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Topic: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: ANCsupercub
Posted 2013-07-19 23:16:17 and read 6118 times.

With the increased competition this summer, does anyone have any insight how SEA-ANC is performing for AS, DL, UA, or B6? The fares/miles bonuses are great. I hope to see these carriers bring back service next summer and perhaps continue some service into the winter (wishful thinking). I know that other routes were started and I am curious how those are doing as well.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2013-07-20 02:22:50 and read 5865 times.

With all the options that carriers have opened up, I've avoided ANC-SEA like the plague.
Evidently (and maybe I should keep my mouth shut about this), none of UA's premier members have discovered the SFO route yet; I got an EASY upgrade as a lowly silver, and we even went out with seats EMPTY in F!!!! I haven't seen that in ages out of ANC.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-07-20 02:24:59 and read 5861 times.

I know that each carrier carries tons of fish from Alaska to the global seafood market in Seattle, with a lot of that going to the US and Asia. So during the season, it seems a never ending supply of fish is waiting to fill the bellies of just about any airlines aircraft. just so they get their wares as quickly and as fresh as possible to it's ultimate destination.

IIRC, TWA was flying mail contracts STL-PDX-ANC and return, and that was the reason the seasonal serviced lasted several tears, much less revenue from passengers than expected. The station managers in both places told me, that that run had very few paying premium passengers, despite a fairly large F cabin for an MD83.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: roseflyer
Posted 2013-07-20 08:50:19 and read 5469 times.

Fares are lower than I can ever remember them. 3 week advance purchase well under $300.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2013-07-20 09:17:07 and read 5383 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 3):
Fares are lower than I can ever remember them. 3 week advance purchase well under $300.

Thanks to B6, I was able to do a day trip to ANC from SEA for $235 roundtrip on AS.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: ANCsupercub
Posted 2013-07-20 09:52:38 and read 5315 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 3):

Fares are lower than I can ever remember them. 3 week advance purchase well under $300.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
Thanks to B6, I was able to do a day trip to ANC from SEA for $235 roundtrip on AS

Well that is part of the reason I asked. The fares are unbelievable. I booked a RT flight for $220 and its at decent times. Not to mention, Alaska is tripling the miles so I am earning 11500 miles for one RT flight. In the winter I would pay 500-700 dollars for that ticket. Part of me feels bad because I feel like I should be supporting the competition to help keep the fares low, but $220 was too good to pass up. I just hope everyone is filling their planes enough to come back.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):

With all the options that carriers have opened up, I've avoided ANC-SEA like the plague.

I am curious why you say that the increase competition has made you avoid the route? With the low fares, wouldn't you want to fly more?

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2013-07-20 11:43:43 and read 5141 times.

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 5):
I am curious why you say that the increase competition has made you avoid the route? With the low fares, wouldn't you want to fly more?

I should have been more clear.
With the increase in OTHER routes (UA: DEN, SFOx2, ORD, IAH, EWR on Saturday.... some of which aren't new, but SFO is, and DEN is new since the merger), Virgin, JetBlue to TWO cities, Delta's usual summer blitz.....
...with all these routes, I have the luxury of avoiding the ANC-SEA run, which in general is undesirable because it's too short to get any appreciable sleep on. SFO is only marginally longer, while DEN and ORD I can get 5 hours of sleep if I'm lucky.

So, while everyone is duking it out on their way to Seattle, I'm chilling with an easy upgrade to SFO or elsewhere!

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: PITrules
Posted 2013-07-20 12:31:05 and read 4867 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 4):

Thanks to B6, I was able to do a day trip to ANC from SEA for $235 roundtrip on AS.

Wouldn't it be appropriate to 'thank' B6 by flying B6? After all, they are the reason AS is charging $235.

This is an issue that comes up frequently. A LCC comes in and lowers fares, causing the competition to do the same. The local flyers continue to fly the incumbent carriers, and the LCC pulls out. Fares skyrocket back to where they were. Use it or lose it.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2013-07-20 14:42:32 and read 4142 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 7):
Wouldn't it be appropriate to 'thank' B6 by flying B6? After all, they are the reason AS is charging $235.

It's impossible to "thank" an airline that only serves your city three months out of the year.
Welcome to Anchorage.
AA, VA, B6, F9, and AC are all seasonal here, and consequently don't get my business.
How can they? I'm an elite member of an airline that flies here year round.
So the fact that they come in and undercut the established carriers is not my problem.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: PITrules
Posted 2013-07-20 15:01:03 and read 4040 times.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
It's impossible to "thank" an airline that only serves your city three months out of the year.
Welcome to Anchorage.
AA, VA, B6, F9, and AC are all seasonal here, and consequently don't get my business.
How can they? I'm an elite member of an airline that flies here year round.
So the fact that they come in and undercut the established carriers is not my problem.

Why is it impossible to fly an airline that offers seasonal service during the period it offers service? Are the miles you get on one ticket worth the several hundred dollars you would otherwise save when there is low cost competition? You might not see this as "your problem", but the fact that Anchorage is highly seasonal is not the problem of the LCCs either... hence they are happy to only serve it seasonally.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2013-07-20 16:00:12 and read 3712 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 3):
Fares are lower than I can ever remember them. 3 week advance purchase well under $300.

My wife purchased a DCA-ANC fare on UA in mid to late August for $392.00 round trip. I saw the DCA-SFO-ANC option. She opted for a later departure out of DCA which connects her through IAH on the outbound leg and ANC-DEN-DCA on the return leg. The ANC-DEN segment being a redeye.

I cant remember seeing fares this low ever. Perhaps the OZ accident intimidated her a little bit. She's always enjoyed visiting San Fransisco specifically Golden Gate park. She took a tour of Alcatraz a few years back.

I priced ANC-Juneau-ANC as a possible side trip on AS. The two airports are roughly separated by 1:15 flight time in each direction. AS fare came in just shy of her DCA-ANC UA fare. This is no doubt the lack of competition which I term sole sorcery.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: ANCsupercub
Posted 2013-07-20 17:28:33 and read 3316 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):
Why is it impossible to fly an airline that offers seasonal service during the period it offers service? Are the miles you get on one ticket worth the several hundred dollars you would otherwise save when there is low cost competition? You might not see this as "your problem", but the fact that Anchorage is highly seasonal is not the problem of the LCCs either... hence they are happy to only serve it seasonally.

While clearly what you say is true, Anchorage is very seasonal, we are still able to sustain substantial service in the winter.

In the winter, Alaska Airlines has 10-15 flights from Anchorage to Seattle every day on top of service to Portland, Chicago (I think this ends from Jan-Feb), Honolulu, Maui, and now Phoenix and Las Vegas (not daily). Other than United's 2 flights a day to Seattle, US Airways flight a day to Phoenix, and Delta's flight to Minneapolis, there isn't any competition in the winter. I would love to see someone give Alaska real competition.

Alaskans love to travel, especially in the winter. Most of the flights go out full, and if they don't the fares are pretty high (which I'm sure makes up for it). Alaska, with the number of flight they offer, are demonstrating there is demand. They are filling 10-15 planes a day at an average over $500 a ticket RT (this is speculation on my part, but based on what I pay, I am guessing it is higher than 500) for a 1400 mile flight. If someone gave Anchorage a shot in the winter, with more than one or two red eye flights a day, I would love to switch my flying from Alaska. But most of the time, the times/schedule offered don't make sense for me to try someone else out.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2013-07-20 18:21:23 and read 3080 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 7):
Wouldn't it be appropriate to 'thank' B6 by flying B6? After all, they are the reason AS is charging $235.

This is an issue that comes up frequently. A LCC comes in and lowers fares, causing the competition to do the same. The local flyers continue to fly the incumbent carriers, and the LCC pulls out. Fares skyrocket back to where they were. Use it or lose it.

Yes...and I will one of the first to admit that I use airlines to get low fares on AS. B6's schedule was not good for me.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: chrisair
Posted 2013-07-20 21:19:15 and read 2335 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):
Why is it impossible to fly an airline that offers seasonal service during the period it offers service?

Because there are people who don't want to fragment their mileage earnings. Plus, AS has something like 20+ flights a day on SEA-ANC. jetBlue has one. It amazes me that people get so upset when folks say they'd rather fly AS. Perhaps someone doesn't want to leave SEA at 8p or ANC at 1a? Maybe they'd rather leave at 11a or 7a.

So, because of jetBlue, I might head to Anchorage in a couple weeks for the weekend. I could do it for $500 r/t, with one leg in F on DL. When I went in 2009, I paid close to $1,000 for a SAN-SEA-ANC-PDX itinerary.

As I've said before, I'm a huge jetBlue (and VX) fan! I love them. They make it possible for me to save some money when I travel and still earn my AS miles.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-07-21 00:27:44 and read 1916 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
Yes...and I will one of the first to admit that I use airlines to get low fares on AS. B6's schedule was not good for me.

Uh so does everybody. I'm not so sure what the aggressive approach to this topic from the others is.

NS

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2013-07-21 02:41:04 and read 1819 times.

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 11):
I would love to switch my flying from Alaska.

I'm always perplexed by statements like this. A small, very vocal group of Alaska residents love to howl about the "monopoly" that AS has and that they'd 'love to fly someone else', yet when they fly the competition it's always a matter of "the service wasn't as good as AS", "I want my AS miles, though", or "Well, the schedule wasn't as good as AS."

So in short, they usually love the service AS provides, enjoy the schedule frequency, and want to continue to build their Mileage Plan balance.

But they "would love to switch their flying from AS."

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2013-07-21 02:43:04 and read 1818 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):
Are the miles you get on one ticket worth the several hundred dollars you would otherwise save when there is low cost competition?

In a word, YES. Furthermore, it's not "several hundred dollars." The best prices I've bought in the past year have been during fall and Thanksgiving, when your beloved low fare carriers are nowhere to be seen.
As a premier member, every mile is important to me, doubly so given that I receive bonuses. Why on earth would I fly to LoCo's in the summer, and miss out on all my miles? It's called a LOYALTY program, because it engenders my LOYALTY.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):
You might not see this as "your problem", but the fact that Anchorage is highly seasonal is not the problem of the LCCs either... hence they are happy to only serve it seasonally.

Fantastic. I live here. Therefore, it makes no sense for me to fly a carrier that can't make a business case to serve "here" year-round.


But, back on topic, it really surprised me when Delta and JetBlue jumped on the ANC-SEA bandwagon. Way too much capacity, in my opinion.

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-07-21 04:26:46 and read 1751 times.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
It's impossible to "thank" an airline that only serves your city three months out of the year

It has been a long time now that lower 48 airlines, fly seasonally to Alaska. Don't know why B6 is any bigger of a deal than QQ or even CO or UA when they first started with summer only flights.

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 11):
Alaskans love to travel, especially in the winter. Most of the flights go out full, and if they don't the fares are pretty high (which I'm sure makes up for it).

I hope HA can make the 321NEO work on a HNL-ANC route, as obviously the 767 is too much bird, even in high season.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15):
I'm always perplexed by statements like this. A small, very vocal group of Alaska residents love to howl about the "monopoly" that AS has and that they'd 'love to fly someone else',

Maybe they are past loyal WC and BF fans, who can hold a grudge for a very long time.  

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: PITrules
Posted 2013-07-21 04:49:03 and read 1725 times.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 16):

In a word, YES. Furthermore, it's not "several hundred dollars."

That's not what is being experienced by myself and by others:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 13):

So, because of jetBlue, I might head to Anchorage in a couple weeks for the weekend. I could do it for $500 r/t, with one leg in F on DL. When I went in 2009, I paid close to $1,000 for a SAN-SEA-ANC-PDX itinerary.

The high cost of tickets from ANC is well established and documented.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 16):
The best prices I've bought in the past year have been during fall and Thanksgiving,

The local off season and on a holiday in which few travel to/from ANC.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 16):
Why on earth would I fly to LoCo's in the summer, and miss out on all my miles? It's called a LOYALTY program, because it engenders my LOYALTY.

Again, I'd love to see how 3000 ff miles are worth more than several hundred dollars.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 13):
It amazes me that people get so upset when folks say they'd rather fly AS. Perhaps someone doesn't want to leave SEA at 8p or ANC at 1a? Maybe they'd rather leave at 11a or 7a.

That's fine, schedules are important but likewise it amazes me that people complain about monopolies, high fares, etc all while not supporting the competition which saves them several hundred dollars per ticket, even if its only on a seasonal basis.

[Edited 2013-07-21 05:38:27]

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2013-07-21 08:27:56 and read 1544 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 18):
Again, I'd love to see how 3000 ff miles are worth more than several hundred dollars.



Spot on, As a mileage plan member I can purchase 3000 AS frequent flyer miles in increments of a 1000 for $29.00 per thousand. Three thousand miles would cost $87.00 including all taxes.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 18):
The local off season and on a holiday in which few travel to/from ANC.


You forget to consider the world renowned Alyeska ski resort forty three miles south of ANC. I've met quite a few people from the lower 48 who Winter vacation in ANC and drive or ride the Alaska Railroad daily to Girdwood. A few military base morale programs in the lower 48 offer discounted Ski packages for the military family who can also lodge at Joint-Base Elmendorf-Richardson. Quite a bit of the Hollywood elite ski Alyeska to keep the paparazzi at bay.

You also have the Iditarod sled dog race which gets underway the first Saturday in March. Another Winter event is the NASCAR of the north event in the Iron Dog snow machine race which has its own following. You also have significant Asian travel to ANC and FAI to view the Northern Lights. Some Asian cultures believe if a child is conceived under the northern lights that child will be gifted and go onto great things.

[Edited 2013-07-21 09:24:24]

Topic: RE: SEA-ANC Performance?
Username: superdash
Posted 2013-07-21 10:30:45 and read 1408 times.

I've flown SEA-ANC on Alaska a few times this summer. At the time when tickets are "normal" priced and the planes have been full.

Doesn't mean that JetBlue, United and Delta haven't taken a bite out of Alaska, but from personal experience, Alaska is doing just fine and it looks like any other summer on the SEA-ANC route.


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