ?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-07-15 01:33:28 and read 11861 times.

This means one B777 gets freed up to either increase frequencies some where or launch a new medium haul route to Europe or Asia/Africa.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-07-15 01:43:41 and read 11772 times.

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 1):

I remember reading here that EK want to retire their A330s. So most likely the 777s will takeover the A330 routes.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: Azure
Posted 2013-07-15 04:24:05 and read 11163 times.

Emirates has 55 A380s on order + options for 30 more.
Instead of opening a thread every time they announce a new destination served with the A380, it would be more simple to have one remanent thread listing destinations NOT served (yet) with this aircraft !   

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: skyteam2000
Posted 2013-07-15 04:51:52 and read 10994 times.

Great news for Barcelona.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: pierrelav
Posted 2013-07-15 05:24:43 and read 10773 times.

The inbound/ outbound flights go to GRU. Does this mean the 380 will service Brazil?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-15 05:30:45 and read 10681 times.

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 6):
The inbound/ outbound flights go to GRU. Does this mean the 380 will service Brazil?

I think you're confusing EK with SQ.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2013-07-15 05:33:11 and read 10644 times.

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 6):
The inbound/ outbound flights go to GRU. Does this mean the 380 will service Brazil?

You're thinking about Singapore Airlines. EK does not have a tag-on to Brazil from BCN.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-15 05:59:20 and read 10291 times.

Does MAD see the EK A380?

Either way, this implies EK is doing well on the route.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
So most likely the 777s will takeover the A330 routes.

Do not forget the large A359 order. We'll see those replace the A332s, A345s, A343s, and 772/77E. While I'm sure some A332s will be replaced by 77Ws short term, for fleet planning, EK will have a new 'baby bus.'    IMHO, the A359 will become the launch aircraft for most routes, excluding some cities that bilaterals are keeping EK out of (e.g., Xi'an or Wuhan).

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: wingflex744
Posted 2013-07-15 06:37:02 and read 9800 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 2):
This means one B777 gets freed up to either increase frequencies some where or launch a new medium haul route to Europe or Asia/Africa.

Can we please have it in VCE instead of the airbus??  

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-07-15 07:22:39 and read 9298 times.

Are you kidding me?


Seriously, are you all serious?

This ain't some Spanish April Fools day is it?


This is either an extremely risky investment or a huge middle finger to IB and IAG.

Then again, the Catalonia area is the only part of the Iberian peninsula that actually has money....

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2013-07-15 07:44:46 and read 9063 times.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):

Effective 01feb EK will upgrade its DXB BCN run from a 77W to 380. AT present EK operates 21 weekly flights to Spain.

Nice!

Just the other day I was thinking about it... and I was like ¨nah don´t think it will ever happen¨ and there you go.

Good news for BCN and I hope to have a chance to fly the whale 

Now we need QR to bring the A350 and I´ll be a happy chap!

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: mfc
Posted 2013-07-15 08:00:38 and read 8905 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Then again, the Catalonia area is the only part of the Iberian peninsula that actually has money....

That is not true. Madrid area is as wealthy as Catalonia. Emirates flies double daily to Madrid with 77Ws, that helps to make out about how large the market is.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is this not the first time that EK sends the 380 where they only fly once a day? Didn't they send the 380 to destinations with 2 or more daily frequencies?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2013-07-15 08:12:51 and read 8758 times.

Quoting mfc (Reply 13):
That is not true. Madrid area is as wealthy as Catalonia. Emirates flies double daily to Madrid with 77Ws, that helps to make out about how large the market is

Plus Qatar and Thai (Does Korean Air still flies to MAD?) I think there are also some Chinese Airlines flying into MAD.

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-07-15 08:20:41 and read 8662 times.

EK185 DXB0740 – 1210BCN 388 D
EK186 BCN1525 – 0045+1DXB 388 D

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/15/ek-bcn-feb14/

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: mfc
Posted 2013-07-15 08:21:34 and read 8662 times.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 14):
Does Korean Air still flies to MAD?

Yes, it does 3 times a week. Air China flies to MAD 5 times a week. QR also flies to BCN but with 330s, MAD gets a mix of 77W/77L/330, but in high season they normally send 77Ws.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2013-07-15 08:28:44 and read 8576 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Are you kidding me?


Seriously, are you all serious?

This ain't some Spanish April Fools day is it?


This is either an extremely risky investment or a huge middle finger to IB and IAG.

Barcelona is one of the Med's largest cruise ports and a major cultural city. I see more Far Eastern/Asian/Australasian tourists there every time I go, so throwing an A388 at the route makes perfect sense. It is also a major conference and business destination - the traffic is there.


Dan  

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: A388
Posted 2013-07-15 08:33:55 and read 8536 times.

Quoting mfc (Reply 13):
Correct me if I am wrong, but is this not the first time that EK sends the 380 where they only fly once a day?

No, AMS was also upgraded from a single daily 77W flight to a single daily A380 flight.

A388

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: Azure
Posted 2013-07-15 08:50:52 and read 8360 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17):
Barcelona is one of the Med's largest cruise ports and a major cultural city. I see more Far Eastern/Asian/Australasian tourists there every time I go, so throwing an A388 at the route makes perfect sense. It is also a major conference and business destination - the traffic is there.

Agreed.
We can add that IB does not fly Eastward further than Moscow or Tel Aviv. A strategic mistake when you consider : 1/how touristic and attractive Spain is, even for Middle-Eastern and Asian people (Barcelona, Madrid and Andalucia of course, but also Ibiza or Marbella) 2/ the growing south America to Asia market.
IAG should be more offensive, just my 2 cents.

On a personal note, I am just back from a trip to BCN. I was lucky enough to stay in a 5 star hotel near the harbor : 70-80% of the clients were from the ME. I was quite impressed, I never noticed that before (and I have been going to BCN once or twice a year since 20 years!)

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-07-15 09:09:43 and read 8154 times.

Quoting Azure (Reply 19):
On a personal note, I am just back from a trip to BCN. I was lucky enough to stay in a 5 star hotel near the harbor : 70-80% of the clients were from the ME. I was quite impressed, I never noticed that before (and I have been going to BCN once or twice a year since 20 years!)

Kuwaitis and Saudis in particular flock to Geneva and Spain in particular (in mainland Europe that is) during the summer season hence this is not surprising at all.

Quoting Azure (Reply 19):
We can add that IB does not fly Eastward further than Moscow or Tel Aviv. A strategic mistake when you consider : 1/how touristic and attractive Spain is, even for Middle-Eastern and Asian people (Barcelona, Madrid and Andalucia of course, but also Ibiza or Marbella) 2/ the growing south America to Asia market.
IAG should be more offensive, just my 2 cents.

The top 10 markets relevant to feed EK's BCN flights saw the following demand over the past 1 year to/from BCN:

NRT 100,000
PVG 90,000
DXB 65,000
ICN 62,000
PEK 52,000
ISB and LHE combined 50,000
DEL 47,000
KIX 41,000
HKG 40,000
BKK 32,000

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Then again, the Catalonia area is the only part of the Iberian peninsula that actually has money....

Evident by the fact that through this whole week, EK's business class on BCN-DXB sector at least is more or less FULL !

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: EY460
Posted 2013-07-15 09:23:02 and read 8009 times.

Is there any other Spanish city which could sustain an EK flight (if the bilateral allows so)?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: redhair
Posted 2013-07-15 09:27:55 and read 7959 times.

Quoting Azure (Reply 19):
On a personal note, I am just back from a trip to BCN. I was lucky enough to stay in a 5 star hotel near the harbor : 70-80% of the clients were from the ME. I was quite impressed, I never noticed that before (and I have been going to BCN once or twice a year since 20 years!)

I'm from BCN and I'm also surprised about where tourists are from! Mainly ME, Asia and ex-URSS people. You don't get to see sooo many Europeans and Americans as in the past...

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-07-15 09:45:07 and read 7762 times.

Quoting Azure (Reply 19):
On a personal note, I am just back from a trip to BCN. I was lucky enough to stay in a 5 star hotel near the harbor : 70-80% of the clients were from the ME. I was quite impressed, I never noticed that before (and I have been going to BCN once or twice a year since 20 years!)

It is Ramadan and summer (aka unbearably hot in the Gulf) = peak season for Middle Easterns. You would had probably noticed the same if you were in London, Paris or Geneva... the new thing (let's say the last 10 years) is how Barcelona has got into this truly international circuit attracting a wide range of tourists, from cheap "drink till you drop" weekend breakers from the UK or France, cruise tourism from the US or LATAM and high-spending tourists from Russia, China or the ME (I know a few cliches here, but you get the point  )... today BCN has become one of the top global destinations and still growing at a very healthy rate.

Also bear in mind that tourism from fast-growing Asian economies (China, India, Indonesia, etc.) is really underrepresented in Spain (being Spain the 4th country in the world with more tourists) compared to more "traditional" destinations for Chinese or Indian like France, Italy or the UK. Most of those countries do not have any cultural connections to Spain (like India to the UK), the traditional lack of connections to Asia from Spain does not probably help (a vicious circle here), and the Spanish authorities historically had a very narrow-minded mentality and a lack of interest for tourists from those countries (i.e. making a tourist visa a hassle for Chinese or Indian nationals because they come from "poor" countries). That is certainly changing (Russia being the most notable case, with tourism from Russia to Spain literally booming over the last 5 years)... so you got a potential market of hundreds of millions of tourists (of course, Chinese tourists will never be as common in Spain as German or British... but when your numbers today are negligible and we are talking about the 2nd largest economy in the world and Spain being a very attractive tourist destination... just connect the dots)... and Emirates will be happy to connect them  

IMO there are probably another couple of things. First, the crisis in Spain (and Europe)... many Spaniards have also ventured to the Middle East, Far East and Australia for jobs... only 10 years ago it would be an oddity an Spaniard working in Shanghai or Dubai... I personally know quite a few people who have moved to those places (and other EK destinations). Also, Spanish companies are becoming more international and less European and that certainly means looking for the fastest growing markets in the world (basically Asia). And don't even forget that during the Spanish boom years, Spain received a good number of foreigners from Pakistan (big Pakistani community in BCN, for instance, even PIA flies there) or China... so you have a noticeable VFR traffic today Spain-Asia (in both directions) that didn't exist only 10 years ago.

And even for Spanish holidaymakers (contrary to some comments in this thread, some people in Spain still do have money to travel) I personally see a shift of mind. Older Spaniards would venture outside Europe to the typical destinations (US and Latin America where you can basically use Spanish)... newer generations are venturing into more exotic places... which makes Asia on top of the list... and I have no doubt that QR or EK help to stimulate that traffic... if you consider the historical lack of connections Spain-Asia (specially compared to North and South America). So instead of going to Punta Cana or Cancun as their parents did, they will go instead to Phuket or Vietnam.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-07-15 09:53:16 and read 7697 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):
The top 10 markets relevant to feed EK's BCN flights saw the following demand over the past 1 year to/from BCN:

NRT 100,000
PVG 90,000
DXB 65,000
ICN 62,000
PEK 52,000
ISB and LHE combined 50,000
DEL 47,000
KIX 41,000
HKG 40,000
BKK 32,000

The majority of the (quite wealthy) Chinese community in Spain comes from Zhejiang... so I just assume they use PVG as their "local" airport for international travelling to Spain. I am pretty sure that this explains the gap between PVG and PEK (almost twice the number of travelers to Shanghai than to Beijing with Emirates; I don't know if that is common to other destinations).

ISB and LHE are interesting as well, if you consider that PIA offers direct flights, and you got QR on the route.

And places like BKK I am pretty sure are almost entirely explained by local Spanish tourism to Thailand.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: redhair
Posted 2013-07-15 09:58:25 and read 7851 times.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 23):

Great analysis!

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: UALWN
Posted 2013-07-15 10:11:40 and read 7827 times.

Quoting mfc (Reply 16):
QR also flies to BCN but with 330s, MAD gets a mix of 77W/77L/330, but in high season they normally send 77Ws.

Don't forget SQ, which flies to BCN (and on to GRU), but not to Madrid.

Anyway, I'm thrilled to see EK will fly the A380 to BCN. Are there any gates in BCN particularly suitable to A380 operations?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-15 10:24:36 and read 7793 times.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 23):

IMO there are probably another couple of things. First, the crisis in Spain (and Europe)... many Spaniards have also ventured to the Middle East, Far East and Australia for jobs... only 10 years ago it would be an oddity an Spaniard working in Shanghai or Dubai...

It's not just Spaniards seeking jobs abroad. It's also likely Spanish companies seeking new business overseas due to the weak local economy. For example, next door TP has seen a significant increase in business passengers over the last couple of years. They attribute this growth to Portuguese companies being forced to expand overseas due to the weak local economy, which stimulates international business travel.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-15 12:17:20 and read 6868 times.

I'll ask again, does MAD see EK A380s?

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17):
Barcelona is one of the Med's largest cruise ports

It it just me, or is EK doing a major business to cruise ports? Both for the customers, but I suspect growth in the Philippines is for employees who work in the cruise ship industry... Nothing wrong with connecting customers to providers...

Quoting A388 (Reply 18):
No, AMS was also upgraded from a single daily 77W flight to a single daily A380 flight.

Interesting. Its a wee bit of a challenge to keep straight EK's A380 routes.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: RJA321
Posted 2013-07-15 12:26:45 and read 6762 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):
I'll ask again, does MAD see EK A380s?

No it doesn't. Not yet at least!

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-15 13:56:40 and read 6059 times.

Quoting RJA321 (Reply 29):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):
I'll ask again, does MAD see EK A380s?

No it doesn't. Not yet at least!

Thank you.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-07-15 13:57:58 and read 6097 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):
Interesting. Its a wee bit of a challenge to keep straight EK's A380 routes.

EK was even hinting at a second daily A380 to AMS in the near future.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2013-07-15 20:43:42 and read 4562 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
EK was even hinting at a second daily A380 to AMS in the near future.

It will be a B77W.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: AirIndia
Posted 2013-07-15 20:52:24 and read 4521 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):
DEL 47,000

Surprising BOM is not on the list. Anyways, a major bollywood film from 2011, based on a road trip through Spain has spawned a lot of interest in Spain as a holiday destination for Indians. The film was supported by the Spanish tourism board.

http://travel.cnn.com/mumbai/life/in...ovie-boosts-spanish-tourism-694426

Quote:
La Tomatina, the tomato-throwing festival, was re-created in Buñol in Valencia for the film. Some 16 tons of tomatoes were flown in specially from Portugal, thanks to the movie's government tie-up.

However, the Spanish government does not usually partner with commercial ventures.

"The theme of the movie was about a holiday in Spain -- we saw it fits with the storyline and we collaborated with the producers of the film," said Saliankar.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2013-07-16 00:32:54 and read 3745 times.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 26):
Anyway, I'm thrilled to see EK will fly the A380 to BCN. Are there any gates in BCN particularly suitable to A380 operations?

When the LH and EK A380s visited BCN, they were parked on the gates EK and SQ regularly uses, not sure if the fingers can go up to the upper deck of the A380 tho. (when I did the T1 airport tour before the opening they said they were)

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2013-07-16 01:35:06 and read 3452 times.

Meh...AKL will have 3 A380s a day from EK by then.. 

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: CO58
Posted 2013-07-16 02:30:09 and read 3316 times.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 32):
It will be a B77W.

Why not a 77L or a classic 772? Does AMS really need all that capacity?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: 1400mph
Posted 2013-07-16 03:56:22 and read 3140 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
This is either an extremely risky investment or a huge middle finger to IB and IAG.

It's not a surprise really and all those A380's weren't ordered with no plan on the table.

I've just had a look at the traffic for the rest of the day. It's all short-haul stuff apart from 1 767 and 2 777's and one of those is EK. The airport is underserved going east and EK's is the main player of very few that can exploit that with their Dubai transfer hub.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: UALWN
Posted 2013-07-16 06:55:09 and read 2867 times.

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 37):
The airport is underserved going east and EK's is the main player of very few that can exploit that with their Dubai transfer hub.

Until a few years ago BCN was totally unserved going East. Now there is QR with a daily A333 (and two rotations during some days in the summer). There's SQ with almost daily 77Ws to SIN (some stopping at MXP), and EK with a daily 77W to be upgraded to an A388. Not so underserved, I'd say. None of these routes existed 5 or 6 years ago.

[Edited 2013-07-16 06:58:24]

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB
Username: Azure
Posted 2013-07-16 08:06:20 and read 2743 times.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 38):
Not so underserved, I'd say. None of these routes existed 5 or 6 years ago.

Well, the growth is there obviously, but only due to EK, QR and SQ, ie "foreign" carriers. Considering the figures given by behramjee (Reply 20) and the analysis by SCQ83 (reply 23), it seems a bit odd that Spain's flag carrier never tried DXB, NRT, PVG, DEL or BKK from either MAD or BCN... Besides VFR and O&D between Spain and these asian destinations, IB could take advantage of these services to connect (6th freedom) Asia and South America where it is the leading European airline - but for how long ? This market is growing... Any idea why IB never thought of this ?


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