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Topic: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-08-14 08:36:32 and read 24678 times.

A little bird told me Allegiant is set to announce Long Island/MacArthur on August 20.

Another New York City area airport and possibly something in the Boston area (remotely) is also on the list.

Let the speculation begin.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-14 08:45:04 and read 24632 times.

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!


:D   

I think I said all that can be said on the matter.  

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: pvd757
Posted 2013-08-14 08:57:36 and read 24512 times.

I like playing the guessing game.

NYC = SWF
BOS = MHT, PSM, or ORH

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-08-14 09:02:39 and read 24458 times.

MacArthur's pretty much a definite. There's a press event being held that morning.

Look for up to 10 new cities that day. Yes, really.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-14 09:06:54 and read 24409 times.

For ISP, I assume 2-3x weekly service to SFB, maybe 2x weekly to PGD. I'm not gonna get my hopes up for MYR.  

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: RL757PVD
Posted 2013-08-14 09:22:34 and read 24292 times.

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Boston area (remotely)

Perhaps CEF?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: B6JFKH81
Posted 2013-08-14 09:26:02 and read 24278 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 4):
For ISP, I assume 2-3x weekly service to SFB, maybe 2x weekly to PGD. I'm not gonna get my hopes up for MYR.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....it would be interesting to see some Mad Dogs at ISP   

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-08-14 09:27:34 and read 24258 times.

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 2):
BOS = MHT, PSM, or ORH

MHT makes sense due to recent history (Allegiant was already at the other two airports and didn't last too long) but I am very surprised by it!

MHT should be focusing on getting some token B6 service or some improved service (a daily MIA perhaps?) from the US/AA merger.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 09:37:24 and read 24150 times.

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 2):
BOS = MHT, PSM, or ORH
G4 tried ORH, and it didn't work - poor loads and package sales. Above-market fuel prices didn't help, either. (Not to mention that B6 now is doing ORH-Florida.) MHT is well-served to Florida by WN, and G4 typically picks cities that WN doesn't serve.

I could see G4 making another run at PSM to SFB for sure and/or PIE/PGD. And I also agree on ISP and reentering SWF, again with at least SFB.

That's three cities out of ten... maybe we'll also see the return or launch of LAS service at cities like TYS, FWA, GSP, ABE, and TOL now that the Airbuses will make long LAS routes viable at high fuel prices? Eastbound LAS expansion has been heavily rumored on here as of late.

[Edited 2013-08-14 09:39:21]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 09:45:12 and read 24096 times.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
Perhaps CEF?

CEF did see service on short-lived SX (Skybus) and has a terminal that was redone for SX, so it can handle pax and the A32x fine. And the main runway is over 11,000 feet, so G4 could use the MD-80 from CEF without problems as well.

Again, it would probably start with SFB service only like most new G4 stations east of the Mississippi. There are exceptions, as SPI started with PGD, but that city pair had a proven track record with Direct Air.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-08-14 10:17:39 and read 23921 times.

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):

A little bird told me Allegiant is set to announce Long Island/MacArthur on August 20.

The question is whether this is as a hub or a spoke...

Quoting stlgph (Reply 3):
MacArthur's pretty much a definite. There's a press event being held that morning.
Look for up to 10 new cities that day. Yes, really.
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 4):
For ISP, I assume 2-3x weekly service to SFB, maybe 2x weekly to PGD. I'm not gonna get my hopes up for MYR.  

I think Mesaflyguy is right. It's a spoke. I don't think ISP is convenient enough to be a gateway for inbound visitors from the usual cadre of G4 spokes. I think it will be sun destinations as well.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-14 10:34:01 and read 23818 times.

I feel like MYR would be the perfect city for either SWF or ISP and also the usual Florida. With airtran now gone i think SWF is more attractive to allegiant.

I really hope its a return to SWF! The port authority should be working hard to get them back.

I could see either airport working for allegiant. I got my fingers crossed its somewhere in the Northeast. A 757 service to LAS i could see happening to either airport. Allegiant seems to be doing well on Plattsburg, NY to LAS service. I think the northeast to Vegas has more potential, i could see with SWF or ISP attracting people on a Vegas fligt with packages less than daily service.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2013-08-14 10:42:08 and read 23771 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
I don't think ISP is convenient enough to be a gateway for inbound visitors from the usual cadre of G4 spokes. I think it will be sun destinations as well.

In theory you could do:

ISP-PGD, ISP-FLL, ISP-SFB, ISP-PIE, ISP-MYR all with MD80's. Granted, I'm not sure if ISP-MYR would work that well and even ISP-PGD would probably only work in high season.

Then use a spare 757 (if Hawaii isn't working so well) to do ISP-IWA, ISP-LAS....maybe even ISP-SAN or ISP-LAX if you want to be real bold.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: azstar
Posted 2013-08-14 10:45:11 and read 23759 times.

FAR airport website says "In one week we'll be announcing another new FAR nonstop destination".
Do you think FAR-ISP is remotely possibly? I didn't think FAR-LAX would last, but it did.

www.fargoairport.com

[Edited 2013-08-14 10:46:20]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2013-08-14 10:46:28 and read 23742 times.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 3):
Look for up to 10 new cities that day. Yes, really.

I don't see anyone really talking about this point. 10 cities!!!!! so that would be..

1. Islip (ISP)
2. NY Area
3. Boston Area
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

What could the other 7 be?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: MtnWest1979
Posted 2013-08-14 11:13:00 and read 23579 times.

How about PHF-LAS n/s? I miss the WN ORF-LAS nonstops they used to offer.

As for new cities; how about 3 above, plus HSV, JAN, CRP, LSE, ERI, YKM, and CKB.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-08-14 11:15:08 and read 23569 times.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):

You want another bone?

10 new cities.
18 routes.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: as739x
Posted 2013-08-14 11:19:16 and read 23506 times.

CAK-LAS is my wishlist route

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 11:19:46 and read 23508 times.

Quoting azstar (Reply 13):
FAR airport website says "In one week we'll be announcing another new FAR nonstop destination".
Do you think FAR-ISP is remotely possibly? I didn't think FAR-LAX would last, but it did.

Looking at the cities that G4 serves from FAR, I'd pick PGD, PIE, or OAK long before ISP.

Come to think of it, FWA's Facebook page has been awfully quiet for over a week. Perhaps they are getting ready, too?

[Edited 2013-08-14 11:22:06]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: venus6971
Posted 2013-08-14 11:28:43 and read 23424 times.

OKC maintenance base and hub since AAR already does its MD-80's with new hanger for Airbus's 320's and 757's?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: kcrwflyer
Posted 2013-08-14 11:36:23 and read 23349 times.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 15):
As for new cities; how about 3 above, plus HSV, JAN, CRP, LSE, ERI, YKM, and CKB.

Those cities are too random for this list to be random.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: B6JFKH81
Posted 2013-08-14 11:38:41 and read 23343 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 12):
ISP-PGD, ISP-FLL, ISP-SFB, ISP-PIE,

A lot of these are pretty much covered by WN who already flies from ISP to MCO, PBI, FLL, RSW, TPA and from what I remember most of these are daily on WN. That's going to be interesting competition....

Quoting azstar (Reply 13):
Do you think FAR-ISP is remotely possibly?

As a resident of Long Island for my entire life (33 years), I would go with "NO" for that.   

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
I don't see anyone really talking about this point. 10 cities!!!!! so that would be..

1. Islip (ISP)
2. NY Area
3. Boston Area

Aren't #1 and #2 the same? ISP and SWF are about the same distance from NYC.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 11:43:25 and read 23314 times.

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
CAK-LAS is my wishlist route

IMHO, expect this on WN soon as they keep converting FL cities to pure WN service.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 15):
As for new cities; how about 3 above, plus HSV, JAN, CRP, LSE, ERI, YKM, and CKB.

G4 served HSV for a while, and it didn't last. The funny thing about HSV is that people keep screaming for an LCC because of the highest-in-the-nation fares, and whenever they get one, they keep driving to BNA, BHM, or MEM.

JAN is dominated by WN, as is CRP. But the latter is one of WN's smallest stations with service to only one city, so CRP-LAS/AZA could work as long as WN doesn't retaliate with CRP-LAS/PHX. And knowing WN's shift from shorthaul, I have a distinct feeling that they would. The other four are good fits for G4.

I'll have to add in the possibility of HUF-SFB, as HUF has wanted pax service back for eons - first to CLE, then BKG. (They even bought a used fire truck from FWA to prepare themselves.) With WN jacking up fares post-FL merger on IND-MCO as of late, I wouldn't be surprised if a G4 HUF-SFB route is a success among people living in the booming west side of Indy and in Champaign/Urbana as well as Terre Haute. And knowing the terminal fees that IND charges to airlines and G4's demands for low airport costs, it will be a cold day in hell before G4 starts scheduled IND service (though I do see IND in NK's future, but not for a few more years).

Quoting venus6971 (Reply 19):

OKC maintenance base and hub since AAR already does its MD-80's with new hanger for Airbus's 320's and 757's?

OKC isn't a G4 destination by any stretch of the imagination, but I could see them trying LAS (again) and AZA with planes RONing for MX. I could also see G4 setting up a small pilot/FA base like the one they had at GRR for a while.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: sacampb
Posted 2013-08-14 11:52:11 and read 23218 times.

Supposedly they will be adding route(s) to AZA. They just canceled the Hawaii route but I was talking to MX and they said the 757 would be back shortly but wouldn't tell me the destination. A rumor is that will the new A320's which will all be based out of Florida bases is that there will be a Florida-AZA route. They currently have a A319 which will be transferred to AZA once they recieve their A320's so that also opens up possible more Northeast routes but I'm not positive on how many people want to vacation in Arizona from the Northeast.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2013-08-14 11:53:41 and read 23216 times.

Ive heard that CHO should be announced very soon, so perhaps its one of the 10!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ridgid727
Posted 2013-08-14 12:07:28 and read 23425 times.

There is talk in CoeurdAlene ID, that they will be getting jet flights to LAS and PHX. I have seen nothing about it, but I would assume we can expect an announcement soon.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: kcrwflyer
Posted 2013-08-14 12:07:33 and read 23442 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 22):
IMHO, expect this on WN soon as they keep converting FL cities to pure WN service.

They couldn't make MDW work and they'd have to consider how adding LAS would affect DEN.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 24):
Ive heard that CHO should be announced very soon, so perhaps its one of the 10!

Better send an Airbus to that runway. If they're interested in CHO, I wonder if SHD could be in the mix.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-14 12:46:12 and read 23501 times.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 21):
Aren't #1 and #2 the same? ISP and SWF are about the same distance from NYC.

Yeah but they serve just totally different markets. SWF can serve northern NJ (Bergen, Sussex) ,Eastern Conn, and southern NY state. ISP really makes the most sense to LI but theres alot of people out there.

[Edited 2013-08-14 13:39:49]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: dsuairptman
Posted 2013-08-14 12:47:36 and read 23535 times.

I think PBG-BLI on a 757 would work to G4 advantage, connect YQL with YVR on the American side of the border and lower fares/taxes for pax.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: Joeljack
Posted 2013-08-14 12:50:39 and read 23471 times.

I know I am bias towards OMA but with lack of nonstop service to Florida and considering the market size, it seems like several Florida destinations from OMA could work. Right now, OMA sees MCO service on a DL CR7 on Saturday's only and some limited OMA-MCO service on Frontier in the winter months, 2 days a week at best for just a couple of months.

For comparison, the DSM airport is about half the size of OMA in passengers and it supports service to 3 Florida cities on Allegiant and DSM-SFB almost daily during high season times.

Just thinking outside the box but with the addition of LIT to SFB, it could be becoming plausible.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: B6JFKH81
Posted 2013-08-14 12:56:25 and read 23329 times.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 27):
Yeah but they serve just totally different markets. SWF can serve northern NJ Bergen, Sussex and Eastern Conn, and southern NY state. ISP really makes the most sense to LI but theres alot of people out there.

Understood (and believe me, I know SWF needs some stimulation), but I am questioning the theory of the "NYC Area" thing. If they are planning on opening 1 "NYC Area" destination, and there is this much scuttlebutt about ISP, then ISP would be the "NY Area" airport, no? Even WN tried to sell ISP as their airport for NYC. Now if something said ISP *AND* a "NY Area" airport, that would be different.

STLGPH, can you clarify if the rumor was ISP *AND* a "NYC Area" addition, or did it sound like ISP was the "NYC Area" addition? I may be mis-reading this rumor here. Thanks!

~H81

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: spinkid
Posted 2013-08-14 13:26:35 and read 22848 times.

Allegiant tried SWF before to the florida markets and I think they failed for the same reason the Massachusetts markets failed. People in the Northeast usually have 2nd homes or tons of friends and family in Florida, so they don't buy packages. They are also used to booking thing separately. They are usually just looking for airfare.

I'd LOVE to see them come back. Perhaps with more service to the west coast. People would buy packages to Vegas for sure.

I can see them trying to make NYC the destination though and linking it with some of their midwest markets. It could be SWF or ISP for that reason. If they did connecting bus service the way Ryanair does to its remote airports in Europe I'm pretty certain they could make that work.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-08-14 13:37:47 and read 22674 times.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 30):

Two airports within a driving distance to the New York City market.

One for Boston.

Media invites are being sent out today and tomorrow to airports who will be announcing service, so in the coming days, there'll be the usual "such and such airport says on facebook they'll be announcing a new service."

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 13:40:57 and read 22584 times.

Quoting spinkid (Reply 31):
If they did connecting bus service the way Ryanair does to its remote airports in Europe I'm pretty certain they could make that work.

G4 already offers hotel shuttles as an option for transfers in addition to the normal Alamo car rentals if you're headed to LAS, PIE, or SFB. So it's not a new concept for them.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 30):
STLGPH, can you clarify if the rumor was ISP *AND* a "NYC Area" addition, or did it sound like ISP was the "NYC Area" addition? I may be mis-reading this rumor here. Thanks!

From what I could read, it looked like 2 NYC area airports: ISP for sure and another, unknown NYC area airport (probably SWF).

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-14 13:50:30 and read 22405 times.

I really do think there is an opportunity for more North-East to LAS service. Either ISP or SWF would get people to buy packages and wouldn't need to be daily. The packages are where allegiant makes their real money and i bet people would on that route.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-14 13:58:46 and read 22253 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 12):

I like the way you think! Unfortunately I don't think we'll be seeing 757s into ISP anytime soo. (if at all)   I could possibly see Vegas getting brought in down the line with a319s

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-08-14 14:08:35 and read 22123 times.

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 25):
There is talk in CoeurdAlene ID, that they will be getting jet flights to LAS and PHX. I have seen nothing about it, but I would assume we can expect an announcement soon.

Really, when G4 serves GEG (granted only from HNL) but also FCA and MSO, I guess we'll see if true, just seems odd.   

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: THEFLLFLYER
Posted 2013-08-14 14:08:39 and read 22105 times.

Jeez...first a huge expansion out of PGD and now this...where is the a/c coming from??

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ZWTwinOtter
Posted 2013-08-14 14:20:49 and read 21952 times.

Don't forget PWM. Strong and underserved to Florida.... counts as Boston area.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 14:27:25 and read 21910 times.

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 37):
Jeez...first a huge expansion out of PGD and now this...where is the a/c coming from??
G4 plans to add several more A319s (ex-U2 with dual overwing exits; 156 pax) and A320s (ex-IB; 177 pax) by the end of the year, all with CFM56 engines. Most of the Airbuses that G4 is buying will be in service by year-end, with additional planes arriving in early 2014. 4 MD-80s will be retired, but there will be more Airbus deliveries than Mad Dog retirements for now at G4. But G4 management has hinted that MD-80 retirements will accelerate once the A32xNEO enters service and A32xCEO prices plummet.

IIRC, the A320s will be based exclusively at Florida bases (especially SFB where the extra 17 seats over the MD-80 are needed most), while the A319s will do longer LAS/AZA routes that are too thin for a 757.

[Edited 2013-08-14 14:51:55]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: IllinoisMan
Posted 2013-08-14 14:33:13 and read 21779 times.

I'd be all for a resumption of service at GYY or new service at TTN. Should help keep fares in those areas quite low.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 14:42:37 and read 21675 times.

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 40):

I'd be all for a resumption of service at GYY or new service at TTN. Should help keep fares in those areas quite low.
G4 left GYY only last month. However, they have said that they may return when the runway expansion is done with routes other than SFB (the runway expansion will make routes like LAS and AZA feasible).

G4 actually wanted to start GYY with LAS in the first place, but had to choose SFB because the MD-80 would overshoot the runway and nearby railroad tracks in its current form.

[Edited 2013-08-14 14:48:11]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2013-08-14 15:10:35 and read 21308 times.

Allegiant has been coming in and out of ISP for awhile now, although its been sometime since I last saw them... US Airways express works their flights here. It would be neat if they came in with the Airbuses that they just bought..

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 15:14:45 and read 21244 times.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 42):

Allegiant has been coming in and out of ISP for awhile now, although its been sometime since I last saw them... US Airways express works their flights here.

G4 does charters (casino and otherwise) at many airports that don't receive G4 scheduled service, big and small.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: airguardtn
Posted 2013-08-14 15:21:18 and read 21180 times.

I think that MEM maybe added. The MEM Airport Authority had a called meeting last week to amend their incentive program to allow for flights to a new destination from a minimum of 6 times a week to 4 times weekly.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2013-08-14 15:25:35 and read 21129 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 22):
JAN is dominated by WN, as is CRP.
WN has lost market share at JAN and is now the #2 carrier there, and is only flying to MCO once daily. I could see G4 making that work to SFB. And G4 has shown in a couple of cases a tendency not to run from WN recently.

[Edited 2013-08-14 15:26:16]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: freakyrat
Posted 2013-08-14 16:01:53 and read 20673 times.

Looks like maybe SBN could possibly get their NYC service?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: B6JFKH81
Posted 2013-08-14 16:13:45 and read 20547 times.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 32):
Two airports within a driving distance to the New York City market.

Copy that, thanks for the clarification! Hmmmmm....so maybe a comeback to SWF after all. Interesting.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2013-08-14 17:50:05 and read 19610 times.

Given that so much of G4's revenue model depends upon travel packages of rooms, tickets, and ancillary services, I think it's highly doubtful they will establish an inbound hub at ISP.

[Edited 2013-08-14 17:50:30]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ABQopsHP
Posted 2013-08-14 18:08:51 and read 19401 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 22):
so CRP-LAS/AZA could work as long as WN doesn't retaliate with CRP-LAS/PHX.

G4 was doing charters to IFP from CRP up until recently when the company booking the flights, switched to F9 (Republic E190s). For some reason CRP cannot generate the traffic to support any flights to destinations other than the 2 Texas HUB cities. DFW/IAH/HOU. WN has not had n/s to DAL or AUS in 30 years. They tried last winter to run a CRP-HOU-LAS flight thinking (LAS being their No. 1 cnx city from CRP) that it would be a big hit. It lasted a very short time. Other carriers tried to run flights to cities other than the DFW metro or HOU metro area. EA years ago had service to SAT and MSY. DL/ASA had n/s to ATL in the 90s up till 2008. And the old UA had service CRP-AUS-DEN. That didnt last either. So I have doubts that G4 will come in here with sched service n/s to AZA/LAS or some other location. I would love to be proven wrong.

JD CRP

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ItalianFlyer
Posted 2013-08-14 18:13:34 and read 19376 times.

Quoting ZWTwinOtter (Reply 38):
Don't forget PWM. Strong and underserved to Florida.... counts as Boston area.

I agree that PWM is a good candidate for new service; but saying PWM is the 'Boston area' is like calling GRR 'Greater Detroit'  

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YQBexYHZbgm
Posted 2013-08-14 18:48:05 and read 19039 times.

ILG Wilmington, Delaware or TTN Trenton, NJ
ISP Islip-MacArthur, NY
HPN Westchester Co., NY or SWF Stewart Airport, NY
BGM Binghamton, NY
ART Watertown, NY
HVN Tweed-New Haven, Conn.
AZO Kalamazoo, Mich.
KSAW Marquette, Mich.
CIU Chippewa County / Sault Ste Marie, Mich.
SBY Salisbury, Md.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: a321us
Posted 2013-08-14 19:02:16 and read 18906 times.

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/in...-commercial-airport-for-charlotte/

There is a rumor that Allegiant is apparently trying to get into the CLT market, albeit going out of JQF (Concord Regional - about 15 mi NE of Charlotte). I just don't think it'd be in the "ready to announce" stage yet...

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2013-08-14 19:11:54 and read 18790 times.

Quoting YQBexYHZbgm (Reply 51):
SBY Salisbury, Md.

Since G4 ended it's service at SBY after less than a year at the start of 2013, it seems unlikely they'll try again so soon.

Quoting a321us (Reply 52):
There is a rumor that Allegiant is apparently trying to get into the CLT market, albeit going out of JQF (Concord Regional - about 15 mi NE of Charlotte). I just don't think it'd be in the "ready to announce" stage yet...

The airport has applied for SCASD grant funding to attract this service, as mentioned in another thread:

2013 DOT Small Community Air Service Grants (by LAXintl Jul 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-14 19:27:15 and read 18618 times.

Quoting YQBexYHZbgm (Reply 51):
AZO Kalamazoo, Mich.

Would require an Airbus with the short runway. AZO did well for Direct Air, and I could see G4 eventually serving the airport.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: airbusaddict
Posted 2013-08-14 19:38:14 and read 18518 times.

FSD officials making an announcement on the 20th regarding G4.

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...giant-offer-new-Sioux-Falls-flight

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-08-14 20:00:18 and read 18257 times.

Quoting a321us (Reply 52):
There is a rumor that Allegiant is apparently trying to get into the CLT market, albeit going out of JQF (Concord Regional - about 15 mi NE of Charlotte). I just don't think it'd be in the "ready to announce" stage yet...

Not trying to change the subject of this thread at all, but I saw this the other day and was intrigued. JQF is closer to some areas of Charlotte than CLT, and I think it definitely has a shot. JQF is also only 10 minutes away from University City (home to UNC Charlotte), perfect for those budget minded college students. JQF is also closer to Charlotte's northern suburbs on Lake Norman (Huntersville, Davidson, Cornelius, Mooresville). From where I live in Mooresville when I am not at UNC Charlotte, JQF would save me about 10 miles of driving.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-14 20:14:12 and read 18162 times.

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
CAK-LAS is my wishlist route

Keep wishing my friend. YNG has grown to 4 destinations with Allegiant and they just now believe they are 12-18 months away, per media reports, of getting LAS.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-14 21:10:51 and read 17650 times.

Quoting airguardtn (Reply 44):
I think that MEM maybe added. The MEM Airport Authority had a called meeting last week to amend their incentive program to allow for flights to a new destination from a minimum of 6 times a week to 4 times weekly.

Interesting. At a minimum they probably do see the reality that this is this type of service is the most likely to open a new destination or destinations and also offer low fares. The less than daily revolution is happening and its good for them to see this especially at an airport like MEM. Airports like MCI, PIT, CVG, and IND might need to start thinking more like this. Its good for them to be living less in the past and more to accept the future and best ways to expand.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: boeing71234567
Posted 2013-08-14 22:40:17 and read 17120 times.

What about Hartford, BDL?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: RL757PVD
Posted 2013-08-15 06:21:18 and read 15329 times.

Quoting boeing71234567 (Reply 59):
What about Hartford, BDL?

BDL has WN and B6 competing on every Florida route, it makes more sense for a place like CEF (Springfield MA) that would take them with open arms plus no competition and right off the mass pike. CEF and PSM would be too good additions to New England for G4.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2013-08-15 06:21:18 and read 15324 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 56):
From where I live in Mooresville when I am not at UNC Charlotte, JQF would save me about 10 miles of driving.

  

JQF's time was really 10 years ago, though, when the drive time difference from places like Mooresville was more like 30 minutes and before CLT put in gobs of cheap, convenient parking.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: southsky
Posted 2013-08-15 08:02:45 and read 14552 times.

It sure would be nice to get some G4 service in MOB. Perhaps to LAS...

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: as739x
Posted 2013-08-15 09:59:43 and read 14054 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 57):

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
CAK-LAS is my wishlist route

Keep wishing my friend. YNG has grown to 4 destinations with Allegiant and they just now believe they are 12-18 months away, per media reports, of getting LAS.

Yeah I know. YNG is the G4 baby of NE ohio.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 10:21:00 and read 13989 times.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 58):
Airports like MCI, PIT, CVG, and IND might need to start thinking more like this. Its good for them to be living less in the past and more to accept the future and best ways to expand.

MCI is too dominated by WN to make G4 work. And history is not kind to airlines that attempt to compete against WN at MCI - just ask NJ and (more recently) YX/F9. Even if it were to LAS, AZA, and SFB to start, WN already flies a smorgasbord of flights to LAS, PHX, and MCO from MCI.

G4, or any ULCC, could easily make PIT work given the general lack of service there since the US dehubbing. But PIT management would have to give G4 or other ULCCs a really good incentive package to start service given the airport's high fees.

The original problem with CVG is that all incentives given to new carriers also need to be offered to DL as part of the deal that brought the DL hub to CVG in the 1970s. But F9 moved from DAY to CVG recently without DL taking the money first, and DL is happy with their current CVG flight levels and profitability, so I don't see DL trying to block G4, WN, NK, VX, or any other airline interested in CVG.

IND management has publicly stated that they are more focused on retaining or expanding service from existing carriers (especially since WN cut IND-MDW) than getting new airlines. That said, I don't think IND's rent and fee structure (among the highest for pax airlines in the Midwest) would be attractive to cost-conscious G4. If G4 wants to serve the IND area, they will do it through bringing service back to LAF, HUF, or BMG.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: Joeljack
Posted 2013-08-15 10:29:31 and read 13965 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 64):
MCI is too dominated by WN to make G4 work. And history is not kind to airlines that attempt to compete against WN at MCI - just ask NJ and (more recently) YX/F9. Even if it were to LAS, AZA, and SFB to start, WN already flies a smorgasbord of flights to LAS, PHX, and MCO from MCI.

So out of curiosity, WN is just as big in AUS as it is in MCI and Allegiant just started AUS-LAS. What is the difference between AUS and MCI?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 10:36:48 and read 13929 times.

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 65):
So out of curiosity, WN is just as big in AUS as it is in MCI and Allegiant just started AUS-LAS. What is the difference between AUS and MCI?

1) I didn't know that G4 is opening AUS. When does that start?

2) AUS has more carrier diversity than MCI. Unlike AUS, MCI lacks B6, VX, and the Mexican LCCs, and the legacies (AA and UA in particular) have a stronger presence in AUS than they do in MCI.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: SaabFA71
Posted 2013-08-15 10:46:50 and read 13885 times.

How about LNS and RDG? No pure airline service there. Maybe have 2-3x weekly flights to SFB, PIE, or FLL. The terminal at LNS isn't quite set up to handle 100 or so pax, but I could see that service working if it's marketed right. Or start service to LAS and/or MYR from MDT to augment G4's presence there since they already have SFB and PIE flights.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: dsuairptman
Posted 2013-08-15 10:54:51 and read 13852 times.

Quoting southsky (Reply 62):



Won't happen. They tried LAS-GPT a few years ago and had to withdraw becasue the route was pretty much beyond the max resonable capablitlites of the MD-80, which is all that will be based in LAS, along with the 757 for the forseeble future.

Now if the the MOB market could prove viability for some of the FL markets vs. driving, then their might be an oppurtunity.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 11:01:41 and read 13808 times.

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 68):
the MD-80, which is all that will be based in LAS, along with the 757 for the forseeble future.

I thought the A319s were going to be based at both LAS and AZA for longer routes and that the A320s will strictly be used at SFB and maybe PGD at first?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: flyjoe
Posted 2013-08-15 11:16:42 and read 13755 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 61):

JQF's time was really 10 years ago, though, when the drive time difference from places like Mooresville was more like 30 minutes and before CLT put in gobs of cheap, convenient parking.


Absolutely not..10 years ago, Concord was handling Saab 2000 and ERJ traffic. Since then, JQF has done runway improvements and lengthening and now we have four to six 7373s a week to support NASCAR flights. The biggest problem with JQF is the lack of terminal facilities and parking, the current ermines is not set up to support scheduled flights without a major renovation? We would likely see a trailer like terminal somewhere else on the property.

While I would enjoy watching more commercial flights flying around from my home in Concord, I have a hard time seeing these flights operate or last long if they do. The biggest challenge is CLT. It's not like a PIT/LBE setup where Spirit has thrived. Yes US has a mega hub, but it's not like there aren't options to the potential destinations of SFB, PIE, LAS.

Here's a link to the story on the local news today.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/loca...start-scheduled-air-service/nZPT2/

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 12:19:36 and read 13578 times.

Quoting flyjoe (Reply 70):
Absolutely not..10 years ago, Concord was handling Saab 2000 and ERJ traffic.

I didn't know that there were US operators of the SAAB 2000, even though the SAAB 340 sold extremely well here. Who were they?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-15 12:25:39 and read 13544 times.

Quoting boeing71234567 (Reply 59):
What about Hartford, BDL?

Too much service to Florida i think. There have to be better options out there.


The 319s will definitely open more possibilities for longer thinner routes to LAS or AZA. I would think the northeast to LAS is a market where they really should have some options even if the area is pretty well saturated to Florida.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: sacampb
Posted 2013-08-15 13:00:04 and read 13466 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 69):
I thought the A319s were going to be based at both LAS and AZA for longer routes and that the A320s will strictly be used at SFB and maybe PGD at first?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

A319s will be based at AZA and A320s will be based out of Florida. For the A320s I believe the plan is to split them between the bases.

AZA was chosen as the Airbus launch point as most MX personnel at AZA have the most experience with A319s/A320s.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: deltairlines
Posted 2013-08-15 13:03:46 and read 13461 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 71):
I didn't know that there were US operators of the SAAB 2000, even though the SAAB 340 sold extremely well here. Who were they?

At least one NASCAR team (and there may be more) have SAAB 2000s as part of their fleet - I saw one parked at the Corporate Aviation ramp here in ATL maybe a month or so ago.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: flyjoe
Posted 2013-08-15 13:12:02 and read 13416 times.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 74):

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 71):
I didn't know that there were US operators of the SAAB 2000, even though the SAAB 340 sold extremely well here. Who were they?

At least one NASCAR team (and there may be more) have SAAB 2000s as part of their fleet - I saw one parked at the Corporate Aviation ramp here in ATL maybe a month or so ago.
___________________________________________

The Saabs are operated by Hendricks Motorsports and Joe Gibbs Racing. I think there are about five based there. If you look at the KJQFactivity page on Flight Aware, you can see some of the movements for today and images on the aircraft registration.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-08-15 15:05:24 and read 13242 times.

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 25):
There is talk in CoeurdAlene ID, that they will be getting jet flights to LAS and PHX. I have seen nothing about it, but I would assume we can expect an announcement soon.

I'd be very surprised. GEG is so close and not exactly a hard airport to work with I'd imagine. Having said that, I'd happily drive out to CDA when in teh area to watch an MD land in the middle of the valley there.

-Dave

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 16:06:50 and read 13180 times.

A lot of new cities rumored on here.

So far, we have talked about these seven cities as the most likely:
-ISP (semi-confirmed)
-Another NYC area airport (SWF?)
-A Boston-area airport (CEF?)
-JQF (it was on the CLT area news)
-MEM (emergency board meeting makes you wonder)
-CHO (would need to be served with an Airbus)
-COE

And expanded service from these two existing G4 stations:
-FAR
-FSD

No matter how you slice it, Tuesday will be interesting...

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 16:45:28 and read 13082 times.

Now G4 is confirming "big news" for next Tuesday on their Facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb....156118.53960272605&type=1&theater

Let the teasers on Facebook pages from airports that will be part of the announcement begin...

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: azstar
Posted 2013-08-15 16:54:44 and read 13026 times.

My guess is FAR-OAK & FSD-OAK

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-15 16:56:26 and read 13027 times.

ISP and SWF are locks I am told. As to the other airports, I have no idea. ERI seems a logical future city for Allegiant, but I am unaware if they extended their runway as was required for them to get service with Allegiant.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2013-08-15 16:58:13 and read 12991 times.

My personal wish would be for EWN (New Bern, NC) to Orlando 1 or 2 weekly... Maybe another destination up north to EWN...

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 17:17:32 and read 12961 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 80):
ERI seems a logical future city for Allegiant, but I am unaware if they extended their runway as was required for them to get service with Allegiant.

G4 has operated the MD-80 to airports with similar runway lengths to ERI's 7,500 ft, but I bet they would use an Airbus should they launch ERI-Florida.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: freakyrat
Posted 2013-08-15 17:49:05 and read 12932 times.

This isn't rumor this is fact: Here it is the first use of the A319 on tonights flight 126 from Phoenix Mesa arriving at gate A9 in South Bend, Indiana

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-15 18:03:51 and read 12863 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 82):
G4 has operated the MD-80 to airports with similar runway lengths to ERI's 7,500 ft, but I bet they would use an Airbus should they launch ERI-Florida.

I made mention to that because of this study on Erie's Airport website:
http://www.erieairport.org/assets/pd...n%20Analysis%20Final%209-18-07.pdf

"As the attached letter (Exhibit 2) indicates, there is significant interest on the part of Allegiant to serve Erie, but only if the runway is extended to over 7,000 feet. The lengthened runway would allow Erie to actively seek service from Allegiant Air, which serves three major leisure destinations – Orlando, Las Vegas and Tampa. The company operates MD-80 aircraft, and as noted in the letter, the current runway is simply not long enough to accommodate this aircraft type. "

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: N801NW
Posted 2013-08-15 18:17:04 and read 12852 times.

Quote:
Passenger air service will return to Pease

PORTSMOUTH — Scheduled air service is returning to the Portsmouth International Airport at Pease, officials announced Thursday.

Details of the new commercial flight service are expected to be released Tuesday, Aug. 20 at a special announcement event scheduled for 9 a.m. at the local air terminal. A representative from the yet-to-be named airline will be on hand along with officials from the Pease Development Authority.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20130815-NEWS-130819882



Looks like it's G4 to PSM.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: KarlB737
Posted 2013-08-15 18:17:59 and read 12860 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 80):
I am unaware if they extended their runway as was required for them to get service with Allegiant.

Courtesy: GoErie.com

Erie International Airport Opens Extended Runway

http://www.goerie.com/article/201211...onal-Airport-opens-extended-runway


ERI - Airport Diagram - Runway 6-24 - 8420ft.

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1308/00139AD.PDF

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-15 18:58:12 and read 12779 times.

Add St. Cloud, MN to the list:
http://www.aviationpros.com/news/111...t-second-air-service-officials-say

Quote:
The Greater St. Cloud Development Corp. plans to announce Tuesday new service to a leisure destination from St. Cloud Regional Airport.

So it sounds like an expansion to a destination out west, and then a major expansion in the northeast into ISP, SWH, and PSM.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 19:04:58 and read 12753 times.

Quoting N801NW (Reply 85):
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20130815-NEWS-130819882



Looks like it's G4 to PSM.

I guess we know about new or expanded G4 service from these cities for sure now:
-PSM
-FAR
-SWF
-FSD
-ISP
-STC

2 all-new cities, 2 resumptions, and 2 expansions. So far, so good.

And while not confirmed, we could see G4 announcements at these cities as well:
-MEM
-JQF
-CHO
-COE

If those are true, it would bring the total to 6 all-new cities (8 when resumed cities are factored in) for G4. And given that the rumor is 10 all-new or resumed cities, I have a feeling that come tomorrow morning, we'll know more airports that are planning press conferences on 8/20.

[Edited 2013-08-15 19:09:14]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-08-15 19:05:15 and read 12721 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 87):
PSM

If its PSM-PIE I would be interested in giving G4 a shot.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 19:07:37 and read 12740 times.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 89):
If its PSM-PIE I would be interested in giving G4 a shot.

95% of the time, G4 launches cities east of the Mississippi with SFB first and then adds PIE and/or PGD if SFB is successful, so I would expect PSM to be no different.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-15 19:13:57 and read 12701 times.

I am excited to see what is next!!!! Allegiant is such a well run airline.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-15 19:32:23 and read 12670 times.

The more I think about it, the more I think this image has a hidden message:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb....156118.53960272605&type=1&theater

There are a bunch of question marks, but they match up well with not just confirmed and rumored cities, but existing cities in G4's network. Here's what I could come up with from the map.

Semi-confirmed origin cities with question marks:
-ISP/SWF
-PSM
-FAR
-FSD
-STC

Rumored new origin cities with question marks:
-MEM
-JQF
-COE

Mystery new origin cities not rumored on a.net:
-BTR
-Southern Georgia

Existing G4 origin cities not rumored on a.net:
-BLI
-BGR
-FWA
-BZN
-ICT
-PHF
-FAT
-OGD or PVU
-BOI
-AUS

Existing G4 destination cities:
-AZA
-LAS
-SFB

[Edited 2013-08-15 19:52:10]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-08-15 19:58:58 and read 12593 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 92):
The more I think about it, the more I think this image has a hidden message:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...eater

Allegiant in the past has liked word play in these teasers. Notice that the word "Big" is highlighted. That could be a reference to the "Big Apple".

Of course that doesn't cover all the announcements that might be expected for next week but does follow the style of some previous teasers.

G4 has talked about New York area service for years. They bid on LGA slots a few years ago but lost. Even back in 2008 they were showing this slide in presentations that listed New York City as a future destination city. It is the last of the US destination cities on the slide left.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...10465908071682/g287341mm05i008.gif

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: jetpixx
Posted 2013-08-15 20:38:57 and read 12450 times.

I want RDU service...but doubt that's in the cards 

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2013-08-15 21:14:04 and read 12423 times.

Quoting N801NW (Reply 85):
Looks like it's G4 to PSM.

Interesting timing with the Maine tourism season wrapping up for the season. Maine rolls up there sidewalks the Tuesday after Labor Day. Sure there will be a few maniacs flying south. but it seems G4 would inaugurate this service in April or May to grab service both ways

There was some scuttlebutt F9 was also considering PSM.

With F9 terminating its SBN-DEN service next month I was tossing around the idea of SBN-COS or COS-SFB http://www2.allegiantair.com/interactive-routemap COS is a significant military community.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: MSYtristar
Posted 2013-08-16 04:45:24 and read 12127 times.

I doubt we'll see BTR. IIRC, they announced BTR in the past but left before they started because advanced bookings were poor. Along the same lines, MSY would be a great add, but probably not as a destination city because the local tourism industry doesn't want to play ball. I could see MSY being added along the same lines as AUS...a spoke from LAS. I guess we'll see.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-16 05:34:51 and read 12020 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 93):
Even back in 2008 they were showing this slide in presentations that listed New York City as a future destination city. It is the last of the US destination cities on the slide left.

Actually, SAV isn't currently served by G4, though it was for a while as an origin city (I think it was to FLL, IIRC).

But LAX, OAK, SAN, MYR, and PGD are on the G4 route map today.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: RL757PVD
Posted 2013-08-16 05:43:22 and read 11995 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 98):
But LAX, OAK, SAN, MYR, and PGD are on the G4 route map today.

Actually the interactive routemap does not have SAN at all....

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-16 06:18:42 and read 11953 times.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 99):
Actually the interactive routemap does not have SAN at all....

Interesting. Either SAN is now seasonal or G4 is leaving SAN completely.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-08-16 06:50:08 and read 11910 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 100):
Interesting. Either SAN is now seasonal or G4 is leaving SAN completely

I notice, EUG-HNL is gone as well, meaning G4 is doing clean up on seasonal routes (that are currently not being offered) off their map, or they are eliminating some things to accommodate new routes. Not that G4 has high utilization with their fleet.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-16 09:25:37 and read 11742 times.

Add FWA to the list of airports with an announcement on Tuesday: http://www.jg.net/article/20130816/BLOGS01/130819633

Press conference is set for 11 AM that day in front of the Allen County Courthouse lawn downtown, and it will be open to the public. (Good setting, too, as it will be sunny and in the mid 80s.) In addition to FWA executives, Mayor Tom Henry will be there; IIRC, the last time he attended an FWA press conference was when MSP was announced. It could be something big because of Mayor Henry's appearance, but his office at Citizens Square (our name for city hall) is just across the street from the Courthouse, making it easy for him to attend no matter. Expect an announcement on the FWA Facebook page soon as well.

Now, for my prediction: FWA is currently served by G4 to PGD, PIE, and SFB, along with seasonal MYR service. The only feasible options left are LAS, AZA, and FLL, but I'm leaning toward LAS on an A319 or 757 for these reasons:
-people have been screaming for G4 to relaunch the service since the day they announced the discontinuation
-after the successful launch of FWA-PGD, Florida is pretty much covered from FWA to the cities that locals go to
-market dynamics have dramatically changed since G4 ended the route; G4 cited the fare war on IND-LAS as a reason for leaving the first time, and IND-LAS has since gone from 3 airlines 5x daily total (NW, FL, WN) with cheaper-than-dirt fares to just WN 2x daily at premium fares
-the fact that the mayor will be there, and he usually reserves his appearance for either big things in the community or downtown redevelopment projects (I've met Mayor Henry twice, at a group induction ceremony and at a building dedication downtown - smart man)
-AZA was pulled due to poor ancillary revenue/package sales, while LAS was pulled because of weaker yields due to the IND fare war; G4 likes returning to markets with better yield potential after the competitive mix changes, but not markets with poor ancillary revenue
-LAX and OAK would be stretching the MD-80's limits, not to mention that no Airbuses are based there like they are at AZA, SFB, and soon PGD and LAS (but I could see a twice-weekly FWA-LAX in the future once Airbuses are based there)

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-08-16 10:54:46 and read 11588 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 98):
Actually, SAV isn't currently served by G4, though it was for a while as an origin city (I think it was to FLL, IIRC).

I should have specified my wording as the only one left that has not been started since that slide was produced in 2008. We could also specify by saying that NYC was already tried when Allegiant was at SWF before 2007 since it is run by PANYNJ.

But in terms of cities on the 2008 slide, the New York area is the only US city not started since then.

It has always been a good reference slide about some of their longer term thinking though. Hawaii and now SJD (pending start) have also been added. So we can also watch to see what happens about CUN, NAS, etc over the next few years.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 101):
I notice, EUG-HNL is gone as well, meaning G4 is doing clean up on seasonal routes (that are currently not being offered) off their map,

Probably seasonal cleanup. I've watched seasonal routes come and go and then return again on that map over the years.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: sacampb
Posted 2013-08-16 12:43:36 and read 11437 times.

Supposedly AZA will be getting service to PBG and PGD. That is the rumor MX told me.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: flyinryan99
Posted 2013-08-16 13:00:02 and read 11388 times.

I have it on good authority TOL will not be a part of this party.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: kstateinALB
Posted 2013-08-16 13:27:04 and read 11334 times.

MHK is having a press conference Tuesday for expanded air service. That would be the question mark in the state of Kansas on the Allegiant page. Way to go MHK!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: THEFLLFLYER
Posted 2013-08-16 15:06:40 and read 11191 times.

Quoting sacampb (Reply 104):
Supposedly AZA will be getting service to PBG

This does not suprise me at all. PBG is one of the best performing stations for G4 and the Canadians LOVE them for the low the fares.

Quoting sacampb (Reply 104):
and PGD

Hmmm.....this one doesn't quite add up. I this route just doesn't fit the G4 profile. Why go from one vacation destination to another? Also is this going to be done with a 319? Because IIRC PGD's runway isn't long enough for the 757.

Quoting kstateinALB (Reply 106):

MHK is having a press conference Tuesday for expanded air service. That would be the question mark in the state of Kansas on the Allegiant page. Way to go MHK!

Grrr...when the city is smack dab in the middle of the U.S. you never know if we are going to get service to LAS or SFB. But way to go MHK.

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 105):
I have it on good authority TOL will not be a part of this party.

You're probably. They already have service to PIE, PGD and SFB. Very generous considering TOL's circumstances.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: sacampb
Posted 2013-08-16 15:30:44 and read 11140 times.

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 107):
Hmmm.....this one doesn't quite add up. I this route just doesn't fit the G4 profile. Why go from one vacation destination to another? Also is this going to be done with a 319? Because IIRC PGD's runway isn't long enough for the 757.

AZA has LAS and OAK which are both other vacation destinations. So it definitely fits G4's profile of making money.
Most likely a A320 as they will be based in Florida.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-16 15:39:12 and read 11133 times.

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 105):
I have it on good authority TOL will not be a part of this party.

That said, how's G4 doing on TOL-PGD? I know that FWA-PGD is doing great, but TOL has a longer track record with PGD service, as it was a strong route for Direct Air. I wouldn't be surprised if it's doing just as good as FWA's service.

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 107):
Also is this going to be done with a 319? Because IIRC PGD's runway isn't long enough for the 757.

PGD's runway is 7,193 feet long, and airlines often use 757s out of SNA with a much shorter 5,701 ft main runway to places like ORD and ATL. A 757 can fly from PGD just fine.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2013-08-16 15:55:41 and read 11103 times.

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 107):
You're probably. They already have service to PIE, PGD and SFB. Very generous considering TOL's circumstances.

Not really generous. That market up there can support a significantly higher amount of service, the problem with them is that competing against a large hub you have to wage war on both the frequency/nonstop front but as well as the price front. If Spirit dumped DTW you would probably see a positive impact to TOL, LAN, and FNT.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 109):
That said, how's G4 doing on TOL-PGD? I know that FWA-PGD is doing great, but TOL has a longer track record with PGD service, as it was a strong route for Direct Air. I wouldn't be surprised if it's doing just as good as FWA's service.

Everything I've read about them up there is that they are averaging 93% full for the summer. They are up 56% for last month, so I would imagine doing extremely well.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: dsuairptman
Posted 2013-08-16 19:31:21 and read 10849 times.

If the ? On the map mean something I would say AEX, PAE and SAT are being announced.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: jay767
Posted 2013-08-17 08:18:23 and read 10555 times.

Well, I guess the speculation ends here. PSM it is.
http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/com...858/21508642/-/fxudyh/-/index.html

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: Flytravel
Posted 2013-08-17 08:52:16 and read 10466 times.

Quoting SaabFA71 (Reply 67):
How about LNS and RDG? No pure airline service there. Maybe have 2-3x weekly flights to SFB, PIE, or FLL. The terminal at LNS isn't quite set up to handle 100 or so pax, but I could see that service working if it's marketed right. Or start service to LAS and/or MYR from MDT to augment G4's presence there since they already have SFB and PIE flights.

Last year, Allegiant evaluated LNS but it didn't want to pay expenses:
http://lancasteronline.com/article/l...-Lancaster-to-Orlando-flights.html

But, it has made MDT, the primary airport, home and has filled a spot with FL's loss of service. I'm surprised it hasn't added ABE-FLL or MDT-FLL, but ABE just got PGD from them.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: CIDFlyer
Posted 2013-08-17 10:54:21 and read 10311 times.

I'm going to guess further expansion from Florida and Mesa in time for winter. Maybe also some LAS flying since some 757's should be free from HNL

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-17 11:42:23 and read 10215 times.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 113):
Maybe also some LAS flying since some 757's should be free from HNL

I bet there will be LAS flying involved - there's a question mark over LAS in the G4 Facebook page teaser.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: CIDFlyer
Posted 2013-08-17 12:20:05 and read 10145 times.

whichever it will be can't wait to see the announcements!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-17 16:40:36 and read 9959 times.

So far, we've seen press conference announcements for Tuesday from:

-FAR
-FSD
-FWA (naturally, I will be attending this one and will post pictures here on a.net later in the day)
-ISP
-PSM
-STC
-SWF

I expect we'll be hearing even more from other airports on Monday, too.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: houstondallas
Posted 2013-08-17 19:30:46 and read 9752 times.

This is out of left field, but I'm hearing they are entering the Toronto market, YKF-SFB.

Houston

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: BOStonsox
Posted 2013-08-17 19:37:51 and read 9745 times.

ORH is rumored around here: http://www.flyorh.com/allegiant-airlines-worcester-to-punta/

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
G4 tried ORH, and it didn't work - poor loads and package sales.

I've heard that ORH actually did just fine, that loads were over 80%. Maybe the yields weren't so good.

Anyway, good to see PSM get service back! My grandmother is selling her place near Tampa but if I ever decide to return to the area, PIE would work just fine.

Let's see what Tuesday brings for everyone!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: CairnterriAIR
Posted 2013-08-17 19:40:23 and read 9720 times.

BDL....no. Already many nonstop flights to all over Florida by several airlines. Service to Vegas is provided by Southwest.

HVN...doubt it. Unless they bring in an A319 for a flight to Florida, the 5600 foot runway is a bit tough for an MD-80.

CEF...would probably work well. Serves the Hartford/Springfield market with highway access, 11,000 foot runways, good terminals, and was one of the few Skybus stations that actually worked. Could see flights to Florida, 757's to Vegas.

ABI....could it work? Good terminal and runways...flights to either Florida or Vegas.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: Jet13
Posted 2013-08-17 19:42:51 and read 9718 times.

Quoting airbusaddict (Reply 55):
FSD officials making an announcement on the 20th regarding G4.

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...light

Oh Yeah!

-Nick

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-17 20:06:39 and read 9681 times.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 118):

Not a rumor, just a guy throwing out a hopeful "what the hell prediction" that is likely not coming true on Tuesday.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-17 20:32:48 and read 9631 times.

Quoting CairnterriAIR (Reply 119):
ABI....could it work? Good terminal and runways...flights to either Florida or Vegas.

G4 tried ABI in 2006, with service to LAS. It didn't work.

Maybe things have changed, though.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-08-18 00:48:12 and read 9430 times.

I don't know why SLE shouldn't be a consideration, unless it's runway length at 5800 feet, MFR & EUG do well for G4 on the I-5 corridor. SLE is close enough to Portland, that it could easily draw people from the southern metro area down to Salem. places like Woodburn are obvious, but Wilsonville, Tualatin, Oregon City, Aurora, McMinnville & Newberg could be drawn in towards SLE. I think a 2x weekly operation to OAK, LAS, LAX or AZA may be a right sized move for G4.  



[Edited 2013-08-18 00:54:18]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: usctrojan18
Posted 2013-08-18 01:40:00 and read 9412 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 99):
Interesting. Either SAN is now seasonal or G4 is leaving SAN completely.

I would not be surprised if G4 left SAN. It's only route is to Bellingham,WA, and most people in San Diego would rather fly to SEA on AS, especially since Alaska is actually becoming more popular in San Diego.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: THEFLLFLYER
Posted 2013-08-18 07:19:33 and read 9140 times.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 118):
ORH is rumored around here: http://www.flyorh.com/allegiant-airl...unta/

And if G4 did that I would expect B6 to announce ORH-RSW and maybe ORH-TPA. ORH is jetBlue's child!!!!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-08-18 07:23:47 and read 9127 times.

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 124):
I would not be surprised if G4 left SAN. It's only route is to Bellingham,WA, and most people in San Diego would rather fly to SEA on AS, especially since Alaska is actually becoming more popular in San Diego.

Another consideration, however, is that there is no service between SAN and YVR now (for almost a year) so one might think SAN-BLI would be "needed" even more. So as of now, there is no service from SAN to anywhere in the PNW north of SEA/TAC...

I do agree that the whole G4-thing never did seem to catch on in San Diego. I hate to see us lose any carrier but I am assuming G4 is out'a here for good.

bb

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: 93Sierra
Posted 2013-08-18 10:34:09 and read 9010 times.

I'm betting on AZA gaining more then a few routes. Last winter was awesome for G4, why not add a few more to their 26 plus (?) destinations!?

Side note, I flew AZA to ATW for Oshkosh this year and it was a tight squeeze on that 319. How does the seat pitch compare on the Busses to the Maddogs?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-18 11:13:27 and read 8952 times.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 127):
Side note, I flew AZA to ATW for Oshkosh this year and it was a tight squeeze on that 319. How does the seat pitch compare on the Busses to the Maddogs?

The MD-80 has 160 seats at 29-30" pitch (with significantly more in the rear exit row), while the A319 has 156 seats at 28" pitch (maximum allowed by the FAA for dual overwing exits), the A320 has 177 seats at 28-29" pitch (again, maximum allowed), and the 757 has 217 seats at 28-30" pitch. All are non-reclining.

[Edited 2013-08-18 11:15:29]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: 93Sierra
Posted 2013-08-18 11:23:12 and read 8889 times.

Thanks for the reply. I didn't see the seat map on seatguru.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2013-08-18 12:06:11 and read 8824 times.

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 125):


ORH is jetBlue's child!!!!

That child has been left at the doorstep of the orphanage more times than one can count. I have no financial numbers to evaluate on B6 at ORH, but the general consensus is that B6 and Massport did some mutual backscratching to get B6 there.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-18 12:33:42 and read 8757 times.

On a related note, I wonder what the airports in question will be giving out for freebies at their press conferences on Tuesday.

Since FWA will be one of the airports making a press conference and I've been to many of their events, FWA usually gives out four things for sure at events. They are luggage tags with the FWA logo, oval FWA bumper stickers (which were also used as imagery in FWA's 2009-2013 ad campaign; they also have SMD bumper stickers for Smith Field events), clear blue pens with the FWA/SMD joint logo, and FWA's famous cookies (sugar and now oatmeal, baked across the street from the FWA terminal).

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 127):
I'm betting on AZA gaining more then a few routes. Last winter was awesome for G4, why not add a few more to their 26 plus (?) destinations!?

Actually, AZA is now at 32 destinations, third-most in the G4 system. The leader in terms of G4 cities is LAS at 45 destinations and SFB at 41 destinations is #2 to LAS (and still growing to the point where SFB could be bigger than LAS soon). And I have a gut feeling that we'll see new flights from all three on Tuesday.

Rounding out the top five are PIE with 25 destinations (#4) and G4's surprise success story PGD with 20 destinations (#5, up from three prior to the Direct Air collapse - expect PGD to overtake PIE soon). I wouldn't be surprised if I see a few more PGD routes announced Tuesday in addition to the normal LAS/SFB/AZA announcements.

Among G4's smaller, non-Top 5 bases, BLI has 8 cities, FLL has 7 cities, LAX has 6 cities, OAK and HNL have 5 cities each, and the seasonal MYR station is 4 cities. After G4 turned PGD into a year-round base last June, MYR is the only major non-base seasonal vacation spot left in G4's network.

No matter which bases get new service, I expect this to be a big day.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 130):
I have no financial numbers to evaluate on B6 at ORH, but the general consensus is that B6 and Massport did some mutual backscratching to get B6 there.

IIRC, B6 started ORH at the request of Massport in exchange for getting Terminal C at BOS all to itself. I hope ORH does well for B6, and given B6's brand loyalty in the Boston area, it should do well.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-08-18 12:37:31 and read 8756 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 128):
The MD-80 has 160 seats at 29-30" pitch (with significantly more in the rear exit row), while the A319 has 156 seats at 28" pitch (maximum allowed by the FAA for dual overwing exits), the A320 has 177 seats at 28-29" pitch (again, maximum allowed), and the 757 has 217 seats at 28-30" pitch. All are non-reclining.

..................ouch......................

Those are some mighty tight layouts.

-Dave

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-18 12:51:46 and read 8722 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 132):
..................ouch......................

Those are some mighty tight layouts.

-Dave

Still, G4's A320 has 1" more seat pitch than NK's A320 steerage section, and G4 uses slimline seats fleetwide while NK doesn't.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-18 13:09:33 and read 8677 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 131):
Since FWA will be one of the airports making a press conference and I've been to many of their events, FWA usually gives out four things for sure at events. They are luggage tags with the FWA logo, oval FWA bumper stickers (which were also used as imagery in FWA's 2009-2013 ad campaign; they also have SMD bumper stickers for Smith Field events), clear blue pens with the FWA/SMD joint logo, and FWA's famous cookies (sugar and now oatmeal, baked across the street from the FWA terminal).

Airport cookies... Must be some airport you got there in Indiana!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: THEFLLFLYER
Posted 2013-08-18 13:28:44 and read 8623 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 131):
IIRC, B6 started ORH at the request of Massport in exchange for getting Terminal C at BOS all to itself. I hope ORH does well for B6, and given B6's brand loyalty in the Boston area, it should do well.

This is theory, not a proven fact

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2013-08-18 13:31:16 and read 8631 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 131):


IIRC, B6 started ORH at the request of Massport in exchange for getting Terminal C at BOS all to itself. I hope ORH does well for B6, and given B6's brand loyalty in the Boston area, it should do well.

I hope it does well too, I've always had a soft spot for underdog airports/airlines and ORH certainly fits the bill. Even if it doesn't, it may be worth it in the long run to have a couple of loss-leader flights at ORH to keep Massport co-operative.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-18 13:35:35 and read 8644 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 134):
Airport cookies... Must be some airport you got there in Indiana!

FWA's handed out over a million of them since 2000. They are VERY popular with loyal FWA pax, myself included. The wrapper even has the FWA logo and flyfwa.com on them. One FWA exec once quipped that while certain things come up for review in their annual budget, they won't touch the cookie portion. YX cookies may be gone forever, but FWA's cookie tradition is alive and well.  

FWA's been a leader in introducing other perks to their pax as well. For example, when they added Wi-Fi to their terminal around 2004 or so, they made it free to pax at a time when pay Wi-Fi was the norm at airports. They also have a parking lot shuttle for the cold and those with a lot of bags, which is unusual for an airport with a small parking lot.

And one of the great things about G4 here is that it exposes more people to FWA, its perks, and its convenience. Since they started service from here over six years ago, G4 has proven that FWA can compete with IND and others for leisure travelers in addition to FWA's normal bread-and-butter business pax.

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 135):
This is theory, not a proven fact

It was mentioned in the B6 press release that announced the total takeover of Terminal C that B6 would work with Massport to explore ORH service.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-18 14:09:58 and read 8577 times.

I was just thinking, when G4 comes to ISP, where will they park? I doubt WN will lease any gate space to them (as they will probably be competing indirectly on their routes). One of the old gates has a ground-level jetway and is probably in working condition, right? I have honestly never been further into the old terminal than the US Airways gates.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-18 14:28:58 and read 8558 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 138):
I was just thinking, when G4 comes to ISP, where will they park? I doubt WN will lease any gate space to them (as they will probably be competing indirectly on their routes). One of the old gates has a ground-level jetway and is probably in working condition, right? I have honestly never been further into the old terminal than the US Airways gates.

G4 doesn't mandate jetways for gates and will often opt for a gate without jetways if the costs are lower than a jetway gate. Their big-5 station operations at PIE, PGD, and AZA are all jetway-free, as are many smaller G4 outstations.

Back when LaBov Business Aviation handled G4 here at FWA, they used ground boarding from Gate 2 (which is now a DL/DGS gate at peak times after LaBov exited the ground business). G4 now uses Eagle for ground at jetway gates 7 and 8 - same as Eagle's own flights. However, FWA is a CUTE airport where airlines are charged for gate usage by the flight, not the gate, allowing for more flexibility in gate usage.

SBN was no-jetway for G4 (C Holdroom) until the new concourse opened as well.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2013-08-18 14:35:47 and read 8545 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 139):


Their big-5 station operations at PIE, PGD, and AZA are all jetway-free, as are many smaller G4 outstations.

PIE does have jetways, though I have no idea whether G4 uses them or not. The map below shows 2 jetways with 2 G4 aircraft on the ramp adjacent to them, though not it use. Anyone at PIE know the skinny on G4's PIE jetway usage/non-usage?

http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9LH2

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: freakyrat
Posted 2013-08-18 16:37:55 and read 8397 times.

SBN did have the old American Eagle ground level jetway at Gate C12 for Allegiant that involved an elevated lift for physically challenged passengers. Allegiant hardly used it opting for the gangplank ramps for their MD80's In the new terminal they built an inside walkup ramp and use a 3/4 height jetway (Gate A9) for their flights. It can be stretched out and easily will fit their B757's also as tonight they are using it for their A319 flight from AZA.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: CIDFlyer
Posted 2013-08-18 17:26:46 and read 8288 times.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 140):
PIE does have jetways, though I have no idea whether G4 uses them or not

I believe they do use jetways there, I swear I have seen pics here where there were G4's planes parked at both gates

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YQBexYHZBGM
Posted 2013-08-18 17:30:46 and read 8288 times.

I thought G4 already served FAR?

I'm sure they could make YHZ-PIE and YHZ-SFB work at least a couple times a week in the winter. Heck, the same destinations served once a week from YSJ, YQM, YFC and PQI would make sense too. A single MD-80 could be kept busy throughout the week alternating between these routes.

-Al (YQBexYHZBGM)

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-18 17:48:52 and read 8309 times.

Quoting YQBexYHZBGM (Reply 143):

I thought G4 already served FAR?

According to Allegiant's HTML5-based interactive route map (notably, the only US carrier map besides VX that is not based on Adobe Flash and can work on an iPad or Android tablet), they fly from FAR to LAS, AZA, and SFB. Which means that the mystery other city from FAR is probably PIE, LAX, PGD (but only on an Airbus), or OAK.

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 141):
SBN did have the old American Eagle ground level jetway at Gate C12 for Allegiant that involved an elevated lift for physically challenged passengers. Allegiant hardly used it opting for the gangplank ramps for their MD80's

Sounds a lot like a Commute-a-Walk (aka Big Slinky), which was common throughout the Eagle system and was also what TZ/C8 installed at FWA's Gate 2 that G4 used to use prior to using Gates 7/8. IIRC, when LaBov handled G4 at Gate 2, they used the Commute-a-Walk to the tarmac to shield the pax and then a ramp to the plane. Not sure if DL uses the Commute-a-Walk today.

[Edited 2013-08-18 17:53:56]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: crj900lr
Posted 2013-08-18 17:57:59 and read 8221 times.

Quoting SaabFA71 (Reply 67):
How about LNS and RDG? No pure airline service there. Maybe have 2-3x weekly flights to SFB, PIE, or FLL. The terminal at LNS isn't quite set up to handle 100 or so pax, but I could see that service working if it's marketed right. Or start service to LAS and/or MYR from MDT to augment G4's presence there since they already have SFB and PIE flights.

RDG is to close to ABE and not that far from MDT and both already have G4 service so it wouldnt really make sense to start operations out of there with the other cities so close. The only jet service RDG or LNS has is charters by WN on select weekends through out the year. And your right about the LNS terminal, it's very small and is not set up for an operation like that.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: michiganatc
Posted 2013-08-18 18:03:01 and read 8215 times.

No to be rude, but I hope it's an announcement about them pulling out of GRR and starting up at AZO and/or LAN or elsewhere. We finally have SWA here in GRR and I would much rather have SWA grow here than to have G4 sustain service. Plus, I don't care for MD80's. So loud!!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-18 18:07:20 and read 8191 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 139):

I know that they don't mandate jetways but I figured they'd use it if it was availible.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-18 18:09:27 and read 8208 times.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 146):
No to be rude, but I hope it's an announcement about them pulling out of GRR and starting up at AZO and/or LAN or elsewhere.

G4 already serves LAN-SFB. AZO's short runway won't work with the MD-80, but will work with the Airbus.

That said, will G4 leave GRR? Maybe, maybe not. Surprisingly, they are still around at GSP long after WN began service there - most people expected them to pack up and leave GSP by now. And G4 just began AUS-LAS, a WN route. So something tells me that G4 isn't afraid to compete against WN these days.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2013-08-18 18:39:34 and read 8152 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 148):
That said, will G4 leave GRR? Maybe, maybe not. Surprisingly, they are still around at GSP long after WN began service there - most people expected them to pack up and leave GSP by now. And G4 just began AUS-LAS, a WN route. So something tells me that G4 isn't afraid to compete against WN these days.
G4 even outlasted WN on GSP-Orlando, a route WN cut earlier this year. (I'm not implying the two were related, by the way.)

[Edited 2013-08-18 18:40:35]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: freakyrat
Posted 2013-08-18 19:11:54 and read 8096 times.

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 141):
SBN did have the old American Eagle ground level jetway at Gate C12 for Allegiant that involved an elevated lift for physically challenged passengers. Allegiant hardly used it opting for the gangplank ramps for their MD80's

Actually it was a 3/4 height jetway attached to a building extension off of a corrugated metal walkway. Inside the jetway vestibule they had a lift.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: MDPIC
Posted 2013-08-18 20:21:27 and read 8008 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 133):
Still, G4's A320 has 1" more seat pitch than NK's A320 steerage section, and G4 uses slimline seats fleetwide while NK doesn't.

Actually the leased 319's are being operated without the slimline seats, but rather the original Easyjet interior.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-08-18 20:25:37 and read 8200 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 133):
Still, G4's A320 has 1" more seat pitch than NK's A320 steerage section, and G4 uses slimline seats fleetwide while NK doesn't.

I've never flown either carrier, but would have considered them until seeing the pitch. That's just too tight for me. I'd rather spend a little more and get a little more space. I'm glad they're there as an option for people, though.

-Dave

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: 93Sierra
Posted 2013-08-18 21:43:23 and read 8094 times.

Ahh that explains the orange overheads and the bathroom. I got a great deal flying them a few weeks ago but even as an airline employee and avaition fanatic and always rooting for AzA, was shocked at how tight the seats were on my 319 flight.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-08-18 21:57:16 and read 8077 times.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 153):
was shocked at how tight the seats were on my 319 flight.

I've taken NK 319s, and after hearing how similar the pitch is to G4, I've made up my mind I will not fly with G4.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: uncgso
Posted 2013-08-19 00:03:27 and read 7943 times.

any chance of some new GSO service? maybe to LAS or PGD?

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: pwm2txlhopper
Posted 2013-08-19 09:50:11 and read 7620 times.

Only because the following press release came out the other day stating new airline service to PSM would be announced on Tuesday the 20th, I'm going to guess its going to be PSM to somewhere in Florida.... Again. The airline already flew PSM to SFB previously, pulling out in 2007 in favor of focussing on BGR.

Commercial Flights to return to Portsmouth Airport- August 16th, 2013

http://www.mainebiz.biz/article/20130816/NEWS0101/130819966

Quoting ZWTwinOtter (Reply 38):

Don't forget PWM. Strong and underserved to Florida.... counts as Boston area.

Not really Boston area. We are 120 miles by road to Boston from Portland. PVD and MHT are considerably closer.

Also, not so sure if there's a strong Florida market up here at PWM? That's what I use to think, but when B6 introduced non-stop PWM-MCO on the E-190, it wasn't long before Air Tran also introduced the same route, and within a year both airlines dropped non-stops to Florida all together. It's been several years now, and no other non-stops to Florida have begun since then.

Fares from PWM to Florida are already low. $225 RT to MCO right now. Not very high yielding. I think if G4 started PWM service, the legacies and LCC's would drive them out in short order. However, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

[Edited 2013-08-19 10:04:13]

[Edited 2013-08-19 10:05:10]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2013-08-19 13:37:26 and read 7305 times.

TUL will be announced tomorrow as well.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-19 15:47:30 and read 7041 times.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 157):

TUL will be announced tomorrow as well.

Doesn't AA TUL MX do some of G4's MD-80 MX in addition to AAR? If so, it makes sense to serve TUL with pax instead of doing an otherwise empty plane MX ferry.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: CIDFlyer
Posted 2013-08-19 16:13:09 and read 6979 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 158):
Doesn't AA TUL MX do some of G4's MD-80 MX in addition to AAR? If so, it makes sense to serve TUL with pax instead of doing an otherwise empty plane MX ferry.

I believe so. Interesting that G4 will be going into two markets where SWA serivce is established and strong (AUS being the other one)

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-08-19 16:17:51 and read 7000 times.

My apologies if this has already been posted:

Quote:
PORT AUTHORITY AND NATIONAL AIRLINE CARRIER TO ANNOUNCE NEW SERVICE AT STEWART INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT TUESDAY MORNING
http://www.panynj.gov/press-room/press-item.cfm?headLine_id=1821

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-08-19 16:39:01 and read 6908 times.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 21):
As a resident of Long Island for my entire life (33 years), I would go with "NO" for that.

I second that (also as an LI resident).

I don't see SWF happening. They yanked SWF in 2007 I think. Plus side to SFB is that it's closer to Daytona Beach. In between the two. I could see some people I know using it.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-19 17:19:38 and read 6860 times.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 161):
I don't see SWF happening.

You my friend are going to be wrong: http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbc...ID=/20130819/BIZ/130819712/-1/NEWS

Quote:
Allegiant Air on Tuesday will announce its return to Stewart International Airport, according to an airline spokesman.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: spinkid
Posted 2013-08-19 17:22:40 and read 6805 times.

I was hoping for more service to SWF, but twice weekly to St. Pete is a start.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: THEFLLFLYER
Posted 2013-08-19 18:26:59 and read 6688 times.

I know this is a long shot, but is it possible we could see G4 attempt some transcon or semi-transcon routes like SWF/ISP-LAS/LAX? It seems like the Florida markets are well covered from these markets by WN (ISP) and B6 (SWF) and G4 might be looking to innovate....

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-19 18:32:39 and read 6727 times.

SWF! New service.......yes!!! So pumped.

Allegiant has no fear and will constantly re-enter markets. They will fly anything that makes money, period. SWF is very different and more allegiant friendly since the time they left.

Plattsburg seems to be doing good on LAS I am praying for SWF to las and maybe Niagara to Vegas once the airbuses are higher numbers.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: nwafan20
Posted 2013-08-19 19:05:18 and read 6572 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 54):
Quoting YQBexYHZbgm (Reply 51):
AZO Kalamazoo, Mich.

Would require an Airbus with the short runway. AZO did well for Direct Air, and I could see G4 eventually serving the airport.

Actually it wouldn't. I flew out of AZO on a DirectAir MD-80 twice.

But I don't see AZO getting service with GRR just north and SBN just south.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: freakyrat
Posted 2013-08-19 19:09:49 and read 6552 times.

SBN has the best service from G4 and a lot of it. The flights from AZA have just been converted to A319's from the MD80's.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-19 19:14:01 and read 6547 times.

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 167):

SBN has the best service from G4 and a lot of it. The flights from AZA have just been converted to A319's from the MD80's.

SBN does have very good service levels for a G4 city. Isn't G4 the #2 carrier at SBN now?

I have a feeling that if the new city from FWA that will be announced tomorrow is what I think it is, G4 will become #2 behind DL at FWA, too...  

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-19 19:47:44 and read 6512 times.

Looks like the new service will begin in late December:

Google:
Nevada-based Allegiant Air, a low-cost airline with annual revenues north of $775 million, will begin flying out of MacArthur Airport Dec. 27.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-08-19 20:06:35 and read 6499 times.

And the media leaks build ahead of the actual announcement:

Allegiant adds nonstop flights between Oklahoma City and Orlando
http://newsok.com/allegiant-adds-non...a-city-and-orlando/article/3873604

[Edited 2013-08-19 20:19:39]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-19 20:10:08 and read 6437 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 169):
Looks like the new service will begin in late December:

Google:
Nevada-based Allegiant Air, a low-cost airline with annual revenues north of $775 million, will begin flying out of MacArthur Airport Dec. 27.

Awesome! Just in time to capture those looking to excape the cold right after Christmas! Still no word on the destinations, but I think I have an idea..  

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-08-19 21:12:34 and read 6300 times.

And now another:

Allegiant Airlines will offer nonstop flights between Bismarck and Orlando, Fla., this fall.
http://bismarcktribune.com/business/...2-0917-11e3-9160-0019bb2963f4.html

Maybe time to start a running list until the actual Tuesday announcements.

So now we have actual routes confirmed by media as:

SWF-PIE

BIS-SFB
OKC-SFB

[Edited 2013-08-19 21:13:30]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2013-08-19 21:53:38 and read 6157 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 170):
Allegiant adds nonstop flights between Oklahoma City and Orlando
http://newsok.com/allegiant-adds-non...73604

Kinda of a shock that they are going to do it, but glad they are. OKC-SFB was suppose to come in before they pulled out completely the last time. This should also allow them rotate aircraft through pretty easily as there is always 1 or 2 MD-80s at AAR here.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: airbusaddict
Posted 2013-08-20 00:09:30 and read 6013 times.

...and so it begins! Allegiant starting flight between Sioux Falls, SD and Tampa/St. Petersburg on Nov. 1st!

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...00007/Allegiant-adds-Tampa-flights

FSD-PIE Friday & Monday service.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-08-20 03:48:57 and read 5849 times.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 153):
was shocked at how tight the seats were on my 319 flight.

I've taken NK 319s, and after hearing how similar the pitch is to G4, I've made up my mind I will not fly with G4.

The G4 interactive map has been updated with new flights and cities, go check it out. No real big surprises, IMO.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: YNGguins
Posted 2013-08-20 04:24:16 and read 5960 times.

Here is a list of all of today's routes!

Courtesy: http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...ets-nyc-charlotte-markets/2675399/

Nonstop service to Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport (AZA)
Fort Wayne, Ind.: Begins Oct. 30, 2013
Manhattan, Kan.: Begins Nov. 7, 2013

Nonstop service Orlando-Sanford International Airport (SFB)
Bismarck, N.D.: Begins Nov. 23, 2013
Clarksburg, W. Va.: Begins Nov. 14, 2013
Charlottesville, Va.: Begins Nov. 21, 2013
Concord, N.C.: Begins Dec. 20, 2013
Oklahoma City: Begins Nov. 14, 2013
Portsmouth, N.H.: Begins Oct. 25, 2013
Springfield, Ill.: Begins Nov. 22, 2013
St. Cloud, Minn.: Begins Dec. 18, 2013
Tulsa: Begins Oct. 25, 2013

Nonstop service to St. Petersburg-Clearwater International Airport (PIE)
Elmira, N.Y.: Begins Nov. 1, 2013
Sioux Falls, S.D.: Begins Nov. 1, 2013
Columbus Rickenbacker, Ohio: Begins Nov. 23, 2013
Fargo, N.D.: Begins Nov. 23, 2013
Newburgh/Stewart, N.Y.: Begins Oct. 31, 2013
Syracuse, N.Y.: Begins Nov. 7, 2013

Nonstop service to Florida's Punta Gorda Airport (PGD)
Islip/Long Island, N.Y.: Begins Dec. 20, 2013

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: THEFLLFLYER
Posted 2013-08-20 04:34:13 and read 5833 times.

I find it interesting that G4 avoided competition on its NYC routes. They didn't do SWF/ISP-SFB rather SWF-PIE and ISP-PIE. Usually G4 runs the SFB route to test the market first.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-20 05:25:23 and read 5690 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 176):
Nonstop service to Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport (AZA)
Fort Wayne, Ind.: Begins Oct. 30, 2013

So it's the return of FWA-AZA, not FWA-LAS as many have suspected. I wonder if the availability of the A319 at AZA had anything to do with it, as SBN-AZA now uses the Airbus?

Either way, a welcome addition to FWA, and with great timing for the start of the cooler months here.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2013-08-20 05:28:06 and read 5668 times.

What an interesting mix of markets G4 is adding. This will be worth following.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-20 06:20:40 and read 5544 times.

Local newspaper article on FWA-AZA:
http://www.fortwayne.com/apps/pbcs.d...20130820/BIZ/320118800/1017/TOPBIZ

2x weekly on Wednesdays and Saturdays. No mention of the aircraft type, but I bet it's an A319 a la SBN-AZA. Promotional pricing will be aggressive: A limited number of $99 round-trip fares will be available for the first three days, then fares start at a still-great $89 each way until 8/27.

Allegiant press release: http://ir.allegiantair.com/phoenix.z...-newsArticle&ID=1848608&highlight=

[Edited 2013-08-20 06:38:41]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: DeltaRules
Posted 2013-08-20 08:58:59 and read 5152 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 176):
Columbus Rickenbacker, Ohio: Begins Nov. 23, 2013

Good for LCK. Must be a sign of things going well for G4 in Central Ohio!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: kstateinALB
Posted 2013-08-20 09:22:31 and read 5023 times.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 176):
Nonstop service to Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport (AZA)
Fort Wayne, Ind.: Begins Oct. 30, 2013
Manhattan, Kan.: Begins Nov. 7, 2013

I'm extremely excited for MHK! This is a community that has really loved having the AA service, and has been extremely supportive of it. I will be interested to see how the service goes, but is a great step in the right direction!

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2013-08-20 10:29:02 and read 4864 times.

Quoting kstateinALB (Reply 182):
I'm extremely excited for MHK! This is a community that has really loved having the AA service, and has been extremely supportive of it. I will be interested to see how the service goes, but is a great step in the right direction!

I just got back from the press release. It is twice weekly (Thursday Sunday) service to AZA on the a319. G4 rep said MHK was on the list of places to go for a long time and they are excited to see how it will pan out. Chamber of Commerce expects if the community supports it like it did the MQ flights that G4 would add other destinations and mentioned SFB.

Indeed very exciting for a community whose only service was EAS to MCI just four years ago.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-20 13:19:18 and read 4472 times.

FWA-AZA will be flown on the A319, the first regularly scheduled pax Airbus service into the airport (though an MD-80 might be substituted if needed), but this statistic surprised me: Phoenix is the #3 O&D destination from FWA behind ATL and DFW.

So I'm not surprised that FWA-AZA is restarting.

[Edited 2013-08-20 13:40:32]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: flyCMH
Posted 2013-08-20 16:40:56 and read 4018 times.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 181):
Quoting YNGguins (Reply 176):Columbus Rickenbacker, Ohio: Begins Nov. 23, 2013
Good for LCK. Must be a sign of things going well for G4 in Central Ohio!

What a very pleasant surprise. Great to see G4 expanding in the Columbus market a little over a year to the day they announced their initial service to SFB from LCK. Here's to their continued success at Rickenbacker.

Below is the local coverage from the Dispatch:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...lights-to-second-florida-city.html

[Edited 2013-08-20 16:50:08]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: jderden777
Posted 2013-08-20 17:02:12 and read 3949 times.

CHO-SFB begins Thursday, 21NOV. Not sure what a/c type, but seeing as they operate the MD80 into ROA, I could see them trying it with CHO as well since we now have 6801' of runway.

http://ir.allegiantair.com/phoenix.z...-newsArticle&ID=1848605&highlight=

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2013-08-20 17:46:23 and read 3826 times.

Quoting jderden777 (Reply 186):
CHO-SFB begins Thursday, 21NOV. Not sure what a/c type, but seeing as they operate the MD80 into ROA, I could see them trying it with CHO as well since we now have 6801' of runway.

Not sure if the 319's are down in SFB yet, but they would have no problem on that runway. An '80 shouldn't either, given the route is only 615 nm.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-20 17:55:03 and read 3772 times.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 187):
Not sure if the 319's are down in SFB yet

The A319s won't be deployed to SFB and will strictly be for routes from AZA at first, but the A320s will be flying from SFB along with PIE and PGD.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: LV
Posted 2013-08-20 18:36:38 and read 3712 times.

Here is the official recap press release from G4:

http://ir.allegiantair.com/phoenix.z...-newsArticle&ID=1848584&highlight=


Nothing out of Vegas... kind of surprised... kind of not. Things are getting better here but still not at growth levels back... although I have noticed we are getting busier at work.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: CIDFlyer
Posted 2013-08-20 19:45:44 and read 3467 times.

some interesting choices this time! Back into SWF, now in ISP and SYR, all markets either covered by Southwest Or JetBlue. OKC and TUL too, Southwest strongholds. They must be doing pretty good in Columbus OH as they got additional service there. Not to mention the CLT area via Concord, that really surprised me. Looks like G4 is kicking it up a notch entering some larger markets with existing low fare carriers but going for edge by having the non stop flights on those particular routes. Interesting times for sure.

[Edited 2013-08-20 19:46:46]

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-08-20 20:00:43 and read 3426 times.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 190):
some interesting choices this time! Back into SWF, now in ISP and SYR, all markets either covered by Southwest Or JetBlue. OKC and TUL too, Southwest strongholds.

In the retail world, WalMart has been losing a little business to the even lower-rung Dollar Store-type chains. In a way, Southwest feeling the heat from G4 et al would be a similar market analogy.

There's always a bigger fish, but the small fish are pretty good at adapting and eating the scraps. How far that trend goes remains to be seen.

-Dave

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2013-08-20 21:08:28 and read 3291 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 189):
Nothing out of Vegas... kind of surprised... kind of not. Things are getting better here but still not at growth levels back... although I have noticed we are getting busier at work.

In the May 2013 Airways article involving the Regional/National airlines, it was made pretty clear that LAS would be flat to negative when it comes to growth this year. Hopefully it turns around as better equipment comes in to reconnect the eastern cities.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 190):
OKC and TUL too, Southwest strongholds.

They should have no problem in these markets, if they advertise. This is G4's second go around with OKC. They attempted LAS for awhile and were planning to launch SFB but killed the whole thing once WN pounded them on LS. So far WN hasn't announced if they are bringing OKC-MCO back for the seasonal operation in late Winter. Regardless, G4 is going into a market right now that has started to trend back up in passenger growth and has average fares $200 to $225 one way. They are dumping $45 fares on the market right now, so hopefully that'll make some waves. TUL is even higher than OKC in fares with AA actually being the dominant carrier there. Not a shock when you have 4,000 people on your payroll.  

Should be an interesting time. I know for us here in OKC we've really needed some fresh blood to provide better competition since Frontier has laid an egg and WN has increased fares.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: cactus739
Posted 2013-08-20 21:52:21 and read 3206 times.

Tulsa - Orlando is interesting should make a nice dent in the fares. With OKC, TUL, XNA and LIT service they've really painting this part of the country to Orlando....

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: uncgso
Posted 2013-08-20 23:22:52 and read 3073 times.

Guess the 75 mile drive to GSO is too far for the people in Concord/Kannapolis, NC lol ... i mean that would be like WN serving RDU and GSO ... but i digress ...

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: dsuairptman
Posted 2013-08-21 09:51:15 and read 2737 times.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 192):
In the May 2013 Airways article involving the Regional/National airlines, it was made pretty clear that LAS would be flat to negative when it comes to growth this year. Hopefully it turns around as better equipment comes in to reconnect the eastern cities.



I think there will be another announcement soon regarding LAS, most likely in conjunction with G4 moving to the A gates at LAS with service intiating after the start of the year. If that teaser map means anything, there are still a lot of question marks on it.

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-08-21 10:55:58 and read 2590 times.

Quoting LV (Reply 189):
Nothing out of Vegas... kind of surprised... kind of not. Things are getting better here but still not at growth levels back... although I have noticed we are getting busier at work.

The increased costs of operating at LAS are part of the reason for G4's slower growth at LAS:

Quote:
"Traditionally, it has focused on Las Vegas, but Bricker said that a $2.4 billion new terminal at McCarran International Airport there has increased the fees the airline pays to fly there by about $600 per flight, or $4 a passenger.

"We have to pass those costs on the customer," Bricker said. "We're still growing in Vegas but just very, very slowly.""
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireS...targets-east-coast-routes-20008145

Topic: RE: Rumor Time: Allegiant Big Announcement Aug 20
Username: airbusaddict
Posted 2013-08-21 19:31:57 and read 2321 times.

After one day, introductory fares are sold out in FSD, and over 1,300 seats were sold (not sure if this is for FSD only or for all PIE markets).

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...Sioux-Falls-Tampa-flights-sold-out


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