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Topic: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: solarflyer22
Posted 2013-07-22 19:32:37 and read 29017 times.

About 1 month ago all of the major travel web sites on the internet removed all Iranian airports as bookable destinations putting Iran firmly in the category of Cuba. I actually reached out to several of the major web sites, including the PR Relations contact at KAYAK, and received no answer whatsoever. The web sites I counted include all the major ones which are mostly US based companies including.

www.Kayak.com - No error message. Just removed everything.
www.Orbitz.com - " Sorry, we cannot find a match."
www.Expedia.com - "We could not find any airports that match your search for 'tehran'."
www.AmericanExpress.com/travel

Though it hasn't been confirmed, this action is probably encouraged at least tacitly by David Cohen (Under Secretary) at the Treasury Sanctions Office (OFAC) probably using some sanctions rule.

US law does not actually restrict anyone wishing to visit Iran including the 1 million emigres in the US.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Pages/default.aspx

www.Travelocity.com - still allows booking IKA. As do some European sites. The major airlines flying into Iran at present are:

Emirates
Etihad
Turkish
Lufthansa
Qatar
Kuwait
Azerbijan

Good luck price checking! Bring back the travel agents.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-07-22 20:00:53 and read 28828 times.

Quoting solarflyer22 (Thread starter):
Good luck price checking! Bring back the travel agents.

It's interesting that kayak.com also doesn't recognize IKA, but hipmunk.com does, and will take you directly to the airline's website after you choose your itinerary.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: clickhappy
Posted 2013-07-22 20:07:57 and read 28788 times.

hipmunk? LOL. I love these Internet companies that create a name based on an available domain name.

Sorry, crystalbark.com, tofumonkey.com, and volcanicice.net are already spoken for.

I wonder how many people traveling to Iran search for fares on Kayak 

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: 747-600X
Posted 2013-07-22 20:10:32 and read 28738 times.

I don't mean to wax political, but does the West (er, US) think they're going to pave the way for good relations through this sort of action? Why don't we sell them our modern jetliners and provide them air service the same as anyone else, so as to build bridges?

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-07-22 20:17:12 and read 28666 times.

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 2):
hipmunk? LOL

Oh yeah, it's the best airfare comparison search engine out there, even Forbes thinks so. It's the only site I know of which will allow you to feed it flight numbers, instead of just taking what they want to show you, then take you someplace where you can buy the ticket.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: jetblueguy22
Posted 2013-07-22 20:32:39 and read 28544 times.

Quoting 747-600X (Reply 3):
I don't mean to wax political, but does the West (er, US) think they're going to pave the way for good relations through this sort of action? Why don't we sell them our modern jetliners and provide them air service the same as anyone else, so as to build bridges?

Because the US isn't getting what they want, an end to the nuclear programs. They want to squeeze Iran economically to get them to stop. Selling them new planes and providing air service only brings in money.

I do find it weird that Iran isn't listed anymore. Sure there isn't service between the US and Iran but I have to imagine people still visit Iran from the US. Perhaps new sanctions nobody has heard about? It's a shame things have come to this. I would love to visit Iran someday.
Pat

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-07-22 20:32:43 and read 28546 times.

Quoting solarflyer22 (Thread starter):
Good luck price checking! Bring back the travel agents.

The ITAsoftware.com site (now owned by Google), one of the best sites to check fares, still seems to be working normally. Tried a few random dates from the U.S. to Iran and it shows fares for all the usual carriers.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: aryonoco
Posted 2013-07-22 20:33:04 and read 28544 times.

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 2):
I wonder how many people traveling to Iran search for fares on Kayak 

I did. I used it regularly, in conjunction with ITA Matrix and a few others.  

Dammit.... what am I supposed to do now? Go and buddy up with an agent like it's the 19th century again?  

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2013-07-22 23:15:12 and read 28042 times.

Quoting 747-600X (Reply 3):
Why don't we sell them our modern jetliners and provide them air service the same as anyone else, so as to build bridges?

Unfortunately, these issues are never this easily solved. While it's nice to sit here at our personal computing devices and think to ourselves, "Gosh, one more round of Kumbaya should do the trick," the reality is that it never does.

Though this is interesting. I can still travel there if I want to; what difference does it make whether flights show up on Kayak!?!?!

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-07-22 23:26:07 and read 27980 times.

just tried iranair.de and got connected immediately. Flights are bookable. Iranair.com works as well, with booking portal.

Never understood why people use other portals than those of the airlines. Save the costs the portals add, At least people in this forum should know who flies from where to where. If not on the Iranair sites, book through LH, EK, TK whatever.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: usxguy
Posted 2013-07-22 23:44:17 and read 27855 times.

AMEX Travel just got hit with a $5 million fine for selling travel to Cuba... so I wonder if this has anything to do with it...

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: opethfan
Posted 2013-07-22 23:46:55 and read 27843 times.

I can attest to how good Hipmunk is (if off-topic) - it visualizes layovers and flight time, mentions the aircraft used on the first screen and the mobile app is good too.

Easier to use than ITA Matrix, and allows you to buy through the site, too. ITA is still more flexible though.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: ikramerica
Posted 2013-07-23 00:22:27 and read 27647 times.

Quoting opethfan (Reply 11):
I can attest to how good Hipmunk is (if off-topic) - it visualizes layovers and flight time, mentions the aircraft used on the first screen and the mobile app is good too.

Easier to use than ITA Matrix, and allows you to buy through the site, too. ITA is still more flexible though.

It's insanely good! Never heard of it before, but now will go nowhere else.

It will make me really lazy, as I won't have to do much research anymore on any facet of the flights.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: opethfan
Posted 2013-07-23 01:14:39 and read 27453 times.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 12):
It's insanely good! Never heard of it before, but now will go nowhere else.

It will make me really lazy, as I won't have to do much research anymore on any facet of the flights.

There are times when I'm really quickly checking a schedule or the price a route usually is, and I'll use Hipmunk because it's so simple.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-07-23 02:49:47 and read 27151 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
Never understood why people use other portals than those of the airlines.

Well because airlines like IR PK AI KU often offer cheaper consol fares via their select agents. When I bought my tickets from LHR-THR-SYZ I contacted IR direct and they referred me to their consolidator and I saved over GBP100.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: gabrielchew
Posted 2013-07-23 03:15:29 and read 27008 times.

I thik this has been the situation for a while. Some countries you just can find when using Expedia (my default). Try opodo.co.uk, they can normally find flights to anywhere. I booked my IB to Cuba through them, and seem to be able to find flights to IKA.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: L410Turbolet
Posted 2013-07-23 03:18:28 and read 26984 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
Never understood why people use other portals than those of the airlines.

Because they often save you money by putting together a better itinerary "across the alliance lines"... especially if your primary gateway is a sleepy, provincial airport like PRG and one does not care about FF miles that much (anymore).
Example: I need to fly to CMB, mid September. The best deal in terms of costs and overall travel time I have found so far is PRG-FRA-CMB-LHR-PRG via flugladen.de via http://flug.idealo.de, combination of OK and UL (and/or BA and/or LH).
Neither website of respective airlines' offers such itinerary. UL does not even have PRG on its list of airports and OK sends you via AUH on their codeshare flights with EY.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: usdcaguy
Posted 2013-07-23 03:32:12 and read 26912 times.

It seems idiotic to me that the United States would try to restrict the sale of travel to/from Iran through US agencies when it is possible to just get online and buy the ticket from another country. I guess someone needs to justify their salary somehow. What is sad is that the US is mostly just hurting the travelers themselves; I sincerely doubt that the air restriction will do anything at all that would affect Iranian government policy. This is yet another case where the US is taking away the right of its own citizens to perform certain transactions in the name of imperialistic policy. What an unfortunate waste of time.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-07-23 06:45:02 and read 25978 times.

Quoting solarflyer22 (Thread starter):
The major airlines flying into Iran at present are:

Emirates
Etihad
Turkish
Lufthansa
Qatar
Kuwait
Azerbijan

other majors flying there:

Saudia
Iraqi Airways
China Southern
Aeroflot
Alitalia

not sure if Azerbaijan is a major.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-07-23 06:57:09 and read 25742 times.

booking portals - we just had that issue here in the n news and rule of thumb is, that airline prices - i make that caution - for simple sector return flights are usually cheaper when bought on the carrier website. The poirtals do not get a commission and have to eARN THEIR MONEY BY TRICKING USERS INTO ADD-ONS:

@L410Turbolet - agree with such routing you may get a cheaper price. But LH, as an example, often offers connections fwith carriers from other alliances, QF for instance on bookings to Oz.

The time of interlining is not offer and rather here to stay.

On such carriers like IR I agree that bucket shops or ethnic stores often have the better bargains. But those are niche offers.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-07-23 06:57:25 and read 25744 times.

Considering the hordes of Canadians getting to their Cuban vacations by air, it seems US policy to ban that country from cyberspace has been somewhat underwhelming. I doubt Iranian travelers will be overly inconvenienced.

It's another toothless PR move.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-07-23 07:20:00 and read 25338 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 20):
Considering the hordes of Canadians getting to their Cuban vacations by air, it seems US policy to ban that country from cyberspace has been somewhat underwhelming

I think there is a big difference between the two though. Cuba has a thriving tourism industry with lovely 4-5 star beach resorts. Canadians/Europeans flock there so thats why it has not worked. Irans tourism industry is and always has been ( post 1975 ) specialist and not mass tourism like Cuba has become. You also dont have the same restrictions as a tourist in Cuba compared to Iran.

Say to most people the idea of going on vacation to Cuba and they are quite open to it. Say the same to going to Iran and they look at you with two heads.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: MIflyer12
Posted 2013-07-23 07:28:32 and read 25051 times.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 17):
It seems idiotic to me that the United States would try to restrict the sale of travel to/from Iran through US agencies when it is possible to just get online and buy the ticket from another country.

We have the OP's assertion that this is U.S. government-directed but he didn't provide any evidence. If the OP (and others) wants to build from that he first needs to prove it.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: Eagleboy
Posted 2013-07-23 07:29:47 and read 25051 times.

What's next?

US produced maps have a "Do not venture here" notation over a white section of the Mid East?

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-07-23 07:55:35 and read 22241 times.

I was watching a French TV show the other day that explained yield management (didn't learn much there) and also presented a novel way to find good deals, a French website where you paid 15€, entered the desired trip (usually multi stop ones) and people from all over the world, either travel agents or afficionados, would compete to find you the best price and win the money (less the website commission I gather). Unfortunately they couldn't mention the website name, do you know what it is ? I'm sure it could be helpful for people wanting to travel to forbidden places.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
Unfortunately, these issues are never this easily solved.

True, treating Iran like a normal country might not stop them from getting the bomb. One thing is for sure : the sanctions are not working.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: pvjin
Posted 2013-07-23 08:37:08 and read 19294 times.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 22):
We have the OP's assertion that this is U.S. government-directed but he didn't provide any evidence. If the OP (and others) wants to build from that he first needs to prove it.

Of course US government is responsible for this, the same thing has been happening with Cuba for ages simply because US government is still mad at Castro for nationalizing American property in Cuba at the time when he rose into power.

It's not like these American owned travel sites would have removed Iran and Cuba from their lists (and that way losing money) because they want to support totally ineffective sanctions against these two countries. No, they removed them because they were forced to do that by the US government.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-07-23 08:49:06 and read 18499 times.

^ some neither host Iraq and Afghanistan.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: pvjin
Posted 2013-07-23 08:54:58 and read 18324 times.

Yeah well I guess that's understandable because of the safety situation in those countries, I would assume those sites don't host places like Mogadishu either?

At least Ebookers seems to accept Kabul, Mogadishu and many other not so safe places but no destinations in Iran and Cuba.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: solarflyer22
Posted 2013-07-23 09:26:04 and read 16658 times.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 22):

Well as I stated up top, I did email both Kayak and Expedia on why the change was made and received no response after 2 + weeks. The US also updated all its Iran sanctions on 7/1 just before their election. I won't speculate on the political timing but considering the new sanctions may include anyone holding large amounts of the Iranian Rial and other vague clauses I think it's naive to think its not driven by the Treasury Department. There are nearly 1 million Iranian Americans in the US and tens of thousands go back each year. There are 1.4 million Cuban Americans also being affected by similar actions so its impacting 2.5 million Americans.

Which nation is next Egypt, Pakistan? Do I not have the right to travel in peace and without hindrance to the nations of my choice as an American citizen?

Welcome to Amerikuh!

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: lychemsa
Posted 2013-07-23 09:48:37 and read 15669 times.

Solarflyer22

Why do you blame David Cohen?

The answer is simple and I won't go into details.

The Iranian Government went further than you.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-07-23 09:51:06 and read 15585 times.

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 28):
Welcome to Amerikuh!

As noted in your OP, travelocity.com will still sell you tickets, and hipmunk.com will scan competing travel resources to give you itineraries you may book directly with those travel providers. If you choose to use outlets who don't offer what you want to buy, you only have yourself to blame. Anyone can stand in the middle of a Chevy dealership and demand a new Ford, but it ain't gonna happen until they go to a Ford dealership.

For whatever reason, some travel outlets have decided not to offer travel to some destinations. Others still do.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: pvjin
Posted 2013-07-23 09:54:14 and read 15430 times.

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 28):
Do I not have the right to travel in peace and without hindrance to the nations of my choice as an American citizen?

Yeah unfortunately in America you don't have that right, also let's remember that ordinary American citizen with no relatives in Cuba and without special permission from US government can't travel to Cuba and spend money there legally... Of course doing it illegally by sneaking through other countries works though, still it's quite sad how some people believe in USA being a country of freedom while at the same time its government prevents people from legally travelling where they want.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-07-23 10:57:29 and read 13804 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Quoting opethfan (Reply 11):

I just checked flights to Berlin. Both ITAsoftware and hipmunk don't know U2, so it seems...


David

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: avek00
Posted 2013-07-23 10:59:22 and read 13777 times.

The removal of Iran for booking is not surprising. Our economic sanctions with Iran preclude US businesses from participating in virtually any transactions with Iranian governmental and financial institutions, and it's now easier than ever for the US Government to flag instances of possible sanctions violations. International air transport to Iran (including the sale of air tickets) involves subsequent transactions that may involve one or more entities subject to the sanctions, and thus US travel companies are wise to restrict Iran from their booking engines.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-07-23 11:13:42 and read 13485 times.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 32):
Both ITAsoftware and hipmunk don't know U2, so it seems

That's a consequence of how U2 publishes its flights and fares. They don't show flights on WN either, but do list NK.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: antidote
Posted 2013-07-23 11:29:56 and read 13199 times.

A comment from a Canadian friend stays with me. He visited both Cuba and Iran, immensely enjoyed his experiences in both countries and said that if the US allowed its' citizens to travel to both countries, public sentiment for more open relationships would be light years ahead of government policy. Certainly agree with avec00, though, that it's prudent business to follow the government guidelines atm.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: wingman
Posted 2013-07-23 11:37:45 and read 13017 times.

I think the problem with Iran is that a lot of folks think they're building nuclear weapons, and they say things about exterminating Jews that don't go down so well in Washington. But alas, many people are still pro Holocaust and think that's cool.

As for Cuba, any idiot that can't figure out how to get there in one stop probably doesn't deserve to be on the internet.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: steman
Posted 2013-07-23 11:47:43 and read 12784 times.

Ehm,
isn´t the title a little misleading?
Iran removed from all major travel sites IN THE US.
My dear friends in the US, I love you very much, but pls remember that you are not the centre of the Universe (anymore)  
Iran is still pretty much available from the rest of the world as reported above by other contributors.
An Iran Air still flies to some destinations in Europe.
I find them very exotic, with that 70s flair of a bygone era  

Ciao
Stefano

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: turn720
Posted 2013-07-23 14:35:43 and read 10248 times.

Since this thread is now political-

As an American I disagree with the US policy towards Iran, Cuba and any other "evil" country for that matter. I strongly believe that the US needs to go back to the isolationist policy of the 1920's and 30's. As long as our own borders are protected then all bets are off.

The American travel industry as well as manufacturing companies like Boeing would benefit greatly by this hands off policy.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: TWA902fly
Posted 2013-07-23 14:42:52 and read 10122 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 34):
That's a consequence of how U2 publishes its flights and fares. They don't show flights on WN either, but do list NK.

I am guessing this might be a purposeful strategy. WN isn't published anywhere other than their own site. As far as I understand, this is because their brand recognition is very strong, and many people will simply go to southwest.com, book, and not even bother checking other airlines. Whereas if they had been able to compare on kayak, etc to other similarly-priced websites, they wouldn't sell as much. I think this is more to preserve the brand imagine of "we are THE low cost airline" than anything else. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

'902

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: ikramerica
Posted 2013-07-23 15:00:54 and read 9883 times.

Quoting antidote (Reply 35):
A comment from a Canadian friend stays with me. He visited both Cuba and Iran, immensely enjoyed his experiences in both countries and said that if the US allowed its' citizens to travel to both countries, public sentiment for more open relationships would be light years ahead of government policy. Certainly agree with avec00, though, that it's prudent business to follow the government guidelines atm.

Whose people?

Our government is not interested in public pressure from within our borders to have a "more open relationship" with these nations. They aren't looking for support to open up things. They want to change those nations from enemies into non-enemies by regime change.

While Bush might have called them "evil" the policy hasn't changed much since him, as "evil" or not, they are still enemies who actively advocate harm against the USA, and support those who would do us harm.

That we don't treat Saudi Arabia and other "allies" who are just as dangerous to us in the same way is a point of hypocrisy based on financial needs (Iran and Cuba and North Korea offer us nothing, Saudi Arabia, China, etc. are vital to our economy), but it doesn't mean that we have any desire to be friends with Iran and Cuba if only more of our people would just see how they treat tourists.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: pvjin
Posted 2013-07-23 15:21:27 and read 9540 times.

In any case the embargo against Cuba has quite well proven that this kind of policy simply does not work. North Korea, Iran, Cuba, all of them have had severe economic and other restrictions against them, yet it hasn't caused any of them to fall.

Things like these strike the ordinary people the most, not politicians. And unlike some fools in white house might believe it doesn't make the people of these countries to hate their government any more than they did before. Instead embargoes work as good excuses for leaders to blame the US for problems that are actually caused by their own actions and probably makes ordinary people dislike the US government for making their lives harder.

(though I agree with the embargo against North Korea as obviously North Korean government could care less about improving living conditions of its own people even if they had some more resources, unlike in Iran and Cuba which aren't that bad).

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: bhill
Posted 2013-07-23 15:21:47 and read 9548 times.

What he said, and you are welcome to build your own Internet...and create companies like Cisco, HP, IBM, Sun...you get the picture...as for DNS and time services...same thing...Don't mean to sound like a dick, but when the EU gets it collective shit together, and the world economy is based on YOUR currency, you can deal with the kooks that run Iran...et al. 'Cause I sure as hell am tired of being the infidel..and I'm pretty sure that SWA saves money by not having to pay those travel portals everytime your eyeball hits 'em....

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: wingman
Posted 2013-07-23 15:40:58 and read 9218 times.

I meet a lot of wonderful people from foreign countries here in San Francisco so people in North Korea, Cuba, and Iran can also use Hipdonkey to come visit here. I have a friend that works in a large hotel and I could get them some good rates if they tell me their flight info.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-07-23 15:46:03 and read 9158 times.

Quoting antidote (Reply 35):
A comment from a Canadian friend stays with me. He visited both Cuba and Iran, immensely enjoyed his experiences in both countries and said that if the US allowed its' citizens to travel to both countries, public sentiment for more open relationships would be light years ahead of government policy.

Having visited both Cuba and Iran ( the former on quite a number of occasions ) its chalk and cheese. Cuba is not a threat and in recent years has become more open. Im glad I went to Iran when I did because these days I would not set foot in it. When I went it was very much restricted and its worse now according to people recently there. Also the strict social limitations and dress codes would not entice thousands of Americans to book tickets to Tehran. Cuba on the other hand has the threat of being a new Cancun if the US lifts travel restrictions.

I loved Iran its full of culture,lovely people and food but its also home to some crazy rulers.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-07-23 16:23:32 and read 8680 times.

Dress code wise Iran has gotten much more liberal then what it was in the late 90s, they way women dress there now was unimaginable back then.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-07-23 17:07:03 and read 8122 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):

My point is not so much a comparison of their relative tourism industries but the ineffectiveness of this measure on travel to those countries.

Quoting avek00 (Reply 33):

In 2005 or 06, I was working in Iran for an American company...a very big American company. (I flew direct from Dubai to Kish Island, got a visa on arrival for a few bucks then flew to Tehran.) Of course, it wasn't really an American company...it was technically an Iranian company...that just happened to have a familiar American logo on all of its buildings, equipment, uniforms and checks.

My pay from my time in Iran still came from the US head office.

At the time, there were sanctions against American companies working in Iran, yet somehow, companies were...with no fines, penalties, charges....nothing. I guess the NSA just didn't know about it.

The weirdest thing is I didn't get jihaded once...and I don't exactly subtly blend in.

What I consider criminal is the sanctions on spare aircraft parts. That's one area where the only people hurt are civilians.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-07-24 14:25:01 and read 5170 times.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 40):
Our government is not interested in public pressure from within our borders to have a "more open relationship" with these nations. They aren't looking for support to open up things. They want to change those nations from enemies into non-enemies by regime change.

While Bush might have called them "evil" the policy hasn't changed much since him, as "evil" or not, they are still enemies who actively advocate harm against the USA, and support those who would do us harm.

Has Iran ever downed an American airliner ?

Has Iran a stockpile of nuclear ballistic missiles ?

Has Iran launched a network/virus attack on the Pentagon ?

Has Iran supported a neighboring country of the US into invading the US ?

Who is the enemy of whom, exactly ?

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-07-24 15:25:24 and read 5046 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 44):
Also the strict social limitations and dress codes
Quoting 777way (Reply 45):
Dress code wise Iran has gotten much more liberal then what it was in the late 90s, they way women dress there now was unimaginable back then.

lots of dress pics in here no skirts, tanks, sleeveless or the like but not strictly conservative either.

Iran Air- Tehran To London (Part 1 Of 3) (by omidp Jun 29 2010 in Trip Reports)

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-07-25 13:56:17 and read 4335 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 48):
lots of dress pics in here no skirts, tanks, sleeveless or the like but not strictly conservative either.

Still very strict dress codes for Western Women to adhere to. Most wont entertain it only those really wanting to visit the country. The majority of people dont want to cover up on their holidays especially in 80F heat which it was in the low season when I was there. I know its hard for a Muslim Man to maybe understand but Cuba wins when it comes to attracting Western tourism and always will bar any major unrest in the country.

It may not be so conservative by Muslim / Iranian standards but it is for Western standards and that is what I was talking about.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-07-25 14:41:31 and read 4238 times.

They had an Islamic revolution, they are not aiming for mass western tourists, if they were interested they would make Kish into an all open resort or have secluded beaches and lax dress codes on mainland.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-07-25 14:55:30 and read 4193 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 50):
They had an Islamic revolution, they are not aiming for mass western tourists, if they were interested they would make Kish into an all open resort or have secluded beaches and lax dress codes on mainland.

Which is the reason why Western tourists flock to Cuba thus undermining any US embargo and not to Iran.

And to go back to my orginal quote :

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
I think there is a big difference between the two though. Cuba has a thriving tourism industry with lovely 4-5 star beach resorts. Canadians/Europeans flock there so thats why it has not worked. Irans tourism industry is and always has been ( post 1975 ) specialist and not mass tourism like Cuba has become. You also dont have the same restrictions as a tourist in Cuba compared to Iran.

Say to most people the idea of going on vacation to Cuba and they are quite open to it. Say the same to going to Iran and they look at you with two heads.

A ban ( if indeed it is a ban ) on Iran from major travel websites will have much less violations in terms of being ignored and not effective than that of Cuba.

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: sevenfeet
Posted 2013-07-25 19:58:19 and read 3982 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 47):
Has Iran ever downed an American airliner ?

I think they got a drone once.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 47):
Has Iran a stockpile of nuclear ballistic missiles ?

Not yet.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 47):
Has Iran launched a network/virus attack on the Pentagon ?

I'd be real surprised if they haven't tried already.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 47):
Has Iran supported a neighboring country of the US into invading the US ?

Canada and Mexico generally like us. Iran's neighbors aren't as happy with them.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 47):
Who is the enemy of whom, exactly ?

Both countries are on record as being enemies of each other...what's your point?

Topic: RE: Iran Removed From All Major Travel Sites
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-07-25 20:06:18 and read 3966 times.

Quoting sevenfeet (Reply 52):

only the Arabs who've always hated Persians historically.


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