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Topic: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: LN-MOW
Posted 2013-07-18 14:17:48 and read 29395 times.

JAL7 made a u-turn over Canada and is returning to BOS. Anyone know the reason? (And please - no stupid crew-names or Boeing-bashing please...)

http://www.flightradar24.com/JAL7

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-07-18 14:20:40 and read 29395 times.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPe-3Z1CMAAm8Ii.png:large

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-07-18 14:21:50 and read 29386 times.

It can not be too serious, otherwise it would have been the next big airport and not all the way back to Boston.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-07-18 14:22:41 and read 29313 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 2):
It can not be too serious

Indeed. They must have forgotten the toilet paper.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-07-18 14:28:55 and read 29115 times.

Icelandair ICE 634 BOS-KEF seemed to have turned around too.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-07-18 14:31:20 and read 29057 times.

JAL website flight status says aircraft is returning due to maintenance.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPfIJgOCEAETtMK.jpg:large

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-07-18 14:40:12 and read 28815 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Indeed. They must have forgotten the toilet paper.

I'd turn back for that too, especially if you-know-what hits the fan again.

-Dave

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: CO953
Posted 2013-07-18 14:42:34 and read 28765 times.

Just made a big turn - now heading north. Dumping fuel?

Now heading east out to sea.

I'm a flightradar24 noob, too . Can anyone explain? Plane just seemed to make a 270-degree right turn?

[Edited 2013-07-18 14:44:01]

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: LN-MOW
Posted 2013-07-18 14:45:00 and read 28619 times.

Circling at 13.000 ft over the ocean .. probably dumping fuel. Obviously nothing critically wrong.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-07-18 14:45:22 and read 28627 times.

It must be dumping fuel right now.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: CO953
Posted 2013-07-18 14:50:19 and read 28415 times.

Great way for the folks at JAL in Japan to start their day. Some fuses likely burning short.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2013-07-18 14:57:41 and read 28163 times.

Quoting CO953 (Reply 10):
Great way for the folks at JAL in Japan to start their day.

They're capable to start their day like any other, even with these things happening. JAL people are very dedicated and professional at all times and will deal with it  

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: CO953
Posted 2013-07-18 14:57:58 and read 28158 times.

So it takes three loops to dump that much fuel.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-07-18 15:06:47 and read 27776 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
I'd turn back for that too, especially if you-know-what hits the fan again.

I admit to not thinking a thread about every diversion is necessary but this line made the time reading the thread absolutely worth it.  

tortugamon

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: CO953
Posted 2013-07-18 15:15:22 and read 27523 times.

Well now it's the headline on www.boston.com

Let the media frenzy commence - 787's fault or not. Timing couldn't be worse.

Today's thunderstorm has finally passed so I'm heading back out to work.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-18 15:21:24 and read 27283 times.

ABC affiliate just showed it landing at BOS. They said something about a maintenance light being on.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: BigJKU
Posted 2013-07-18 15:24:23 and read 27150 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 19):
ABC affiliate just showed it landing at BOS. They said something about a maintenance light being on.

Supposedly a fuel pump problem was indicated. They let the thing fly over downtown Boston and taxi itself back to the gate. They clearly are not too worried about it.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: JonssonF
Posted 2013-07-18 15:25:54 and read 27146 times.

Only 50 or so flying and several diversions per week. High risk of being delayed if you book a 787 flight. Must be expensive to operate at the moment, diversions cost a lot. Fuel being dumped, booking passengers on other flights, hotel etc.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2013-07-18 15:34:01 and read 26884 times.

Quoting JonssonF (Reply 21):
High risk of being delayed if you book a 787 flight.

I would think that business people with important meetings, appointments to attend etc will be increasingly wary about booking a B787 flight until these issues are sorted out.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: flood
Posted 2013-07-18 15:38:32 and read 26735 times.

Ostrower via twitter: "Precautionary landing for 787 JAL7 at BOS after a maintenance indicator related to a fuel pump appeared early in the flt, the airline says."
http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/357991288680890368

Apparently the pilot also said they would be making an overweight landing.

Quoting JonssonF (Reply 21):
Only 50 or so flying and several diversions per week.

 

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-07-18 15:39:08 and read 26721 times.

Sky News also reporting :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/photo-19_zpsa0248acd.png

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: ordpark
Posted 2013-07-18 15:41:56 and read 27102 times.

An abundance of caution is being used by all 787 operators, I believe...while not downplaying any of the issues with the aircraft, I feel confident that over time, the 787 will prove itself to be a very reliable aircraft...As has been mentioned, the media picks up on everything the 787 does....or at least the bad stuff....But as we've seen over the last week or so, the media is after the Big headline...And as todays incident shows, this was picked up right away and will be splashed all over the papers tomorrow...

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: StuckInCA
Posted 2013-07-18 15:43:08 and read 27034 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Sky News also reporting

Wow. Why? I am seriously confused as to why this would be news there.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2013-07-18 15:43:09 and read 27360 times.

So JAL will take a three hour delay, find nothing wrong with said pump and chalk it up to yet another faulty computer error message.

Flight leaves and passengers are grumpy yet happy to get to NRT.

UA is having a hell of a time clearing these error codes that love to pop up. Does anyone know if Boeing outsourced the software engineering in addition to the rest of the major components on this a/c?

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-07-18 15:47:01 and read 27238 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 27):
Does anyone know if Boeing outsourced the software engineering in addition to the rest of the major components on this a/c?

I'm starting to think they outsourced the outsourcing.

-Dave

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-07-18 15:48:35 and read 28814 times.

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 26):
Wow. Why? I am seriously confused as to why this would be news there.

Since the issues began they latched onto anything to do with the B787. They did it when the A380 had issues also. Now since the fire at LHR on the ET B787 they are waiting to report even a burst tyre! of course some of the issues are very much news and in the public interest to report but we will get every issue now reported too.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: flyhigh@tom
Posted 2013-07-18 15:51:55 and read 28798 times.

Its not a 787 it is more like a 7 (180) 7...doing a u turn quite often these days   

Well still remember the days when the A380 was called the A180? well the title has just passed on i guess...so no hard feelings

but seriously..what are the chances that your flt is delayed if you book a trip on a 787 these days...

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2013-07-18 15:58:34 and read 29547 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 27):
So JAL will take a three hour delay, find nothing wrong with said pump and chalk it up to yet another faulty computer error message.

Flight leaves and passengers are grumpy yet happy to get to NRT.

No way, crew will be out of duty time with this grounding. Flight will have to be cancelled / long delay

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2013-07-18 16:14:32 and read 28982 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 28):
I'm starting to think they outsourced the outsourcing.

-Dave

LMAO, good point.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 31):
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 27):
So JAL will take a three hour delay, find nothing wrong with said pump and chalk it up to yet another faulty computer error message.

Flight leaves and passengers are grumpy yet happy to get to NRT.

No way, crew will be out of duty time with this grounding. Flight will have to be cancelled / long delay

      I forgot about the fact this is a 12+ hour flight. Bummer for all concerned to be sure.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: CO953
Posted 2013-07-18 16:21:39 and read 28611 times.

I just did a quick scan of the following news sources:

www.abcnews.com
www.cbsnews.com
www.cnn.com
www.drudgereport.com
www.foxnews.com
www.nbcnews.com
www.yahoo.com

The 787 finally caught a break - Detroit, Michigan just declared bankruptcy.

And, in Boston, photos were just released of the Boston Bomber bloodied in the boat with a red laser pointer on his forehead.

The above newsites are focused on those two things among others.

This 787 U-turn story will never make it out of Boston.

Lucky break for Boeing!

As Steve Martin once said, "Ti-MING!"

[Edited 2013-07-18 16:22:36]

[Edited 2013-07-18 16:23:07]

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: A380900
Posted 2013-07-18 16:43:55 and read 27755 times.

Quoting upperdeck (Reply 33):
Feel free to set up a thread that comments on every successful flight made by a 787.

Yes. If you're interested in aviation and anything happens to the 787 these days you want to discuss it... This idea that a thread like this one should not exist is really strange: if you feel this way, just do not read it! And spare us the "you guys are really morons talking about this".

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: TheRedBaron
Posted 2013-07-18 17:10:55 and read 27025 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 28):
I'm starting to think they outsourced the outsourcing.

That cracked me up....

In fairness to Boeing they can log this flight as a RE RE certification flight..just in case...

TRB

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-07-18 17:53:46 and read 25882 times.

Quoting CO953 (Reply 32):
The 787 finally caught a break - Detroit, Michigan just declared bankruptcy.

Thank God for small favors...

Quoting CO953 (Reply 32):
And, in Boston, photos were just released of the Boston Bomber bloodied in the boat with a red laser pointer on his forehead.

Perhaps they should have released them to Rolling Stone sooner.

-Dave

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: YULWinterSkies
Posted 2013-07-18 18:03:39 and read 25643 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 4):
Icelandair ICE 634 BOS-KEF seemed to have turned around too.

Well, the laws statistics sometimes cause situations like these.
And by the way, this shows that the B757 also can experience issues, issues are not just a 787 thing anymore, oh really, wow! Where is this world heading to?

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: bavair
Posted 2013-07-18 18:44:31 and read 24836 times.

Quoting CO953 (Reply 29):
This 787 U-turn story will never make it out of Boston.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.. It already popped up in the newsticket of a german newspaper (sueddeutsche.de) and I woulnd't be surprised if the story continues to spread throughout the day.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: Coal
Posted 2013-07-18 19:12:24 and read 24319 times.

Quoting CO953 (Reply 29):
I just did a quick scan of the following news sources:

Well it's on the front page of the FT (online edition) this morning Asia, so...

Cheers
Coal

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: CO953
Posted 2013-07-18 19:17:19 and read 24286 times.

Quoting bavair (Reply 34):
I wouldn't be too sure about that.. It already popped up in the newsticket of a german newspaper (sueddeutsche.de) and I woulnd't be surprised if the story continues to spread throughout the day.

Internationally only. The US media has become schizophrenically monomaniacal with stories du jour. Boston Bomber with red dot on forehead, Detroit bankruptcy, and US attorney general defying jury verdict and illegally directing the state of Florida not to give George Zimmerman his gun back despite acquittal and failure to charge him with a federal crime----- and today's 787 incident has no chance of gaining traction in the USA because it didn't crash. None. On a slow news day, conversely, it would be the lead. We've got unrest all over America due to mob mentality and disrespect for the rule of law, people storming freeways on both coasts and surrounding cars and punching trapped occupants while chanting for the arrest of a man found not guilty many states away, and mobs rioting in quite a few towns and assaulting bystanders, abetted by the corrupt news media and rent-seeking rabble rousers who are granted extended television time. 787 will get no notice the next while or so until the Zimmerman mess cools down.

These days, more and more Americans in search of news reporting are looking to foreign press, as our domestics have gone Soviet-era Pravda.

Boeing caught a PR break today.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: CO953
Posted 2013-07-18 19:19:25 and read 24215 times.

Quoting Coal (Reply 35):
Well it's on the front page of the FT (online edition) this morning Asia, so...

Cheers
Coal

As Boeing has many foreign buyers, the foreign media will likely be calling the shots then. US media is too self-absorbed with the chosen narrative of celebrity, anti-hero and racial grudge to pay one jot of attention to the 787 right now.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: flood
Posted 2013-07-18 19:19:44 and read 24248 times.

Quoting CO953 (Reply 36):
Internationally only.

abc: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/j...eamliner-returning-boston-19706902
cbs: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500395_1...eamliner-safely-returns-to-boston/
cnn: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/18/tr...flight-u-turn/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
fox: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07...light-for-tokyo-returns-to-boston/
nbc: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52516214/n...afely-returns-boston/#.UeidCG3YB8E

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: CO953
Posted 2013-07-18 19:27:21 and read 24167 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 38):

DANG! Then I am wrong as hell, aren't I !!

Apparently the 787 is now flagged by the major news services as an easy bit of news every time it comes across the wire - an easy target. I was actually rooting for Boeing that they would get some breathing room here.
Probably not so abroad.

I still think that the average American is not paying one bit of attention, despite the stories. Our country has become a dumb, slumbering ox, as we were before WWII.

Carry on - I was taking a break from some heavy night-time automotive suspension work - time to get back at it before my back seizes up.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-07-18 19:27:52 and read 24258 times.

Quoting JonssonF (Reply 17):
Only 50 or so flying and several diversions per week. High risk of being delayed if you book a 787 flight. Must be expensive to operate at the moment, diversions cost a lot. Fuel being dumped, booking passengers on other flights, hotel etc.


Since the beginning of July, ANA has flown 1544 flights with 1 cancellation and 3 delays of over 2 hours (1 which was a cascading event because the inbound flight was delayed). That's 99.74% of the time -- just the facts Jack!!

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: B747400ERF
Posted 2013-07-18 19:33:07 and read 23907 times.

Quoting CO953 (Reply 29):
This 787 U-turn story will never make it out of Boston.

Lucky break for Boeing!

You are only talking about the entertainment media, the news media will pick this up, especially business news, since it pertains to the company Boeing.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-07-18 19:51:49 and read 23612 times.

They forgot to pickup builders special smoke detectors from Home Depot and alkaline batteries to go with.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: AF185
Posted 2013-07-18 20:23:54 and read 23186 times.

From Bloomberg:

Quote:
A Boeing Co. (BA) 787 Dreamliner flown by Japan Airline Co. aborted a trip to Tokyo yesterday and returned to Boston because a message light indicated a possible fuel-pump issue, the airline said.

Flight 7 landed as a “precautionary” measure at Logan International Airport where Japan Airlines’ mechanics are examining it for any possible damage, Carol Anderson, a spokeswoman for the carrier, said in a telephone interview. She added that 184 passengers and 12 crew members were on board.

The pilots didn’t declare an emergency and the plane landed safely after dumping fuel, Lynn Lunsford, a spokesman for the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, said in an e-mail.

Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...87-to-tokyo-returns-to-boston.html

On another note, 184 Pax out of 186 seats is a great load factor...

[Edited 2013-07-18 20:26:52]

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-07-18 21:18:43 and read 22220 times.

Quoting AF185 (Reply 43):

Ha! There's always that one guy who points this out!

Today, it's you  

This flight, as I understand it, was always predicted to do well in terms of pax numbers. What's the reality now that it's a year in?

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: jns13
Posted 2013-07-18 22:09:36 and read 21467 times.

Quote:
I'm starting to think they outsourced the outsourcing.

I know someone already mentioned it but this is strangely hilarious. I'm wondering how long before JAL and UA start treating these warning lights like the ones in my 1998 Volvo...check engine light has been on since August and there are no issues to report...   

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: ASA
Posted 2013-07-18 23:46:32 and read 19838 times.

Quoting jns13 (Reply 45):
I know someone already mentioned it but this is strangely hilarious. I'm wondering how long before JAL and UA start treating these warning lights like the ones in my 1998 Volvo...check engine light has been on since August and there are no issues to report...   

the way things are going - even smokes coming out of 787s will (have to) be ignored   

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: a380heavy
Posted 2013-07-19 00:48:27 and read 18935 times.

Oh boy the poor old 787 Dreamlighter sure is having turbulent times in it's early airline service - let's hope that 787 airflames become as reliable as all the other Boeing aircraft!!!         

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: solnabo
Posted 2013-07-19 01:34:05 and read 18345 times.

Watched CNN WBT: Boeing might ground the entire 787 fleet to fix that need to be fixed (batt etc)

Hope this is just a rumor 

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: flyhigh@tom
Posted 2013-07-19 02:03:35 and read 17811 times.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 48):
fix that need to be fixed (batt etc)

This is cracking me up LMAO         

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 40):
Since the beginning of July, ANA has flown 1544 flights with 1 cancellation and 3 delays of over 2 hours (1 which was a cascading event because the inbound flight was delayed). That's 99.74% of the time -- just the facts Jack!!

bravo bravo ANA   

Where can we have such stats for United, JAL, AI, ET etc.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: kl911
Posted 2013-07-19 02:08:53 and read 17691 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 18):
I would think that business people with important meetings, appointments to attend etc will be increasingly wary about booking a B787 flight until these issues are sorted out.

They are. My business travel colleagues confirm that they get specific requests from executives not to book 787 flights.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: curlyheadboy
Posted 2013-07-19 02:32:11 and read 17357 times.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 50):

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 18):
I would think that business people with important meetings, appointments to attend etc will be increasingly wary about booking a B787 flight until these issues are sorted out.

They are. My business travel colleagues confirm that they get specific requests from executives not to book 787 flights.

At my company we didn't receive any instructions to avoid 787 flights, the most of my colleagues don't even know what a 787 is, and even myself, despite my interest in aviation, am usually too busy to even notice what aircraft type i'm going to fly when I book a travel, I usually find out at the gate. Also, our travel agent is very attentive on possible business travel disruption and sends a daily email with a list of all criticalities worldwide. The B787 didn't show up so far.
Cheers.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: oldeuropean
Posted 2013-07-19 02:42:40 and read 17240 times.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 50):
They are. My business travel colleagues confirm that they get specific requests from executives not to book 787 flights.

Same here in Germany. You can hear it from many travel agencies.

One client requested not to fly with the, what he called "Torchliner".

[Edited 2013-07-19 02:45:51]

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-07-19 02:43:30 and read 17131 times.

As all expected the Japanese news is in a huge tizzy, calling it "another huge setback in the dreamliner program"   

I'm about to take myself to whoever is reporting this, and slap them in their face! This sensationalism is outrageous!!!

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: flood
Posted 2013-07-19 03:03:00 and read 16869 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 40):
Since the beginning of July, ANA has flown 1544 flights with 1 cancellation and 3 delays of over 2 hours (1 which was a cascading event
Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 49):
Where can we have such stats for United, JAL, AI, ET etc.

I believe UA had 2 cancellations and 3 delays over two hours just last week with only 98 flights.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 53):
I'm about to take myself to whoever is reporting this, and slap them in their face! This sensationalism is outrageous!!!

You're being a little dramatic there yourself  

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-07-19 05:49:03 and read 14400 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 18):
I would think that business people with important meetings, appointments to attend etc will be increasingly wary about booking a B787 flight until these issues are sorted out.

No, it actually makes them more human, risking their life to attend a meeting, may even help close otherwise difficult deals.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-07-19 06:13:10 and read 13979 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 24):
I'm starting to think they outsourced the outsourcing.

  

I'll join the crowd noting you gave us a chuckle.

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 52):
One client requested not to fly with the, what he called "Torchliner".

   Clever name, if nothing else...

Quoting flood (Reply 54):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 40):
Since the beginning of July, ANA has flown 1544 flights with 1 cancellation and 3 delays of over 2 hours (1 which was a cascading event
Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 49):
Where can we have such stats for United, JAL, AI, ET etc.

I believe UA had 2 cancellations and 3 delays over two hours just last week with only 98 flights.

The differences astound me. It cannot be the engine types, could it?

Quoting curlyheadboy (Reply 51):
and even myself, despite my interest in aviation, am usually too busy to even notice what aircraft type i'm going to fly when I book a travel, I usually find out at the gate.

That used to be me. That ended when for the 2nd time in a week I sat next to MD-80 engines... I stopped flying that type.


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-07-19 06:21:18 and read 13752 times.

Quoting CO953 (Reply 39):
Apparently the 787 is now flagged by the major news services as an easy bit of news every time it comes across the wire - an easy target.

These news feeds are all automated. Everyone picks up the same feed.

Quoting AF185 (Reply 43):
On another note, 184 Pax out of 186 seats is a great load factor...

This flight prints money. I still think AA made a huge mistake not starting it with a 772 way back in the day. It doesn't matter now that they have ATI with JL.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-07-19 07:18:02 and read 12562 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 24):
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 27):
Does anyone know if Boeing outsourced the software engineering in addition to the rest of the major components on this a/c?

I'm starting to think they outsourced the outsourcing.

Outsourcing was not the problem, Boeing's view of how to manage outsourced aspects is the problem. In traditional outsourcing model Boeing pays and owns everything. Only then Boeing has control on entire program. But somehow Boeing came up with this "Risk Partner" concept. My guess this is Alan Mulally's pipe dream. By now he knows how wrong he was, with real outsourcing experience at Ford. Prior to Ford he had very little outsourcing experience. Sad part, no one at Boeing addressed this issue. 787 program is the victim.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: iahmark
Posted 2013-07-19 07:30:10 and read 12288 times.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 48):
Watched CNN WBT

Really worrisome especially in the times we live in – we’re all connected, perhaps too connected and the most little insignificant detail gets magnified and repeated all over the world.
I feel bad for Boeing, this is not good news especially for a project like this that covers 2 more subtypes (787-9 and 10); maybe they will address some of these issues and rely less on electronics in trouble areas; probably will have to take a page from todays’ Airbus book and be more conservative in some approaches at least until they work out the bugs

Mc

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: motif1
Posted 2013-07-19 07:34:44 and read 12252 times.

According to the AP
" the aircraft burned off fuel before landing, Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Arlene Salac said."

Did they dump or burned off fuel?

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: curlyheadboy
Posted 2013-07-19 07:48:35 and read 11940 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 56):
That used to be me. That ended when for the 2nd time in a week I sat next to MD-80 engines... I stopped flying that type.


Lightsabe

You were sitting next to what? Speak up, can't hear you!      

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-07-19 07:50:09 and read 11859 times.

Quoting JonssonF (Reply 17):

Only 50 or so flying and several diversions per week. High risk of being delayed if you book a 787 flight. Must be expensive to operate at the moment, diversions cost a lot. Fuel being dumped, booking passengers on other flights, hotel etc.

I have been preoccupied with work this week and was wondering what the other diversions were so far this week?

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-07-19 08:07:36 and read 11582 times.

Quoting motif1 (Reply 60):
Did they dump or burned off fuel?

Probably fuel pump issue didn't allow them to dump. Is it similar to Thomson 787 return to MAN a week ago? Who is the lucky supplier of fuel pump?

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: 7673mech
Posted 2013-07-19 08:44:39 and read 10801 times.

Quoting JonssonF (Reply 17):
Only 50 or so flying and several diversions per week. High risk of being delayed if you book a 787 flight. Must be expensive to operate at the moment, diversions cost a lot. Fuel being dumped, booking passengers on other flights, hotel etc.

So can you list the "several" diversions a week? Exaggerating a little?

Quoting A380900 (Reply 30):

Yes. If you're interested in aviation and anything happens to the 787 these days you want to discuss it... This idea that a thread like this one should not exist is really strange: if you feel this way, just do not read it! And spare us the "you guys are really morons talking about this".

It is fine that people want to discuss it - the problem is that most people who discuss it here have no knowledge or basis to discuss it with. They decry the media for their inaccurate reporting yet don't bring facts to the table themselves. Look at the question about the software - no one has answered it. Look at the 6 threads on the Ethiopian airplane - anytime anyone asks a technical question - no one answers.
This sight unfortunately as it has grown - has pushed away insiders with logical answers and pretty much everyone just speculates.

As far as the software goes, it is a combination. Both Boeing and the suppliers of the components have written code for the 787.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: ASA
Posted 2013-07-19 09:35:12 and read 9966 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 57):
This flight prints money. I still think AA made a huge mistake not starting it with a 772 way back in the day. It doesn't matter now that they have ATI with JL.

That's just awesome! A belated congrats to JAL, BOS, NRT ... can't wait to fly this route!

This performance (and errr ... the printing money thting   ) must have prompted Hainan to consider BOS again ...

Hainan Airlines Plans Beijing - Boston (by LAXintl Jul 18 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: 777Boeing777
Posted 2013-07-19 09:39:26 and read 9824 times.

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 64):
the problem is that most people who discuss it here have no knowledge or basis to discuss it with.

   I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who thought this way.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: 777Boeing777
Posted 2013-07-19 09:42:13 and read 9729 times.

Quoting JonssonF (Reply 17):
Only 50 or so flying

or so = 68 787's in delivered.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-07-19 10:12:33 and read 9223 times.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 49):
Where can we have such stats for United, JAL, AI, ET etc.



JAL and ANA are the only ones I've found:

http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/japan/e/local/common/share/boeing787info/
(Look towards the bottom for link to "Post-Modification Service Results")

http://www.jal.com/cms/en/corp_00229.html

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-07-19 10:36:14 and read 8723 times.

Any news on when the aircraft will re-enter service? Will it make today's flight?

tortugamon

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: glideslope
Posted 2013-07-19 12:24:38 and read 7203 times.

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 64):
It is fine that people want to discuss it - the problem is that most people who discuss it here have no knowledge or basis to discuss it with. They decry the media for their inaccurate reporting yet don't bring facts to the table themselves. Look at the question about the software - no one has answered it. Look at the 6 threads on the Ethiopian airplane - anytime anyone asks a technical question - no one answers.
This sight unfortunately as it has grown - has pushed away insiders with logical answers and pretty much everyone just speculates.

Yes, it's kind of like "Outsourcing."

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: mcdu
Posted 2013-07-19 13:24:48 and read 6388 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 40):
Since the beginning of July, ANA has flown 1544 flights with 1 cancellation and 3 delays of over 2 hours

This reminds me of a skit I saw on TV in Australia years ago during the Ansett cracks in airframes scandal. The fake journalist was asking the fake Ansett pilot spokesman about the cracks and the spokeman replied; "let's not talk about recent cracks found in the fuselage. Let's talk about the 30+ years we didn't have cracks in the fuselage".

Trying to divert attention away from real issues seems to be the play of the day. Real problems affecting real flights, real fires with real damage, but let's talk about the airplanes that didn't catch on fire or have to return to the field due to issues.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: wingnutmn
Posted 2013-07-19 13:29:41 and read 6384 times.

.....And in other news, an AA 777 had a false fire indication in an engine (RR) and turned around and landed back in Beijing 9 days ago, Iberia got yelled at by JFK ground yesterday, and I am flying home from RDU to MSP today!!

Enough with the drama on the 787. None of them have fallen out of the sky........yet.

Wingnut

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: flood
Posted 2013-07-19 14:48:17 and read 5604 times.

Am I just seeing things or is today's flight returning to BOS as well?
Looks to be JA834J

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JA834J

Appears to have been an odd glitch... both flightaware and FR24 showed a turn-back and tracked it heading back into the US... *shrug*

[Edited 2013-07-19 15:30:59]

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: gators312
Posted 2013-07-19 17:34:12 and read 5235 times.

Looks like it turned back towards BOS and then turned back to NRT?

http://www.flightradar24.com/JAL7

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: KPDX
Posted 2013-07-19 18:46:49 and read 5022 times.

I'm guessing it is nothing more than a tracking error..

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: zckls04
Posted 2013-07-19 22:33:31 and read 4795 times.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 50):
They are. My business travel colleagues confirm that they get specific requests from executives not to book 787 flights.

I have also heard from a contact at Egencia that they have been receiving similar requests, but that they are rare relative to the number of pax they are booking on those flights.

So I don't think the airlines flying the Dreamliner really have too much to worry about on that front.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-07-20 14:14:34 and read 4260 times.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 63):
Quoting motif1 (Reply 60):
Did they dump or burned off fuel?

Probably fuel pump issue didn't allow them to dump.

The Transport Canada daily occurrence report said they did dump fuel over Quebec.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: flood
Posted 2013-07-22 07:23:46 and read 3432 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 69):
Any news on when the aircraft will re-enter service? Will it make today's flight?

It seems the aircraft is still at BOS.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The Transport Canada daily occurrence report said they did dump fuel over Quebec.

I'm curious as to why they would still end up making an overweight landing, according to J. Croft with Av.week (perhaps listening to feed):
http://twitter.com/AvWeekJC/status/357982608891711488
According to this guy with ATC, the hold was due to their request for 15R
http://twitter.com/zbw_atc/status/357999007022317568

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: BigJKU
Posted 2013-07-22 07:42:39 and read 3327 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 78):
It seems the aircraft is still at BOS.

Isn't it just back in Boston on its normal route? Looks like it flew a couple of times since it diverted.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: jcarv
Posted 2013-07-22 07:45:30 and read 3327 times.

The aircraft has not left BOS since the 18th.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: BigJKU
Posted 2013-07-22 08:14:40 and read 3221 times.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 80):

Ahh, you are right. Confused flight number and registration.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: jcarv
Posted 2013-07-23 14:15:05 and read 2735 times.

Enroute now to NRT as JAL8007.

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-07-23 14:21:20 and read 2702 times.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 82):

Great news. Did we hear what needed to be fixed? Was there actually a failed part or just an false positive message?

tortugamon

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: blueshamu330s
Posted 2013-07-23 14:36:25 and read 2585 times.

Great to see it back in the air.

Curious to know what kept her on the deck for 5 days. By comparison, the Thomson Dreamliner which diverted the same day as the Ethiopian fire, was back in service the next day after, to quote Thomson, "A small number of components were replaced."

Rgds

Topic: RE: JAL7 (B788) Returns To BOS
Username: jcarv
Posted 2013-07-23 17:02:50 and read 2371 times.

Supposedly a fuel pump. Mechanics were up in the wing and/or wheel well fixing it. Some time lost waiting for part I believe.


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