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Topic: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: Indy
Posted 2013-07-20 20:49:54 and read 7975 times.

This is such a strange add. Delta is adding nonstop service from IND to MBJ (Montego Bay, Jamaica) and NAS (Nassau, Bahamas). The service will be Saturday only service starting December 21st. So far the routes are bookable on Delta.com until the end of March. Yesterday MBJ could be booked as early as Dec 21 but as of last check it available Jan 4. Not sure if it will be available again 2 weeks earlier. Can anyone figure out the reasoning behind these two additions? I know Legacy Travel Club has a major announcement due a week from Monday. Could this be related? In any case this will give Delta 3 international flights out of IND on Saturdays this winter. Service to MBJ will be on the A320 and NAS is a CRJ-900 I believe.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: LV
Posted 2013-07-20 21:00:22 and read 7908 times.

I'm going to bet you are right on about some travel package firm buying most of the seats on these flights and then DL just selling the rest as icing on the cake. Where is FIS in the new terminal? Or are MBJ and NAS preclear airports?

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: Indy
Posted 2013-07-20 21:05:44 and read 7886 times.

FIS is I think gates A4 and A5 which is right over with Delta's other gates.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-07-20 21:07:43 and read 7872 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 1):

NAS is preclear. I don't know about MBJ though.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: LV
Posted 2013-07-20 21:13:30 and read 7827 times.

I was thinking.... I am kind of surprised DL is getting this instead of F9... especially with the Republic MX right across the runway and plenty of E190's sitting around.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: toltommy
Posted 2013-07-20 22:42:35 and read 7559 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
I don't know about MBJ though.

No preclear at MBJ.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: Indy
Posted 2013-07-20 22:52:13 and read 7537 times.

It is no longer an issue at IND like it used to be. International arrivals is part of the A concourse. From what I was told by a member of the IAA a few years back is that if anyone arrives through an international arrivals gate, they will be able to get back to the concourse without going back through the main security area in the event they have a connection. That is a far cry from old IND where international arrivals was at some building across the field from the main terminal. No direct link and even worse... no jet bridges.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: FSDan
Posted 2013-07-20 23:03:10 and read 7498 times.

I certainly wasn't expecting DL to start these routes, but I don't think they seem too far fetched. DL has a very strong presence in IND (following from NW) and will probably be able to fill these flights quite easily while improving utilization for aircraft that would otherwise just be sitting around.

If the flights from IND do well, I wonder if they would try CMH-MBJ/NAS or bring back CVG-MBJ/NAS on winter weekends?

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: airjamaica
Posted 2013-07-20 23:46:47 and read 7404 times.

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
Delta is adding nonstop service from IND to MBJ (Montego Bay, Jamaica)

Great to see DL adding IND-MBJ. Hopefully it will do well and be a regular winter rotation. Quite a presence they have there in the '' Bay "........

Quoting toltommy (Reply 5):
No preclear at MBJ.

   They did mention in the past about creating preclear but haven't heard anything about those plans for quite a while now.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 7):
bring back CVG-MBJ

Hopefully this route will be back in the near future.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2013-07-21 05:22:56 and read 7084 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 4):
I was thinking.... I am kind of surprised DL is getting this instead of F9... especially with the Republic MX right across the runway and plenty of E190's sitting around.

DL apparantly was giving better rates to the travel company

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: Josh32121
Posted 2013-07-21 05:44:56 and read 7018 times.

Hasn't DL been running Saturday-only IND-CUN service already this spring/summer along with BNA, CMH, and a couple of other smaller cities where DL is strong in the respective local market? Rather than ask "why," ask, "why not?" This is a low-risk way to deploy a likely otherwise idle airplane--especially if many of the seats have already been sold by a tour operator as suggested.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-07-21 08:00:42 and read 6419 times.

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 10):
Hasn't DL been running Saturday-only IND-CUN service already this spring/summer along with BNA, CMH, and a couple of other smaller cities where DL is strong in the respective local market? Rather than ask "why," ask, "why not?" This is a low-risk way to deploy a likely otherwise idle airplane--especially if many of the seats have already been sold by a tour operator as suggested.

Yes, DL has run CUN service from IND since the PMNW focus city days.

I'm surprised it took them this long for an airline to add IND-NAS/MBJ - NAS with the popularity of the Atlantis resort, and especially MBJ with the popularity of the area in the Midwest (there's even an LAN-MBJ route, for crying out loud).

[Edited 2013-07-21 08:16:35]

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: UA735WL
Posted 2013-07-21 08:23:51 and read 6247 times.

I think DL will do well on these routes. TZ used to fly them with 722s (?) and IIRC they did fairly well. Does anyone know the type of a/c that DL will be using?

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-07-21 08:26:00 and read 6230 times.

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 12):
Does anyone know the type of a/c that DL will be using?

A320 to MBJ, and a CR9 to NAS

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: davescj
Posted 2013-07-21 09:02:49 and read 5988 times.

A Saturday only service is not a complete surprise. DL has done similar winter Saturday only services. I am thinking MKE - Cancun for example.

My guess - there was just enough traffic to make it worthwhile. I'm guessing some package deals were a pig part of the traffic, but clearly there is a market to be served.

Also, it could open up some seats for other "odd" connections to MBJ and NAS.

Dave

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: DeltaRules
Posted 2013-07-21 09:44:30 and read 5723 times.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 7):
If the flights from IND do well, I wonder if they would try CMH-MBJ/NAS or bring back CVG-MBJ/NAS on winter weekends?

It'll be interesting to see, especially since DL is running weekend flights to MCO during the summer now and adding seasonal TPA and RSW flights this winter to go along with MCO and CUN.

Skybus had applied for CMH-NAS but had never started it. Much like IND, DL is on the concourse at CMH with the FIS gate (C46, and, for the time being, is right next door to it thanks to the renovations and gate shift).

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-07-21 09:46:07 and read 5708 times.

"I'm surprised it took them this long for an airline to add IND-NAS/MBJ - NAS with the popularity of the Atlantis resort, and especially MBJ with the popularity of the area in the Midwest (there's even an LAN-MBJ route, for crying out loud)."

I second the notion. I'm surprised it took it this long to come back in some type of nonstop manner. I'm also surprised no one has done seasonal service to Cabo or Puerto Vallarta yet from Indianapolis.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: Indy
Posted 2013-07-21 10:25:06 and read 5511 times.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 16):
I second the notion. I'm surprised it took it this long to come back in some type of nonstop manner. I'm also surprised no one has done seasonal service to Cabo or Puerto Vallarta yet from Indianapolis.

MBJ and NAS could be the first step. I'm a bit curious as to why they are running Saturday only to MCO. With so little service left on that route I'd think DL should be able to operate that daily. MCO is a big destination and a big DL station.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2013-07-21 10:37:46 and read 5425 times.

Sounded strange at first, but as others have noted, DL has done a lot of Saturday only flights to CUN. The planes are parked anyway that day, and DL(/NW) has a decent sized presence in IND. I don't see it as a premier money making route, but it will probably at least provide a bit of extra revenue that they wouldn't have if the planes were parked.

Interesting move, I wonder how well they'll fare

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: Indy
Posted 2013-07-21 10:50:43 and read 5338 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
but it will probably at least provide a bit of extra revenue that they wouldn't have if the planes were parked

Not to mention it is good publicity for the airline. What I like is that it appears the plane flies out and then makes the journey back to IND. Great for airline geeks like us interested in adding another dot to our destination maps. I'm not going to burn my miles on a free ticket but if the money is available I'll give MBJ a try.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-07-21 12:04:59 and read 4954 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
Interesting move, I wonder how well they'll fare

DL will fill these flights easily.

The market for both routes is nothing to sneeze at when you look at it on a weekly basis

MBJ - 200 people each way per week
NAS - 120 people each way per week

I'm sure the majority do travel between the times that the flights are available.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: N312RM
Posted 2013-07-21 15:37:09 and read 4092 times.

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 12):
I think DL will do well on these routes. TZ used to fly them with 722s (?) and IIRC they did fairly well. Does anyone know the type of a/c that DL will be using?

In their heyday, TZ also operated seasonal IND-GCM service.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2013-07-21 17:05:43 and read 3755 times.

There also appeared to be some Caribbean service from PIT. Not sure if it was there before.. Punts Cana and Montego Bay, I believe....

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-07-21 18:08:45 and read 3508 times.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 7):

I certainly wasn't expecting DL to start these routes, but I don't think they seem too far fetched. DL has a very strong presence in IND (following from NW) and will probably be able to fill these flights quite easily while improving utilization for aircraft that would otherwise just be sitting around.

  

Saturdays have slack capacity.

Rather than this being about IND, I think it's a useful idea of the "package" DL could give to all markets similar to IND. DAY, DSM, OMA, possibly MCI, FAR...

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: airjamaica
Posted 2013-07-21 21:36:28 and read 2858 times.

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 12):
TZ used to fly them with 722s (?)

Yes TZ used to operate B727-200s from IND to MBJ back in the day. They also had many flights out of ORD as well.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: B727FA
Posted 2013-07-21 22:39:20 and read 2859 times.

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 12):
TZ used to fly them with 722s (?)

Pace (Vaction Express) and SM (Sunworld) used to do this, too...

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: questions
Posted 2013-07-21 22:46:13 and read 2852 times.

What does FCM look like on these flights? 25 bucks?

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-07-21 23:44:25 and read 2873 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 23):
Rather than this being about IND, I think it's a useful idea of the "package" DL could give to all markets similar to IND. DAY, DSM, OMA, possibly MCI, FAR...

DAY, OMA and FAR aren't airports of entry. DSM is, but good luck convincing airport officials to staff immigration for a weekly Cancun flight.

And regardless of whether a flight pre-clear, it still needs to be an airport of entry.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: catiii
Posted 2013-07-22 06:50:18 and read 2606 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 27):
And regardless of whether a flight pre-clear, it still needs to be an airport of entry.

So how does preclearance work for flights to airports like DCA and LGA? Those are considered airports of entry?

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-07-22 07:02:06 and read 2601 times.

Last year, DL added a significant number of "fun & sun" flights on weekends during the peak holiday & spring break travel season.

DL has loaded many of these flights again during the ~ 2 week Christmas holiday & New Years period.

The added benefit is to utilize otherwise idle aircraft during periods of lower capacity on business-heavy routes.

I don't have time to look for them all, but I can see flights such as:

RDU/IND/BNA/PIT - MCO
RDU-CUN

All operating around the Christmas holidays.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: phllax
Posted 2013-07-22 10:05:22 and read 2419 times.

While I know AirTran doesn't currently fly non-stop between these 2 markets, these also could be to beat Southwest into the market for when the post Air Tran integration is done.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: THEFLLFLYER
Posted 2013-07-22 15:15:23 and read 2232 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 29):

PIT-NAS and PIT-PUJ have also been loaded 1x weekly.

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: ATAIndy
Posted 2013-07-25 14:26:28 and read 1925 times.

Here is the official press release from the Indianapolis Airport Authority released today (July 25th). It doesn't really add much new information besides flight numbers and times.

http://www.indianapolisairport.com/a...ads/853/7.25.13%20DL%20service.pdf

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2013-07-25 18:25:41 and read 1777 times.

Looks like RDU got NAS service too..

starting Dec 21..

Saturday only service ExpressJet CR9 service...

Departs NAS 11:40 Arr RDU 14:10
Departs RDU 14:50 Arr NAS 16:10

Topic: RE: Delta Adding IND-MBJ & IND-NAS
Username: drerx7
Posted 2013-07-25 18:42:32 and read 1747 times.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 16):
Puerto Vallarta yet from Indianapolis.

Cartel violence and media hype has taken a toll on Puerto Vallarta, Ixtapa, and Manzanillo tourism. Cabo has seen a rise though.


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