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Topic: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: Fiedman
Posted 2013-07-23 02:44:08 and read 16674 times.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2397825667/

it was 30 years ago today that AC 134 made an emergency landing at Gimli, Manitoba. According to this CBC feature that aired last night the aircraft was recently attempted to be auctioned off but no bidders bid for the aircraft. One hope was that someone could buy the aircraft and relocate it to Gimli.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2013-07-23 03:20:28 and read 16507 times.

That was one of the few miracles of aviation, that needs to be celebrated.......

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: AC_B777
Posted 2013-07-23 03:48:21 and read 16391 times.

Quoting Fiedman (Thread starter):
it was 30 years ago today that AC 134

It was flt 143......

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: ltbewr
Posted 2013-07-23 04:38:16 and read 16150 times.

What could have been a terrible disaster turned out to be the 'miracle on the prairie', due to the skill of the pilots, that one of them knew of the former RCAF base at Gimli and some luck. It also led to improvements in procedures to make sure the right amount of fuel was put on when using different measuring systems.

One question I have is why did the nose gear collapse upon landing ?

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: ChrisNH
Posted 2013-07-23 04:55:50 and read 16025 times.

Wow, that is a very well-done piece by the CBC. Thanks for sharing it!

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: RGFC
Posted 2013-07-23 05:21:58 and read 15877 times.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
One question I have is why did the nose gear collapse upon landing ?

As far as I remember the nose gear didn't fully extend: that's why it 'collapsed' upon landing (there was actually no proper nose 'gear')

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: MAN2SIN2BKK
Posted 2013-07-23 05:25:13 and read 15855 times.

Very good programme; thanks for sharing it Fiedman

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: markalot
Posted 2013-07-23 05:47:39 and read 15752 times.

Really glad I watched that, thanks for sharing the link!

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-07-23 05:53:57 and read 15714 times.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 4):
Wow, that is a very well-done piece by the CBC. Thanks for sharing it!

Indeed, nice piece by CBC! Thanks for sharing OP.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: Quantos
Posted 2013-07-23 06:55:38 and read 15436 times.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):

As RGFC said, the gear wasn't fully extended, because there was no hydraulics to lock it in place. They were dropped only by gravity IIRC.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2013-07-23 07:24:09 and read 15326 times.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
What could have been a terrible disaster turned out to be the 'miracle on the prairie', due to the skill of the pilots, that one of them knew of the former RCAF base at Gimli and some luck.

And the PIC (Bob Pearson) was a gliding instructor at a former WWII airbase near Hawkesbury, ON and was used to flying using steam gauges (the EFIS shut down). I was lucky enough to jumpseat with him on a LHR-YMX flight a couple of years after Gimli and got a first-hand account.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: ACDC8
Posted 2013-07-23 09:10:33 and read 14994 times.

Never did get to fly on her  

Very sad that Air Canada or the Government of Canada is showing such little respect or interest in preserving such a great piece of Canadian History.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-07-23 12:02:21 and read 14238 times.

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 2):
Quoting Fiedman (Thread starter):
it was 30 years ago today that AC 134

It was flt 143......

And, 30 years later, AC143 still operates YOW-YEG at about the same times as in 1983, except today it's an Embraer 190.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: soon7x7
Posted 2013-07-23 12:53:32 and read 13349 times.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 11):

Actually Boeing should preserve it. As well as an aviation Historic moment, it serves well the museum and demonstrates the robustness of Boeing Engineering, just like Grumman , "The Ironworks."

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2013-07-23 12:57:04 and read 13282 times.

Was there not a "made-for-tv" movie of this back in the late 80s/early 90s?

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: beechnut
Posted 2013-07-23 13:11:08 and read 13000 times.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 10):
And the PIC (Bob Pearson) was a gliding instructor at a former WWII airbase near Hawkesbury, ON and was used to flying using steam gauges (the EFIS shut down). I was lucky enough to jumpseat with him on a LHR-YMX flight a couple of years after Gimli and got a first-hand account.

I'm a native of Hawkesbury ON. I met Capt. Pearson on a YVR-YYZ flight many years ago when flying on business (about 10 or so years after the incident).

He is a true gentleman, and a great pilot!

I've also flown on C-GAUN (tail 604) on several occasions.

Beech

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: soon7x7
Posted 2013-07-23 13:17:48 and read 12865 times.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 14):

Yes, their was...

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2013-07-23 13:26:08 and read 12694 times.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 16):
Yes, their was...

Title......name.....?

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-07-23 13:30:52 and read 12631 times.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 17):
Title......name.....?
http://airodyssey.net/1998/07/01/movie-flt174/

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: Revelation
Posted 2013-07-23 13:57:32 and read 12210 times.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
What could have been a terrible disaster turned out to be the 'miracle on the prairie', due to the skill of the pilots, that one of them knew of the former RCAF base at Gimli and some luck.

... and ...

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 10):

And the PIC (Bob Pearson) was a gliding instructor

... as was Sully Sullenberger, the PIC for the 'Miracle on the Hudson' ...

Maybe I'm biased, but IMHO glider piloting sure does teach basic airmanship very well.

I was told that the Boeing test pilot at the controls of the 777 in the well known videos of its cross wind landing limits test was a former student of one of my CFIGs...

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2013-07-23 14:14:13 and read 11938 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
Title......name.....?
http://airodyssey.net/1998/07/01/movie-flt174/

Thanks Viscount.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: cytz_pilot
Posted 2013-07-23 16:10:01 and read 10586 times.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 11):
Very sad that Air Canada or the Government of Canada is showing such little respect or interest in preserving such a great piece of Canadian History.

I don't disagree with you, but I question whether either of those bodies are eager to show off the Gimli Glider as some kind of national trophy. The fact that the aircraft took off with insufficient fuel was a huge f*ckup by Air Canada, as a result of confusion over the metric system switchover (government-mandated). I know that's overly simplified, but perhaps the airline and the government would rather just let this one slide.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: qblue
Posted 2013-07-23 17:44:44 and read 9715 times.

For a while I would see CGAUN at YVR along with Air Transat CGITS I think, both gliders. But one would be coming in and the other outbound, could never get a picture with the two together.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: yyz717
Posted 2013-07-23 18:45:06 and read 9220 times.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 1):
That was one of the few miracles of aviation, that needs to be celebrated.......

More like an averted disaster, not a miracle. Not an event to be celebrated. Acknowledged maybe, when in a fit of Canadiana trivia. But celebrated? No......

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 13):
Actually Boeing should preserve it.

Why Boeing? How is this in the interests of Boeing shareholders?

It seems no one is willing to pony up the $ to preserve this former government-owned asset. Time to dismantle this unwanted early model 762.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-07-23 18:56:53 and read 9101 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 23):
It seems no one is willing to pony up the $ to preserve this former government-owned asset.

It was owned by AC, not the government. I assume you're referring to AC still being government-owned when that aircraft was delivered but most of its many years of service with AC were after AC was privatized.

[Edited 2013-07-23 18:59:21]

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Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: akelley728
Posted 2013-07-23 20:32:09 and read 8535 times.

Great video, thanks for sharing!

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: longhauler
Posted 2013-07-23 20:53:19 and read 8594 times.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
One question I have is why did the nose gear collapse upon landing ?
Quoting RGFC (Reply 5):
As far as I remember the nose gear didn't fully extend: that's why it 'collapsed' upon landing (there was actually no proper nose 'gear')
Quoting Quantos (Reply 9):
As RGFC said, the gear wasn't fully extended, because there was no hydraulics to lock it in place. They were dropped only by gravity IIRC.

Without full hydraulics, an Alternate Gear Extension had to be performed.

This is done electrically, and the crew "forgot" that it takes about 4 times longer than a hydraulic extension, and it never fully extended in time.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2013-07-28 02:37:04 and read 5054 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 23):
More like an averted disaster, not a miracle. Not an event to be celebrated. Acknowledged maybe, when in a fit of Canadiana trivia. But celebrated? No......

Considering how and where they landed....Im sure many will be celebrating......

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: tymnbalewne
Posted 2013-07-28 07:35:36 and read 4744 times.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 26):
Without full hydraulics, an Alternate Gear Extension had to be performed.

This is done electrically, and the crew "forgot" that it takes about 4 times longer than a hydraulic extension, and it never fully extended in time.

My understanding is that the nose gear's failure to lock was beneficial is that the nose of the aircraft provided the friction with which to stop the aircraft.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: soon7x7
Posted 2013-07-28 19:27:49 and read 4271 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 23):
Why Boeing? How is this in the interests of Boeing shareholders?

Then scrap it!...why should Boeings museum keep anything ?

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: bmacleod
Posted 2013-07-29 05:18:52 and read 3948 times.

Quite disappointing AC trying to distance itself much as possible from the incident. No honor or recognition by AC to Captain Pearson for preventing disaster. Guess 1983 was a bad year for AC (DC-9 fire in CVG) and they would rather forget that year.

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: TrnsWrld
Posted 2013-07-29 05:44:34 and read 3882 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 23):


More like an averted disaster, not a miracle. Not an event to be celebrated. Acknowledged maybe, when in a fit of Canadiana trivia. But celebrated? No......

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 13):
Actually Boeing should preserve it.

Why Boeing? How is this in the interests of Boeing shareholders?

It seems no one is willing to pony up the $ to preserve this former government-owned asset. Time to dismantle this unwanted early model 762.


Ugh, some people are just so negative. I would swear by reading your posts I would think you hated aviation. I mean I understand what your saying and all, but come on you gotta admit that even though this entire issue was human error, the pilots did manage to land a 767 with no power is pretty awesome....and at an airport, sorta  

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-07-29 11:22:36 and read 3636 times.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 30):
Quite disappointing AC trying to distance itself much as possible from the incident.

Both Gimli glider pilots were invited to travel on the aircraft's final retirement flight to the desert in January 2008. A couple of the original cabin crew were also aboard. The flight operated YUL-TUS (to clear customs)-MHV. Made a low flypast at YUL after departure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MHy6yy3Z00

There was a photo somewhere of the crew in the cockpit before departure but I can't find it now.

[Edited 2013-07-29 11:23:34]

Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: robsaw
Posted 2013-07-29 12:28:32 and read 3471 times.

Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 31):
Ugh, some people are just so negative. I would swear by reading your posts I would think you hated aviation. I mean I understand what your saying and all, but come on you gotta admit that even though this entire issue was human error, the pilots did manage to land a 767 with no power is pretty awesome....and at an airport, sorta

On the other-hand, the whole reason for the incident was a series of cascading human errors in relation to a mechanical fault that really does create a question of exactly what and whom should or should not be celebrated. A coincidence resulted in the aircraft being piloted by perhaps the most suited crew who did a masterful job of gliding a 767 to a relatively good landing and subsequent awards. The other more negative aspects are a final "blame" assignment to Air Canada but also suspensions to the pilots and a mechanic by AC with things like improperly updated fuel management procedures, leaving equipment in an improper state, MEL misinterpretation, metric-imperial conversion and data entry errors, and miscommunication between outgoing and incoming pilots.

Great flying - bad aircraft management.

[Edited 2013-07-29 12:29:10]

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Topic: RE: Gimli Glider 30 Years Later
Username: bmacleod
Posted 2013-07-31 05:24:16 and read 2897 times.

It's too bad there isn't a tracking system to find out what date and flights C-GAUN flew in and out of my airport YHZ.


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