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Topic: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: AirbusGeek
Posted 2013-08-08 05:33:33 and read 7900 times.

Cuidad Real Central Airport south of Madrid, could now be yours for ONLY €100 Million! Buy it now before it goes!

Fine print: You will have to pay off €529 MIllion in Debt to creditors.

The story here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Airport-finally-brought-life.html

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-08-08 05:47:38 and read 7830 times.

That's the one Top Gear (UK) were at this series, correct?

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-08-08 05:51:27 and read 7796 times.

Ummmmm... A failed airport in an area that isn't exactly likely to be highly valuable land to develop either.

Not exactly a great deal.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-08-08 06:05:02 and read 7706 times.

I suggest they offer this in real estate magazines worldwide with the text heading

GET REAL

The place is worth a symbolic € and not a cent more. Still, anyone buying the place would be in trouble before the ink on the contract has dried.

It was "pecado en la ciudad" to build this place and to waste money on it.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: 727tiger
Posted 2013-08-08 06:09:02 and read 7677 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

That's the one Top Gear (UK) were at this series, correct?

Yes, it is.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2013-08-08 06:40:59 and read 7533 times.

Did they ever get a HSR built out there?

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: spantax
Posted 2013-08-08 08:57:45 and read 7192 times.

Could be used as a storage/dump airport Nevada-style? The place is hot and dry, few rain, very long runway and not that far from MAD. By the way, are there in Europe these kind of storage airports?

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-08-08 10:27:21 and read 6991 times.

Believe it or not, there is one in Spain, Teruel Airport, Teruel. I never heard of that and came across checking the move,ments this morning finding that the 2 744s from Air Cargo Germany have been ferried there from HHN resp FRA. for storage.

Teruel is a dedicated storage airport. Amazing. That kind of business is taken from Ciudad Real as well....

There are others as well, Chateauroux in France, the English have some former RAF fields that specialize in scrapping, someone tried that in Ahlhorn AB in Northern germany once. Pau in France or was it Lourdes is an Airbus facility...

becoming big business.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: bennett123
Posted 2013-08-08 10:38:31 and read 6954 times.

In the UK, you have Kemble, Bournemouth, Manston, Southend, Lasham, and to some extent St Athan.

They also do storage/parting.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: Braniff747SP
Posted 2013-08-08 20:01:47 and read 5432 times.

Sounds manageable... we all chip in $50 and make it the 'A.net Memorial Field' or something of the like.

[Edited 2013-08-08 20:04:00]

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2013-08-08 20:06:32 and read 5387 times.

I bid one euro. It's a good price Spain, I suggest you take the offer.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: chiphazzard
Posted 2013-08-08 21:38:19 and read 5021 times.

Just don't forget you also "buy" a big debt with it of about 500 milion euro's ....

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-08-08 22:43:29 and read 4721 times.

No, one € without any debt. That would be the deal and that contains a lot of risk for any potential buyer.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: jetblueguy22
Posted 2013-08-08 22:50:27 and read 4662 times.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 9):
Sounds manageable... we all chip in $50 and make it the 'A.net Memorial Field' or something of the like.

I'll have to see if we have some discretionary spending money sitting around and see if Paul will let us buy it . Though I have a funny feeling NIMBYs will burn our airport to the ground with all the classic jets making a racket    .

It's a shame to see an airport just sitting around to waste. I know Spain's economy isn't the best right now, but were the projections just crazy high for the passenger count? Or did the economy really hurt the airport that much?
Pat

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: mad99
Posted 2013-08-08 23:26:43 and read 4459 times.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
Did they ever get a HSR built out there?

Yes before the airport was built.
It goes right past it!

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: babybus
Posted 2013-08-09 00:25:52 and read 4070 times.

Imagine the money wasted too on what was obviously a totally inaccurate feasibility study.

Again it proves how random some business decisions really are. Can we presume this was mostly EU money?

It seems to have had airline backing which you would have thought would have given it a good kick-off.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2013-08-09 00:47:02 and read 3894 times.

None of it was EU money. It was all PRIVATE MONEY. It's absolutely hilarious to see some of the comments on the daily mail website, deriding the EU for this "waste", "point out one single thing the have done". The EU has opened borders, allowed the UK to benefit from a relatively strong pound, weak Euro, made those Spanish and Greek holidays cheap and easy. The EU has removed trade barriers allowing Asian and US manufacturers to open factories, employing thousands (Toyota, Honda, etc) and made that nice BMW or Merc much more affordable than it would otherwise be.
Now, much of that money has probably been "bailed out" by the Spanish and EU tax payers since, but it was originally a private project, not a government one.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: Toni_
Posted 2013-08-09 09:34:44 and read 2334 times.

Finally a place to really put all the whacky airliners.net ideas to the test!  

With the a.net boarding process it will take 11 minutes to turn them bad boys around!
And someone call O'Leary! Tell him we got a conveyor belt runway ready to shoot those FR 737s right into the sky.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: LJ
Posted 2013-08-09 10:58:39 and read 2246 times.

Quoting Toni_ (Reply 17):
And someone call O'Leary! Tell him we got a conveyor belt runway ready to shoot those FR 737s right into the sky.

The problem is that 50% of those here on A.net want FR to fly to their airport and 50% not....... 
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 16):
The EU has opened borders, allowed the UK to benefit from a relatively strong pound, weak Euro, made those Spanish and Greek holidays cheap and easy.

Not only that, it made house prices in Spain go up as all those British holiday makers wanted to buy a house in Spain, making it impossible for some locals to buy one of their own.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: LJ
Posted 2013-08-09 12:00:52 and read 2167 times.

This airport featured in Pedro Almodóvar last movie (Los amantes pasajeros). The fun bit of the movie was that one of the characters was someone who tricked people in investing into the airport Cuidad Real and was was on his way to Mexico flee from prosecution.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2013-08-09 12:33:09 and read 2101 times.

Quoting babybus (Reply 15):

Imagine the money wasted too on what was obviously a totally inaccurate feasibility study.

Is MAD that overcrowed and does AB still fky there?

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2013-08-09 12:44:44 and read 2083 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
No, one € without any debt. That would be the deal and that contains a lot of risk for any potential buyer.

   Exactly so.

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: r2rho
Posted 2013-08-09 13:03:19 and read 2045 times.

Quoting AirbusGeek (Thread starter):
ONLY €100 Million! Buy it now before it goes! Fine print: You will have to pay off €529 MIllion in Debt to creditors.

Given the huge debt and zero market prospects, the airport may not even be worth a symbolic Euro...

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
It's a shame to see an airport just sitting around to waste. I know Spain's economy isn't the best right now, but were the projections just crazy high for the passenger count? Or did the economy really hurt the airport that much?

Nothing to do with the economy, the airport would have failed anyway, as it was a political pet project built on an unrealistic "business case", real-estate speculation, etc. There was no true market for it, with or without a good economy.

Quoting babybus (Reply 15):
Can we presume this was mostly EU money?

Not a single cent - just more of the usual EU-bashing there. Mainly local authorities and [now-bankrupt & bailed-out] regional savings banks. Don't worry, no UK tax money has been wasted there, just the savings of Spanish grandmas.

Quoting LJ (Reply 19):
This airport featured in Pedro Almodóvar last movie (Los amantes pasajeros). .

Now that could be an idea - rent it out to producers as a movie location - given that the scrapping business seems to be taken by Teruel (which I have just learned). Or what about general aviation, getting a flight school to set up there?

Topic: RE: Spanish Airport For Sale
Username: peterinlisbon
Posted 2013-08-09 21:11:29 and read 1861 times.

Ciudad Real doesn't do too badly for transport connections - it has a stop on the high speed railway line between Madrid and Seville and an international airport. I once went there for the weekend and we left early out of boredom - it's just a small town with nothing to see. I think there was a plan at some point to build a huge casino complex and to try to create a sort of European Las Vegas, but I don't know if that ever go off the ground.


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