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Topic: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-08-11 18:44:59 and read 16491 times.

Per our inflight weekly publication at US today. It was stated by Hector Adler the new inflight VP of the combined carrier that USAirways will Co-Locate its operation at JFK with AA beginning this month . More locations to follow soon after merger closing which is expected to be at the end of August / early Sept. Looks like things are moving along quickly trying to combine the two carriers  

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Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: flydeltajets
Posted 2013-08-11 18:50:04 and read 16464 times.

I haven't seen or heard that anywhere else. Usually there would be information about that in some other place as well.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-08-11 18:55:56 and read 16417 times.

Just came out . If your a US employee you would have heard it on Hector's Bi weekly recorded message to employees titled " Hector's Perspective " If not , then your hearing it from me .

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-11 18:57:28 and read 16398 times.

Aww, no more long and winding jetways for my flights to CLT.   But I guess this was inevitable.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: chepos
Posted 2013-08-11 19:35:42 and read 16158 times.

I was told Aug 28th was the date. The BA terminal in the evening is quite crowded, kind of glad the move is happening.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-08-11 19:52:53 and read 16019 times.

I read on Airlineforums .com that US is also moving to the D concourse at MIA this month.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: BOACCunard
Posted 2013-08-11 20:10:37 and read 15907 times.

This should be a very easy thing to do as US has so few flights at JFK. Same for moving to D at MIA.

But in a lot of places it will not be so easy. Look at LGA for example.

Of course, ironically, US, by merging with AA, will soon have a very close relationship with the airline whose terminal it's moving out of at JFK as well.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-11 20:12:49 and read 15890 times.

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):

That brings up a thought, will the US flights use specific gates at T8? Or will they just whichever gates are availible at the time?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: flydeltajets
Posted 2013-08-11 20:19:17 and read 15846 times.

Quoting chepos (Reply 4):

I was told Aug 28th was the date. The BA terminal in the evening is quite crowded, kind of glad the move is happening.

Very true!

AA has a very nice terminal as well.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-11 20:26:37 and read 15795 times.

Who handles US at JFK? If it is something like Eagle then I imagine that they could be slipped in quite easily but if it is in-house or a third party contractor then it might be a bit harder to slip them in.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: wn676
Posted 2013-08-11 20:35:56 and read 15735 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):

GSI handles US right now.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: Alsatian
Posted 2013-08-11 21:18:18 and read 15507 times.

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):
This should be a very easy thing to do as US has so few flights at JFK. Same for moving to D at MIA.

On thursday, September 5 :

0615 US 1772 JFK - CLT 321
0640 US 621 JFK - PHX 321
0825 US 1831 JFK - CLT 321
1015 US 2067 JFK - CLT 320
1029 US 625 JFK - PHX 321
1200 US 1978 JFK - CLT 321
1345 US 1802 JFK - CLT 319
1629 US 629 JFK - PHX 321
1829 US 425 JFK - CLT 321

0640 US 1960 MIA -CLT 321
0745 US 1823 MIA - PHL 320
0830 US 1860 MIA -CLT 734
1140 US 748 MIA -CLT 321
1305 US 2079 MIA -CLT 734
1355 US 718 MIA - PHL 320
1455 US 730 MIA -CLT 321
1650 US 1868 MIA - PHL 320
1710 US 1798 MIA -CLT 321
1900 US 1838 MIA -CLT 321

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-08-11 21:51:37 and read 15365 times.

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):
Look at LGA for example.

I think LGA is one of the biggest questions of all the airports. I don't think there is doubt that if they combine it will be in Terminal B but it remains to be seen if the other airlines will be willing to move etc...

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: flydeltajets
Posted 2013-08-11 22:15:58 and read 15271 times.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 10):
GSI handles US right now.

I wonder if GSI handling of US has something to do with the BA contract and will it continue when the move to T8.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: aa777jfklhr
Posted 2013-08-12 06:28:51 and read 13040 times.

Effective August 28th US will be operating out of Concourse C, they will be utilizing Gates 34,36,38,40 however if need be they can operate out of any of the terminal 8 gates. Ground handling, will be handled by AA fleet service, while cabin services will be handled by AAs vendors, turns are handled by Airways llc. and RONs are handled by AirServ Corporation.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-08-12 06:34:04 and read 12947 times.

Their operation isn't that small as you see

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: speedbird2263
Posted 2013-08-12 07:19:15 and read 12552 times.

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 12):

Aren't US in the process of building a New Lounge over by C somewhere? I could've sworn I had seen some signs about construction. In any case that AA Terminal at LGA needs to buried and ressurected! Yeesh! Only flew through there once and dilapidated is an understatement. With Delta's C and D along with their effort to " Win in NY", AA better have some plans, of course that's just all IMHO.

  
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Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: aa777jfklhr
Posted 2013-08-12 07:26:50 and read 12458 times.

As jfklganyc noted, their operation isn't as small as it seems, and I think you will see an expansion for US at JFK. They were so gate restricted at Terminal 7 that they could not expand their operation. As a matter of fact they were so gate restricted that JFK isn't even a diversion city for US operations.

I think you will see some upcoming growth for US at JFK.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: ckfred
Posted 2013-08-12 07:31:34 and read 12407 times.

I wonder when US will at ORD. It's been on Concourse F in Terminal 2 for a long time. When TWA moved from Terminal 2 after the merger, TWA flights went out of L1. But, the TWA operation was a lot smaller than the US operation. So, it will be interesting to see where AA puts US operations.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-12 09:38:25 and read 11519 times.

Quoting aa777jfklhr (Reply 17):
Reply 17, posted s_lt(1376317610, 'l F j Y H:i:s');Mon Aug 12 2013 10:26:50 your local timeMon Aug 12 2013 07:26:50 UTC (2 hours 9 minutes 14 secs ago) and read 914 times:

As jfklganyc noted, their operation isn't as small as it seems, and I think you will see an expansion for US at JFK. They were so gate restricted at Terminal 7 that they could not expand their operation. As a matter of fact they were so gate restricted that JFK isn't even a diversion city for US operations.

I think you will see some upcoming growth for US at JFK.

I wonder if we will see PHL service start up again. They ran it with an E-190 that RONed at JFK for a few months last summer but than it just stopped. Hopefully we might see some DCA flights, too? Not enough to take away from the LGA flights, but 2-3 daily E-170s?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: ripcordd
Posted 2013-08-12 10:49:08 and read 10997 times.

US moves to L Gates at ORD Sept/Oct

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-08-12 12:21:56 and read 10414 times.

AA is hosting so many oneworld airlines inside JFK T-8, and yet their flagship JV : JFK-LHR, is a split terminal operation, with no post-security transfer service.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-08-12 12:26:16 and read 10358 times.

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):
In any case that AA Terminal at LGA needs to buried and ressurected! Yeesh! Only flew through there once and dilapidated is an understatement.

The PANYNJ is in the planning process of demolishing that terminal and building a new one.

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):
AA better have some plans

The only thing they can do are cosmetic changes.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: wn676
Posted 2013-08-12 12:52:11 and read 10189 times.

Quoting aa777jfklhr (Reply 14):

Effective August 28th US will be operating out of Concourse C, they will be utilizing Gates 34,36,38,40 however if need be they can operate out of any of the terminal 8 gates. Ground handling, will be handled by AA fleet service, while cabin services will be handled by AAs vendors, turns are handled by Airways llc. and RONs are handled by AirServ Corporation.


Interesting to hear about AA doing the ground handling. In PHX we have been told that ATS will continue to work AA after they move in to T4 later this year (still TBD).

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: Sligo
Posted 2013-08-12 12:59:48 and read 10111 times.

Does the inflight base move necessarily mean an operational move too at the same exact time? Assuming that it does (but it may not), does this mean US/AA lounge access integration is set to start when they do this move or will they strand US club members?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-08-12 13:00:59 and read 10374 times.

Quoting Sligo (Reply 24):
does this mean US/AA lounge access integration is set to start when they do this move or will they strand US club members?

I would assume it would happen at the same time, but does US even have a club at JFK?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: eastern023
Posted 2013-08-12 13:06:23 and read 10388 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 12):
I think LGA is one of the biggest questions of all the airports. I don't think there is doubt that if they combine it will be in Terminal B but it remains to be seen if the other airlines will be willing to move etc...

I wonder what is going to happen here in Washington, DC. At DCA. Would AA would move from Concourse B to C where US is predominant or stay where they are right now? looks like they can use both and they would have a lounge at both terminals.

Also, here at Dulles US is by itself at the Z gates and AA all the way at the B Terminal. Maybe they'll co-locate to Z which will be cool too.

Greetings,

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Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: chepos
Posted 2013-08-12 13:06:46 and read 10596 times.

US does not have a club at JFK.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-08-12 13:11:02 and read 10579 times.

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):
But in a lot of places it will not be so easy. Look at LGA for example.
Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):
Aren't US in the process of building a New Lounge over by C somewhere?

I saw it open for business today.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: HNL
Posted 2013-08-12 13:21:08 and read 10507 times.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 26):
I wonder what is happening here in Washington, DC. At DCA. Would AA would move from Concourse B to C where US is predominant or stay where they are right now? looks like they can use both and they would have a lounge at both terminals.

AA and US are the only airlines that operate from the central concourse (well VX operates one flight a day from a US gate) so both airlines will keep the gates at DCA. I wonder what will come of the two lounges. Will they be combined?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: Sligo
Posted 2013-08-12 13:28:22 and read 10402 times.

Quoting chepos (Reply 27):
US does not have a club at JFK.

Yes, I know. Currently they have reciprocal access to the United Club in 7. A move to 8 would mean either entry into the AC or loss of all lounge access.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: eastern023
Posted 2013-08-12 13:33:47 and read 10347 times.

Quoting HNL (Reply 29):
. Will they be combined?

They'll probably keep both lounges as there is no after security connector between Councourses B & C.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-08-12 13:34:17 and read 10332 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 21):

AA is hosting so many oneworld airlines inside JFK T-8, and yet their flagship JV : JFK-LHR, is a split terminal operation, with no post-security transfer service.

I was wondering if they have thought about an inside security transfer bus. it is very inconvenient to transfer from one airline ie. BA then have to leave security to go to AA's terminal to catch another flight. Just another reason not to take BA.

Quoting chepos (Reply 27):
US does not have a club at JFK

They only have 8 flights, so why would they?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2013-08-12 13:37:12 and read 10314 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 32):
I was wondering if they have thought about an inside security transfer bus. it is very inconvenient to transfer from one airline ie. BA then have to leave security to go to AA's terminal to catch another flight. Just another reason not to take BA.

If you are coming off an international flight, you would have to leave security anyway to clear customs and immigration....

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: HNL
Posted 2013-08-12 13:37:53 and read 10337 times.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 31):
They'll probably keep both lounges as there is no after security connector between Councourses B & C.

There is a US Air Club and an Admirals Club in the central concourse. US now occupies the old United Red Carpet Club. There is also a US Air Club in the north concourse. So my question is will the new airline combine the two lounges in the central concourse.

Also US operates an airside shuttle bus between the north can central concourses.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-08-12 13:48:22 and read 10178 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 33):
If you are coming off an international flight, you would have to leave security anyway to clear customs and immigration....

I get that, but I would rather after a long flight in February, I don't feel like going out of the terminal.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2013-08-12 14:04:20 and read 10131 times.

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):

AA completely renovated the D concourse at LGA in the last two or three years. The difference is amazing. Sadly I couldn't find any photos online that really show the improvement, but it's night and day. The C concourse, however, is still firmly in third world territory. AA has not been able to move forward with renovations on that concourse for a variety of reasons (UA/PANYNJ).

I could see UA eventually moving to US's current space at LGA and US moving to a renovated C concourse in the CTB. I'm not sure if that's enough space though for both operations. Of course, this is all temporary (we think) as someday, maybe, the PANYNJ will finally move forward with the planned new CTB.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 26):

I passed through DCA last week and was surprised to see UA is no longer sharing a concourse with AA there. In fact, that concourse is all US/AA now, so I'm sure they're quite content with that arrangement (aside from possibly wanting even more space). I guess the only major co-location to take place at DCA will have to do with the ticket counter, baggage service and operations areas.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-08-12 14:09:03 and read 10056 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 36):
the PANYNJ will finally move forward with the planned new CTB.

Its in the planning process now with plans to be complete I believe in 2021.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 36):
I could see UA eventually moving to US's current space at LGA

I don't think UA will want to be away from AC so I think WN, B6 and F9 will move to Terminal C, NK, AC and some of UA will be in concourse A with the rest of UA in A and part of AA/US in B and all of C and D.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: n7190jr
Posted 2013-08-12 14:43:17 and read 9777 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 28):
I saw it open for business today.

Yes, It just opened with in the last day or so.....It think it was paid for before the merger talks.

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):
Aren't US in the process of building a New Lounge over by C somewhere? I could've sworn I had seen some signs about construction. In any case that AA Terminal at LGA needs to buried and ressurected! Yeesh! Only flew through there once and dilapidated is an understatement. With Delta's C and D along with their effort to " Win in NY", AA better have some plans, of course that's just all IMHO.
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 12):
I think LGA is one of the biggest questions of all the airports. I don't think there is doubt that if they combine it will be in Terminal B but it remains to be seen if the other airlines will be willing to move etc...

Delta now controls the lease of Terminal C at LGA.....It is pretty much understood that once US Air's lease is up Delta will not renew it, as they need the extra gate space badly (LGA has more gate turns per day then ATL currently). What I think will happen:

American and US will merge operations in Terminal B. To make room, Jetblue will move to the Marine Air Terminal after Delta will make them an offer they can't refuse in terms of transferring the lease to them. Jetblue will be able to have there own branded terminal at LGA. Delta will then move the shuttle operation to Terminal C where US operated there shuttle originally (on the East side). Terminal C's US Airways club will be connected to the new sky Club (they share a wall back by the bar in the Sky club i believe) This of course is just an educated guess.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-08-12 14:51:39 and read 9748 times.

Quoting n7190jr (Reply 38):
To make room, Jetblue will move to the Marine Air Terminal after Delta will make them an offer they can't refuse in terms of transferring the lease to them.

Um, JetBlue today has 3 gates, with only 18 departures a day at LGA, they certainly don't need 6 gates nor will they want to take on an expensive lease for just 18 flights. I certainly think DL will want to move the shuttle to Terminal C and will probably do that when US' lease is up but JetBlue in this scenario would not be the only airline to move, they would probably put some bunch of B6, WN, NK or F9 at the marine air terminal in this scenario. The thing is there are not enough gates at LGA to just give B6 extra and take some from someone else. The only extra gate at LGA today is one of F9's 2 gates with 2 flights a day at separate times of the day.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-08-12 15:25:07 and read 9481 times.

Quoting HNL (Reply 34):
So my question is will the new airline combine the two lounges in the central concourse.

That seems the most logical. AA's club at DCA is tiny. Combining the two would give AA a far more substantial lounge space in that concourse - which they are going to need.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 36):
AA completely renovated the D concourse at LGA in the last two or three years. The difference is amazing.

It is dramatically nicer than it used to be. Although it's still horribly inadequate. AA definitely did do the absolute best that I think could be done, though.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 37):
plans to be complete I believe in 2021.


Eight years! In the interim, I agree with others that it makes the most sense for all the parties involved to work out a "grand bargain" where US moves into UA's current C space. I don't know if that will actually be feasible, though.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-08-12 15:30:28 and read 9430 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 40):
Eight years!

Oh I completly know that something will have to be done before hand, I was just saying people say "If the Port Authorirty starts the process" and I am just saying they already started the process.

Quoting commavia (Reply 40):
for all the parties involved to work out a "grand bargain" where US moves into UA's current C space.

I think it is feasible for AA/US to fit in concourses C and D but I don't think they will want to. I think they will want some gates on B too. I think Terminal A may just become the LGA LCC terminal.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-08-12 15:33:04 and read 9431 times.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 23):

Interesting to hear about AA doing the ground handling. In PHX we have been told that ATS will continue to work AA after they move in to T4 later this year (still TBD).

I didn't even think it was legal for US to work AA planes and vice versa, without a single contract or MOU from the unions.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2013-08-12 15:38:55 and read 9368 times.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
I didn't even think it was legal for US to work AA planes and vice versa, without a single contract or MOU from the unions.

If it is already outsourced work, it doesn't matter whom it is outsourced to....

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: wn676
Posted 2013-08-12 16:41:35 and read 9022 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 43):

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
I didn't even think it was legal for US to work AA planes and vice versa, without a single contract or MOU from the unions.

If it is already outsourced work, it doesn't matter whom it is outsourced to....


This is my understanding as well; US and AA can only do ground handling for one another if its done through a bid process, assuming the work is already outsourced and not in house. If US at JFK was in house and AA started handling their flghts I believe then you run in to scope problems.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: futureorthopod
Posted 2013-08-12 16:55:58 and read 8900 times.

Anyone know if/when US relocates to same terminal as AA @ LAX?

Might be some space constraints there, but figured I'd ask. Also, would Southwest try and claim/rent the resulting free gates in terminal 1?

Thanks!

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-08-12 17:11:59 and read 8848 times.

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 45):
Anyone know if/when US relocates to same terminal as AA @ LAX?

Might be some space constraints there, but figured I'd ask. Also, would Southwest try and claim/rent the resulting free gates in terminal 1?
Early this year it was announced US will be moving to T3 with WN taking over the rest of the T1 and renovating it. I don't know how the merger changes things, but considering it was announced back in January and US executives were already no doubt in discussions with AA about merging at that point, I assume the move will still happen. I can't find any info about when the relocation occurs however.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-08-12 17:14:33 and read 8804 times.

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 45):

US is already set to move out of T1 so WN can get the terminal to themselves and WN/LAX plan on renovating T1. My guess is instead of US moving to T3 they will move right to AA terminal.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: HNL
Posted 2013-08-12 17:21:56 and read 8789 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 47):
US is already set to move out of T1 so WN can get the terminal to themselves and WN/LAX plan on renovating T1. My guess is instead of US moving to T3 they will move right to AA terminal.

But why would AA/US willingly give up gates in a very gate controlled airport? I predict AA/US will hang onto the 3 or 4 gates that US will pick up in T3.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-08-12 17:29:21 and read 8713 times.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 18):
I wonder when US will at ORD. It's been on Concourse F in Terminal 2 for a long time. When TWA moved from Terminal 2 after the merger, TWA flights went out of L1. But, the TWA operation was a lot smaller than the US operation. So, it will be interesting to see where AA puts US operations.
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 20):
US moves to L Gates at ORD Sept/Oct

NK's current gates? Does NK get US's current T2 gates in the process?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-08-12 17:39:03 and read 8659 times.

The new combined AA will have gates A25-A30 at IAH.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: ripcordd
Posted 2013-08-12 17:42:26 and read 8632 times.

It would make sense to move NK/B6/VX to term 2 US gates at ORD but even if they dont move they can move eagle and fit them in

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2013-08-12 17:58:51 and read 8590 times.

For a terminal that 2 years ago were so under utilized, AA managed very well to bring additional revenue. During this time a lot of Oneworld partners moved to T8 at JFK. Now it looks like more of a busy airport.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-08-12 18:05:09 and read 8570 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 39):
I certainly think DL will want to move the shuttle to Terminal C

I certainly DON'T think!

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 41):
I think Terminal A may just become the LGA LCC terminal.

Not if Delta has any say in the matter.

From what I've heard, Delta is staying at Terminal A/Marine Air Terminal. It seems the HVCs like its convenience to Manhattan.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-12 19:42:13 and read 8096 times.

When will i be able to use my AA miles for US flights?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-08-12 19:42:18 and read 8107 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 53):
It seems the HVCs like its convenience to Manhattan.

It is definitely more convenient to get around in but it is not more convenient to get to Manhattan than any of the other terminals.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 53):
Not if Delta has any say in the matter.

You speak for Delta now?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-08-12 20:16:17 and read 8071 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 52):
For a terminal that 2 years ago were so under utilized, AA managed very well to bring additional revenue. During this time a lot of Oneworld partners moved to T8 at JFK. Now it looks like more of a busy airport.

They sure have. Sadly, the AA mega hub that Cary promised never came to fruition...but as Delta and B6 have grown, and T1 and T4 have gotten tight on space, AA has done a great job filling up that huge terminal. It is good for JFK as this terminal is perhaps the nicest at the airport.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 55):

It is definitely more convenient to get around in but it is not more convenient to get to Manhattan than any of the other terminals.

Perception is everything. It's like a half a mile closer and one exit closer. And in NYC, that means something

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: BOACCunard
Posted 2013-08-12 20:58:44 and read 7955 times.

Originally when DL and US were doing the LGA slot swap, wasn't US Shuttle supposed to move to the Marine Air Terminal?

If I were AA, I think I might want to resurrect that. Not sure DL would agree, though.

Or how about UA moving to Terminal C? Doesn't it actually belong to UA even though neither UA nor CO nor EA (for whom it was built) ever used it? Or does it officially belong to DL now?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: TSS
Posted 2013-08-12 21:58:31 and read 7841 times.

Quoting HNL (Reply 48):
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 47):
US is already set to move out of T1 so WN can get the terminal to themselves and WN/LAX plan on renovating T1. My guess is instead of US moving to T3 they will move right to AA terminal.

But why would AA/US willingly give up gates in a very gate controlled airport? I predict AA/US will hang onto the 3 or 4 gates that US will pick up in T3.

Until AA and US become fully integrated that makes sense. However, long-term it's a bit of a problem because connecting between T3 and T4 at LAX isn't convenient due to the need to exit one's arrival terminal, cross to the other side of the airport, and go through security again at the departure terminal.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2013-08-12 22:07:56 and read 7801 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 58):
Until AA and US become fully integrated that makes sense. However, long-term it's a bit of a problem because connecting between T3 and T4 at LAX isn't convenient due to the need to exit one's arrival terminal, cross to the other side of the airport, and go through security again at the departure terminal.

Nothing an airside bus would not fix.. T3>TBIT>T4>T4S service every 7 minutes. It is not ideal but what at LAX is?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-08-12 22:08:30 and read 7822 times.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 54):
When will i be able to use my AA miles for US flights?

Day 1 post-closure, which should happen by the end of next month.

From the employee merger integration page:

On Day One, US Airways and American will begin offering reciprocal mileage accrual for Dividend Miles and AAdvantage members on flights operated by US Airways/US Airways Express/US Airways Shuttle and American/American Eagle/AmericanConnection.

Remember to change the carrier code to AA when entering an AAdvantage number
- No retro credit will be given for flights taken prior to Day One
- Continue to enter Star Alliance numbers until US Airways exits the Star Alliance
- Do not enter oneworld carrier numbers unless we already have a current agreement in place (i.e. Royal Jordanian)
- Customers who have both a Dividend Miles account and an AAdvantage account cannot change their frequent flyer number after travel has begun

Additionally, US Airways and American will offer reciprocal mileage redemption for Dividend Miles and AAdvantage members on flights operated by US Airways and American on Day One.

- Mileage redemption must be booked and ticketed by Reservations
- AA and US miles cannot currently be combined (this will happen when the programs are combined at a later date)
- Travel must be booked and ticketed by US if using a Dividend Miles account, or AA if using an AAdvantage account
- Travel itineraries can contain both US and AA flight segments

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: HNL
Posted 2013-08-12 22:35:48 and read 7731 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 58):

Until AA and US become fully integrated that makes sense. However, long-term it's a bit of a problem because connecting between T3 and T4 at LAX isn't convenient due to the need to exit one's arrival terminal, cross to the other side of the airport, and go through security again at the departure terminal.

Buses to allow passengers to make airside connections between T3 and T4.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: TSS
Posted 2013-08-12 23:49:56 and read 7661 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 59):
Quoting TSS (Reply 58):
Until AA and US become fully integrated that makes sense. However, long-term it's a bit of a problem because connecting between T3 and T4 at LAX isn't convenient due to the need to exit one's arrival terminal, cross to the other side of the airport, and go through security again at the departure terminal.

Nothing an airside bus would not fix.. T3>TBIT>T4>T4S service every 7 minutes. It is not ideal but what at LAX is?

Fair enough. AA already have the buses in service from T4 to T4S, so adding another stop wouldn't hurt. Isn't there already a passageway from T4 to TBIT, or is that due to be torn down once the TBIT renovations are complete?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: AA767LOVER
Posted 2013-08-13 02:19:13 and read 7523 times.

LOL, like cohabitation before doing the full marriage deal.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: Sligo
Posted 2013-08-13 05:46:04 and read 7265 times.

Quoting Sligo (Reply 30):
Quoting chepos (Reply 27):
US does not have a club at JFK.

Yes, I know. Currently they have reciprocal access to the United Club in 7. A move to 8 would mean either entry into the AC or loss of all lounge access.

Hmmm...it seems like there is nothing announced on this currently for an early JFK move?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: HNL
Posted 2013-08-13 11:16:27 and read 6909 times.

Are these moves still going to happen given the merger being scuttled today.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: cageyjames
Posted 2013-08-13 11:37:31 and read 6886 times.

Quoting HNL (Reply 65):

I'd wager yes since US is moving to OneWorld. They'll be sharing more with AA no matter what happens with the merger.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2013-08-13 12:10:20 and read 6837 times.

Quoting HNL (Reply 65):
Are these moves still going to happen given the merger being scuttled today.

The merger isn't scuttled. US/AA will now simply have to give up more than they wanted to to get the deal done.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: nycdave
Posted 2013-08-13 14:20:26 and read 6678 times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 21):
AA is hosting so many oneworld airlines inside JFK T-8, and yet their flagship JV : JFK-LHR, is a split terminal operation, with no post-security transfer service.

Wonder if there's a way to steer O/D pax to the BA flights, and connecting pax to the AA metal...

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 37):
I don't think UA will want to be away from AC so I think WN, B6 and F9 will move to Terminal C, NK, AC and some of UA will be in concourse A with the rest of UA in A and part of AA/US in B and all of C and D.

That would make the most sense, I think. Unless DL is willing to let go of the MAT in order to consolidate everything, shuttle-inclusive, into C/D, the best option is to stick a few more LCCs into the current US gates at C.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 41):
I think Terminal A may just become the LGA LCC terminal.

That's an interesting idea, and it's been floated before, but DL has pretty stubbornly clung on to the MAT for the shuttle operation even when they've had the chance to ditch it.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-08-13 14:24:37 and read 6704 times.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 67):

The merger isn't scuttled. US/AA will now simply have to give up more than they wanted to to get the deal done.

It's not scuttled. But it's not not scuttled either. It's pretty much a jump ball right now. Don't fool yourself that this can't go either way at this point.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: 777ER
Posted 2013-08-28 06:10:00 and read 5675 times.

US operations out of T8 at JFK start tomorrow morning with the first scheduled outbound being US2063 scheduled 6:13 departure. They just repositioned the 4 RON aircraft from T7 to T8. Using gates 34,36,38 and 40 in C concourse. 3 A321s and 1 A319.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: flydeltajets
Posted 2013-08-28 08:11:56 and read 5344 times.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 70):
US operations out of T8 at JFK start tomorrow morning with the first scheduled outbound being US2063 scheduled 6:13 departure. They just repositioned the 4 RON aircraft from T7 to T8. Using gates 34,36,38 and 40 in C concourse. 3 A321s and 1 A319.

Is GSI still ground handling?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: ckfred
Posted 2013-08-28 08:25:23 and read 5332 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 58):
Until AA and US become fully integrated that makes sense. However, long-term it's a bit of a problem because connecting between T3 and T4 at LAX isn't convenient due to the need to exit one's arrival terminal, cross to the other side of the airport, and go through security again at the departure terminal.

I can attest to that. I connected at LAX, back when AA had the old QQ operation in T3. I actually wound up walking to T4, because the shuttle bus never came.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2013-08-28 08:28:59 and read 5293 times.

Quoting flydeltajets (Reply 71):
Is GSI still ground handling?

I believe that AA is now handling below the wing

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: jetblastdubai
Posted 2013-08-28 08:53:07 and read 5194 times.

Looks like UA might have access to some available gates at JFK and ORD. Think they might do anything with them or are they too short of planes yet?

WN just got a bonanza at LAX as well...probabably turn around and use them to US hubs.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: aa777jfklhr
Posted 2013-08-28 09:30:27 and read 5069 times.

AA is doing the below wing. Airways is doing the day line cabin cleaning, Airserv is doing the RON cleaning.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: HNL
Posted 2013-08-28 09:54:57 and read 4979 times.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 67):

The merger isn't scuttled. US/AA will now simply have to give up more than they wanted to to get the deal done.

The DOJ does not seem to interested in deeper concessions from AA

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 74):
Looks like UA might have access to some available gates at JFK and ORD. Think they might do anything with them or are they too short of planes yet?

UA will not be in a position to add gates at ORD. If US moves to the L gates at ORD, they will displace all or a combination of B6, NK, and VX, who would take the US gates in T2.

US has 3 gates in T2.
VX has 1 gate in T3
B6 has 1 gate in T3
NK has 2 gates in T3.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-08-28 10:01:27 and read 5008 times.

Does anybody else think this move was a little premature? It's especially awkward considering this merger may not go through...

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-08-28 10:23:52 and read 4939 times.

US could use the extra gate space at JFK.

T7 was a little tight for their operation.

Even if the merger never happens...US got better digs.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: jetblastdubai
Posted 2013-08-28 10:49:43 and read 4828 times.

Quoting HNL (Reply 76):
UA will not be in a position to add gates at ORD. If US moves to the L gates at ORD, they will displace all or a combination of B6, NK, and VX, who would take the US gates in T2.

I didn't think the L concourse was that full since DL left it. I would think that US could be wedged into H or K if there wasn't room on L. L is much, much nicer than the F gates US uses now so I don't see the LCCs wanting to move unless they're give a deal they can't refuse.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-08-28 11:40:14 and read 4686 times.

USAirways internal press release regarding the move .

US Airways Moves to Terminal 8 at JFK
US Airways flights took off Wednesday from their new home at Terminal 8, the American Airlines terminal at JFK. Previously located in Terminal 7, our two airlines now are side by side as we continue the merger planning process in preparation for merger close. Terminal 8 is bigger and newer, and provides a modern, attractive environment, which translates to an enhanced customer experience. American has complete responsibility for operating and maintaining the facility, in addition to having an experienced workforce in place to take care of the entire terminal building. Learn more about the move in this week's Arrivals.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-08-28 12:08:57 and read 4600 times.

Anyone have the full terminal history of US at JFK?

They were in TWA T5 for a while

Then BA T7

Then they left JFK for a while.

HP was in T6. When B6 expanded, HP moved to T7.

Then US restarted service to combat B6s entry to CLT and colocated with HP.

Now T8

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: mia305
Posted 2013-08-28 12:49:58 and read 4472 times.

As mentioned before about US moving into terminal D in MIA
they will not be moving there instead they'll be moving to
terminal E using gates E2 E4 E5 and E6. When AA opens the
new gates D28 D27 and D26 then US might relocate to terminal D.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: United1
Posted 2013-08-28 13:21:18 and read 4373 times.

Quoting HNL (Reply 76):
Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 74):
Looks like UA might have access to some available gates at JFK and ORD. Think they might do anything with them or are they too short of planes yet?

UA will not be in a position to add gates at ORD. If US moves to the L gates at ORD, they will displace all or a combination of B6, NK, and VX, who would take the US gates in T2.

Possibly.... I would need to look up who holds the master leases on the existing US gates. US has 3 gates at ORD, one of which is leased from DL, the other two are either leased from the city directly or are subleased from UA. US/AA would probably fit into the existing AA gates without moving any of the LCCs in concourse L....also would any of the LCCs want to move to T2? AA is not leasing them space....the city is leasing them gates directly.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: arielwar
Posted 2013-08-28 14:10:29 and read 4224 times.

Quoting mia305 (Reply 82):

You mean concourse E in the central terminal. I wonder if LAN and Tam are finally going to move to concourse E as well once BA IB move to the north terminal. Also by US moving out of the south terminal does UA takes it place?

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: HNL
Posted 2013-08-28 14:22:37 and read 4193 times.

Quoting arielwar (Reply 84):
You mean concourse E in the central terminal. I wonder if LAN and Tam are finally going to move to concourse E as well once BA IB move to the north terminal. Also by US moving out of the south terminal does UA takes it place?


As currently painted E2, E4, and possibly E6 are narrowbody gates, so no impact for LATAM.

[Edited 2013-08-28 14:23:33]

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: mia305
Posted 2013-08-28 19:21:23 and read 3890 times.

Quoting arielwar (Reply 84):
Quoting HNL (Reply 85):

E6 is capable of handling a 767. AB BA & IB use gates E8 E10 &
E11. Nothing has been mentioned about OW partners moving to
terminal D. US is planning to use gates E2 E4 & E6 not E5 as I mentioned.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: mia305
Posted 2013-08-28 19:24:07 and read 3892 times.

Isn't there enough space at JFK to expand T8 to accommodate
all of the OW partners instead of having connecting pax change
terminals & if there is why haven't they started on consturction to expand
the terminal.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-08-28 19:29:14 and read 3883 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 69):
It's not scuttled. But it's not not scuttled either. It's pretty much a jump ball right now. Don't fool yourself that this can't go either way at this point.

  

Quoting etops1 (Reply 80):
our two airlines now are side by side as we continue the merger planning process in preparation for merger close.

Ah. The "merger planning process." Almost like a tiptoe backwards. Better late than never.

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: deltacto
Posted 2013-08-29 03:49:37 and read 3504 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 81):
Anyone have the full terminal history of US at JFK?

If you want to go back all the way to Allegheny, they were in the Pan Am Worldport in 1973
http://www.departedflights.com/ALpanewterminal.html

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: deltacto
Posted 2013-08-29 03:55:33 and read 3507 times.

USAIR was in T5 with TWA in 1991
http://www.departedflights.com/JFK91.html

By 1995 they had moved to T7 with BA
http://www.departedflights.com/JFK95.html

Topic: RE: US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.
Username: ckfred
Posted 2013-08-29 08:02:54 and read 3275 times.

Quoting HNL (Reply 76):
The DOJ does not seem to interested in deeper concessions from AA

Both sides have said that they are open to further negotiations. Further, judges reguarly push litigants to negotiate. If the judge believes that DCA slots is the main issue, she will at some point sit both sides down and try to work out a settlement.

Quoting HNL (Reply 76):
UA will not be in a position to add gates at ORD. If US moves to the L gates at ORD, they will displace all or a combination of B6, NK, and VX, who would take the US gates in T2.

Is US taking over non-AA gates on L, or will it start using AA's mainline gates on L? When TWA moved over from E to L, it just used L1. Considering that VX has a "hip" image, I can't see it wanting to move to E, which is pretty dreary.


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