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Topic: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-08-10 22:23:10 and read 14401 times.

While spotting at narita earlier I saw a colorful red 777 or A330- couldn't tell which- departing NRT. It had "Edelweiss" titles on the sides. A quick wiki search showed they're a charter airline but didn't really give more details.


Anyone flown these guys? What's their service like? What do they do as a carter?


Why were they in Narita?

Thanks guys. These questions I couldn't really ascertain on google.

-PHX787

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-08-10 22:31:29 and read 14389 times.

Edelweiss is flying twice per week to NRT for Swiss in August:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20775013-post9.html

Home Page:

http://www.edelweissair.ch/en/

Wiki article where you'd have seen that you had spotted an A330:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelweiss_Air#Fleet

Took under 5 minutes to find.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: KFlyer
Posted 2013-08-10 22:31:44 and read 14386 times.

Edelweiss is a subsidiary of SWISS, predominantly operating to leisure destinations. Not sure what they were doing in NRT though, unless their A330 was subbed for a LX one.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-08-10 22:49:25 and read 14309 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Took under 5 minutes to find.

And it took him less than 30 seconds of typing to get someone to do the research for him. Who do you think is ahead?

        

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-08-10 22:51:28 and read 14308 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Who do you think is ahead?

I am, because I'm self-sufficient.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-08-10 23:30:38 and read 14163 times.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 2):

Edelweiss is a subsidiary of SWISS, predominantly operating to leisure destinations.

Surprisingly Edelweiss is operating for LX on the JFK-ZRH route. One would think that such a route would warrant Swiss own product.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-08-10 23:33:34 and read 14156 times.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 2):
Edelweiss is a subsidiary of SWISS, predominantly operating to leisure destinations. Not sure what they were doing in NRT though, unless their A330 was subbed for a LX one.

Nope, in the summer schedule WK operates their 330's ZRH-NRT on top of the daily 340 LX is sending there.
It is for the increased demand in tourism during the period.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Anyone flown these guys? What's their service like? What do they do as a carter?

I have flown on the A320's regularly between AMS&ZRH albeit on a LX flight operated by WK.
Staff is very friendly, and are on par with LX staff. The 320 lay-out is similar to the LX 320's only the seatcovers are blue in stead of grey.

Considering their A330 ops, I have flown ZRH-HER on their 330-300 (HB-JHQ) in C-class. It was a short sector, but nevertheless a very comfortable flight. The C-class featured here is not to be compared with LX C-class, but more like a C-class typical for holiday charters. Service was tremendous, and I really like the friendly staff and superb service on Edelweiss.

The A330-200 Edelweiss is also operating is missing from my log, so I can't comment on that one, but I assume it is rather similar to the 330-300, but a little older.

Since Edelweiss and SWISS are very tight together it is possible to see LX aircraft operating WK flights, but also the other way round. Especially during the low season you can see the 320's of Edelweiss operating throughout Europe substituting for LX A320's. Often these aircraft are placed on flight to AMS, during winter sometimes 3 out of 4 daily flights are operated by Edelweiss.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: SA7700
Posted 2013-08-11 00:07:45 and read 14044 times.

I have flown on Edelweiss between ZRH and AMS in C. The overall product was great and not anything less than LX's own C product.

Regards,

SA7700

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2013-08-11 01:26:33 and read 13803 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
Surprisingly Edelweiss is operating for LX on the JFK-ZRH route. One would think that such a route would warrant Swiss own product.

For the 1000th time, the aircraft operating the ZRH-JFK route for LX is in Swiss colours, has the normal 3 class configuration in it and passengers ARE offered the Swiss product. The only thing not from LX is the crew, which is provided by Edelweiss Air. And just like others have said, Edelweiss Air crew are just on par or sometimes even better than Swiss crews.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: reifel
Posted 2013-08-11 02:55:37 and read 13477 times.

They also operate quite a few flights on various european routes with A320 on behalf of Swiss, however other than the JFK route they do this with Edelweiss livery and crews. It's actually quite a traditional carrier, and the only one besides UK carriers to serve TPA by the way from Europe and offering great connections through ZRH to everywhere in Europe with LX

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: autothrust
Posted 2013-08-11 03:18:58 and read 13367 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Anyone flown these guys? What's their service like?

I've flown Edelweiss several times including on the A330 and A320. The service is nice and the crew are IMO even friendlier
then LX.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: canyonblue17
Posted 2013-08-11 08:24:56 and read 11507 times.

Does Edelweiss still serve ZRH-TPA with the A330? If so, I assume this fits their seasonal model.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-08-11 08:34:47 and read 11368 times.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 11):
Does Edelweiss still serve ZRH-TPA with the A330?

Yes, once weekly. As mentioned in the thread below, they only have two wide-bodies.

Edelweiss Reducing TPA Summer To 1 Weekly (by TPAfan May 21 2013 in Civil Aviation)

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...type=A330&fleet=4316&fleetStatus=1

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: virginblue4
Posted 2013-08-11 08:40:04 and read 11281 times.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 11):

The answer is 2 posts above yours...

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2013-08-11 09:37:07 and read 10564 times.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 11):
Does Edelweiss still serve ZRH-TPA with the A330?
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 12):
Yes, once weekly.

ZRH-TPA is producing good numbers for Edelweiss; a lot better than when they served MCO. They're going back to 2X weekly from March 2014 through October 2014. Also, for the record, their success has not been "highly dependent on German demand" as many stated on the forums two years ago. The route has been primarily driven by Swiss leisure with most bookings originating and terminating in ZRH and TPA.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: reifel
Posted 2013-08-11 10:19:09 and read 10064 times.

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 14):
ZRH-TPA is producing good numbers for Edelweiss; a lot better than when they served MCO. They're going back to 2X weekly from March 2014 through October 2014. Also, for the record, their success has not been "highly dependent on German demand" as many stated on the forums two years ago. The route has been primarily driven by Swiss leisure with most bookings originating and terminating in ZRH and TPA.

I just wanted to post as well that it must be successfull since it will turn twice weekly  

Yes, Edelweiss is literally unknown in Germany and most people on that plane would be Swiss indeed. It does however offer good connections, but then from FRA you can also fly with a dozen other carriers to TPA with only one stop.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-08-11 11:07:44 and read 9527 times.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 11):
Does Edelweiss still serve ZRH-TPA with the A330? If so, I assume this fits their seasonal model.

Here is the inaugural flight approaching TPA

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Photo © Ozell Stephens Jr

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 12):
they only have two wide-bodies.

No wonder I always see the same plane....although I've heard they have on occasion brought in the -200

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-08-11 13:19:05 and read 8162 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Who do you think is ahead?

I am, because I'm self-sufficient.

He is, he got the information without having to do much more than ask on here.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-08-11 13:34:21 and read 7992 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 17):
He is, he got the information without having to do much more than ask on here.

If you believe not knowing how to do something for yourself as "being ahead".   

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: TC957
Posted 2013-08-11 14:09:47 and read 7589 times.

I recall seeing an Edelweiss A330 in NRT a couple of years ago, much to the delight of the local Japanese photographers, so I don't think it's a completely new route for them.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: vanguard737
Posted 2013-08-11 15:07:19 and read 7081 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
If you believe not knowing how to do something for yourself as "being ahead".   

You mad bro?

I thought the main reason for these forums was to exchange ideas and information with like-minded people, many of whom have first-hand insight. Sure beats relying on Wikipedia. Maybe I'm wrong... (?)

In any event, I've always liked the Edelweiss livery and would love the chance to fly with and experience WK. Too bad they don't serve ORD, would make it much easier for me. Maybe I'll have to visit Switzerland by way of Tampa some day.

 

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Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: britjap
Posted 2013-08-11 15:32:27 and read 6832 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Why were they in Narita?

Don't know much about their NRT ops but once back in 2011 I visited a company in Yonago and was VERY surprised to see an Edelweiss A330 sitting on the ramp at YGJ !! Have no idea what it was doing there, but I was pretty pleased to see it.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-11 21:13:36 and read 4818 times.

Quoting vanguard737 (Reply 20):

"I thought the main reason for these forums was to exchange ideas and information with like-minded people, many of whom have first-hand insight. Sure beats relying on Wikipedia. Maybe I'm wrong... (?)"

It is, but some people just have the wrong attitude to do that. They seem to like to exersize fakse superiority over others that they wouldn't have if this were a face to face discussion. And this is not just limited to one person on this site. Everybody has done it at some point, but some do it constantly.     

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2013-08-12 03:03:01 and read 4069 times.

WK/LX operate many charter flights to several Japanese cities during the summer months. These flights are usually packed with tons of Japanese groups.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: Semaex
Posted 2013-08-12 04:41:58 and read 3826 times.

Are the WK flights LX-codeshares and feeded from the LX European network at ZRH? Are WK bookings possible via the LX website?

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-08-12 06:02:22 and read 3710 times.

Yes, AFAIK they are bookable as most flights are codeshares

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: reifel
Posted 2013-08-12 12:44:46 and read 3384 times.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 24):
Are the WK flights LX-codeshares and feeded from the LX European network at ZRH? Are WK bookings possible via the LX website?

Most (maybe even all) "real" WK flights (i.e. to TPA, Mombasa, whatever) have LX flight numbers, and can be booked through LX, i.e. with a feeder. "Real" WK flights can also be booked for point to point with WK directly, but then no feed is possible.

Furthermore, LX wetleases planes from WK on certain routes. This is true for the JFK route, although that plane is actually a LX plane, operated by WK for LX, so that is a bit special. The passenger will not realize he is on a WK flight .LX also wetleases planes from WK including crew for intraeuropean routes, and then these are real WK planes, operating with WK liverly. As these are wetleases, it's not a codeshare, and these routes can't be booked with WK, only with LX.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-08-12 13:59:19 and read 3283 times.

Quoting reifel (Reply 26):
The passenger will not realize he is on a WK flight

Except for the crew uniforms of course  

Interesting that they have WK operate the later ZRH-JFK flight (LX14) but the earlier return (LX17) - giving the WK crew just under 24 hours in NYC, whereas the LX crew operate the earlier ZRH-JFK (LX16) and return on the later LX 15, thus giving them a 30+ hour layover in NYC.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-08-12 16:20:28 and read 3108 times.

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 8):
For the 1000th time, the aircraft operating the ZRH-JFK route for LX is in Swiss colours, has the normal 3 class configuration in it and passengers ARE offered the Swiss product. The only thing not from LX is the crew, which is provided by Edelweiss Air. And just like others have said, Edelweiss Air crew are just on par or sometimes even better than Swiss crews.

Then what is the point with this practice if it is by all means Swiss except the crew?

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-08-12 16:22:50 and read 3103 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 28):
Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 8):
For the 1000th time, the aircraft operating the ZRH-JFK route for LX is in Swiss colours, has the normal 3 class configuration in it and passengers ARE offered the Swiss product. The only thing not from LX is the crew, which is provided by Edelweiss Air. And just like others have said, Edelweiss Air crew are just on par or sometimes even better than Swiss crews.

Then what is the point with this practice if it is by all means Swiss except the crew?

Crew costs should be lower and if not mistaken LX is short of crews especially during the peak season.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-08-12 16:47:23 and read 3075 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
Crew costs should be lower and if not mistaken LX is short of crews especially during the peak season.

Crew costs should be lower as Edelweiss is a charter/leisure oriented airline. However what I am surprised over is that Swiss crew are seemingly fine with Edelweiss crew operating on "their" airplanes/routes on a scheduled basis, which would suggest that LX is not actively hiring new crew to solve the shortage. Instead of hiring crew on its more expensive contract they let Edelweiss crew operate flights. What is there to stop Swiss transferring more flights to Edelweiss?

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2013-08-12 16:52:09 and read 3060 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 28):
Then what is the point with this practice if it is by all means Swiss except the crew?

Apart from the crew shortage, LX crews have a large backlog of vacation days that needs to be reduced.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-08-12 21:32:02 and read 2898 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Took under 5 minutes to find.
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
And it took him less than 30 seconds of typing to get someone to do the research for him. Who do you think is ahead?
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
I am, because I'm self-sufficient.

Ok Westy, I knew I'd attract your smirking with this thread, as you often post something like this on other likewise threads. Let me tell you my situation yesterday.
1) I was at NRT, equipped with only an iPhone
2) I was also equipped with two large bags, a Nikon D3200, and a huge backpack filled with souvenirs for family and friends
3) I was trying to find the restaurants that served decent food and not those tacky ones on the 5th floor
4) I was trying to coordinate my arrival into PHX with my dad, on the phone with him

blueflyer was right. Only 30 seconds wasted pulling up Safari on my iPhone, writing it down, and posting it. I don't have time for anything else, and as you see, the thread grew, with discussion about the airline itself. That was my intended purpose. I know others have that purpose too ok? So be nice about it.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 2):
Edelweiss is a subsidiary of SWISS, predominantly operating to leisure destinations. Not sure what they were doing in NRT though, unless their A330 was subbed for a LX one.

Well the timing made sense, it was Obon travel season, with many Japanese going abroad. The theme this year was "go somewhere none of your friends have gone before."

Quoting autothrust (Reply 10):
Quoting SA7700 (Reply 7):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):

Thanks for your input. Very interesting concept, and of course a great livery.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: 330lover
Posted 2013-08-13 01:40:27 and read 2641 times.

Quoting reifel (Reply 26):
Furthermore, LX wetleases planes from WK on certain routes. This is true for the JFK route, although that plane is actually a LX plane, operated by WK for LX, so that is a bit special. The passenger will not realize he is on a WK flight

I thought it was only cockpit crew by WK, but cabin crew real LX?
Might be wrong though, please correct me if so.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-08-13 02:38:53 and read 2549 times.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 33):

I thought it was only cockpit crew by WK, but cabin crew real LX?
Might be wrong though, please correct me if so.

No, both cockpit and cabin crew on LX14/LX17 are WK but using an LX A333.

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-08-13 02:40:33 and read 2557 times.

HB-JHM is officially an A330-300, operating under the AOC of Edelweiss, leased by SWISS with a full WK crew.
The livery is SWISS though, but you can paint an apple orange without transferring the apple into an orange  

Topic: RE: Edelweiss Air: Who Are They?
Username: YVRLTN
Posted 2013-08-13 18:44:32 and read 2051 times.

They also fly to YVR in summer twice a week with a LX codeshare.


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