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Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-08-28 16:10:55 and read 22256 times.

United is due to announce a new Transpac service from SFO on Thursday.

According to its media advisory, UA will be the first US airline serving the route.

Any guesses?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: ryu2
Posted 2013-08-28 16:12:51 and read 22288 times.

Must be the SFO-TPE which was previously announced a long time ago.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2013-08-28 16:16:30 and read 22217 times.

MEL-SFO? Given the downgrade from B744 to B777 on SFO-SYD and LAX-SYD?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-08-28 16:16:54 and read 22212 times.

Guangzhou is my guess. I think UA could make it work with a 787 - and if any U.S. hub/gateway could support it, it would be San Francisco. Or possibly Auckland.

[Edited 2013-08-28 16:17:35]

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2013-08-28 16:20:38 and read 22120 times.

SFO-Ganghzou on a 787, But I am wondering if there are other new 787 routes being considered too, like out of EWR and IAH and ORD.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2013-08-28 16:40:17 and read 21855 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):

SFO-Ganghzou on a 787, But I am wondering if there are other new 787 routes being considered too, like out of EWR and IAH and ORD.

They will get their 8th 787 next month. I don't know that they'll announce too many more 787 routes given that they will only have (most likely) nine a/c by the end of this year. They are currently serving NRT from LAX and DEN, LOS from IAH and PVG from LAX. I'd think they'd need a total of at least ten (to account for a spare) to launch a new long haul route.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-08-28 16:48:34 and read 21723 times.

Mel maybe? Might do very well and be very profitable? If not something in China would be my guess.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: legacyins
Posted 2013-08-28 16:49:01 and read 21740 times.

I am going with CTU. There was talk at the Fortune Global Fourm this past summer about United starting a route to SFO. My guess also is that it will be on a 787.

It is not TPE as it is already bookable on UA.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: MSYtristar
Posted 2013-08-28 16:51:44 and read 21699 times.

SFO-AKL? Just guessing here. It makes sense from a connectivity standpoint, but I don't know if the market is big enough for both UA and NZ service.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: speedbird0125
Posted 2013-08-28 17:03:17 and read 21566 times.

I guess it would be either AKL or some cities in China.
What do you guys think about ICN? Is there any possibilities that SFO-ICN will be switched to the 787s, or any other new flights to ICN?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: codc10
Posted 2013-08-28 17:04:29 and read 21504 times.

Believe it will be Chengdu with a 4-5x weekly 787.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: civetfive
Posted 2013-08-28 17:08:30 and read 21437 times.

SFO-TPE was a long standing route, it wouldn't be new.

I think that SFO-SZX or SFO-CAN are decent bets.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: PA515
Posted 2013-08-28 17:40:16 and read 21163 times.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
SFO-AKL? Just guessing here. It makes sense from a connectivity standpoint, but I don't know if the market is big enough for both UA and NZ service.

Doubt it would be AKL as that would void the codeshare agreement with NZ.

UA codeshares on NZ between the US and New Zealand, NZ codeshares on UA between the US and Australia.

PA515

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: nomorerjs
Posted 2013-08-28 17:43:56 and read 21137 times.

Is SFO the rumor for the EWR/IAH/ORD-ICN route announcement?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-08-28 17:48:34 and read 21049 times.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 12):
Doubt it would be AKL as that would void the codeshare agreement with NZ.

Is there a rule that says that UA and NZ can't both fly the same route and code share on each other's flights? That's like DL and AF both flying ATL-CDG or MSP-CDG.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: PA515
Posted 2013-08-28 17:57:06 and read 20953 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):
Is there a rule that says that UA and NZ can't both fly the same route and code share on each other's flights? That's like DL and AF both flying ATL-CDG or MSP-CDG.

It's slightly different as NZ withdrew from LAX-SYD and LAX-HNL, while UA withdrew from LAX-AKL. To my knowledge the full text of the codeshare agreement has never been released.

PA515

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-08-28 17:57:37 and read 20951 times.

My guesses: Canton, Shenzen, TPE. Or maybe somewhere in Viet Nam.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2013-08-28 18:06:18 and read 20845 times.

Don't think they will fly to AKL after the balls up they made when they tried to go for Huston the other year. some people say until wheels touch down on tarmac then it won't happen..

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2013-08-28 18:07:46 and read 20848 times.

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 13):

Could be, we will have to see.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: jayhup
Posted 2013-08-28 18:19:26 and read 20685 times.

HA flies to AKL so it won't be that...

JH

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2013-08-28 18:37:35 and read 20519 times.

The may look at SFO-AKL-MEL and make their LAX-SYD-MEL a LAX terminator. Reducing from 744 to 777 on the LAX-SYD may have increased passengers loads whereby they feed LAX-MEL passengers to SFO.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: JohnClipper
Posted 2013-08-28 19:28:17 and read 20142 times.

Won't be SZX when they have HKG right there. Transferring from HKG to Shenzhen via ferry with no need to clear immigration in HKG works just fine to get to SZX.

Probably will be CAN or CTU.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2013-08-28 19:40:00 and read 20047 times.

Why does it have to be from SFO?    I'm still waiting for IAH-AKL!   

My guess is is actually MNL. It's a huge hole for UA's TPAC network from CONUS, outside AKL.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: NZ107
Posted 2013-08-28 19:42:33 and read 20016 times.

http://www.wcarn.com/cache/news/26/26682.html

This article points to CTU unfortunately.. I'd love to see them restart services to AKL.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: United1
Posted 2013-08-28 19:44:22 and read 20006 times.

Quoting codc10 (Reply 10):
Believe it will be Chengdu with a 4-5x weekly 787.


That is the rumor on another couple of sites....supposedly starting in April 2014.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2013-08-28 19:44:23 and read 20965 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 23):

I had a feeling it was going to be this. Didn't a delegation from CTU meet with SFO city planners and discuss flights not too long ago? I know there was a thread about it.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: boilerla
Posted 2013-08-28 20:06:52 and read 20744 times.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):

I am going with CTU. There was talk at the Fortune Global Fourm this past summer about United starting a route to SFO. My guess also is that it will be on a 787.

I'd guess CTU also. It make sense as CTU is a large financial center, and SFO is the financial center of the west. CTU has also become a high tech center within China, with Intel, Dell, Oracle, Symantec and other silicon valley mainstays setting up offices in CTU recently.

Also interestingly CTU had a large paid advertisement spread in the past UA in-flight magazine. Hardly compelling but I thought it was interesting a Chinese city took out a paid advertisement in a flight magazine for an airline that doesn't yet serve the city.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: legacyins
Posted 2013-08-28 20:20:13 and read 21217 times.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 26):

I flew SFO-ORD this past weekend on UA and saw the same Chengdu advertisement. I wonder if the local Gov't in CTU is providing any type of subsidy for the flight.

When I was in China, I remember seeing the Intel Commercials with The CEO dressed up in a Panda outfit and saying " Can do Chengdu".

[Edited 2013-08-28 20:40:35]

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-28 20:37:20 and read 20958 times.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
MEL-SFO?

Probably not as they say "first US airline" whereas MEL would make them the first airline.

That said, I think MEL non-stop and terminating SYD-MEL is a real possibility in the future as more 787s arrive.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):
SFO-Ganghzou on a 787

That would make a lot of sense, but I think that CTU could be a good add as well. Either way, I see both happening sooner or later.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: 777ER
Posted 2013-08-28 21:07:11 and read 20345 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Or possibly Auckland.

I would really like to see a IAH, DEN, ORD or EWR service with either UA or NZ.

NZ has SFO well covered especially with the two additional 77Ws on order enabling SFO to go 77W daily

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-08-28 21:34:10 and read 19872 times.

Quoting jayhup (Reply 19):
HA flies to AKL so it won't be that...

But not direct non-stop from SFO. Having said that, there is no need for UA to ply this route with their own metal as their alliance and codeshare partner NZ already does.

How about SFO-BNE-MEL as an outside horse?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: civetfive
Posted 2013-08-28 21:43:18 and read 19834 times.

SFO-CTU is 6870 miles, about the same distances as SFO-HKG. Its also CA's third hub.

I guess they see enough premium demand to justify overflying PEK, but I don't view serving CTU with a ton of urgency. AC isn't about to start it, neither will AA. DL could from NRT, but not as a US nonstop.

Does anyone have O&D PDEW stats for SFO-CTU and SJC-CTU? This will give us some idea of how much of overall CTU demand is going to be connections.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: United1
Posted 2013-08-28 22:13:27 and read 19293 times.

Interesting article on the growing number of airlines that are launching service to inner China....CTU is specifically mentioned.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-chinese-cities-with-the-787-87000

"Now United Airlines looks set to be the first North American carrier to introduce non-stop service to secondary cities, with CEO Jeff Smisek telling local media that its Boeing 787s will open cities like Chengdu, Chongqing, Xi'an and Wuhan."

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-08-28 22:39:50 and read 18958 times.

Keep in mind China's "Go West" economic policy has seen many companies and industries leave the coast and move inland in search of lower cost and more space. Things like low taxes and other incentives are seeing both Western and Chinese firms set up shop.

The Chengdu metropolis in particular is looking to become financial capital and along with other inland cities like Chongqing have become large cargo export markets (eg all the Apple products from Foxconn).

Such new service could give United a nice first move advantage and further build its strong footprint in China.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: aerohottie
Posted 2013-08-28 23:23:15 and read 18364 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 30):
How about SFO-BNE-MEL as an outside horse?

hmmmm that would be lovely thank you  

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: klwright69
Posted 2013-08-28 23:53:31 and read 18009 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):

SFO-Ganghzou on a 787, But I am wondering if there are other new 787 routes being considered too, like out of EWR and IAH and ORD.

They will get their 8th 787 next month. I don't know that they'll announce too many more 787 routes given that they will only have (most likely) nine a/c by the end of this year. They are currently serving NRT from LAX and DEN, LOS from IAH and PVG from LAX. I'd think they'd need a total of at least ten (to account for a spare) to launch a new long haul route.

SEA-NRT and SFO-KIX are also going 787.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: bogoss
Posted 2013-08-29 00:24:12 and read 17858 times.

Well, the press conference was finished a while ago, i guess it's pretty clear now, when North America wakes up there should be the English versions...

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: B2443
Posted 2013-08-29 00:29:33 and read 17938 times.

SFO-CTU, 3 weekly nonstop starting Jun 2014, already announced at a UA's press release in China.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: COSPN
Posted 2013-08-29 01:21:57 and read 17352 times.

SFO-GUAM (787) Guam is the only hub and largest US territory with no flight to the Mainland US

SFO-MNL (787) would be a winner also, as a former USA commonwealth (1898-1946) lots of pax VFR and OFW's to almost every city in the USA and Canada.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: Aaron747
Posted 2013-08-29 02:21:11 and read 16765 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 22):
My guess is is actually MNL. It's a huge hole for UA's TPAC network from CONUS, outside AKL.

MNL has a large market catchment from California, but the yields are really poor. Safe bet this is something in China, especially with a Silly Valley connection.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: itrade
Posted 2013-08-29 02:34:46 and read 16638 times.

Interesting. I used to do a lot of business in CTU. Double connecting was always a challenge back then.

CTU is an amazing place. Probably one of the largest cities in the world that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of...

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: justinlee
Posted 2013-08-29 02:40:56 and read 16773 times.

It's CTU...Actually CTU has a surprsingly large Silicon Valley company base. For example, Intel has one of the largest chip factory in Chengdu. So I hope this route goes well.

Now it will be the 8th long-haul international route of CTU:

CTU-FRA by CA
CTU-AMS by KLM
CTU-YVR by 3U
CTU-MEL by 3U
CTU-LHR by BA
CTU-DOH by QR
CTU-AUH by EY
CTU-SFO by UA

[Edited 2013-08-29 02:45:20]

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-08-29 04:42:16 and read 15444 times.

Quoting justinlee (Reply 41):
CTU-FRA by CA
CTU-AMS by KLM
CTU-YVR by 3U
CTU-MEL by 3U
CTU-LHR by BA
CTU-DOH by QR
CTU-AUH by EY
CTU-SFO by UA

Doesn't the CTUYVR service make a stop around Shenyang before continuing ?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-08-29 05:52:04 and read 14553 times.

Quoting B2443 (Reply 37):
SFO-CTU, 3 weekly nonstop starting Jun 2014, already announced at a UA's press release in China.

This is the perfect combination of the right hub/gateway meeting the right aircraft to support a route that no other hub-aircraft combination would likely be able to support. Very, very cool.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-08-29 05:55:43 and read 14526 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 43):
This is the perfect combination of the right hub/gateway meeting the right aircraft to support a route that no other hub-aircraft combination would likely be able to support. Very, very cool.

I was about to post the same thing, this is a route that would not be possible with an A330 from Seattle or a 777 from LAX. There are similar potential routes both in China and India.

[Edited 2013-08-29 05:56:53]

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: jayunited
Posted 2013-08-29 06:40:57 and read 13665 times.

I'm not going to speculate on what the possible route or routes could be ill wait for the actual announcement. But what I have noticed is most people believe this new destination will be served by the 787. So my question is how many 787's both 8 and perhaps 9's will UA take delivery of in 2014? With all the routes that have and will go 787 this year and next year UA does have a quite a few spare 772ER's, so will some of these routes perhaps LAX-NRT or LAX-PVG go back to the 772ER to free up some 787's or will UA have enough 787 frames on hand in 2014 to launch whatever this new route might be with the 787?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: United1
Posted 2013-08-29 07:17:43 and read 13173 times.

Quoting bogoss (Reply 36):
when North America wakes up there should be the English versions...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...lines-applies-u-dot-140500082.html

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2013-08-29 07:21:37 and read 13123 times.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 45):
I'm not going to speculate on what the possible route or routes could be ill wait for the actual announcement. But what I have noticed is most people believe this new destination will be served by the 787. So my question is how many 787's both 8 and perhaps 9's will UA take delivery of in 2014? With all the routes that have and will go 787 this year and next year UA does have a quite a few spare 772ER's, so will some of these routes perhaps LAX-NRT or LAX-PVG go back to the 772ER to free up some 787's or will UA have enough 787 frames on hand in 2014 to launch whatever this new route might be with the 787?

Announcement was already made   CTU 3x/week

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-08-29 07:36:23 and read 12898 times.

Here is the proposed schedule.

Effective June 11, 2014.

Mon/Wed/Sat
UA8 SFO-CTU 1335-1850+1

Mon/Wed/Fri
UA7 CTU-SFO 1000-0850

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Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: a380787
Posted 2013-08-29 07:39:02 and read 12776 times.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 45):
I'm not going to speculate on what the possible route or routes could be ill wait for the actual announcement. But what I have noticed is most people believe this new destination will be served by the 787. So my question is how many 787's both 8 and perhaps 9's will UA take delivery of in 2014? With all the routes that have and will go 787 this year and next year UA does have a quite a few spare 772ER's, so will some of these routes perhaps LAX-NRT or LAX-PVG go back to the 772ER to free up some 787's or will UA have enough 787 frames on hand in 2014 to launch whatever this new route might be with the 787?


press release confirms 787. wanna see how long the route will need to mature before going daily. the route is a real game changer since US airlines are no longer stuck in the PEK/PVG mentality.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: psa1011
Posted 2013-08-29 07:41:40 and read 12616 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 48):
Here is the proposed schedule.

Effective June 11, 2014.

Mon/Wed/Sat
UA8 SFO-CTU 1335-1850+1

Mon/Wed/Fri
UA7 CTU-SFO 1000-0850

I thought there was no more gate space for United around mid-day, but I guess I was wrong.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: AADC10
Posted 2013-08-29 08:16:34 and read 12069 times.

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 50):
I thought there was no more gate space for United around mid-day, but I guess I was wrong.

Concourse E should be open by then and UA can shuffle some domestic flights around to make space.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: fun2fly
Posted 2013-08-29 08:56:04 and read 11453 times.

Does UA still have the SFO>CAN rights? I would have bet that this new route was to CAN. I wonder if this is driven by the corporate contract clients request? It's certainly a new approach for UA to launch a non-daily route. I imagine this will prove future route approaches with Wuhan, CAN, etc.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: United1
Posted 2013-08-29 09:01:35 and read 11357 times.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 51):
Concourse E should be open by then and UA can shuffle some domestic flights around to make space.

I didn't realize that the opening date was that soon....they are making progress clearly then.

You are quite right thought UA can very easily tow the aircraft over to F for departures...3 or 4 of the gates should be able to handle the 787. They used to operate quite a few 747 flights out of that concourse years ago.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 52):
Does UA still have the SFO>CAN rights?

No they let the authority lapse but there are plenty of unused US-China frequencies available right now so it would be easy enough to pick CAN rights up if they wanted.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: jetblastdubai
Posted 2013-08-29 09:16:06 and read 11098 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 53):
No they let the authority lapse

Do all route authorities lapse or can some be dusted off and used again? ie. ORD-ICN, LAX-GRU

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-08-29 09:23:20 and read 11004 times.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 54):
Do all route authorities lapse or can some be dusted off and used again? ie. ORD-ICN, LAX-GRU

Authorities have a dormancy period. Basically use them or lose them.

However something like ORD-ICN could start tomorrow as S. Korea has openskies agreement with the US.
LAX-GRU however would not be possible due to limited available authorities and fact that AA just received the route.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: superjeff
Posted 2013-08-29 09:26:31 and read 10933 times.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 15):


It's slightly different as NZ withdrew from LAX-SYD and LAX-HNL, while UA withdrew from LAX-AKL. To my knowledge the full text of the codeshare agreement has never been released

NZ couldn't carry local traffic LAX-HNL under any circumstances as that is a U.S. domestic route. And NZ may still have 1-2x weekly AKL-HNL (which UA canceled years ago). Stranger things have happened.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: jetblastdubai
Posted 2013-08-29 09:28:19 and read 10906 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 55):
LAX-GRU however would not be possible due to limited available authorities

Oh well, Open Skies with Brazil will solve that problem in a couple years. How packed is GRU airport?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: psa1011
Posted 2013-08-29 09:31:07 and read 10895 times.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 57):
Oh well, Open Skies with Brazil will solve that problem in a couple years. How packed is GRU airport?

I hear it's packed at various times of day. I think if UA were to restart GRU from the west coast, though, it would be from SFO.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: jetblastdubai
Posted 2013-08-29 09:48:39 and read 10565 times.

Quoting superjeff (Reply 56):
And NZ may still have 1-2x weekly AKL-HNL (which UA canceled years ago). Stranger things have happened.

NZ runs HNL/AKL on MWF. Great daily loop to close by UA and only needing one extra plane (763) as new metal arrives. Would give *A daily service. HNL has non-stops from every UA hub except for CLE and would be a great place for a cnx compared to LAX. Two 9-hour flights are better than a 4 and a 14.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: prchan
Posted 2013-08-29 10:12:00 and read 10159 times.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 57):
How packed is GRU airport?

Currently it is really packed. No gates available on peak times, and no parking spots for new aircraft spend the day.

By 2Q14 the new terminal should be ready, and new gates/parking spots available.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: Surfandsnow
Posted 2013-08-29 10:24:45 and read 9915 times.

In spite of all the recent rumors, I really didn't expect this to happen. Then again, I don't think any UA announcement will ever shock me as much as KWI did!

The 787 really is an amazing tool for UA, which previously was limited to very premium-heavy sUA 747s and 777s and a limited number of equally large sCO 777s (22). I certainly expected the 787 to assume secondary transpacific routes (i.e. LAX-PVG, SEA-NRT, SFO-KIX, perhaps also IAD-PEK) and "connect the dots" (i.e. DEN-NRT nonstop, perhaps resume SFO-NGO, LAX-MEL nonstops, etc.), but I really didn't expect them to overfly partner hubs at ICN, NRT, and PEK to serve CTU with their own metal. In terms of new routes, I would have expected SFO-CAN, SFO-FUK, or even SFO-MNL before this. In any case, I'm sure UA has done its homework and will do well.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: TWA85
Posted 2013-08-29 10:45:08 and read 9679 times.

SFO-CTU will be a great addition to the UA trans-Pacific network. Another big missing route that UA should considor re-starting is LAX-HKG. LAX-HKG has a large local market and is only served non-stop by CX.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-08-29 10:46:11 and read 9677 times.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 52):
I wonder if this is driven by the corporate contract clients request?

...hint hint.... Apple

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: jetblastdubai
Posted 2013-08-29 10:52:52 and read 9535 times.

Quoting TWA85 (Reply 62):
Another big missing route that UA should considor re-starting is LAX-HKG.

UAL1 was a -400 LAX/HKG for years. Not sure why is got scrapped if it was such a good market.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: civetfive
Posted 2013-08-29 10:54:42 and read 9487 times.

Quoting justinlee (Reply 41):

But this makes sense for European and ME carriers, as CTU is much closer than PEK/PVG/HKG, requires less fuel, and significantly less backtracking for anyone going to Sichuan, Guangdong, etc. It actually makes perfect sense to me that European and ME carriers would want to try the bigger western cities on the rise (AY just opened XIY this summer too, and I think that the Shaanxi region is up and coming in a big way).

I'm hoping that UA can make this work, and obviously this it the "promise" of the 787 that we all want and hope for, but I do remain a bit skeptical.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-08-29 10:55:20 and read 9500 times.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 64):
Not sure why is got scrapped if it was such a good market.

Loads were not the problem.

1) 2008 fuel run up to $140/bbl
2) Yields. Half the flight was ethnic Saigon destined traffic.

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: sennabestever
Posted 2013-08-29 11:05:57 and read 9312 times.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
MEL-SFO? Given the downgrade from B744 to B777 on SFO-SYD and LAX-SYD?

I must of missed this? I just searched the forum and didn't see anything on it either? When is UA cutting back to 777's to Australia?

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: United1
Posted 2013-08-29 11:12:53 and read 9314 times.

Quoting sennabestever (Reply 67):
When is UA cutting back to 777's to Australia?
UA is replacing the 744s with 777s in the spring.

UA SFO-KIX 787, US-Australia 777, 744 Back To ORD (by LAXintl Aug 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)

SFO-KIX also goes 788 in April
ORD-FRA, NRT and PVG will also go back to being operated by 744s.
SFO-CTU & SFO-TPE will also launch

Lots of changes next Spring for UA across the Pacific...

Edit: Just to clarify something LAX/SFO-SYD will be operated by 3 class 777s.

[Edited 2013-08-29 11:16:48]

Topic: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: AADC10
Posted 2013-08-29 11:17:42 and read 9159 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 53):
I didn't realize that the opening date was that soon....they are making progress clearly then.

Concourse E was supposed to open in October but I believe it was pushed back to Feb 2014 at the earliest. By June still seems to be likely for completion if there are further delays but even if E is not ready I am sure it will not stop SFO-CTU.

Topic: RE: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: bogoss
Posted 2013-08-29 12:36:49 and read 8185 times.

Quoting civetfive (Reply 31):

SFO-CTU is 6870 miles, about the same distances as SFO-HKG. Its also CA's third hub.

CTU is actually CA's 2nd biggest hub(2nd biggest SA hub too I believe), PVG is a important gateway for CA but the domestic coverage, as one big part to support a hub in China, is just not as great as what CTU gets

Topic: RE: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: vin2basketball
Posted 2013-08-29 14:17:16 and read 6475 times.

Quoting bogoss (Reply 70):
CTU is actually CA's 2nd biggest hub(2nd biggest SA hub too I believe), PVG is a important gateway for CA but the domestic coverage, as one big part to support a hub in China, is just not as great as what CTU gets

SZX I believe is China's second largest Star Alliance hub, thanks to Shenzhen Airlines

Topic: RE: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-08-29 14:21:46 and read 6445 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 48):
Mon/Wed/Sat
UA8 SFO-CTU 1335-1850+1

Mon/Wed/Fri
UA7 CTU-SFO 1000-0850

From those times it looks like the aircraft RONs at CTU from 1850 to 1000 (15:10). Is that enough time for crew rest, or would the crew end up with 2/3 days downroute?

And can someone please remind me which bases crew the 787, IAH/EWR?

Topic: RE: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2013-08-29 15:40:54 and read 5404 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 72):
From those times it looks like the aircraft RONs at CTU from 1850 to 1000 (15:10). Is that enough time for crew rest, or would the crew end up with 2/3 days downroute?

And can someone please remind me which bases crew the 787, IAH/EWR?

More then likely it will be a 2 day layover in CTU and most likely a 6 day trip for NTA & NLS crews.
Day 1 EWR - SFO Deadhead
Day 2 SFO - CTU
Day 3 CTU Layover
Day 4 CTU Layover
Day 5 CTU - SFO
Day 6 SFO - EWR Deadhead

So far the only 787 pilot base is IAH.

Topic: RE: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: av8ornta
Posted 2013-08-29 15:49:11 and read 5333 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 72):

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 48):
Mon/Wed/Sat
UA8 SFO-CTU 1335-1850+1

Mon/Wed/Fri
UA7 CTU-SFO 1000-0850

From those times it looks like the aircraft RONs at CTU from 1850 to 1000 (15:10). Is that enough time for crew rest, or would the crew end up with 2/3 days downroute?

And can someone please remind me which bases crew the 787, IAH/EWR?

Yes, all current 787 flying is done by either the international base in Houston (HTA), or the international base in EWR (NTA)

Topic: RE: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: airzim
Posted 2013-08-30 06:52:28 and read 3993 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 68):
Lots of changes next Spring for UA across the Pacific...

I've been told that United is anxiously awaiting the ability to swap 777 pilots between sCO and sUA fleets. It think it's a safe bet that this would coincide with some fleet redeployment to more accurately match the demand.

My prediction is EWR-HKG/PVG/PEK/NRT will go three class sUA. Perhaps IAH-NRT too. Therefore some SFO/LAX/ORD flying will go two class sCO on the 777.

Still uncertain about LHR. I wonder if UA will commit to First for the LHR market?

Topic: RE: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: as739x
Posted 2013-08-30 15:57:22 and read 3502 times.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 69):
Quoting United1 (Reply 53):
I didn't realize that the opening date was that soon....they are making progress clearly then.

January 31, 2014 target date for the keys to be handed over.

Topic: RE: New UA TransPac Route - SFO-CTU
Username: PA515
Posted 2013-08-31 06:12:56 and read 3022 times.

Quoting superjeff (Reply 56):
NZ couldn't carry local traffic LAX-HNL under any circumstances as that is a U.S. domestic route.

No local traffic apart from ID pax.

However, LHR-HNL and NAN, APW/TBU, RAR and AKL stopover pax were carried. Would like to see the Pacific Island routes via HNL resumed with the A321NEO from 2017. Air NZ has 11 A320 options available from about then.

PA515


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