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Topic: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-14 12:05:42 and read 15961 times.

British Airways parent IAG is about to place an order for 62 A320ceo and A320neo aircraft for Vueling, plus 58 options. Additionally, the company will secure 100 A320neo options for BA, Iberia and Vueling.

> 30 A320ceo firm for Vueling
> 32 A320neo firm for Vueling
> 58 options for Vueling
> 100 A320neo options for Vueling, British Airways & Iberia

This premature news just came in on Twitter so expect more updates to come.

Source 1 http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/367722343373627394
Source 2 http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/367724591034421248

[Edited 2013-08-14 12:14:22]

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: timboflier215
Posted 2013-08-14 12:12:41 and read 15921 times.

Good news! With the rate these a/c are selling, I wonder how soon they will take delivery. Not sure how well this will go down with IB employees, where short haul continues to be shrunk....

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: TheRedBaron
Posted 2013-08-14 12:15:21 and read 15879 times.

The backlog for SA Airbus aircraft is gigantic... I gives some good footing on opening a new plant in the USA and the rumored second assy line for the A350...

Congrats Airbus

TRB

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-08-14 12:37:11 and read 15655 times.

No real surprise that IAG has gone for A320neos. With the options for BA & IB which will certainly be taken, it's another significant order for neo.   

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: UA787DEN
Posted 2013-08-14 12:44:56 and read 15554 times.

Any guesses on the powerplants for these birds? Vueling has a mix of CFM and IAEs on their currents 320s, so this is a good opportunity to consolidate and get common types. Lower costs a bit.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: chiad
Posted 2013-08-14 12:50:11 and read 15476 times.

The order could be gigantic!
In addition to the firm order there are options for 58 CEO's and 100 NEO's.
220 frames in total.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-14 12:51:41 and read 15445 times.

First deliveries will start in 2015.

http://www.abc.es/economia/20130814/...ido-aviones-para-201308142049.html

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: QANTASvJet
Posted 2013-08-14 15:57:02 and read 14437 times.

After years, even decades, when nothing much ever seemed to come out of first BA then IAG, the pace has certainly hotted up. More 787s and A350s for BA, then the possibility of the same for IB, and now up to 220 A320s. Note the way Willie Walsh is playing the IB (and to a lesser extent BA) unions - first by indicating he is ready to expand IB's long haul operations, but only if they stick to his plan, and now by ordering aircraft for Vueling, and with a possible follow-up, but airline for the follow-up to be decided. First the stick, now the carrot.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: Revelation
Posted 2013-08-14 16:46:00 and read 14210 times.

Congrats to Airbus and IAG!   

Great orders for a great airplane from a great customer!

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: columba
Posted 2013-08-14 22:27:26 and read 12753 times.

If that order really happens that means Iberia will loose most of their European and domestic flights to Vueling.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: seahawk
Posted 2013-08-15 00:06:33 and read 12004 times.

Which would not be bad. Considering that Iberia means Iberia Express today.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: Extra300
Posted 2013-08-15 00:14:10 and read 11908 times.

Airbus har logged a total of 9812 A320 family orders until July 2013. With this order there´s only 126 units left until the remarkable 10.000th order for the A320 family. WOW

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: FCAFLYBOY
Posted 2013-08-15 00:14:18 and read 11904 times.

and surely some of those options for IAG will be replacements for the famous BA 734's at LGW

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: worldrider
Posted 2013-08-15 00:36:44 and read 11703 times.

good good, i have also just read IAG is holding 32 options for the 350-900 and 12 for the 787-9. All that
is meant for Iberia..   

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: SelseyBill
Posted 2013-08-15 01:26:07 and read 11187 times.

Quoting columba (Reply 9):
If that order really happens that means Iberia will loose most of their European and domestic flights to Vueling.

Agree. The writing is on the wall for IB's European ops from MAD. Walsh is determined to drag the IB unions kicking and screaming into the new era in aviation, and you can't blame him. Legacy carriers are being eaten alive from below by the low-cost carriers, and from above by the ME3's, and he has to act to keep IAG alive, no matter how many Spaniards he upsets.

Hopefully the overtones of long haul expansion come to fruition, because being a prime pivotal hub for Europe to Central/ South America has to be the backbone for IB's business, in the same way that TATL is for BA.

Quality focus for L/H, low cost base Vueling ops for S/H has to be right for IB. In the long term IB will be much stronger for it.

Wonder how long it will be until we see more Vueling ops from MAD ?

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-08-15 02:34:12 and read 10650 times.

I tend to repeat myelf with every new such order, but I am amazed that there are still CEO slots available. I honestly thought the lines would be completely busy until the switch to NEO-only with the flurry of mega orders lately...

[Edited 2013-08-15 02:41:15]

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: GCT64
Posted 2013-08-15 02:35:31 and read 10651 times.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 12):
and surely some of those options for IAG will be replacements for the famous BA 734's at LGW

As BA operates about 100 A320 family aircraft from LHR, and they will be the priority for A320NEO replacement from the 100 NEO options (I assume the options will be able to be any of A319NEO/A320NEO/A321NEO with confirmation nearer the time they are built), I suspect LGW is either going to get A319/A320s passed down from LHR or it will change into a VY operation (to better compete with EZY et al). However, in any event, the end of the BA 734s is nigh.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-15 02:57:29 and read 10436 times.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):
I tend to repeat myelf with every new such order, but I am amazed that there are still CEO slots available. I honestly thought the lines would be completely busy until the switch to NEO-only with the flurry of mega orders lately...

Last February, there were about 300 CEO slots left. The number should be around 100 now, but there are still cancellations to come (like the Kingfisher order).

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: bluesky73
Posted 2013-08-15 03:06:26 and read 10348 times.

I don't think we will see many A319Neo, mostly A320Ns and couple dozen A321Ns.

Exciting times for BA/IB/IAG.

Maybe the G-EU** A319/320s will migrate south to LGW over next decade?

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: parapente
Posted 2013-08-15 03:08:28 and read 10335 times.

reply 13
good good, i have also just read IAG is holding 32 options for the 350-900 and 12 for the 787-9. All that
is meant for Iberia..


WHERE??

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-15 03:10:24 and read 10309 times.

Quoting parapente (Reply 19):
WHERE??

It was reported in the beginning of the month.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/k3nfat.jpg

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2013-08-15 03:10:33 and read 10311 times.

The company says it has negotiated a "very substantial discount" for the overall deal.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-08-15 03:17:44 and read 10245 times.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 21):
The company says it has negotiated a "very substantial discount" for the overall deal.

That's always the case  

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-08-15 03:20:41 and read 10202 times.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 21):
The company says it has negotiated a "very substantial discount" for the overall deal.

Hardly a surprise and perfectly normal with the potential order being over 200 units.   

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-08-15 05:15:30 and read 9259 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
Congrats to Airbus and IAG!   

Great orders for a great airplane from a great customer!

I can only second that.  .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 23):
Hardly a surprise and perfectly normal with the potential order being over 200 units.   

Indeed it is. Another firm boost for the A320 program and the neo-development.  

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: downtown273
Posted 2013-08-15 05:23:38 and read 9702 times.

Good news for Vueling!

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 1):
Not sure how well this will go down with IB employees, where short haul continues to be shrunk....

I hope it does not go down well. As others have said, this order will pretty much put an end to Domestic & European flights for Iberia. This needs to be a wake up call for Iberia staff.

Against what some of them believe, companies are not non-profit organizations and need profits to keep operating. Iberia has repeatedly failed to make the airline profitable. We've heard all their excuses for staff (economic crisis in Spain, Management, IAG, the latest being "British go home"). It's time to realize Domestic & European is gone, and if they don't change things, the company will go down and another entity (be it Vueling, Air Espana, IAG Spain, BA Spain, whatever) will take over the routes with a cost structure that is adapted to the current market.

The market demand is existent and growing; if Iberia can't make their operations profitable, they need to step out and others will make it work; and Vueling seems to be doing a pretty good job at this.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: par13del
Posted 2013-08-15 05:32:11 and read 9577 times.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 2):
I gives some good footing on opening a new plant in the USA and the rumored second assy line for the A350...

The unemployment situation in the EU is not improving that rapidly to send this mass of jobs overseas.

As these are more fuel efficient a/c and much better for the world climate, how much more would that weigh on the minds of investors and governments in terms of having a big backlog versus increasing production, creating additional jobs to get these a/c out sooner rather than later?

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: TheRedBaron
Posted 2013-08-15 05:37:08 and read 10032 times.

Quoting worldrider (Reply 13):
good good, i have also just read IAG is holding 32 options for the 350-900 and 12 for the 787-9. All that
is meant for Iberia..   

Ill keep this post as a reference when the usual: what is better 787 vs A350 ? creep up!


TRB

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: col
Posted 2013-08-15 06:28:58 and read 9592 times.

I think this just leaves AF/KL to decide on NEO, MAX or both?

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: JayBCNLON
Posted 2013-08-15 06:31:28 and read 9568 times.

Well, let's now hope that Vueling will get its act together:
- their systems were not able to produce any customer invoices between June and August (anybody here know any details about this? as a frequent VY traveller wanting to expense his flights I would be curious to know)
- their website collapses all the time, or prices flights in "pts" (I guess that means "puntos", not "Pesetas"), or does not accept foreign credit cards (who actually awarded them the 2013 Mejor Website Espanola award?)
- their customer service does not speak 1 word of English when you call them in Spain, and they think this is normal
- their seat pitch is criminally short, it feels like less than 28'' (can somebody actually get the measurements?)

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-08-15 06:31:39 and read 9628 times.

Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 14):
The writing is on the wall for IB's European ops from MAD.
Quoting downtown273 (Reply 25):
As others have said, this order will pretty much put an end to Domestic & European flights for Iberia.

This is what IAG CEO Willie Walsh says on the IAG web site about the Vueling order:


"Vueling has managed to successfully expand its business profitably by targeting both growth markets and those areas where weak competitors are reducing capacity. These new aircraft will enable Vueling to continue that expansion and replace some of its older fleet with modern, fuel efficient aircraft, leading to further unit cost reductions."

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: JayBCNLON
Posted 2013-08-15 06:48:14 and read 9417 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 30):
This is what IAG CEO Willie Walsh says on the IAG web site about the Vueling order:


"Vueling has managed to successfully expand its business profitably by targeting both growth markets and those areas where weak competitors are reducing capacity. These new aircraft will enable Vueling to continue that expansion and replace some of its older fleet with modern, fuel efficient aircraft, leading to further unit cost reductions."

Nicely said, but VY's growth comes mainly from the demise of Spanair, which again was rather a political decision by the Spanish government for IB (and against Catalunya's Spanair).

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: Markam
Posted 2013-08-15 07:38:35 and read 9063 times.

Quoting JayBCNLON (Reply 31):
Nicely said, but VY's growth comes mainly from the demise of Spanair, which again was rather a political decision by the Spanish government for IB (and against Catalunya's Spanair).

As far as I know Spanair ceased operations because of their financial situation and after their last attempt to tie-up with QR fell down, and there was nothing that the Spanish government or any Spanish region could do under European Union competition regulation, which does not allow public money to be used to help companies in detriment of others in the common market. It was not the first Spanish or European airline to go down in recent times for that reason, so I think that it is quite far fetched to interpret this as a "Spain vs. Catalonia" event.   

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2013-08-15 09:21:28 and read 8402 times.

A few questions / thoughts:

1 BA's original A320 family order in the late 1990s was, I think, for up to 188, a mix of orders, options and "commitments". Does anyone know how many actually got delivered, given that some went in BA spec to franchise operators, GB and BMED for example, and not all of those remain with BA today.

2 Are the 10 A320s being delivered from this year fitted with sharklets (and if not, why?)

3 Will the new-order ceos be fitted with sharklets?

4 A321neos for Open Skies??

The engine order will be interestring - a good test of PW's strategy to link V2500 and PW1100G sales

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-15 09:26:16 and read 8358 times.

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 33):
2 Are the 10 A320s being delivered from this year fitted with sharklets (and if not, why?)

Without, but I don't know why.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-15 11:05:03 and read 7647 times.

The press release can be found here:

http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zht...rticle_Print&ID=1847786&highlight=

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: BaconButty
Posted 2013-08-15 11:52:31 and read 7356 times.

Quoting par13del (Reply 26):
Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 2):
I gives some good footing on opening a new plant in the USA and the rumored second assy line for the A350...

The unemployment situation in the EU is not improving that rapidly to send this mass of jobs overseas.

  The US line for the A320 is happening already, and there's no indication on the location of any potential A350 second line . . .

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: AwysBSB
Posted 2013-08-15 12:49:33 and read 7046 times.

Is there any chance for some VY's A320 obtain ETOPS certification soon?
It would be great if IAG resumed FOR (or REC) and made VY compete with OR on AMS-LPA-FOR.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: mfc
Posted 2013-08-15 16:22:08 and read 6633 times.

Quoting JayBCNLON (Reply 29):
- their seat pitch is criminally short, it feels like less than 28'' (can somebody actually get the measurements?)

Vueling's seat pitch varies from 28" to 30", it depends on the plane, they have different configurations depending on where the airplane came from (brand new, Iberia, Spanair...). The most common pitch is 28".

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: JayBCNLON
Posted 2013-08-16 03:53:59 and read 6118 times.

Quoting Markam (Reply 32):
As far as I know Spanair ceased operations because of their financial situation and after their last attempt to tie-up with QR fell down, and there was nothing that the Spanish government or any Spanish region could do under European Union competition regulation, which does not allow public money to be used to help companies in detriment of others in the common market. It was not the first Spanish or European airline to go down in recent times for that reason, so I think that it is quite far fetched to interpret this as a "Spain vs. Catalonia" event.

The Catalonian government was a major shareholder of Spanair through some of its shareholdings. A bridge loan was required for the sale of JK to QR. That bridge loan had to be authorised by the Spanish government. QR had plans to station 15 777s in BCN, establishing Spanair and BCN as a clear alternatives to IBERIA and MAD. This move would have had a negative effect on the value of IBERIA and thus its share in IAG. That is when the Spanish government pulled the plug on Spanair in favor of IBERIA. With 2 million people marching for Catalonian independence at Catalunya Day last year, there is more "Spain vs Catalonia" in Catalonia than soccer.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-16 05:16:54 and read 5900 times.

And finally, here is the Airbus press release:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...62-airbus-a320-family-for-vueling/

Quote:
International Airlines Group (IAG) and Vueling have signed a purchase agreement to buy 62 Airbus A320s – 30 A320ceo and 32 A320neo – plus options for 58 A320 Family aircraft, as part of the airline’s fleet development and modernisation strategy.

Subject to shareholder approval, the deal is part of a wider IAG agreement for a total of up to 220 aircraft. Besides the up to 120 aircraft ordered for Vueling, IAG has signed a Memorandum of understanding (MoU) for 100 additional A320neo options that could be used by any airline in the group.


[Edited 2013-08-16 05:20:20]

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: JayBCNLON
Posted 2013-08-16 05:44:18 and read 5796 times.

Quoting mfc (Reply 38):
Vueling's seat pitch varies from 28" to 30", it depends on the plane, they have different configurations depending on where the airplane came from (brand new, Iberia, Spanair...). The most common pitch is 28".

Thanks this confirms my impressions. I guess the aircraft I was on yesterday AMS-BCN VY8323 was ex-Spanair at 28'', at least that is what the flight attendant told the fellow pax sitting in 25D, who was complaining about the seat coming apart. I find it especially difficult as Dutch people are the tallest people in the world - and AMS gets a 28'' A320.

Do you know what the seat pitch will be on new aircraft presently joining the fleet or coming in the future?

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: mfc
Posted 2013-08-16 10:54:31 and read 5320 times.

Quoting JayBCNLON (Reply 41):
Do you know what the seat pitch will be on new aircraft presently joining the fleet or coming in the future?

AFAIK they are going to be the same, 180 passengers configuration with 28" seat pitch except for the 3 rows in the front that have a little more. It is the maximum capacity for A320s if I'm not mistaken.

I flew on a Spanair A320 two years ago and it was the worst seat pitch I've ever experienced. I'm 183cm tall and I couldn't move because my knees were hitting the seat in front of me. I think that the problem with ex-Spanair planes is that they have 28" pitch with older generation seats that are not designed for that. Other Vueling's and some Iberia's planes have 28" pitch but they have Recaro slim seats, so even though it feels tight, it is bearable, at least for me.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: JayBCNLON
Posted 2013-08-16 11:46:44 and read 5255 times.

Quoting mfc (Reply 43):
I flew on a Spanair A320 two years ago and it was the worst seat pitch I've ever experienced. I'm 183cm tall and I couldn't move because my knees were hitting the seat in front of me. I think that the problem with ex-Spanair planes is that they have 28" pitch with older generation seats that are not designed for that. Other Vueling's and some Iberia's planes have 28" pitch but they have Recaro slim seats, so even though it feels tight, it is bearable, at least for me.

l

I think you are absolutely spot on. The Recaro seats of Vueling's ex-Spanair seats are much thicker than those of their A320neo s - both of which I flew on this year. The ex-Spanair pitch is just unbearable, while on their new A320neo with slim LH-type seats it was ok. I hope that Vueling will replace the old seats soon.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-16 11:55:49 and read 5205 times.

@JayBCNLON the A320neo has yet to enter service.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: r2rho
Posted 2013-08-28 06:22:27 and read 4172 times.

Quoting columba (Reply 9):
If that order really happens that means Iberia will loose most of their European and domestic flights to Vueling.
Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 14):
Wonder how long it will be until we see more Vueling ops from MAD ?

Depends on what happens with IB express, which is currently held up in the courts. Already, regardless of this order, IB does not do non-MAD p2p flying - that has been left to VY and Air Nostrum. VY does not operate from MAD, and if IB Express goes through, there is no need for them to. But if it doesn't, I agree that WW will push VY through at MAD and kill the little IB mainline shorthaul that remains.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):
I tend to repeat myelf with every new such order, but I am amazed that there are still CEO slots available. I honestly thought the lines would be completely busy until the switch to NEO-only with the flurry of mega orders lately...

There are probably still slots around the end of CEO production that are open (the 2015 date seems to confirm this)

Quoting JayBCNLON (Reply 29):
- their seat pitch is criminally short, it feels like less than 28'' (can somebody actually get the measurements?)

Agree - I even paid extra for sitting in one of the front rows and it was still criminal, I guess I caught an ex-JK bird. I felt robbed as I had paid more for nothing (well, the included bag). VY really needs to fix this and make the first 6 rows or so at least 30" with slim seats, if they are to attract higher yields and business traffic.

Quoting JayBCNLON (Reply 31):
VY's growth comes mainly from the demise of Spanair.

You can be glad as JK had no future and VY has grown BCN to an extent JK could not even dream of.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 30):
These new aircraft will enable Vueling to continue that expansion and replace some of its older fleet

The interesting part will be how much of it is expansion... I can certainly see VY extending into more European markets, like they have done in Germany this year.

Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 7):
First the stick, now the carrot.

If he had shown the carrot from the beginning, rather than just hitting with the stick for all of the past year, it would have saved him a lot of union conflicts.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: Lofty
Posted 2013-08-29 01:46:25 and read 3535 times.

What is interesting is in the IAG Shareholders Meeting pack it says:
Resolution 1
“Purchase of 18 Boeing 787 aircraft by British Airways PLC”
Resolution 2
“Purchase of 18 A350 aircraft by British Airways PLC”
Resolution 3
“Purchase of 30 Airbus A320ceo aircraft and 32 Airbus A320neo aircraft by Vueling Airlines S.A.”
No mention of IB

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-29 02:05:58 and read 3461 times.

Quoting Lofty (Reply 46):
No mention of IB

IAG also secured 32x A350 and 12x 787 options for IB.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2013-08-29 05:41:09 and read 3151 times.

Quoting Lofty (Reply 46):
No mention of IB

You will also note that the general meeting is not approving the options that are taken out either for any of the IAG airlines.

If I recall the original announcement the 350s/787s for IB were agreed slots/purchase rights to be taken up if IB turns around. So these potential purchases would seem to be a level down the scale from options.

It seems the 'norm' at IAG to only put firm orders to the shareholders - so its not surprising that the IB wide bodies are not yet up for approval

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-08-30 00:08:51 and read 2695 times.

Who won the engine order? I would expect it to be highly contested and possibly even split, though most likely with one vendor.

Quoting columba (Reply 9):

If that order really happens that means Iberia will loose most of their European and domestic flights to Vueling.

Ok... They have the product. The reality is the Spanish unions do not want to concede. That's ok. But whatever they want, IAG either cuts costs or will go the way of PanAm. While I won't claim to be happy with this strategy, it at least keeps them viable.

Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 14):
he has to act to keep IAG alive, no matter how many Spaniards he upsets.

  

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):
I am amazed that there are still CEO slots

Ditto. But if Airbus sells too many, it would just cover conversions and cancellations. The only thing is so many A320s have been sold, there isn't room to push out NEO deliveries...

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 21):
The company says it has negotiated a "very substantial discount" for the overall deal.

   One doesn't pay the same price buying 220 trucks as one or a dozen... There was leverage to negotiate.

Quoting par13del (Reply 26):
The unemployment situation in the EU is not improving that rapidly to send this mass of jobs overseas.

So? Seriously. Airbus needs to work on keeping costs down. If an A350 assembly line works in the USA, then it works. Assembling A320s here was an astute political move. If Airbus needs a jobs program, put an assembly line in Spain. They have the skills and certainly people would want the jobs in this economy. Assuming the right package to be economically competitive...

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-08-30 01:18:33 and read 2546 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 49):
Who won the engine order?

An engine choice will be announced later.

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-08-30 16:43:48 and read 2128 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 50):
An engine choice will be announced later.

I'm not surprised. Make them bid against each other. IMHO, this will be a tough fought for order.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling
Username: mfc
Posted 2013-08-31 00:35:16 and read 1970 times.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 45):
VY does not operate from MAD

Vueling operates from MAD to limited destinations, such as BCN, IBZ, FLR, FCO, CDG, MAH a little more. I say limited because they are limited at MAD like Iberia Express, currently both airlines are not permitted to expand at MAD and take Iberia's routes.


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