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Topic: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Max Q
Posted 2013-08-11 22:37:50 and read 26662 times.

I know this flight normally makes a tech stop but has it ever managed to make it non stop on this route ?

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-11 22:39:56 and read 26726 times.

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
I know this flight normally makes a tech stop but has it ever managed to make it non stop on this route ?

No, on the basis that it is scheduled to stop in BNE.

DFW-BNE has a success rate over 90% but diversions aren't totally unheard of, normally to AKL, but HNL, NAN, and LAX have been used in the past.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2013-08-11 23:12:02 and read 26367 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 1):
AKL, but HNL, NAN, and LAX have been used in the past.

I would imagine that at LAX they would still be overweight for landing and would need to either circle to burn off fuel or dump it...

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-11 23:31:21 and read 26210 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
I would imagine that at LAX they would still be overweight for landing and would need to either circle to burn off fuel or dump it

Now you mention it, I think LAX was a medical divert

Can anyone clarify?

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-08-11 23:35:22 and read 26185 times.

It's not a tech stop - local traffic is sold, including connections via BNE. Skipping Brisbane means inconveniencing a lot of people.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: YYZatcboy
Posted 2013-08-11 23:35:33 and read 26173 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):

I would imagine that at LAX they would still be overweight for landing and would need to either circle to burn off fuel or dump it...

Not if it was a planned stop. They would know that they could make it LAX-BNE so they would only carry enough fuel needed for the DFW-SYD flight out of DFW. Hence no overweight landing.

If it was a medical diversion then I imagine that is a totally different story.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: zkncj
Posted 2013-08-11 23:47:39 and read 26048 times.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 4):
It's not a tech stop - local traffic is sold, including connections via BNE. Skipping Brisbane means inconveniencing a lot of people.

The main purpose of the stop in BNE is to upload fuel for the last 1.5hrs of the Journey. The BNE stop would incontinence more people

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-08-11 23:49:16 and read 26020 times.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
The main purpose of the stop in BNE is to upload fuel for the last 1.5hrs of the Journey. The BNE stop would incontinence more people

I realize what the purpose is.

It's still not a tech stop, which implies nobody gets on/off the plane.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: ThrottleHold
Posted 2013-08-12 00:04:09 and read 25897 times.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
The BNE stop would incontinence more people

That would be messy!!!    

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: SexyAdonis
Posted 2013-08-12 00:22:55 and read 25756 times.

In an ideal world we would like to operate nonstop from DFW to SYD but, as it has already been discussed on this forum in the past, we currently do not have the equipment to viably operate this route.

In saying that, the stop in Brisbane (BNE) thus benefit a number of customers but the reality is the vast majority of our "high-yield" customers are Sydney (SYD) based and they find the stop in BNE an inconvenience. A vast majority of "high-yield" customers using QF 007 on the outbound (and heading to destinations beyond DFW) opt to fly back with the QF 12 and the QF 108 on their return sectors instead.

It has been pondered that a possible long term future solution could be to have American Airlines operate the route as we currently have a Joint Venture across the Pacific. A "Joint Venture" by definition is "metal neutral" and it does not matter which carrier operates the service all parties involved share the cost and profit of the operation. Please note this is ONLY a subject that has been discussed as a possible scenario and NO OFFICIAL conclusions have been decided on.

Sexy Adonis

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-12 00:23:18 and read 25758 times.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
The main purpose of the stop in BNE is to upload fuel for the last 1.5hrs of the Journey. The BNE stop would incontinence more people

But the majority of passengers (~60% was the last figure I heard) leave QF8 in BNE. Whether BNE is their final destination, or whether they would need to be re-booked to their final destination (MEL, PER, ADL, CBR, CNS etc) the point remains: non-stop, even if theoretically possible on any given day, would inconvenience a lot of people.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: vhebb
Posted 2013-08-12 00:29:38 and read 25712 times.

Quote:
The main purpose of the stop in BNE is to upload fuel for the last 1.5hrs of the Journey. The BNE stop would incontinence more people

Not true. The majority of inbound pax actually disembark in BNE.

With the 5:00am arrival BNE offers direct domestic connections to SYD, MEL, PER, ADL, CBR, DRW, as well all regional QLD destinations. At that time of the morning in BNE its a very easy connection onto QF domestic services.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Independence76
Posted 2013-08-12 00:33:30 and read 25694 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 9):
In an ideal world we would like to operate nonstop from DFW to SYD but, as it has already been discussed on this forum in the past, we currently do not have the equipment to viably operate this route.

Aren't A380-800's capable of the range, cargo, and passenger numbers no problem?

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: SexyAdonis
Posted 2013-08-12 00:43:36 and read 25626 times.

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 12):
Aren't A380-800's capable of the range, cargo, and passenger numbers no problem?

As my post clearly states "we currently do not have the equipment to viably operate this route". The "key" word here is "viably". Our A380-800 would be subject to very high payload restrictions to operate the sector DFW - SYD nonstop. In addition it is a route that does not support a First Class (F) cabin. Dubai (DXB), London (LHR), Hong Kong (HKG) and Los Angeles are the only routes in our network that can generate yields in First Class (F).

Sexy Adonis

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: thekennady
Posted 2013-08-12 00:52:30 and read 25540 times.

So the true routing of this flight is SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD? The 744 is not the right plane for DFW-SYD but the stop in BNE seems to work out well. Being on a isolated continent like Australia means gateways into the US will be few. Still a gem of a route for DFW.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2013-08-12 01:03:04 and read 25457 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 13):
Quoting Independence76 (Reply 12):Aren't A380-800's capable of the range, cargo, and passenger numbers no problem?
As my post clearly states "we currently do not have the equipment to viably operate this route". The "key" word here is "viably". Our A380-800 would be subject to very high payload restrictions to operate the sector DFW - SYD nonstop. In addition it is a route that does not support a First Class (F) cabin. Dubai (DXB), London (LHR), Hong Kong (HKG) and Los Angeles are the only routes in our network that can generate yields in First Class (F).

Sexy Adonis

A few months back on QF008 I was talking to one of the QF pilots, they said over the distance of DFW-BNE, the 747-400ER is actually more viable and the prefered aircrft in the QF fleet, any fuel efficiencies gained with the newer A380 are lost with the payload restrictions over such a distance. So unless they change the routing with an actual 'tech' stop somewhere along the way, or untill QF get another aircraft type, you will see it being operated by a 747-400ER for a while yet.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 11):
With the 5:00am arrival BNE offers direct domestic connections to SYD, MEL, PER, ADL, CBR, DRW, as well all regional QLD destinations. At that time of the morning in BNE its a very easy connection onto QF domestic services.

Correct, it is great for all the onward connections to other Australian ports as well s the BNE market.

What QF have also found, QF008 is great for BNE pax flying via SYD for other international services, allows them to sell tighter connections as there is no terminal transfer required on arrival in SYD. Or even BNE pax who want to connect onto QF007, no terminal transfer and a 747 all the way   

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-08-12 01:33:51 and read 25239 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 9):
It has been pondered that a possible long term future solution could be to have American Airlines operate the route as we currently have a Joint Venture across the Pacific.

I'm assuming that would be a 777-300ER doing DFW-SYD non-stop both ways?

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-08-12 01:57:07 and read 25057 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 9):
In an ideal world we would like to operate nonstop from DFW to SYD but, as it has already been discussed on this forum in the past, we currently do not have the equipment to viably operate this route.

Any reason as why you referring to QF as 'we' & 'we' don't have equipment viable to operate the route?

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 12):
Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 9):
In an ideal world we would like to operate nonstop from DFW to SYD but, as it has already been discussed on this forum in the past, we currently do not have the equipment to viably operate this route.

Aren't A380-800's capable of the range, cargo, and passenger numbers no problem?

The current 12 x A380's in the QF fleet have F/C as pointed out by SexyAdonis. AJ has indicated in previous press releases QF will 'eventually' deploy the A380 on the DFW route once the deferred A380's are delivered in a 3 class configuration.

EK8413

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: SexyAdonis
Posted 2013-08-12 02:03:16 and read 25011 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 16):
I'm assuming that would be a 777-300ER doing DFW-SYD non-stop both ways?

According to Boeing statistics:

The Boeing 777-300ER has an average range of 7,825 nautical miles (14,490 km)

The Boeing 777-200ER has an average range of 7,725 nautical miles (14,305 km)

The Boeing 777-200LR has an average range of 9,395 nautical miles (17,395 km)


The great circle distance between DFW and SYD is approximately 8,578 nautical miles. Thus in an ideal world the ideal aircraft would be a Boeing 777-200LR but considering that neither QANTAS (QF) or American Airlines (AA) has it, if endorsed to American Airlines the route would probably operate with a Boeing 787-9 which has a range (depending on configuration and other factors) of 8,000 to 8,500 nautical miles (14,800 to 15,750 kilometers).

Please note the Boeing 787-9 is not schedule to join the American Airlines fleet until November 2014.

The Boeing 777-300ER, like the Boeing 747-400ER, would also be subject to payload restrictions. In addition, American Airlines has configured these aircrafts with a First Class Cabin (F) and thus have the intention of using them in markets that require this product.



Sexy Adonis

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: BHMNONREV
Posted 2013-08-12 02:26:41 and read 24847 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 15):
Quoting vhebb (Reply 11):
With the 5:00am arrival BNE offers direct domestic connections to SYD, MEL, PER, ADL, CBR, DRW, as well all regional QLD destinations. At that time of the morning in BNE its a very easy connection onto QF domestic services.

Correct, it is great for all the onward connections to other Australian ports as well s the BNE market.



I did QF008 last Monday returning to Darwin, and while the connection was long (4 15) it still saved me a good hour and a half versus going all the way to SYD. With the massive amount of early morning connecting opportunities in BNE this flight works well.
One thing I noticed that my flights to/from DFW were very light, while my LAX flights have been full. Not sure if this is the norm

Brisbane is a nice airport to connect in, with Australia being part of Global Entry I was able to arrive at the Domestic terminal 25 minutes after I arrived at the gate. Well done!!

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: DexSwart
Posted 2013-08-12 02:52:52 and read 24537 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 13):
Class (F) cabin. Dubai (DXB), London (LHR), Hong Kong (HKG) and Los Angeles are the only routes in our network that can generate yields in First Class (F).

JNB is also viable as a F Class route.

But that is against the point.


The -400ERs are to be in the fleet for about nine more years, so surely a viable alternative will present itself, through innovation or type?

Maybe the 747-8i will find a good home down here? I can hope!

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-08-12 05:00:26 and read 22442 times.

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 20):
The -400ERs are to be in the fleet for about nine more years, so surely a viable alternative will present itself, through innovation or type?

Maybe the 747-8i will find a good home down here? I can hope!

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

The B744 fleet is due for retirement 2019-2020 and by that time the fate of the deferred 8 x A380's should be clear.

EK8413

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: organizethesky
Posted 2013-08-12 05:45:23 and read 21551 times.

I see this flight come and go every day and love having it at my home airport.

When it first started it seemed that stops in AKL, HNL, NAN and maybe even one or so LAX were common but now days I can't remember hearing it being cleared to any other city rather than BNE. They always request relief from the climb out restrictions on their RVAN departures but that is also common of a lot of other international flights. It departs every night usually around 10:15 or 10:30 right after our last push of the night and rarely has to wait in line as we can usually get it right out.

Every day when it comes in (and if I'm working local) I always try to get it across the departure runway and to the terminal as quickly as possible. To me, the efficiency of keeping a good departure sequence going isn't important when a long distance flight has just landed knowing the people on that plane have been sitting in couch seats for some 15 or so hours.

I do remember one night when we had weather in the area that was slowing the pace of departures and then we had to do a flow change (stop departing to the south and change to the north) as it taxied out. We put it at the front of the line knowing if we held it up it could mess up the whole flight with a needed fuel stop.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-08-12 05:57:29 and read 21299 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 18):
The great circle distance between DFW and SYD is approximately 8,578 nautical miles.

DFW-SYD is 8578 *statute* miles, which is only 7454nm.

With the 787-9, perhaps QF could split that flight into 3 smaller flights : DFW-SYD, DFW-MEL, DFW-BNE

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-08-12 05:59:55 and read 21266 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 13):
In addition it is a route that does not support a First Class (F) cabin.

Maybe because of this:

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 9):
A vast majority of "high-yield" customers using QF 007 on the outbound (and heading to destinations beyond DFW) opt to fly back with the QF 12 and the QF 108 on their return sectors instead.

You're F class passengers want to go non-stop to/from SYD. If you can fly this route non-stop in both directions you may lose some lower yield passengers who prefere connecting in BNE but you'll gain more high yield passengers. Sounds like a route taylor made for AA's 787's.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: bwwt
Posted 2013-08-12 06:20:06 and read 22030 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
You're F class passengers want to go non-stop to/from SYD. If you can fly this route non-stop in both directions you may lose some lower yield passengers who prefere connecting in BNE but you'll gain more high yield passengers. Sounds like a route taylor made for AA's 787's.

The stop in BNE isn't really the reason for the lack of First class to DFW.
The F pax are only really going to two destinations in the US: LAX and to a lesser extent JFK. One of these flights already has direct access to Australia. It is just more efficient to route the limited F pax through the same gateway than to spread it out between two.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Sooner787
Posted 2013-08-12 07:33:30 and read 20576 times.

The QF rep that visits our travel agency thinks they'll switch the route to the 787-9
and eventually to the A380 after DFW makes the neccesary infrastructure
upgrades required for A380 service

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-08-12 08:37:12 and read 19573 times.

Quoting bwwt (Reply 25):
The stop in BNE isn't really the reason for the lack of First class to DFW.
The F pax are only really going to two destinations in the US: LAX and to a lesser extent JFK. One of these flights already has direct access to Australia. It is just more efficient to route the limited F pax through the same gateway than to spread it out between two.

I understand the lack of F demand beyond LAX and even JFK. But SexyAdonis stated that there is "high yield" demand in one direction only. So the demand is there. Whether "high-yield" includes F or not, that's a different thing.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-08-12 08:57:40 and read 19191 times.

Quoting thekennady (Reply 14):
The 744 is not the right plane for DFW-SYD but the stop in BNE seems to work out well.

The 747-400ER is the best option in QF's fleet at the moment - it has similar legs to their 569t TOW A380-800s and better matches the current market demand.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 9):
It has been pondered that a possible long term future solution could be to have American Airlines operate the route as we currently have a Joint Venture across the Pacific.

That would involve a payload hit (by weight), I would imagine, as the 747-400ER offers superior range to the 777-300ER (about 500nm at MZFW).

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 15):
A few months back on QF008 I was talking to one of the QF pilots, they said over the distance of DFW-BNE, the 747-400ER is actually more viable and the prefered aircrft in the QF fleet, any fuel efficiencies gained with the newer A380 are lost with the payload restrictions over such a distance. So unless they change the routing with an actual 'tech' stop somewhere along the way, or untill QF get another aircraft type, you will see it being operated by a 747-400ER for a while yet.

Once QF decides to start taking deliveries of their next tranche of A380-800s, they will be available with a 6t higher MTOW, the wing twist and perhaps a PiP for the Trent 900. Taken together, that should help, though operating the plane in a high-density three class (Business / Premium Economy / Economy) configuration would raise the OEW compared to the current four-class birds, which would eat into the MTOW boost.

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 20):
Maybe the 747-8i will find a good home down here? I can hope!

At the moment, the 747-8 has less range than the 747-400ER (by about 300nm), though once the second round of weight reductions (said to knock about 5 tons off spec OEW) and the GEnx PIPs are in place, it should have a bit better range.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-08-12 09:16:46 and read 18710 times.

Quoting bwwt (Reply 25):
The stop in BNE isn't really the reason for the lack of First class to DFW.
The F pax are only really going to two destinations in the US: LAX and to a lesser extent JFK. One of these flights already has direct access to Australia. It is just more efficient to route the limited F pax through the same gateway than to spread it out between two.

Agreed on this, the the DFW flight does seem to do a pretty good job filling the J cabin.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 23):
With the 787-9, perhaps QF could split that flight into 3 smaller flights : DFW-SYD, DFW-MEL, DFW-BNE

DFW-SYD would require more capacity than a daily 789, but DFW-MEL/BNE could use a 789. Maybe DFW-SYD would be 2x daily 789.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-08-12 09:27:26 and read 18491 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 29):
DFW-SYD would require more capacity than a daily 789, but DFW-MEL/BNE could use a 789. Maybe DFW-SYD would be 2x daily 789.

Someone mentioned 60% of DFW-BNE aren't bound for SYD. If that number is true, then DFW-SYD is just around what a 787-9 needs.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: roseflyer
Posted 2013-08-12 09:50:06 and read 18072 times.

Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL? AKL has some connections to Australia (as well as New Zealand domestic), and is viable 100% of the time. The difference between DFW-BNE-SYD and DFW-AKL-SYD is only 15 miles.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: LH707330
Posted 2013-08-12 10:24:09 and read 17274 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 28):
At the moment, the 747-8 has less range than the 747-400ER (by about 300nm), though once the second round of weight reductions (said to knock about 5 tons off spec OEW) and the GEnx PIPs are in place, it should have a bit better range.

Do the two have differently sloping payload/range curves? IIRC the spec range (pax and bags) for the 744ER is ~7600 nm and 8k for the 748.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-08-12 10:28:18 and read 17220 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):
Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL? AKL has some connections to Australia (as well as New Zealand domestic), and is viable 100% of the time. The difference between DFW-BNE-SYD and DFW-AKL-SYD is only 15 miles.

Perhaps it's a sign of things to come...I have heard AA is looking into starting up AKL. Perhaps they want to start the route from DFW. QF might be aware of this and hence the reason they are leaving it alone. ...Or it could be BNE is simply a more logical option for QF. . .

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-08-12 11:33:58 and read 16047 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):
Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL?

I would expect BNE's connection opportunities within Australia are better than AKL's.

vhebb noted in Reply 11 that "With the 5:00am arrival BNE offers direct domestic connections to SYD, MEL, PER, ADL, CBR, DRW, as well all regional QLD destinations. At that time of the morning in BNE its a very easy connection onto QF domestic services."



Quoting LH707330 (Reply 32):
Do the two have differently sloping payload/range curves? IIRC the spec range (pax and bags) for the 744ER is ~7600 nm and 8k for the 748.

At MZFW, the 747-400ER is good for 6250nm vs. 5900nm for the 747-8 (as of the December 2012 ACAP). At MZFW (252t), a 747-400ER can lift 67t of payload. A 747-8 can lift about the exact same payload the exact same distance (with a ZFW of 288t). At a 252t ZFW, the 747-8 could fly almost 7500nm, but payload would be reduced to about 44t.



The original goal was closer to 6500nm (per the December 2011 ACAP), so the OEW miss and (especially) the SFC miss impacted performance a fair bit evem with a 12t OEW boost (which really helped the freighter more than the Intercontinental). Boeing has successfully brought the 747-8 OEW to spec as of mid-2013 so that should help range and GE expects PiP1 for the GEnx2B-67 to reduce the SFC miss from 2.7% for current engines to 1.1% or less.

Project Ozark is said to reduce OEW by another 3t minimum, though Boeing is shooting for 5t. Assuming GE does a PiP2 for the GEnx2B-67, that should get SFC to spec (if not better). So the 2016 birds could be pretty strong performers.

[Edited 2013-08-12 11:34:52]

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: jgw787
Posted 2013-08-12 11:42:57 and read 15816 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):

It could also be due to the fact that the BNE-SYD sector benefits a lot of people from BNE who make international connections in SYD. Although the flight is within the same country, passengers go through exit immigration in BNE which makes for faster connects in SYD

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: AA777223
Posted 2013-08-12 11:45:10 and read 15780 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):
Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL?

I would expect BNE's connection opportunities within Australia are better than AKL's.

vhebb noted in Reply 11 that "With the 5:00am arrival BNE offers direct domestic connections to SYD, MEL, PER, ADL, CBR, DRW, as well all regional QLD destinations. At that time of the morning in BNE its a very easy connection onto QF domestic services."

I would suspect there was also a decision around the bleed off of those 40% of passenger that do not continue on to SYD. I think Qantas would rather snag the majority of them on to their connection then driving them into the hands of non-alliance partner, and competitor NZ. I am sure it served all of OneWorld better to have them head through BNE instead of giving Star Alliance a helping hand - just a thought.

[Edited 2013-08-12 11:46:42]

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: jayunited
Posted 2013-08-12 13:12:03 and read 14212 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 23):
With the 787-9, perhaps QF could split that flight into 3 smaller flights : DFW-SYD, DFW-MEL, DFW-BNE

What you have suggested makes no sense and would greatly increase QF's cost. Right now they operate only one flight which probably requires 4 pilots and at least 16-19 flight attendants. IF they took your suggestion they would still need 4 pilots to operate each flight you suggested so QF would go from needing 4 pilots to 12 pilots and a 787-9 probably would need at least 10-13 flight attendants so if they only have 10 flight attendants for the 787-9 then QF would now need 30 flight attendants to operate the 3 flights you suggested they operate.
If there was a need for all 3 of the flight that you have suggested then I would agree with your suggestion but according to most people who have taken or worked this flight they are all in agreement that at least 60% - 80% of the passengers are disembarking in BNE due to better connection times. I don't know the total number of seat QF has on its 744ER's but If 60% - 80% of the passengers on a 744ER are in fact disembarking in BNE I really do not think that a 787-9 would be enough capacity to suffice the demand that exist between DFW and BNE. And if 60 - 80% are getting off in BNE that would mean that the other 2 flights you suggested DFW-SYD/MEL would have to split the remaining 20% - 40% which would not be enough to fill two 787-9's .

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-08-12 14:05:22 and read 13211 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):

Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL? AKL has some connections to Australia (as well as New Zealand domestic), and is viable 100% of the time. The difference between DFW-BNE-SYD and DFW-AKL-SYD is only 15 miles.

Onward connections for passengers wishing to fly to the West coast Australia, PER, CBR, ADL, CNS, DRW, & Regional destinations can do so from BNE as pointed out by Stitch.

EK8413

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: zkokq
Posted 2013-08-12 14:27:16 and read 12815 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):

Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL? AKL has some connections to Australia (as well as New Zealand domestic), and is viable 100% of the time. The difference between DFW-BNE-SYD and DFW-AKL-SYD is only 15 miles.

When the route was started it was advertised as Dallas direct to Australia. Hence no other stops. I don't suspect this to change TBH.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: ZEDZAG
Posted 2013-08-12 14:32:13 and read 12710 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 28):
it has similar legs to their 569t TOW A380-800s and better matches the current market demand

If I remember correctly, isnt QF only operator of A388 with trent 972 witch has higher thrust? What is the gain for QF with this, greater range or what?

[Edited 2013-08-12 14:32:43]

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-08-12 14:36:08 and read 12638 times.

Quoting ZEDZAG (Reply 40):
If I remember correctly, isnt QF only operator of A388 with trent 972 witch has higher thrust? What is the gain for QF with this, greater range or what?

I have heard it said it was to improve takeoff performance out of LAX when at MTOW. As LAX is neither that "hot" nor "high", I am guessing it's to get her off the available runway length.

[Edited 2013-08-12 14:37:36]

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-08-12 14:51:36 and read 12363 times.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 37):

What you have suggested makes no sense and would greatly increase QF's cost. Right now they operate only one flight which probably requires 4 pilots and at least 16-19 flight attendants. IF they took your suggestion they would still need 4 pilots to operate each flight you suggested so QF would go from needing 4 pilots to 12 pilots and a 787-9 probably would need at least 10-13 flight attendants so if they only have 10 flight attendants for the 787-9 then QF would now need 30 flight attendants to operate the 3 flights you suggested they operate.
If there was a need for all 3 of the flight that you have suggested then I would agree with your suggestion but according to most people who have taken or worked this flight they are all in agreement that at least 60% - 80% of the passengers are disembarking in BNE due to better connection times. I don't know the total number of seat QF has on its 744ER's but If 60% - 80% of the passengers on a 744ER are in fact disembarking in BNE I really do not think that a 787-9 would be enough capacity to suffice the demand that exist between DFW and BNE. And if 60 - 80% are getting off in BNE that would mean that the other 2 flights you suggested DFW-SYD/MEL would have to split the remaining 20% - 40% which would not be enough to fill two 787-9's .

1. It may not fill it today, but it will given the right market stimulation. According to your logic, they would never upgauge to A380 because that's too big based on today's numbers.

2. People favor nonstop and fewer connections. MEL has enough high yield pax who aren't big fans of MEL-SYD-DFW-XYZ double connections.

3. 80% disembarking at BNE is definitely a huge exaggeration.

4. I'm just proposing a hypothetical solution. Obviously pax numbers would vary, but for a dispersed country like Australia, decoupling flights is a much smarter solution than having everyone go through SYD.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: tayser
Posted 2013-08-12 15:00:41 and read 12232 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):

Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL? AKL has some connections to Australia (as well as New Zealand domestic), and is viable 100% of the time. The difference between DFW-BNE-SYD and DFW-AKL-SYD is only 15 miles.

The biggest non-SYD/BNE destination for pax on the DFW-BNE-SYD flight will be MEL and QF has 5 flights to MEL in between 6am and 9am from BNE.... AKL-MEL is only 3x daily (and they're only 737s) with 5 hour gaps in between frequencies. 4x daily if you include JQ (but it departs AKL at 9pm) and although not part of OW, 5x daily if you include the EK flight which again is in the afternoon.

QF likewise have BNE-ADL 4x daily - AKL-ADL: zip. BNE-PER 4x daily, AKL-PER: zip.

Dont get me wrong, AKL would be a better connecting point if AA started DFW-AKL as its in the same terminal and customs done in destination port (MEL) - but it's likely only to work with Melbourne-bound and maybe Sydney-bound passengers and non-competitive for BNE/ADL/PER over the existing QF DFW-BNE-SYD service.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-08-12 15:48:21 and read 11461 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
I would imagine that at LAX they would still be overweight for landing and would need to either circle to burn off fuel or dump it...

No it wouldn't be if they were planning on stopping at LAX for fuel. They'd takeoff from DFW with an appropriate amount of fuel for the tech stop landing at LAX.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-08-12 16:40:42 and read 10637 times.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 37):
but If 60% - 80% of the passengers on a 744ER are in fact disembarking in BNE I really do not think that a 787-9 would be enough capacity to suffice the demand that exist between DFW and BNE

But that demand is not between DFW & BNE, it's between (USA)-DFW-BNE-(Australia). Which means it could be served via SYD or AKL or even MEL or CNS.

I supect that SYD-DFW will warrant an A380 (new improved version), MEL & BNE will most likely justify a B788 each, IF they have the range AND economics at that range that is being assumed.

About 2020 I could see Australia/USA on QF/JQ looking something like this depending on economic circumstances of course):
A380s SYD-DFW, SYD-LAX, MEL-LAX
B787 MEL-DFW, BNE-DFW, SYD-SFO, SYD-AKL-LAX or maybe SFO, SYD/MEL/BNE-HNL
A second SYD-LAX flight on something!

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: B747400ERF
Posted 2013-08-12 16:51:25 and read 10523 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 18):
The great circle distance between DFW and SYD is approximately 8,578 nautical miles.

In the real world, there isn't an airplane route out there that follows anything close to a great circle route. I don't understand the fascination on here with using great circle routes to justify the distance required of an airplane.

The great circle distance between KLAX and YSSY is listed as around 6500 miles, yet if you look at planned routes like QFA12, it is 7716 miles.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: DavidByrne
Posted 2013-08-12 17:26:47 and read 10041 times.

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 46):
The great circle distance between KLAX and YSSY is listed as around 6500 miles, yet if you look at planned routes like QFA12, it is 7716 miles.

I think you're mixing statute miles and nautical miles. The GC distance is 7488 statute miles.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: jayunited
Posted 2013-08-12 17:50:53 and read 9744 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 45):
But that demand is not between DFW & BNE, it's between (USA)-DFW-BNE-(Australia). Which means it could be served via SYD or AKL or even MEL or CNS.

No one ever said the traffic was O&D only in fact if you read this entire thread you will notice that most of the people who have commented on this thread have said that most people who are disembarking in BNE are making connecting flights and they choose to disembark in BNE because it is convenient and some have even said connecting in BNE saves time. QF8 already serves SYD via BNE I've never taken or worked this flight but from reading what has been posted on this thread it would seem that at the very least 60% (according to what has been posted earlier by other with knowledge) of this flight is disembarking in BNE and they are either terminating or connecting to other flights out of BNE. So my original question still remains the same why would QF need to go to 3 flights when they are covering all their bases with one flight. They are covering the connecting passengers by providing them with reasonably timed connections out of BNE. If BNE is not the passengers final destination or there are no connections in BNE that can get the passenger to their final destination then the passengers stays on QF8 and flies all the way to SYD where they can make a connection there. One of the reasons why this flight is so popular is because passengers have options fly all the to SYD or if BNE is an option for you they can disembark there. One flight that is covering 2 bases and its keeping QF's cost down sounds like a win win to me.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: B747400ERF
Posted 2013-08-12 18:07:17 and read 9513 times.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 47):

I think you're mixing statute miles and nautical miles. The GC distance is 7488 statute miles.

You are right. I am not familiar with the website and clicked the wrong button. The routing is more direct because you are all over water, but flights from Texas would not have such a luxury. They would mostly be restricted to airways until out of land.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Independence76
Posted 2013-08-12 18:58:00 and read 8860 times.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 26):
The QF rep that visits our travel agency thinks they'll switch the route to the 787-9

That was the word from the DFW CEO in 2010 when I asked him about it. The 787's were originally part of the plan for SYD-DFW. Unfortunately, it's clear management wanted to start it sooner and the 787's weren't coming as promised.

As a result, the 744ER was the single most logical option at the time. SFO was gone and some planes were freed up.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-12 19:37:36 and read 8309 times.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 48):
So my original question still remains the same why would QF need to go to 3 flights when they are covering all their bases with one flight. They are covering the connecting passengers by providing them with reasonably timed connections out of BNE. If BNE is not the passengers final destination or there are no connections in BNE that can get the passenger to their final destination then the passengers stays on QF8 and flies all the way to SYD where they can make a connection there
Quoting jayunited (Reply 37):
but according to most people who have taken or worked this flight they are all in agreement that at least 60% - 80% of the passengers are disembarking in BNE due to better connection times

80% is a stretch, but you're right - connections over BNE play a big role in this route. The only cities that QF fly to ex-SYD but not BNE are HBA and the regional destinations in NSW (CFS, TMW, ARM, ABX, DBO, WGA). HBA is an interesting one, but the market would be relatively small and they are used to double connections over MEL or SYD to get anywhere. Regional NSW might account for 5 passengers per week... if I'm being generous!

In comparison, QF offer shorter journey time to CNS and DRW, plus TSV, MKY, ROK, GLT etc that aren't served over SYD, and which are more attractive to inbound traffic than DBO or WGA!!! Also, never underestimate the strength of resources traffic to Regional Queensland - although I understand that market is more Canada-oriented than USA.

For other cities such as MEL, CBR, ADL, PER it is a wash - and those most be the 4 largest markets after SYD and BNE (maybe CNS in there as well).

In short, I would suggest that BNE provides a slight advantage in terms of destinations served, but overall it is negligible. Realistically, if the route could be flown non-stop to SYD then the VAST majority of passengers would not notice the difference, other than BNE O&D pax. Where BNE comes into its own is that if you have to stop en-route, you may as well stop at a hub.

As for 3 flights? Not happening. MEL-DFW is simply too far, it is longer than SIN-LAX! Moreover, I can't see the market supporting more than doubling currently available capacity in the next decade (3x300=900). At some point 2x787 seems likely, but it will be BNE as the second route

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 26):
The QF rep that visits our travel agency thinks they'll switch the route to the 787-9
and eventually to the A380 after DFW makes the neccesary infrastructure

The word at this end is that it is one or the other: either up-gauged to A380 or 2x 787. TBH the natural progression is 74E>388>2x787, but time will tell. Given that it would be 2016-2018 before QF have the necessary frames, it will almost certainly remain operated by the 74E for the next 4 years.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 37):
What you have suggested makes no sense and would greatly increase QF's cost

It is rumored long term, see above.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):
Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL? AKL has some connections to Australia (as well as New Zealand domestic)

Range of destinations. From AKL, QF fly to MEL, SYD, and BNE. MEL and SYD would be more convenient than the current BNE offering as they have to be one-stop anyway, but for the rest of the country it wouldn't be a good option.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 41):
I have heard it said it was to improve takeoff performance out of LAX when at MTOW. As LAX is neither that "hot" nor "high", I am guessing it's to get her off the available runway length.

Definitely for LAX. Between the relatively short runways and the headwinds over the South Pacific, the improved takeoff performance was necessary to minimise the chance of weight restrictions.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 45):
A380s SYD-DFW, SYD-LAX, MEL-LAX
B787 MEL-DFW, BNE-DFW, SYD-SFO, SYD-AKL-LAX or maybe SFO, SYD/MEL/BNE-HNL
A second SYD-LAX flight on something!

Interesting, I guess time will tell. I agree about the A380s, but I'm not sure that we'll see AKL-LAX again. Also you forgot BNE-LAX! I'm probably in a minority of one here, but I think that route will go A380 when the 747s are retired in ~2020, even though I've been reading for as long as I've been a member of ANet that it was a dead-set 787 route!!! (it probably was in 2007 - 2020? hmmmmm)

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: 747megatop
Posted 2013-08-12 22:47:06 and read 6437 times.

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 20):
Maybe the 747-8i will find a good home down here? I can hope!


Good luck with that hope. Even though i love the 747 so much (and hence my screen name); i really doubt that the 747-8 will be in production for long.. 4 or 5 years maybe? Reason being, nobody other than LH wants to passenger version (of course a couple of other airlines have probably purchased 1 or 2 here and there). There have been no appreciable cargo orders in the past 3 or 4 years...and with the glut of 747-400 passenger version retirements in the past few years and the upcoming few years ..that could eventually be converted to freighters who would want a 747-8 in any version?

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-08-13 01:05:40 and read 6152 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 51):
Also you forgot BNE-LAX!

Doh!!!

I suspect BNE-LAX will go B788, B789, A380 over the next 15 years or so. (I am assuming that the first B789s go to JQ, but who knows!!!) Provide reasonable to good economic conditions occur.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: koruman
Posted 2013-08-13 03:04:19 and read 5941 times.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 31):
Does anyone know why QF chose BNE over AKL? AKL has some connections to Australia (as well as New Zealand domestic), and is viable 100% of the time. The difference between DFW-BNE-SYD and DFW-AKL-SYD is only 15 miles.

This is the key question.

Brisbane is my international gateway and by the end of this year I will in 2013 have done 5 Business Class trips to US cities other than Los Angeles.

But I never fly Qantas on these trips any more. Ever.

I invariably use Air New Zealand because:

1) Connections at AKL require no change of terminal, no baggage reclaim.
2) SFO is a terrific airport to connect at.
3) In BOTH directions, the scheduling of the flights enables me to arrive refreshed.

There are few things more demoralising than a late morning departure from BNE or MEL or SYD to Los Angeles, in which you miss a night's sleep, only drop off to sleep as the aircraft is starting descend, and you then arrive early in the morning at LAX.

I understand that Qantas chose BNE over AKL for the DFW services because they needed a point of difference over Air New Zealand.

But as a BNE resident I will take one-stop via AKL every time over non-stop or triangle services via Sydney.

And I simply will not even consider an itinerary which requires me to terminal-hop at BNE or SYD.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: sccutler
Posted 2013-08-13 07:53:26 and read 5518 times.

As a periodic traveler to Australia from DFW, I cannot describe in mere words how grand it is to eliminate the stop in LAX. I lived in SoCal for a while, it was an interesting adventure, but if I never set foot on the grounds of LAX again, well, that's OK with me. An extra stop? No thanks!

Just booked my next ADL trip, and the connection at BNE is very convenient.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2013-08-13 08:38:59 and read 5411 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 18):
The Boeing 777-300ER has an average range of 7,825 nautical miles (14,490 km)

I have a copy of a flight plan for a 77W for DFW-SYD. The airways route was 7569nm and the flight time on the day was 16hrs 9 min or an ESAD of ~7800nm. The fuel load needed for the trip plus reserves was 137.8t . At MTOW this leaves 214.3t of ZFW. A typical 77W has a DOW ~ 173t so the payload on the day would have been ~ 40t . AA have their 77W configured for 306-seats which gives a passenger load ~ 30t leaving 10t for cargo. Quite respectable in my view. A 789 would be limited to about max passenger payload or ~27t

[Edited 2013-08-13 08:49:04]

[Edited 2013-08-13 08:49:20]

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-08-13 14:24:47 and read 5022 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 56):
I have a copy of a flight plan for a 77W for DFW-SYD. The airways route was 7569nm and the flight time on the day was 16hrs 9 min or an ESAD of ~7800nm. The fuel load needed for the trip plus reserves was 137.8t . At MTOW this leaves 214.3t of ZFW. A typical 77W has a DOW ~ 173t so the payload on the day would have been ~ 40t

Hugh, do you have the same thing for the upgraded version of the A380 or is not enough information available yet?

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-08-13 14:30:51 and read 5009 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 54):
But as a BNE resident I will take one-stop via AKL every time over non-stop or triangle services via Sydney.

If you were making the same trips in Y class, would you also use NZ via AKL with their 10-abreast 77Ws (soon to be extended to their 77Es I believe)?

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2013-08-13 14:45:28 and read 4975 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 56):
Quoting gemuser (Reply 57):
Hugh, do you have the same thing for the upgraded version of the A380 or is not enough information available yet?

Yes enough is known to get very close. How many seats in a QF configuration? I believe QF is presently about 292t DOW , do you have anything on that ?

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-08-13 15:16:50 and read 4877 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 59):
How many seats in a QF configuration?

Currently 14F, 64J, 35W, 371Y (484). I'm pretty sure that it was announced that the F would be eliminated on the second order, which is what we are talking about, but I can't find the release now (have to go teach!). I don't remember an actual new cabin configuration being announced, maybe some one on here saw it? I would guess we are talking in the 520 -540 or so range.

I don't have anything on the DOW, Sorry (my last contact in CASA retired earlier this year).

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-08-13 16:33:56 and read 4761 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 59):
How many seats in a QF configuration?
Quoting gemuser (Reply 60):
Currently 14F, 64J, 35W, 371Y (484).

Are they still running the 450 seat [ 14F | 72C | 32Y+ | 332Y] configuration for the MEL/SYD - LAX/LHR flights? Or are they all now the higher-density configuration?

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-13 17:10:21 and read 4678 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 61):
Or are they all now the higher-density configuration?

They're now all in the higher density configuration. The final mod was finished last month.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 60):
I'm pretty sure that it was announced that the F would be eliminated on the second order, which is what we are talking about, but I can't find the release now (have to go teach!). I don't remember an actual new cabin configuration being announced, maybe some one on here saw it? I would guess we are talking in the 520 -540 or so range.

AFAIK there isn't an "official" position on this (and certainly not any seat maps floating around) but QF have pretty much said that the new frames will be 3 class. This makes sense as the prospective markets for additional A380s are non-F markets.

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2013-08-13 17:30:15 and read 4638 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 60):
I would guess we are talking in the 520 -540 or so range.

A 575t 288t DOW version would haul 61.4t on a 16hr sector; 520 passengers and ~12t of cargo . The volume limited cargo space after baggage is about 15t

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2013-08-14 14:09:39 and read 3921 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 56):
have a copy of a flight plan for a 77W for DFW-SYD. The airways route was 7569nm and the flight time on the day was 16hrs 9 min or an ESAD of ~7800nm. The fuel load needed for the trip plus reserves was 137.8t . At MTOW this leaves 214.3t of ZFW. A typical 77W has a DOW ~ 173t so the payload on the day would have been ~ 40t . AA have their 77W configured for 306-seats which gives a passenger load ~ 30t leaving 10t for cargo. Quite respectable in my view. A 789 would be limited to about max passenger payload or ~27t

Mea culpa. The 77W information is incorrect. In fact the flight plan was done for a 77L. I got looking at it again and the numbers I was getting didn't jive close to the load/range chart so I checked further .
Sorry.....

Topic: RE: Does QF Ever 'make It' Non Stop From DFW-SYD?
Username: jaybayqf
Posted 2013-08-19 01:20:22 and read 2901 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
Now you mention it, I think LAX was a medical divert

Can anyone clarify?



The recent LAX diversions were Medical/Technical, quite often when BNE goes below for Fog, QF8 ends up in Noumea. During winter however with the stronger head winds, flights were reseheduled via AKL

Alot of the 744 tech crew cyclic training of recent times has been approaches into Noumea

jaybayqf


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