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Topic: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-08-14 01:30:21 and read 6462 times.

Hi guys,

just wondering what the deal with these flights is.
Do they all have Fifth Freedom rights (I would assume so)?
Do pax can pax get off, do they have to get off?

Thanks guys!

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-08-14 02:17:24 and read 6299 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Thread starter):

Do they all have Fifth Freedom rights (I would assume so)?

Yes. Those I recall of the top of my head (I will put the entire outward journey down): DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC, DXB-SYD-AKL, DXB-MEL-AKL, DXB-BNE-AKL, DXB-BKK-HKG, DXB-LUN-HRE, DXB-ACC-ABJ, DXB-LCA-MLA, DXB-CMB-SIN, and forthcoming DXB-MXP-JFK. You may purchase tickets on those legs that didn't originate or end in DXB.

I see this article on EK's fifth freedoms came out today: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...--with-mixed-success-so-far-121979



[Edited 2013-08-14 02:24:29]

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-08-14 03:44:48 and read 6078 times.

Those are actually a few more than I had in mind, but I would expect no less from you.  

I am most likely going to be on the DXB-CMB-SIN route soon. Just wondering if you can get off the plane or if you have to wait onboard.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: semobeila
Posted 2013-08-14 04:15:07 and read 5977 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 2):
I am most likely going to be on the DXB-CMB-SIN route soon. Just wondering if you can get off the plane or if you have to wait onboard.

Usually depends on the airport you go through, some require passengers to get off, but in CMB you will have to stay on board.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: winGl3t
Posted 2013-08-14 06:05:17 and read 5706 times.

They also have DXB-GIG-EZE-GIG-DXB with full 5th freedom rights.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: AirGabon
Posted 2013-08-14 06:51:05 and read 5589 times.

Yes I flew ABJ-ACC-ABJ with EK and the sector was full of local passengers commuting between Ivory Coast and Ghana in both directions.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: britannia25
Posted 2013-08-14 07:00:45 and read 5537 times.

I flew the Dubai to Bangkok to Sydney Flight and we got off the plane in Bangkok for around 1 hour. It was nice to get off and have a bit of a walk around. I think a lot of the passengers got off in Bangkok (I was in the row of 4 in the middle and not one of them got back on at BKK, I had new pax next to me). There also seemed to be a lot of new passengers getting on at Bangkok and the flight was full again to SYD. I have no idea how many were going all the way to CHC. The same goes for the return.

It was also cheaper to fly this route than one of the non-stop London - Dubai - Syndey flights. It's a long way but the ICE helped  


BY

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-08-14 08:02:25 and read 5407 times.

Quoting semobeila (Reply 3):
Usually depends on the airport you go through, some require passengers to get off, but in CMB you will have to stay on board.

Well that'd be too bad, since I have never been to Sri Lanka. I was hoping to maybe get my passport stamped and to pick up a few postcards.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-08-14 08:15:44 and read 5354 times.

Here is everything that doesn't touch DXB. There are directional dupes...

ABJ ACC
ACC ABJ
AKL BNE
AKL MEL
AKL SYD
BKK HKG
BKK SYD
BNE AKL
BNE SIN
CHC SYD
CMB MLE
CMB SIN
EZE GIG
GIG EZE
HKG BKK
HRE LUN
JFK MXP
KUL MEL
LCA MLA
LUN HRE
MEL AKL
MEL KUL
MEL SIN
MLA LCA
MLE CMB
MXP JFK
SIN BNE
SIN CMB
SIN MEL
SYD AKL
SYD BKK
SYD CHC

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: 388crazy
Posted 2013-08-14 20:34:42 and read 4828 times.

I flew MEL-KUL-DXB and we were allowed to hop off but didn't have to, and we were made to get off on my DXB-SIN-MEL flight.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: leonardoq
Posted 2013-08-14 22:53:06 and read 4279 times.

Can we get to a conclusion that EK has the most 5th freedom flights?

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: Coal
Posted 2013-08-14 23:39:28 and read 3973 times.

Quoting leonardoq (Reply 10):
Can we get to a conclusion that EK has the most 5th freedom flights?

It's possible. I was trying to come up with a SQ list and it's nowhere near as long:

FRA - JFK
MUC - MAN
BCN - GRU
DXB - IST
NRT - LAX
HKG - SFO
ICN - SFO

Do they still fly MXP - BCN on the other days that BCN - GRU doesn't fly?

Although the list is shorter, on the other hand it leads me to believe that SIN is much better connected to DXB. Also, who wants to go, say, HKG - BKK - DXB when you can have a non-stop? (thought the same could be said for CX's HKG - BKK - SIN), or DXB - BKK - SYD - CHC?

Cheers
Coal

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-08-14 23:42:00 and read 3964 times.

Quoting leonardoq (Reply 10):
Can we get to a conclusion that EK has the most 5th freedom flights?

Actual current flights? I would think so. Fifth freedom rights including those not currently use? No.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-08-15 13:42:03 and read 2872 times.

Quoting Coal (Reply 11):
It's possible. I was trying to come up with a SQ list and it's nowhere near as long:

FRA - JFK
MUC - MAN
BCN - GRU
DXB - IST
NRT - LAX
HKG - SFO
ICN - SFO

Also DME-IAH.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: TurkishWings
Posted 2013-08-15 17:22:40 and read 2658 times.

Quoting Coal (Reply 11):
It's possible. I was trying to come up with a SQ list and it's nowhere near as long:

FRA - JFK
MUC - MAN
BCN - GRU
DXB - IST
NRT - LAX
HKG - SFO
ICN - SFO

SQ no longer flies DXB - IST.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-15 18:06:34 and read 2614 times.

Quoting 388crazy (Reply 9):
I flew MEL-KUL-DXB and we were allowed to hop off but didn't have to, and we were made to get off on my DXB-SIN-MEL flight.

On inbound flights to Australia you have to disembark for Quarantine purposes (what do they do exactly, spray lot of pesticides?) whereas on the outbound to Dubai you can chose to remain on the aircraft if you want.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 7):
I was hoping to maybe get my passport stamped and to pick up a few postcards.

Even if you were allowed of you wouldn't have that much time! Whenever I've gone through SIN with EK there have been announcements that we should be back at the gate 30 minutes later. If you are allowed of, it will only be into the sterile airside departure lounge... although there might be a gift shop for you there!


I flew BNE-AKL-BNE a couple of years ago, the load was 100% in Y both ways, and if I had to guess I would say that the vast majority were BNE O&D heading to AKL. In comparison, the last time I flew DXB-BNE(-AKL) - also 100% in Y - virtually the entire aircraft was continuing to AKL. I guess there is seasonal variation etc which allow them to keep up the loads year round.

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2013-08-15 20:33:53 and read 2502 times.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 14):
SQ no longer flies DXB - IST.

Is ATH-IST-SIN still available?

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-08-16 17:07:18 and read 2107 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
Even if you were allowed of you wouldn't have that much time! Whenever I've gone through SIN with EK there have been announcements that we should be back at the gate 30 minutes later. If you are allowed of, it will only be into the sterile airside departure lounge... although there might be a gift shop for you there!

Thanks for the input.
I will not be going to SIN but to HKG instead now. And of course via BKK. So I will have to see what that routing will do for me.  

Topic: RE: EK's One Stop Flights: Fifth Freedom Etc.?
Username: smi0006
Posted 2013-08-16 21:58:33 and read 1947 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
On inbound flights to Australia you have to disembark for Quarantine purposes (what do they do exactly, spray lot of pesticides?) whereas on the outbound to Dubai you can chose to remain on the aircraft if you want.

That not 100% correct, the cabins are not sprayed on all flights, that is done prior to leaving NZ, SIN, KUL, or DXB but that can be done when passenger are onboard. The aircraft heading to NZ are sprayed on the ground for NZ requirements in Australia.

However all transit passengers not originating in Australia must be re-screened through Australian security however, thus its a security requirement, and a rather stupid one


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