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Topic: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: THrust
Posted 2013-07-14 19:34:32 and read 14288 times.

Does AA plan to paint the 757 and 767-200 in the new colorscheme? If so, when?

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: Independence76
Posted 2013-07-14 19:53:36 and read 14183 times.

Uncertain.

Their new American Way magazine shows their entire fleet in the new livery so we get a hint of what it would look like, but it comes into question whether or not these aircraft may be retired more quickly after the merger.

If the retirement of these aircraft come later, then we might see a few birds in the livery (my guess is around mid-to-late-2014).

Of course, this is all before the debate of whether or not Parker will keep the livery post-merger. A lot of people on this site are dead-set on an outcome that none of us can see. Point is, nothing is truly set in stone yet, and the answer regarding the brand's future is probably behind closed doors in Tempe.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2013-07-14 19:54:51 and read 14175 times.

The 757 will certainly see the new scheme. AA have already announced that many will get repainted. The 762 almost certainly will be retired before all the rest of the fleets of the planes are repainted. Once the A321s start arriving at the end of the year, it will only be a matter of time.

The only wrench is that those 762s that US has may see the new livery. AA doesn't have enough international uplift now to replace those birds, and neither does US which won't receive the new A350s for years.

If they want to rebrand quickly, its possible they could get repainted. Who knows, maybe even the AA 762s would get reconfigured for US-style international service.

I doubt it, but stranger things have happened. Either way, get flights on the 762 while you still can.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: JFKPurser
Posted 2013-07-15 07:38:39 and read 10492 times.

People seem to be operating under the assumption that after the merger, the new livery will remain. This is far from a forgone conclusion based on Parker's comments on the matter. I would say one in about 50 of AA and US employees I have encountered either directly or on various social media sites even remotely like the new AA scheme. And he is clear that he believes American's employees should be supportive of the way the company's planes look.That said, based on his actual comments, like:

"Maybe we need to do something slightly different than that," he said when asked directly. "It may be something dramatically different than that. I really don't know the answer."

"The only reason this is an issue now is because they just did it right in the middle, which kind of makes it confusing, so that gives us an opportunity, actually, to decide if we are going to do something different because we have so many airplanes to paint."

...I would venture to say we are looking at some changes ahead.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/business/...Become-Its-Old-Look-200532901.html

And yes -- I am aware this has been discussed ad hominem in other threads on a.net...

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-07-15 07:49:05 and read 10346 times.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 2):
AA doesn't have enough international uplift now to replace those birds, and neither does US which won't receive the new A350s for years.

IMO, AA and US together have enough widebodies without any 762s. AA is receiving 77W (will that continue? uncertain) and US is receiving A332s. If anything, they might have too many widebodies. If they were to cut money-losing China services, it would free up an uncomfortable amount of capacity.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: kann123air
Posted 2013-07-15 08:05:29 and read 10120 times.

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 1):
Their new American Way magazine shows their entire fleet in the new livery so we get a hint of what it would look like

So for the first time in a LONG time, American Way has the fleet...? Nice!

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2013-07-15 08:37:24 and read 9672 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
AA is receiving 77W (will that continue? uncertain)

AA has received seven 77Ws so far, and will take delivery of another five this year. The final eight (of 20 ordered) will be delivered next year. There is no uncertainty about these orders as they are firm and in the pipeline.

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 3):
I would venture to say we are looking at some changes ahead.

Personally, if I had to guess, I'd say Parker was paying lip service and the livery is likely to stay. But I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, although it is starting to grow on me.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-07-15 09:09:54 and read 9264 times.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 2):
AA doesn't have enough international uplift now to replace those birds, and neither does US which won't receive the new A350s for years.
Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
IMO, AA and US together have enough widebodies without any 762s.

There will be more than enough replacement capacity for the 762s. Once the merger closes, I expect that to be the type phased out most quickly. Both airlines want to get rid of them ASAP, and with 757s, 763s, A330s and 777s, they should easily be able to. AA today has substantial slack widebody capacity.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
If anything, they might have too many widebodies.

I don't think the issue will be "too many" widebodies.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
If they were to cut money-losing China services, it would free up an uncomfortable amount of capacity.

I think the focus should and will be on making money-losing services into money-making ones. In Asia, the biggest challenge AA faces is the planes are horribly configured. Those 777s are not nearly dense enough, and as a result the CASM on those jets is uncompetitive. With the right 777 configuration, and/or 787s, Asia should improve for AA.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 6):
But I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, although it is starting to grow on me.

I agree. I heard about a bunch of people - employees and non-employees - complaining about the new paint when they first saw the renderings or pictures of it, but most people I know have started to warm to it as they've seen it in person. I have to say - I'm one of them. I like the new logo, but didn't like the new scheme (especially the tail) until I saw it in person. Now, I actually don't think it's that bad at all.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-07-15 09:18:39 and read 9149 times.

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 3):
People seem to be operating under the assumption that after the merger, the new livery will remain. This is far from a forgone conclusion based on Parker's comments on the matter. I would say one in about 50 of AA and US employees I have encountered either directly or on various social media sites even remotely like the new AA scheme. And he is clear that he believes American's employees should be supportive of the way the company's planes look.That said, based on his actual comments, like:

"Maybe we need to do something slightly different than that," he said when asked directly. "It may be something dramatically different than that. I really don't know the answer."

"The only reason this is an issue now is because they just did it right in the middle, which kind of makes it confusing, so that gives us an opportunity, actually, to decide if we are going to do something different because we have so many airplanes to paint."

...I would venture to say we are looking at some changes ahead.

No their not.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-07-15 09:33:46 and read 8953 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):

Um .. Yes they are ..

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: Independence76
Posted 2013-07-15 12:36:52 and read 7077 times.

I'll say this again as a strict truth to our knowledge on the actual future of the AA livery post-merger as of July 15, 2013 before a flame war breaks out over nothing:

We don't know what will happen to the livery under new management.

There. That's what we know. If you want more information about it, then call up some folks in Tempe and see if they give you more solid answers than Parker.

[Edited 2013-07-15 12:38:02]

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: AT
Posted 2013-07-15 14:09:42 and read 6079 times.

The "grow on me" with respect to liveries has become a theme among A.netters (me included) in recent years and I am curious as to what the psychology behind it is. I remember when the Japan Airlines Red Sun livery came out I thought it was the most awful thing in the world. But it grew on me. When KLM modified its livery some years ago, I thought it looked so incomplete initially, but now love it. Same with AA. I was quite unimpressed when I first saw it, but it too has grown on me, and when I spotted two 77Ws and two 737s in the new colors yesterday at JFK, they looked smart. I only wish the silver grey color had a little more shine to it (like the Skyteam livery).

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 10):
We don't know what will happen to the livery under new management.

True, but I would reckon that chances are it is here to stay. It simply would be too costly to undergo yet another transformation so soon. Plus, if there was any uncertainty, wouldn't they temporarily stop painting the fleet until resolved?

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-07-15 14:41:09 and read 5760 times.

Quoting AT (Reply 11):
True, but I would reckon that chances are it is here to stay. It simply would be too costly to undergo yet another transformation so soon. Plus, if there was any uncertainty, wouldn't they temporarily stop painting the fleet until resolved?

Would AA, who is still in bankruptcy, keep repainting aircraft if they did not know if they were keeping it? Also, I believe the introduction of the new livery so close to the merger announcement had already been agreed to in the merger talks. It is in my not so humble opinion that the US management had already given the OK to paint not only the new deliveries in the new livery but also repainting the older aircraft in the AA fleet. I would like to see the 762s of both airlines in the new paint but I don't think that will happen to both fleets, but it would be nice to see one of them done. As for the 757s, We may not see all of them painted but we should see some of them.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: laca773
Posted 2013-07-15 16:51:35 and read 4643 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):

I agree. I heard about a bunch of people - employees and non-employees - complaining about the new paint when they first saw the renderings or pictures of it, but most people I know have started to warm to it as they've seen it in person. I have to say - I'm one of them. I like the new logo, but didn't like the new scheme (especially the tail) until I saw it in person. Now, I actually don't think it's that bad at all.



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I've heard similar from employees and elites alike. However, the majority concede the the tail is a horrible failure, and something needs to be done with that through the merger process. The other's who are neutral, could care less, they are not happy with AA period.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Or AA 762 In New Livery?
Username: OB1504
Posted 2013-07-16 20:32:41 and read 3160 times.

The employees I've spoken to who actually have an opinion think it looks okay, but most really don't care what the planes look like and are more concerned about job security and quality of life.


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