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Topic: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-07-09 06:09:37 and read 9987 times.

What's one more?

Service begins Oct 30 and will go twice weekly.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...r_to_offer_LAHonolulu_flights.html

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: blr380
Posted 2013-07-09 07:04:35 and read 9771 times.

Wow - didn't see this one coming. I love the innovativeness of G4 and their business model. Just curious, is it a G4 policy not to start any route that already has competition / over-served? Wonder how this new route fits their model.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-07-09 07:04:50 and read 9767 times.

To me that is very very interesting. To me this marks a major change in strategy for G4 toward the NK model. I can't really think of any other major market they have ever entered from primary airports on both sides. It's possible they flew something like LAS-SAN before and I have forgotten, but even so LAS is a hub so this is still different in that LAX is hardly a hub like LAS is. G4 does have some flights in LAX, but G4 is a nit in LAX and a major player in LAS.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-07-09 07:08:38 and read 9737 times.

Since "Plan A" didn't seem to work out real well, I guess G4 has moved on to "Plan B"! Very interesting -- which cities are to be connected to the Islands next?

bb

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-07-09 07:18:53 and read 9681 times.

Funny - when news came out they would do Hawaii, I always said they should do LA.

First its a huge market, largest mainland-Hawaii market, so there is lots of traffic to go around. Secondly it has historically always had pseudo charter like carrier catering to vacation package clients a void which has been vacant since ATA's demise. In such a huge market there is clearly a market segment that G4 can tap imo with its package offerings.

p.s. - I do think this was part of plan A to begin with. Remember the LGB slots G4 got? Hawaii flying just took too long to come around while they had to nurse the LGB slots with odd ball short flying.

[Edited 2013-07-09 07:24:21]

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-07-09 07:20:27 and read 9660 times.

Quoting blr380 (Reply 1):
Wonder how this new route fits their model.

Allegiant must be seeing the need for a "value market" to Hawaii. I wouldn't be surprised to see them come out of the Bay Area or San Diego next.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: KarlB737
Posted 2013-07-09 08:05:34 and read 9458 times.

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Service begins Oct 30 and will go twice weekly.

And as low as $99.00.....................

Press Release: Allegiant Travel Company

Allegiant Announces New Nonstop To Hawaii Starting At $99*

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/allegi...top-hawaii-starting-110202504.html

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: HiFlyerAS
Posted 2013-07-09 09:20:43 and read 9188 times.

"Carrier Usage Charge" of $20 and "Segment fee" of $7.80 when booking G4 LAX-HNL r/t...what's up with that? New ways of nickel and diming people in hidden charges?

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-09 09:47:30 and read 9059 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):

Since "Plan A" didn't seem to work out real well, I guess G4 has moved on to "Plan B"!

I'm with LAXintl, this was always plan A. I speculate they needed to establish the hotel contracts by offering new markets before competing in more established markets. Just my   

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 7):
"Carrier Usage Charge" of $20 and "Segment fee" of $7.80 when booking G4 LAX-HNL r/t...what's up with that? New ways of nickel and diming people in hidden charges?

That I have a problem with...

I desire a search engine that compares fares with all fees. (e.g., check boxes for what you want.) I end up comparing fares with Orbitz and then booking on airlines sans fees just because fees are so annoying (and why risk tripping a fee you didn't know about?).

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2013-07-09 09:51:42 and read 9036 times.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 7):

"Carrier Usage Charge" of $20 and "Segment fee" of $7.80 when booking G4 LAX-HNL r/t...what's up with that? New ways of nickel and diming people in hidden charges?

Everyone is subject to segment fees. Sometimes you can only see if though if you are looking at the complex tax breakdown. Not sure about the first one.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-07-09 09:59:21 and read 8984 times.

I knew they would. Seems like a market could potentially do good in.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: MIflyer12
Posted 2013-07-09 10:08:51 and read 8932 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 7):
"Carrier Usage Charge" of $20 and "Segment fee" of $7.80 when booking G4 LAX-HNL r/t...what's up with that? New ways of nickel and diming people in hidden charges?

That I have a problem with...

I desire a search engine that compares fares with all fees. (e.g., check boxes for what you want.)

DOT rules require the first screen to show all-in pricing and Allegiant appears to comply with that: $95.99 each way with a $4 debit card discount. The carrier usage charge gets broken out in a detailed box but is not additive to the price shown on the first screen.

There's no Federal law or rules that demand airlines post fares to GDS. Southwest (and others) has long made a point of not doing that. Price search transparency is lost, rationalized as 'controlling distribution costs'.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-07-09 10:16:48 and read 8892 times.

Oh goody, another airline coming to Hawaii from LAX. They should just make a terminal for Hawaiian flights at LAX.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: nws2002
Posted 2013-07-09 10:22:20 and read 8846 times.

The only way to avoid the "carrier usage charge" is to book at the airport. The airport counters are also open open a few hours a day, a few days a week, around the time when Allegiant flights arrive and depart. So basically this is a surcharge that almost everyone must pay and realistically Allegniant expects almost everyone to pay because I doubt they staff their airport counters with enough agents for everyone to buy tickets there.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-07-09 10:25:14 and read 8838 times.

I am surprised they decided to start Hawaii from LAX. One of the secondary airports in Southern California I would have been less surprised about.

My guess is it shows the strength they have seen in bookings outbound from LAX even without advertising. LAX like AZA turned into a destination with a large percentage of travelers flying to the small cities.

It probably also indicates they feel they gained understanding about profitably serving HNL a couple of times per week against daily competition by operating LAS-HNL and BLI-HNL.

G4 still boasts to investors how few of their routes have competition. So I'm not sure this represents a major change in strategy, probably more of something that will stay rare.But we'll see.

This announcement means HNL starting Oct 30 will be (based on current website schedules):
Sun/Wed for LAS-HNL (Sun/Wed return)
Mon/Thus for LAX-HNL (Sun/Wed return also)
Mon/Thurs for BLI-HNL (and again Sun/Wed returns)

BLI-OGG will be Sun/Wed (with Mon/Thurs returns).

Schedules increase in mid-December to include seasonal BOI-HNL and GEG-HNL. Those schedules are not posted yet.

But since those start the end of the year, I wonder if we will also see something else announced to use the 757s on Fri and/or Sat? Or will they simply not operate this 757 on those days until Dec?

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-07-09 10:29:30 and read 8812 times.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 7):
"Carrier Usage Charge" of $20

It is not new, that fee was one of the first ones they ever put in place. The full name of the charge is "Electronic Carrier Usage Charge". It is the fee for booking anywhere but at the airport.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: F9animal
Posted 2013-07-09 10:45:25 and read 8737 times.

I worry that G4 might find some very strong reactions from carriers established on this route. I know the frequency is low, so maybe the established carriers won't react to it.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: kcrwflyer
Posted 2013-07-09 11:16:07 and read 8584 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):

To me that is very very interesting. To me this marks a major change in strategy for G4 toward the NK model. I can't really think of any other major market they have ever entered from primary airports on both sides.

I don't think its a model change. It's only 2x weekly service and it might be the type of thing that just makes sense from an aircraft utilization perspective.

Quoting F9animal (Reply 16):
I worry that G4 might find some very strong reactions from carriers established on this route. I know the frequency is low, so maybe the established carriers won't react to it.

All they can really do is match their fares or undercut them, but the markets large enough that G4 could probably survive from the spill traffic.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-09 11:21:06 and read 8565 times.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 11):
There's no Federal law or rules that demand airlines post fares to GDS.

Agreed. But I'll always compare. And for airlines such as G4 which throw in $20 fees for not booking at the airport... Or G4's $50 per bag policy...

http://www.allegiantair.com/aaRes/aaRes_popup_BaggagePolicy.htm

I'm not going to a half dozen airline web sites to compare fares. I'll always go to two or three sites though... But I see, for now, G4's fares are significantly cheaper than other fares. So even with all the fees, they will be attractive. However, what fraction of tickets will be sold for the teaser fare?

Quoting F9animal (Reply 16):

I worry that G4 might find some very strong reactions from carriers established on this route. I know the frequency is low, so maybe the established carriers won't react to it.

Alaska
Hawaiian
United
Delta...

I think they have other things to worry about than 2x week on G4.

Note: Is AA flying LAX to HNL now? I see prices on Orbitz, but is it their metal?

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: travelin man
Posted 2013-07-09 11:29:44 and read 8534 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
Note: Is AA flying LAX to HNL now? I see prices on Orbitz, but is it their metal?

Lightsaber
AA has flown LAX-HNL for as long as I can remember. Currently 4x per day -- 1x 763 and 3x 757

Alaska is not flying LAX-HNL though.


[Edited 2013-07-09 11:30:48]

[Edited 2013-07-09 11:31:23]

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-09 11:45:16 and read 8453 times.

Quoting travelin man (Reply 19):
AA has flown LAX-HNL for as long as I can remember.

Are they still? I knew a pilot who was informed his favorite run was being cut. But I never followed up to confirm that discussion...

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: travelin man
Posted 2013-07-09 11:52:40 and read 8425 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):

Are they still? I knew a pilot who was informed his favorite run was being cut. But I never followed up to confirm that discussion...

According to aa.com they are still flying it.

And I really doubt it would be on the chopping block any time in the near future. The cheapest r/t price I am seeing on AA.com over the next month is $722, with most days in the $850-$1000+ range.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: doug_Or
Posted 2013-07-09 12:21:59 and read 8314 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
Are they still? I knew a pilot who was informed his favorite run was being cut. But I never followed up to confirm that discussion..

Perhaps it was no longer being operated by equipment he was qualified on, so he was no longer able to bid it?

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: dlramp4life
Posted 2013-07-09 12:35:26 and read 8265 times.

So it seems since the move over to T3 they are growing their operations. So is LAX going to be a new "focus city" for G4? They are entering a huge market after they leave a market which I thought was doing good even if it was seasonal route (AZA).

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: JayBird
Posted 2013-07-09 14:09:30 and read 7950 times.

Quoting travelin man (Reply 21):

Prices until the 3rd week or so of August mainland-Hawaii are high - it is peak summer season (mid-June until the 3rd week of August). Fares have surcharges on them depending on the day of the week you travel as well. Come fall prices should drop quite a bit.

For 2-days a week, I would suspect that the current carriers spot-reduce prices - they'll drop fares on those 2 days, for flights that are around the same time. I don't think you'll see significant reductions every day of the week from anyone. That would be like using an entire can of bug spray on one fly.  

Then again .. logic doesn't always figure into air travel, does it ..

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-07-09 14:21:31 and read 8147 times.

Quoting F9animal (Reply 16):
I worry that G4 might find some very strong reactions from carriers established on this route. I know the frequency is low, so maybe the established carriers won't react to it.

I doubt anyone will care, even if G4 was daily.

G4 is not really in the market to sell only seats, they want to sell packages. Same as what ATA was doing for well over a decade flying folks that were primarily on PHH vacation holidays to Hawaii eventhough it was technically a scheduled service flight and available for anyone to book.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
Are they still? I knew a pilot who was informed his favorite run was being cut. But I never followed up to confirm that discussion...

AA dropped SFO-HNL. A non corner-stone market.

But Hawaii from LAX goes strong for AA with service to HNL, OGG, LIH and KOA.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: srbmod
Posted 2013-07-09 14:41:28 and read 7950 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 14):
One of the secondary airports in Southern California I would have been less surprised about.

They do have once a week service to HNL out of SMX. They scrapped plans for HNL service out of MRY. G4 obviously thinks there is an opportunity to cherry pick on the route, but whether this is a route that will last remains to be seen. Delta, United and American does connections while Allegiant does not. LAX-HNL is the 6th busiest route out of LAX and G4's twice a week service will likely be a mere blip in those numbers.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-07-09 15:09:33 and read 7794 times.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 23):
So is LAX going to be a new "focus city" for G4?

Not new, it has been a destination city since it opened. They simply had to deal with the terminal issues

Quoting srbmod (Reply 26):
They do have once a week service to HNL out of SMX. They scrapped plans for HNL service out of MRY. G4 obviously thinks there is an opportunity to cherry pick on the route, but whether this is a route that will last remains to be seen. Delta, United and American does connections while Allegiant does not. LAX-HNL is the 6th busiest route out of LAX and G4's twice a week service will likely be a mere blip in those numbers.

I don't consider SMX or MRY to be Southern California. Even though they operate out of LAX already, I would have probably been less surprised to see one of the other Southern California airports get 2X per week.

I am curious to see how they do. One of the issues for FAT, SMX, etc has been offering too many seats during the non-family vacation periods. Southern California being a larger market also will have a larger pool of price-sensitive travelers not tied to school vacation times.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-07-09 15:27:41 and read 7657 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Since "Plan A" didn't seem to work out real well, I guess G4 has moved on to "Plan B"!
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
I do think this was part of plan A to begin with.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
I'm with LAXintl, this was always plan A.
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 14):
I am surprised they decided to start Hawaii from LAX. One of the secondary airports in Southern California I would have been less surprised about.

Well at least someone sort of agrees with me that LAX was NOT part of the original plan for Hawaii.  

I remember how it was being stated over and over again (by G4) that they would NOT fly from any major cities/airports when they started flying to Hawaii. I also don't recall ever seeing at any time that LAX was expected to see service. Of course I know they started Vegas service but that didn't seem too big a jump since that is one of their major hubs and that service may very well have been part of the original plan. (I remember talk of LAS-HNL pretty early on.)

Anyway, certainly not a big surprise; LAX-Hawaii is a HUGE market and can undoubtedly absorb more cx. I would not be too surprised to see OAK see service to the Islands but I do not expect to see anything out of SAN. (G4 seems to be barely holding on here by their fingernails. In fact, I don't see ANY flights out of SAN after August 13... Maybe they're giving up here finally?)

bb

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-07-09 16:18:55 and read 7245 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 28):
but I do not expect to see anything out of SAN. (G4 seems to be barely holding on here by their fingernails. In fact, I don't see ANY flights out of SAN after August 13... Maybe they're giving up here finally?)

Why do you suppose this is the case?

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: B747400ERF
Posted 2013-07-09 16:18:55 and read 7260 times.

Are these flights designed to take passengers connecting from the smaller cities Allegiant serves, or is it just for local customers? It seems to me the legacies wont care much about Allegiant since they serve mostly markets that the legacies have abandoned or priced out of a flight.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: 777fan
Posted 2013-07-09 17:40:21 and read 6738 times.

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 6):
Press Release: Allegiant Travel Company

Allegiant Announces New Nonstop To Hawaii Starting At $99*

Thank goodness it's nonstop. Sigh.

Quoting F9animal (Reply 16):
I worry that G4 might find some very strong reactions from carriers established on this route. I know the frequency is low, so maybe the established carriers won't react to it.

I also doubt any of the major players would want to throw money into the wind to match a $99 fare, too.


777fan

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: usa330300
Posted 2013-07-09 17:57:38 and read 6593 times.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 7):
"Carrier Usage Charge" of $20 and "Segment fee" of $7.80 when booking G4 LAX-HNL r/t...what's up with that? New ways of nickel and diming people in hidden charges?

Hardly nickel and diming if it is apparent that they have these fees at the time of booking, which they do.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: routeplanner
Posted 2013-07-09 18:02:42 and read 6549 times.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 31):
I also doubt any of the major players would want to throw money into the wind to match a $99 fare, too.

I concur. Two flights a week will not create an atmosphere of threat to any major player on these city pairs.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-07-09 18:45:46 and read 6291 times.

Given Allegiant's history of troubles with on time performance, you'd be better off betting on the Cubs to win the world series than making a connection at LAX onto their Hawaii service.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-09 20:45:20 and read 5558 times.

Quoting travelin man (Reply 21):
According to aa.com they are still flying it.

Thank you.

Quoting travelin man (Reply 21):
And I really doubt it would be on the chopping block any time in the near future.

Now it wouldn't be chopped. In 2009 that market wasn't looking as good.

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 22):
Perhaps it was no longer being operated by equipment he was qualified on, so he was no longer able to bid it?

Good thought...

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 25):
AA dropped SFO-HNL. A non corner-stone market.

That must have been it.   

Quoting 777fan (Reply 31):
I also doubt any of the major players would want to throw money into the wind to match a $99 fare, too.

   That won't pay for the fuel! It will get attention though...

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-07-09 22:24:18 and read 5069 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 28):
Of course I know they started Vegas service but that didn't seem too big a jump since that is one of their major hubs and that service may very well have been part of the original plan. (I remember talk of LAS-HNL pretty early on.)

LAS is the 757 pilot base.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 28):
In fact, I don't see ANY flights out of SAN after August 13... Maybe they're giving up here finally?)

Sounds like a seasonal ending of BLI-SAN. We'll have to wait until next year to be sure.

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 30):
Are these flights designed to take passengers connecting from the smaller cities Allegiant serves, or is it just for local customers?

Local passengers only. Any one else would need to arrange a separate connection which means coordinating with a 2X/week flight and any delays that might happen on either flight.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: MakeMinesLAX
Posted 2013-07-09 22:28:20 and read 5018 times.

Quoting travelin man (Reply 19):
Alaska is not flying LAX-HNL though.

They do, however, show AA and DL flights on their website. I'm not sure if this is technically considered a codeshare because the actual airline is listed. A few years back, though, I flew LAX-OGG as an AS flight (complete with different flight number) on AA metal.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-07-09 23:48:07 and read 4735 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
I can't really think of any other major market they have ever entered from primary airports on both sides.

LAS-HNL

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
I do think this was part of plan A to begin with. Remember the LGB slots G4 got? Hawaii flying just took too long to come around while they had to nurse the LGB slots with odd ball short flying.

I bet they would do better by offering flights from LGB, what a fantastic airport to go through than LAX, from a passenger perspective. I feel their low fare culture would be welcome from an area like LGB. There are certainly enough potential passengers in the area.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 14):
Schedules increase in mid-December to include seasonal BOI-HNL and GEG-HNL. Those schedules are not posted yet.

I find it odd, that BOI & GEG to HNL are winter routes, yet EUG-HNL is not. Us Oregonians liked Hawaii in the winter too.

Quoting travelin man (Reply 19):
Alaska is not flying LAX-HNL though



Nor do I expect that they will anytime in the near future. AS may look at LA area airports other than LAX, but as we all know SNA nor BUR could handle a 738 with a meaningful payload, and ONT is well, ONT.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 25):
AA dropped SFO-HNL. A non corner-stone market

I flew this route on AA last in 2007, it was being operated by a 763 at that time, nice flight, and totally full both ways.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 28):

Well at least someone sort of agrees with me that LAX was NOT part of the original plan for Hawaii

You are right as far as I know B-, I never heard of G4 ever planning LAX-HNL, I'd always heard LGB-HNL.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 28):
I remember how it was being stated over and over again (by G4) that they would NOT fly from any major cities/airports when they started flying to Hawaii.

And yet their first Hawaii flight was from LAS.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-07-10 10:01:03 and read 3690 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 38):
LAS-HNL
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 38):
And yet their first Hawaii flight was from LAS.

As I mentioned earlier, LAS was designated the 757 pilot base. That then generated the LAS-HNL-LAS route with its inside turns for HNL-FAT-HNL, etc.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: HNL-Jack
Posted 2013-07-11 00:03:32 and read 3345 times.

How many low fare package deal airlines have we seen attempt LAX-HNL and how many made it? Let me see, we had Hawaii Express, Air Hawaii, Pacific something, ATA, etc. LAS is probably the only market with long term potential for Allegiant due to the fact that they can sell packages in both directions due to the demand for LAS excursions in Hawaii. Personally, I doubt they will be in the LAX - HNL market for a year. And, as was pointed out earlier in this thread fares are high this month, but during most of the year it is not unusual to be able to get a fare of $300 to $400 RT without all the add on fees charged by Allegiant. I wish them good luck, but I don't see it working.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-07-11 03:05:09 and read 3220 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 39):

As I mentioned earlier, LAS was designated the 757 pilot base. That then generated the LAS-HNL-LAS route with its inside turns for HNL-FAT-HNL, etc

Nah, I get it, the route was meant to be for rotating craft and crew, but IIRC, HNL was supposed to be the hub for 757 crew and craft. Would this mean that G4 would drop the LAS flight then? I doubt it, as Hawaiians love Vegas, and they must make decent margins as they continue the route, although it must be hard to compete with 3x daily HA 330's.

I see G4 is breaking with tradition in starting a route from a hub to a hub (focus city, whatever) but I think its a good idea, there is always going to folks who are looking for a rael air bargain, and pay to low G4 fares to be able to say yjey have been to Hawaii. I still think, G4 should have gone out of LGB instead, making it the sole carrier in that market, and also providing a pretty hassle free airport to go via. Plus LGB is not really very far from LAX.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: n471wn
Posted 2013-07-11 10:41:23 and read 3061 times.

Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 40):
Pacific something

It was Pacific Eastern and it was 30 years ago!!

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-07-11 12:26:22 and read 3003 times.

Quoting HNL-Jack" class="quote" target="_blank">HNL-Jack (Reply 40):
How many low fare package deal airlines have we seen attempt LAX-HNL and how many made it? Let me see, we had Hawaii Express, Air Hawaii, Pacific something, ATA, etc. LAS is probably the only market with long term potential for Allegiant due to the fact that they can sell packages in both directions due to the demand for LAS excursions in Hawaii.

You must never have heard of LA based Pleasant Holidays, the mainlands largest package operator to Hawaii.

There is a massive package market to Hawaii. Per Hawaii CVB, nearly 30% of mainland visitors do so on vacation packages. That means there a market of millions potentialy.

With LA basin being the the single largest Hawaii feeder market, I don't think G4 will have much trouble selling a few hundred packages a week.

Also I would not call ATA a failure. For over 20-years they managed in the LA-Hawaii market, including it being one of their last scheduled routes till the end. ATA had other problems, and Hawaii was not one.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-07-11 12:49:01 and read 2957 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):
Would this mean that G4 would drop the LAS flight then? I doubt it, as Hawaiians love Vegas, and they must make decent margins as they continue the route, although it must be hard to compete with 3x daily HA 330's.

It is an interesting question...in addition to our 3 flights, Omni does it's trips as well on its 762's

Allegiant has a poor reputation here, and it didn't take long to develop. They repeatedly get bad press coverage here and their social media reputation is comical (see the comments after any Allegiant story is posted by Hawaii New Now or similar)

One such example (there are more):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151713046230479&set=a.446167765478.235705.192156350478&type=1&theater

Like was mentioned above, no one here is worried about them...but they should worry more about themselves IMHO

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: n471wn
Posted 2013-07-11 13:06:36 and read 2898 times.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 44):
Like was mentioned above, no one here is worried about them...but they should worry more about themselves IMHO

I do not think they have any reason to be worried---After all Aviation Week ranked them as the top airline in the world based on their criteria. I would not bet against them!!

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: GARUDAROD
Posted 2013-07-11 14:28:45 and read 2834 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 42):
It was Pacific Eastern and it was 30 years ago!!

Close, it was Pacific East Air, with DC-8-63 aircraft. I actually ended up flying on them because
The Hawaii Express startup was delayed a few weeks. Interesting flight, the flight attendants
were ex Braniff and Laker. Inflight entertainment was bingo.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-07-11 14:33:27 and read 2802 times.

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 46):
Inflight entertainment was bingo.

That's awesome on so many levels...   

(I've recently become addicted to Bingo thanks to some iPad app...)

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: n471wn
Posted 2013-07-11 14:48:38 and read 2778 times.

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 46):
Close, it was Pacific East Air, with DC-8-63 aircraft

Yes you are right and I flew them on my first trip to HNL and it was in 1984

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: HNL-Jack
Posted 2013-07-11 18:42:57 and read 2609 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
You must never have heard of LA based Pleasant Holidays, the mainlands largest package operator to Hawaii.

There is a massive package market to Hawaii. Per Hawaii CVB, nearly 30% of mainland visitors do so on vacation packages. That means there a market of millions potentialy.

With LA basin being the the single largest Hawaii feeder market, I don't think G4 will have much trouble selling a few hundred packages a week.

Also I would not call ATA a failure. For over 20-years they managed in the LA-Hawaii market, including it being one of their last scheduled routes till the end. ATA had other problems, and Hawaii was not one.

I didn't mean to imply that there wasn't a package market, just that airlines that have depended solely upon it have failed. Failed either because the margins were too thin or, as was generally the case a legacy carrier took the business away. Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays is a good example. They were the backbone of the ATA operation, until UA stepped into the picture and captured the bulk of their business, which interestingly UA had lost to ATA a few years before.

At least it has been my experience that calculating and maintaining the proper mix of package and independent travel is the only way to insure sufficient yield in the mainland/Hawaii market.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Entering LAX-HNL Market
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-07-23 09:07:44 and read 1931 times.

Story in local paper about G4's Hawaii plans.

G4 spokesperson helps explain why they opted for LAX.

Allegiant sees a niche in the marketplace. Delta, United, American and Hawaiian fly from LAX to Honolulu, but at higher fares than Allegiant is charging.

"It's not our intention to go in and go head to head with some of the other carriers," Wheeler said. "We think there are a huge number of people in L.A. that are simply priced out of having a Hawaiian vacation."

Allegiant can undercut the others in part because it aggressively seeks revenue in other ways, such as offering vacation packages.


Full story:
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_2...r-plans-low-cost-flights-from-lax?

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