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Topic: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-07-18 15:04:37 and read 9907 times.

Hainan Airlines is seeking approval from Chinese authorities to commence service to Boston.

According to the carrier it is seeking to launch a daily service from Beijing next April utilizing Boeing 787s.

Story:
China's Hainan Airlines Plans Boston Route
http://goo.gl/c5KHR

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Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-07-18 15:13:45 and read 9876 times.

Another Asia/US route. This really appears to be 787 sweet spot.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-07-18 15:18:38 and read 9821 times.

Seems reasonable. The market can fill the plane and there seem to be a lot of educational and professional ties too.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-18 15:18:52 and read 9825 times.

This has been announced as far back as 2008. I'll believe it when I see it.
http://www.massport.com/news-room/Ne...teConnectingBostonLoganwithCh.aspx

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-07-18 15:20:35 and read 9802 times.

The 787 and Boston seen to be connected at the hip. It's certainly a great aircraft for the route.

-Dave

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-07-18 19:00:55 and read 9356 times.

Will they codeshare with KE BR or AA on this route?

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: ASA
Posted 2013-07-18 23:50:35 and read 8988 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):
This has been announced as far back as 2008. I'll believe it when I see it.
http://www.massport.com/news-room/Ne....aspx

I share the same doubts ... but in 2008, there were no 787s ... so hopefully, it is 'more' real this time 

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: Miami
Posted 2013-07-19 01:18:36 and read 8863 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):

I agree with you 100%. You must see it to believe it.

It's like Emirates to MIA, since 2007-Present      

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: Surfandsnow
Posted 2013-07-19 01:46:39 and read 8819 times.

PEK-BOS seems like the perfect mission for the 787. I'm guessing that HU never started the route because the A332 couldn't do it and the A346 is too big? In any case, it seems like the 787 is the only viable option for BOS transpacific service. Perhaps KE will return when they get their 787s?

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-07-19 02:08:26 and read 8772 times.

Awesome. Look forward to seeing it happen

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-07-19 02:45:57 and read 8714 times.

Well in terms of routing I pretty much thought a Beijing- Northeastern City route was inevitable, when it came to the 787. Either BOS, PHL, or IAD came to mind for me. Interesting to see what else happens in Bean Town with 787s in the coming years.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-19 06:31:10 and read 8474 times.

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 8):
PEK-BOS seems like the perfect mission for the 787. I'm guessing that HU never started the route because the A332 couldn't do it and the A346 is too big?

That may very well be the case but as I understand it they had to chose and they picked SEA instead of BOS. PEK-BOS would make it the A332's longest route by 200nm and BOS's relatively short runway may have been an issue.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-07-19 07:21:26 and read 8341 times.

Hainan Air should consider establishing themselves at proven markets first before venturing into such thin territory that even CA or UA wouldn't touch.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-07-19 07:34:58 and read 8292 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 11):
That may very well be the case but as I understand it they had to chose and they picked SEA instead of BOS.

Slightly related to the thread, does anyone know how HU's SEA-PEK flight is doing? Does it hold its own against DL?

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: ItalianFlyer
Posted 2013-07-19 08:03:05 and read 8061 times.

IF this happens (big I F)...how much traffic will this syphon from JAL?? I would guess that connecting traffic to PEK (and PVG) are important flows that make BOS-NRT work.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-07-19 08:08:26 and read 8012 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
Hainan Air should consider establishing themselves at proven markets first before venturing into such thin territory that even CA or UA wouldn't touch.

CA does not have 787s which is what makes this economical. I am not suggesting that this will definitely be a success but I am positive that waiting until competitive airlines launch it first and soak up the market is probably a losing strategy.

Good for them, hope it is successful.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: HeeseokKoo
Posted 2013-07-19 08:11:08 and read 7998 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
Hainan Air should consider establishing themselves at proven markets first before venturing into such thin territory that even CA or UA wouldn't touch.

Hainan wants to do that too. But Chinese authority doesn't allow two Chinese airlines operate the same long-haul international route. That excludes LAX, SFO, JFK, and IAH, which are already served by CA.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-07-19 08:22:31 and read 7890 times.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 16):
Hainan wants to do that too. But Chinese authority doesn't allow two Chinese airlines operate the same long-haul international route. That excludes LAX, SFO, JFK, and IAH, which are already served by CA.

They can ask for Chicago, Seattle, Washington DC ... I think all those would be better shot than BOS.

Or fly into DFW and negotiate an onward code-share with AA.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-07-19 08:47:53 and read 7718 times.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 14):

IF this happens (big I F)...how much traffic will this syphon from JAL?? I would guess that connecting traffic to PEK (and PVG) are important flows that make BOS-NRT work.

On the return to BOS the NRT flight does not connect well with JL's PVG and PEK flights

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):

Hainan Air should consider establishing themselves at proven markets first before venturing into such thin territory that even CA or UA wouldn't touch.

BOS is not a UA hub so they wouldn't touch it anyways.

What do you mean by thin? BOS-PEK is only 66 PDEW (48000 annual passengers) but they would also be able to connect to PVG, CAN, the rest of China, TPE, BUS, BKK, ICN (via KE codeshare) and HKG (via Hong Kong Airlines) plus more destinations as HU grows their PEK operation. You are starting to approach 300,000 passengers per year.

Granted, HU will have to try and capture the folks who like the legacy frequent flier programs. Tieing up with AA and B6 would help quite a bit as well.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-07-19 09:20:29 and read 7490 times.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 18):
What do you mean by thin? BOS-PEK is only 66 PDEW (48000 annual passengers) but they would also be able to connect to PVG, CAN, the rest of China, TPE, BUS, BKK, ICN (via KE codeshare) and HKG (via Hong Kong Airlines) plus more destinations as HU grows their PEK operation. You are starting to approach 300,000 passengers per year.

But you also got to subtract out how many of these are already leveraging the only nonstop service between BOS and Asia on JAL

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-07-19 09:41:29 and read 7354 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 19):
But you also got to subtract out how many of these are already leveraging the only nonstop service between BOS and Asia on JAL

Its up to HU to compete with JL for those passengers and not just assume they are taken.
It may not be that difficult since NRT is a restricted airport resulting in it being not the greatest hub for all of Asia.

The BOS-NRT flight does connect well with JL's red eye BKK and SIN flight (not huge markets to BOS under 40K/year) , HKG (sometimes via CX), rest of Japan, and ICN though those connections can be a bit tight as well.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-07-19 10:31:22 and read 7048 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
They can ask for Chicago, Seattle, Washington DC ...

They have.

ORD starts in September and they already serve Seattle. Plus they do Toronto in Canada.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-07-19 12:17:38 and read 6527 times.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 20):
The BOS-NRT flight does connect well with JL's red eye BKK and SIN flight (not huge markets to BOS under 40K/year) , HKG (sometimes via CX), rest of Japan, and ICN though those connections can be a bit tight as well.

The HKG connection is painful ... take off at 1am, land at 6am, barely 3.5 hr "red-eye", and sit at NRT for 5 hours before connecting flight

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-19 12:28:30 and read 6451 times.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 14):
IF this happens (big I F)...how much traffic will this syphon from JAL?? I would guess that connecting traffic to PEK (and PVG) are important flows that make BOS-NRT work.

Hardly any is my guess. There's enough demand between New England and East Asia for more than 1 and even 2 non-stops. But most importantly, PEK has not established itself as a connecting airport. I don't think the flying public would really chose PEK over NRT or any other option such as ORD, SFO, LAX.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-07-19 12:48:18 and read 6352 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 23):
Hardly any is my guess. There's enough demand between New England and East Asia for more than 1 and even 2 non-stops. But most importantly, PEK has not established itself as a connecting airport. I don't think the flying public would really chose PEK over NRT or any other option such as ORD, SFO, LAX.

There lies the problem. BOS is not a hub for anyone except B6, which is exactly the type of airline that doesn't connect to every tiny remote community in New England via SAABs and CRJs.

So BOS-Asian flights have to pretty much depend on BOS demand.

And if Hainan is pulling another ORD and do 2x weekly PEK-BOS, that's hardly competitive

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: ChrisNH
Posted 2013-07-19 13:11:50 and read 6454 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Hainan Airlines is seeking approval from Chinese authorities to commence service to Boston.

I think they already have it.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-07-19 13:58:38 and read 6265 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 24):
There lies the problem. BOS is not a hub for anyone except B6, which is exactly the type of airline that doesn't connect to every tiny remote community in New England via SAABs and CRJs.
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 25):
I think they already have it.

They lost it to China Eastern (MU) last year.

http://www.wcarn.com/cache/news/18/18585.html

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: ChrisNH
Posted 2013-07-19 14:14:35 and read 6290 times.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 26):
They lost it to China Eastern (MU) last year.

http://www.wcarn.com/cache/news/18/18585.html

Thanks for the clarification. But I suppose it does the Chinese authorities no good to give the approval to a carrier that can't (or shows no willingness to) start service over a carrier that can.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2013-07-19 15:09:26 and read 6031 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
Slightly related to the thread, does anyone know how HU's SEA-PEK flight is doing? Does it hold its own against DL?

I would imagine flights out of Seattle are doing decent, since they have been serving SEA for quite a while. Also, HU's flight times are optimal whereas DL's are not.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-07-19 15:54:45 and read 5974 times.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 27):

The People's Republic has a "one route one airline" rule for giving out authorities to their airlines but they tend to favor CA from what I've read.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 24):
There lies the problem. BOS is not a hub for anyone except B6, which is exactly the type of airline that doesn't connect to every tiny remote community in New England via SAABs and CRJs.

Two points:

1) A great majority of New-England China traffic is probably within 90 minutes of BOS. Obviously, a good portion of Connecticut prefers NYC airports and even sucking up the 1-stops/2-stops out of BDL.

2) B6 does fly to larger markets from BOS though that would have small, yet substantial when added up, traffic to Asia. I would say PIT, RIC, and BUF would have more traffic to Asia than PWM, BTV and LEB. JL definitely uses B6 feed from Florida for the BOS-NRT flight as well and it would be wise for HU to get a piece of the action.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-07-19 16:33:39 and read 5905 times.

Will the 787s be reliable by then? LOL

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-19 19:48:59 and read 5774 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 24):

There lies the problem. BOS is not a hub for anyone except B6, which is exactly the type of airline that doesn't connect to every tiny remote community in New England via SAABs and CRJs.

So BOS-Asian flights have to pretty much depend on BOS demand.

I think you missed my point. People flying from BOS to other places in Asia will likely chose other other cities as their connecting airport, over PEK, so HU would be primarily a p-2-p airline between BOS and PEK, and not take much if any traffic away from JL.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-07-19 19:58:49 and read 5744 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 31):
so HU would be primarily a p-2-p airline between BOS and PEK, and not take much if any traffic away from

Excepting the billion on so Chinese well connected by Hainan airlines from Beijing on HNA group carriers.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-20 05:49:08 and read 5400 times.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 32):
Excepting the billion on so Chinese well connected by Hainan airlines from Beijing on HNA group carriers.

Sure but that's outside the context of this discussion. The context is people traveling from Boston to other places in Asia via PEK so most likely not the billion or so Chinese that you speak of. At the risk of offending someone, I think there is a general skepticism amongst the "Western" flying public towards Chinese flag carriers. Now if the fares are cheap enough they will easily fill the plane but this is not a route where you want to cater to low yield traffic. On that note, does anyone know what king of seating configuration HU will have on their 787's?

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-07-20 06:43:10 and read 5358 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 33):
On that note, does anyone know what king of seating configuration HU will have on their 787's?

2-Class

36 Flat Beds 177 Coach

http://worldairlinenews.com/2013/07/...ina-will-go-into-service-tomorrow/

Quoting airbazar (Reply 31):
I think you missed my point. People flying from BOS to other places in Asia will likely chose other other cities as their connecting airport, over PEK.
Quoting airbazar (Reply 33):
I think there is a general skepticism amongst the "Western" flying public towards Chinese flag carriers.

I would hope people start reviewing the airlines online before making that assumption. I personally would give HU a shot based on what I've read and what I've seen with their 787's.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 31):
so HU would be primarily a p-2-p airline between BOS and PEK, and not take much if any traffic away from JL

It might not be that difficult to take traffic away from JL when the timings are better. Try to get BOS-NRT-PVG-NRT-BOS without any extra connections without an overnight - You can't! The schedule doesn't work on the return.

Schedule depending, one can connect to 35 other Chinese destinations, BKK, HKT, TPE, IKT, MLE, BUS, HKG, and CJU, GMP/ICN if KE codeshares.

Honesty if I were JL, I'd be very concerned if KE decides to restart BOS-ICN when they get their 789's

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-20 12:32:22 and read 5131 times.

Quoting Miami (Reply 7):
Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):

I agree with you 100%. You must see it to believe it.

It's like Emirates to MIA, since 2007-Present

   There are some destinations that are always going to be 'almost ready.'
I think it will happen, but picking a year becomes tough...

Quoting a380787 (Reply 24):
BOS is not a hub for anyone except B6, which is exactly the type of airline that doesn't connect to every tiny remote community in New England via SAABs and CRJs.

As noted in post #29 (requoted below), so what? BOS is a close enough *drive* to most of the market. Due to all the hassles added into connections, the short hop market has died. I think the market has potential *and* enough connectoins.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 29):
1) A great majority of New-England China traffic is probably within 90 minutes of BOS. Obviously, a good portion of Connecticut prefers NYC airports and even sucking up the 1-stops/2-stops out of BDL.

And its usually lovely driving.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 29):
B6 does fly to larger markets from BOS though that would have small, yet substantial when added up, traffic to Asia. I would say PIT, RIC, and BUF would have more traffic to Asia than PWM, BTV and LEB. JL definitely uses B6 feed from Florida for the BOS-NRT flight as well and it would be wise for HU to get a piece of the action.

   However, due to other competing hubs, I wouldn't expect poor RASM South or East of PIT.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 34):
It might not be that difficult to take traffic away from JL when the timings are better. Try to get BOS-NRT-PVG-NRT-BOS without any extra connections without an overnight - You can't! The schedule doesn't work on the return.

Connections at NRT are poor. There simply isn't any frequency. Since most passengers just book online, they are not going for split hub options.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-07-20 12:58:21 and read 5082 times.

My bet is that this flight would be mainly targeted to Chinese-originated passengers. The number of Chinese students in US universities has exploded in the last few years. Many of those students in Boston tend to remain in the area (probably because that is what they know in a foreign place), at least from what I saw. It is not only the students (that are from middle-upper classes or in good scholarships, which mean several flights a year back and forth to China), but also universities are more open to China... which means more Business travel (conferences, executive education, etc.)

Go to Cambridge, and there are groups of Chinese tourists everywhere.

As the Chinese economy becomes more sophisticated, there are also more connections with Boston-based businesses (biotech, PE, technology...)

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: Miami
Posted 2013-07-20 14:52:03 and read 4995 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35):
I think it will happen, but picking a year becomes tough...

Which route are you talking about? PEK-BOS or DXB-MIA ?

-Miami   

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: TWA85
Posted 2013-07-21 20:51:25 and read 4510 times.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 16):

Will China ever amend the "One Route One Airline" policy to enable smaller Chinese airlines to begin long-haul service to the major cities that the big three already serve?

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-22 05:04:06 and read 4233 times.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 34):
It might not be that difficult to take traffic away from JL when the timings are better. Try to get BOS-NRT-PVG-NRT-BOS without any extra connections without an overnight - You can't! The schedule doesn't work on the return.

If the schedule is bad then those passengers are not flying with JL in the first place, so there are no passengers to take from JL  
Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 34):
Honesty if I were JL, I'd be very concerned if KE decides to restart BOS-ICN when they get their 789's

Not necessarily. I believe BOS-NRT is primarily O&D on the NRT side and I believe that is the market that JL is after considering the low density of their 788's. They don't seem very interested in transporting low yield connecting passengers on their 788's. And like I said before, I believe that there is room for more than one BOS-Asia non-stop carrier. It's UA that would suffer the most out of BOS if you ask me. UA connects a lot of pax from BOS and MHT to Asia via ORD and they would just about lose all of it except for the most loyal FF's.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-07-22 05:49:51 and read 4159 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 39):
Not necessarily. I believe BOS-NRT is primarily O&D on the NRT side and I believe that is the market that JL is after considering the low density of their 788's.

TYO-BOS was under 100 PDEW around 2010 or so and dropped considerably due to the March 2011 Tsunami. Aside from premium traffic, they need connections to make the route work (which it seems it is working) unless traffic has been strongly stimulated. This may be the case and we'd need 2012 MIDT data to know what is going on.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 39):
It's UA that would suffer the most out of BOS if you ask me. UA connects a lot of pax from BOS and MHT to Asia via ORD and they would just about lose all of it except for the most loyal FF's.


Agreed. DL also stands to lose a bit as well.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-22 06:51:58 and read 4058 times.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 40):
TYO-BOS was under 100 PDEW around 2010 or so and dropped considerably due to the March 2011 Tsunami. Aside from premium traffic, they need connections to make the route work (which it seems it is working) unless traffic has been strongly stimulated. This may be the case and we'd need 2012 MIDT data to know what is going on.

I wouldn't be susprised if the market was greatly stimulated from the start of this route but I'm sure there is some connecting traffic. I just don't think that is the bread&butter of the route. A friend of mine who lives in Manchester NH works for a company that is HQ'd outside of Tokyo. He travels there every couple of months and there's a good amount of travel between the 2 offices. Their preferred carrier is UA and he is a UA FF and the typical route used to be MHT-ORD-NRT. However since the start of the BOS-NRT flight just about everyone in his company has switched to the BOS-NRT flight, opting to drive to/from BOS in order to skip the connection in ORD. I can imagine that the same is happening for people who used to fly out of BDL and PVD. So when you look at the numbers for this market it's important to look at all of New England, not just BOS.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-07-22 08:30:26 and read 3964 times.

Quoting TWA85 (Reply 38):
Will China ever amend the "One Route One Airline" policy to enable smaller Chinese airlines to begin long-haul service to the major cities that the big three already serve?

One point of Chinese airline policy is minimize intra-carrier competition. One way this is done each carrier basically is based in a different city and gets its own spheres of influence.

Hainan is a bit different being privately held as part of a larger group and has a secondary home over at PEK T-1. But route authorities still follow CAAC practice of minimizing competition between carriers. Personally, I think this is a good idea and helps build the broader Chinese industry and lets them worry about foreign competitors and not about clobbering each other.

But this is not the end of the world. Secondary airline Chinese companies besides Hainan do fly outside the country including longhaul. I was in YVR recently and saw Sichuan Airlines connects Shenyang and Chengdu with Canada. I think its great we see things besides the regular PEK and PVG flights.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: RobertS975
Posted 2013-07-22 09:09:25 and read 3898 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
The 787 and Boston seen to be connected at the hip. It's certainly a great aircraft for the route.

What do you mean.? Right now, we have one 787 flight a day to NRT. Of course, BOS had a 787 parked for three months after the JL fire.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-22 09:14:47 and read 3887 times.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 43):
What do you mean.? Right now, we have one 787 flight a day to NRT. Of course, BOS had a 787 parked for three months after the JL fire.

He's implying that the 787 is the perfect aircraft to open non-stop routes between BOS and Asia.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: ChrisNH
Posted 2013-07-22 09:50:37 and read 3845 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 44):
He's implying that the 787 is the perfect aircraft to open non-stop routes between BOS and Asia.

Exactly. Most airlines are using the 787 for 'long and thin' routes that would perfectly define anything from Boston to either Asia or the Middle East. There are some carriers (Norwegian, for example) that have decided to use the plane on existing premiere routes rather than opening new ones up.

When you're speaking about airline routes to Asia or the Middle East, 'Boston' becomes a whole lot more than the 625,000 people living within its 50-mile perimeter. And even more than the 4.6 million people comprising its MSA. Someone up in Biddeford, Maine, for example, will happily take these flights...even though Biddeford is well outside the Boston MSA.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: ASA
Posted 2013-07-22 10:42:59 and read 3791 times.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 45):
Exactly. Most airlines are using the 787 for 'long and thin' routes that would perfectly define anything from Boston to either Asia or the Middle East. There are some carriers (Norwegian, for example) that have decided to use the plane on existing premiere routes rather than opening new ones up.

When you're speaking about airline routes to Asia or the Middle East, 'Boston' becomes a whole lot more than the 625,000 people living within its 50-mile perimeter. And even more than the 4.6 million people comprising its MSA. Someone up in Biddeford, Maine, for example, will happily take these flights...even though Biddeford is well outside the Boston MSA.

Can't wait to see more 787 routes opening up from BOS ...

QR was rumored to have plans for BOS using the 787 a while ago ... but nothing since then. Nothing from the other interested parties from that part of the world either ... EK or TK (although these two won't be sending 787s anyway)

Hope HU's plan materializes this time ... any chance AI might be interested?  

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: ASA
Posted 2013-07-22 18:35:29 and read 3562 times.

Not related to this topic - but TK actually opened up today! What are the odds 
TK To Boston As Of S14
(by TurkishWings Jul 22 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: dtfg
Posted 2013-07-23 08:19:07 and read 3282 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
Slightly related to the thread, does anyone know how HU's SEA-PEK flight is doing? Does it hold its own against DL?

If you look at the traffic data released by DOT you'll find that HU has exceeded DL on this route as their average load factor is above 90% in peak season, and around 85% even in winter, when DL could hardly fill more than 70% of the plane.

It seems to be surprising but it's true. That's why HU made it daily in summer last year.

Topic: RE: Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston
Username: dtfg
Posted 2013-07-23 08:29:59 and read 3271 times.

Yes HU had planned it years ago but they did not have the right equipment. BOS is too far for 332s and not good for 346s (insufficient demand or runway restrictions or both). Hopefully they will make it work with 787s

However, if you look at CAAC website, you'll find that HU had applied dozens of north american routes but most of them, including CKG=PEK=EWR, PEK=YYZ=EWR, PEK=SFO, PVG=SFO, PVG=EWR ect., were never seen. So yeas I will not believe it until I see it, even for their ORD service which is scheduled to start in September.

Yibo


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