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Topic: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: QatarA340
Posted 2013-08-29 14:28:41 and read 9238 times.

QatarAirways announced a partnership with British Airways regarding redemption and earning of miles in their respective miles program. It will take effect soon. This is a prequel to their joining One world.

Source : qmiles.com

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-08-29 18:53:13 and read 8628 times.

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
This is a prequel to their joining One world.

Sometimes time flies, sometimes it doesn't. I see QR is still a member elect:

http://www.oneworld.com/member-airlines/members-elect

I thought they were a full member. This seems like such a small first step. When will OW have a mid-East hub? Other than QF feeding DXB.  

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: NZ107
Posted 2013-08-29 19:04:59 and read 8585 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
I thought they were a full member

Apparently Oct 1 is the actual joining date.. Though anything could change.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: mozart
Posted 2013-08-30 00:42:26 and read 8077 times.

I didn't find any info about that on the BA site. So does that mean I can collect BA miles when flying QR?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-08-30 03:59:39 and read 7538 times.

Quoting mozart (Reply 3):
So does that mean I can collect BA miles when flying QR?

First I do n ot think this has anything to do with QR becoming a oneworld member. Its "partner" airlines are listed on its web site as being BA, G3, ME, NH, OZ, US and VS.

But what is a "partner" airline? Here is what QR say:


"With our diverse partners, you can earn additional Qmiles to get you closer to your complimentary flight. Earn Qmiles whenever you travel on our airline partners or stay with any of our prestigious hotel partners.

"Our financial partners let you earn points or miles with their loyalty programmes and transfer them to Qmiles. You can also earn Qmiles everytime you shop and dine using your credit cards from our financial partners."


Source: http://www.qatarairways.com/Privileg...rtnerCategory=Airlines&mid=7&sid=1

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: offloaded
Posted 2013-08-30 05:04:16 and read 6845 times.

Quoting mozart (Reply 3):

I didn't find any info about that on the BA site. So does that mean I can collect BA miles when flying QR?

Yes, eventually it does. I have a client who has for a couple of years used RJ to boost his tier level points (eg LHR AMM BKK in J - cheaper fare than BA direct and double the tier points as 2 sectors each way)

Don't forget that many airlines with alliances still have partner/codeshares with airlines outside or in rival alliances.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2013-08-30 06:26:18 and read 6058 times.

Have to say was disappointed to read the partnering was only about FF programmes - when I saw the thread title I hoped it was an operational partnership and flight code-shares. Oh well. Maybe that will come in time.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: airdfw
Posted 2013-08-30 08:12:52 and read 5157 times.

AA has already codeshares with QR. In orbitz for example, I can see AA coded QR flights.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: BHMNONREV
Posted 2013-08-31 01:31:26 and read 2957 times.

Quoting airdfw (Reply 7):
AA has already codeshares with QR. In orbitz for example, I can see AA coded QR flights.

Maybe so, but you won't earn AAdvantage miles on QR flights. Not yet anyway...
But Etihad and Gulf Air? Yes..

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: vinniewinnie
Posted 2013-08-31 04:12:28 and read 2684 times.

I can eventually see some code sharing activity on some destinations that BA would never serve directly from LHR such as smaller 2nd tier cities, low yield SE asia destinations...

It's a win win situation: QR Gets more traffic, BA serves more destination and therefore enhances its appeal as global airline.

If you can't beat them partner with them. QR is certainly not the worst of the 3: I find their service and corporate identy on par with BA's: not too flashy and good service.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: babybus
Posted 2013-08-31 05:08:22 and read 2577 times.

I was looking at the QR website and it wasn't really made clear how you can move your miles from QR to BA.

I thought the days of needing a support airline would disappear after the arrival of the BA 787s and BA would be able to operate any long thin route on its own.

Where does BA see the route advantages in joining up with QR?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2013-08-31 05:46:40 and read 2481 times.

Quoting babybus (Reply 10):
Where does BA see the route advantages in joining up with QR?

One suggestion is the Oz routes - QR has no more unused landing rights as things stand and BA can't seemingly support 2 Oz flights on its own - so using BA metal extend the exiting Doha flight through to SYD [?], code-sharing with QR, and they can pick up extra feed from QRs European/African routes to fill the plane for the second half of the journey and QR gets additional access to Oz that it can't on its own.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-08-31 05:52:47 and read 2464 times.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 5):
Yes, eventually it does. I have a client who has for a couple of years used RJ to boost his tier level points (eg LHR AMM BKK in J - cheaper fare than BA direct and double the tier points as 2 sectors each way)
Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 9):
It's a win win situation: QR Gets more traffic, BA serves more destination and therefore enhances its appeal as global airline.

This is drivel QR add virtually nothing to BA's network and they won't serve any MORE destinations

BA fly one daily 772/77E with an intermediate stop at Bahrain to Doha not much feed there !

A few Mid East regional (Most already available via Amman)
Some obscure Eastern and Central African ports I suppose but two stops from LHR give me a break - BA would be better selling an interline via Brussels onto SN and taking the commission so would the passenger !

QR overfly LHR to key TALC destinations with onward connections on US/AA and indeed compete and cut into the UK regions with up to two flights a day to/from Manchester.

The current onboard product on QR is pretty good however the less the said about the existing Doha airport experience the better !

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: 3rdGen
Posted 2013-08-31 06:45:20 and read 2350 times.

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 8):
Quoting airdfw (Reply 7):
AA has already codeshares with QR. In orbitz for example, I can see AA coded QR flights.

Maybe so, but you won't earn AAdvantage miles on QR flights. Not yet anyway...
But Etihad and Gulf Air? Yes..

As soon as QR joins OW you and the members of all the OW alliance FFPs will be able to earn miles on QR its just a matter of time.

[Edited 2013-08-31 06:45:42]

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: vinniewinnie
Posted 2013-08-31 08:56:56 and read 2233 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
This is drivel QR add virtually nothing to BA's network and they won't serve any MORE destinations

I disagree: Looking at India only, BA only serves Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai and Delhi. Compare that to Qatar: Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Bangalore, Chennai, Delhi, Goa, Hyderabad, Kochi, Kolkata, Kozhikode, Mumbai, Nagpur and Thiruvananthapuram. Now granted there is overlap on all BA destinations but Qatar serves many more that BA will never be able to profitably serve.

Looking East, I can't see BA serving Yangon, Mandalay, Phnomh Penh, or Ho chi mingh ville any time in the future...

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
BA fly one daily 772/77E with an intermediate stop at Bahrain to Doha not much feed there !

That could change quickly in the future depending on how the partnership develops!

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
A few Mid East regional (Most already available via Amman)
Some obscure Eastern and Central African ports I suppose but two stops from LHR give me a break - BA would be better selling an interline via Brussels onto SN and taking the commission so would the passenger !

Problem with u'r argument is that SN operates often triangular routes as well. As for Obscure Eastern African routes, they can be very high yielding. Qatar will also develop non stop offering in the future depending on demand. BA may be able to contri

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
The current onboard product on QR is pretty good however the less the said about the existing Doha airport experience the better !

I had a great experience flying Business with them. The dedicated premium terminal though crowded was excellent. As to the future there is a brand new airport that will hopefully be open soon.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-08-31 09:34:24 and read 2155 times.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 14):
I disagree: Looking at India only, BA only serves Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai and Delhi. Compare that to Qatar: Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Bangalore, Chennai, Delhi, Goa, Hyderabad, Kochi, Kolkata, Kozhikode, Mumbai, Nagpur and Thiruvananthapuram. Now granted there is overlap on all BA destinations but Qatar serves many more that BA will never be able to profitably serve.

Oneworld/BA require a Kingfisher replacement for that -IndiGo must be a target.

This is the thing that I just don't get especially on the long haul. Surely you want your customers on YOUR flights for the best part of the route with a local company feeding on the shorter distance (and may I add carrying the risk/low margin bit on their books !)

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 14):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
BA fly one daily 772/77E with an intermediate stop at Bahrain to Doha not much feed there !

That could change quickly in the future depending on how the partnership develops!

Na don't see it other than splitting out the Bahrain stop and using a 789 in 18 months.
Its not what BA does unless they get a JV deal - Possible I suppose

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 14):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
A few Mid East regional (Most already available via Amman)
Some obscure Eastern and Central African ports I suppose but two stops from LHR give me a break - BA would be better selling an interline via Brussels onto SN and taking the commission so would the passenger !

Problem with u'r argument is that SN operates often triangular routes as well. As for Obscure Eastern African routes, they can be very high yielding. Qatar will also develop non stop offering in the future depending on demand. BA may be able to contri

If they were very high yielding from the UK BA would be active in this market -They are not beyond the former commonwealth countries.

And again I would rather route to Kigali via Brussels any day.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 14):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
The current onboard product on QR is pretty good however the less the said about the existing Doha airport experience the better !

I had a great experience flying Business with them. The dedicated premium terminal though crowded was excellent. As to the future there is a brand new airport that will hopefully be open soon.

I was very careful with my choice of language here -Yes the new airport should be much better especially for us that don't travel in a bath-tube class seat very often

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: sankaps
Posted 2013-08-31 09:51:11 and read 2105 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
This is drivel QR add virtually nothing to BA's network and they won't serve any MORE destinations

As Vinnie points out below, QR adds a lot to BA's network, especially in India which is ME3's core O&D market. Most of these places BA will not be able to profitably serve on their own, even with 787s -- yields not good enough and ME3 cost structure much advantaged.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 14):
I disagree: Looking at India only, BA only serves Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai and Delhi. Compare that to Qatar: Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Bangalore, Chennai, Delhi, Goa, Hyderabad, Kochi, Kolkata, Kozhikode, Mumbai, Nagpur and Thiruvananthapuram. Now granted there is overlap on all BA destinations but Qatar serves many more that BA will never be able to profitably serve.
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 15):
Oneworld/BA require a Kingfisher replacement for that -IndiGo must be a target.

Indigo would increase the reach further to cities not served by ME3. But for cities served by QR, a one stop via DOH on QR would be preferred by most passengers over a connection to a LCC in India.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
The current onboard product on QR is pretty good however the less the said about the existing Doha airport experience the better !

New DOH airport will open soon, and the current DOH airport is not that bad really -- prefer it to the zoo that is Dubai, to AUH's long walks and overcrowded T1, and to a connection in India itself (esp to a LCC).

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 15):
Surely you want your customers on YOUR flights for the best part of the route with a local company feeding on the shorter distance (and may I add carrying the risk/low margin bit on their books !)
BA would (or should) prefer to fill their flights to BOM, DEL, MAA (esp to BOM and DEL which are capacity constrained) with O&D traffic to these points, better than filling with those who want to connect to other cities. Let OW / QR carry those who want to fly to the secondary cities.

[Edited 2013-08-31 09:53:48]

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-08-31 09:57:21 and read 2070 times.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 16):
one stop via DOH on QR would be preferred by most passengers over a connection to a LCC in India.

But its not one stop - Its two (Currently) !

You don't put LHR passengers on your competitor from the get go !

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: sankaps
Posted 2013-08-31 10:02:42 and read 2044 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 17):
But its not one stop - Its two (Currently) !

You don't put LHR passengers on your competitor from the get go !

At least in this case, why not? BA's flights to DEL/BOM tend to be very full anyway. QR is not competition to most of the other India destinations. Better BA get something from having pax fly on partner QR rather than on EK or EY.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-08-31 10:04:58 and read 2035 times.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 18):
Better BA get something from having pax fly on partner QR rather than on EK or EY.

What like a bill for FF miles !

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: airdfw
Posted 2013-08-31 10:07:34 and read 2030 times.

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 8):

Quoting airdfw (Reply 7):
AA has already codeshares with QR. In orbitz for example, I can see AA coded QR flights.

Maybe so, but you won't earn AAdvantage miles on QR flights. Not yet anyway...
But Etihad and Gulf Air? Yes..

No, I think you can earn AAdavantage on QR as well for AA coded flights right now.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/codesharePartners/main.jsp

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: sankaps
Posted 2013-08-31 10:14:46 and read 2006 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 19):
What like a bill for FF miles !

No, more like revenue to BA for FF miles for BA FF who fly QR as QR would have to buy those miles from BA, plus "sales commission" to BA for selling the ticket on QR, pus potentially some revenue share for BA if the flight is code-shared.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Partners With British Airways
Username: vinniewinnie
Posted 2013-08-31 10:45:24 and read 1938 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 15):
If they were very high yielding from the UK BA would be active in this market -They are not beyond the former commonwealth countries.

And again I would rather route to Kigali via Brussels any day.

A trickle of high yield passengers does not translate into enough passengers to fill a flight and make it profitable.

Kigali is an up and coming destination and QR currently only flies it via Entebbe (It's the very same flight that enabled me to discover Doha's excellent business lounge), but it will probably in the future and that will start to be very interesting for QR and BA who currently does not even offer anything to Kigali and probably will never.

Brussels and Brussels airlines is Star Alliance. There is nothing to expect from them. Qatar offers plenty of opportunities in East Africa, Asia, and Oceania. ME airlines can be very useful and can be good partners that can be used for competitive purpose. For BA, I think it's a no brainer: LHR runway expansion may never happen or not happen for many years, and will never be able to compete effectively against airlines that face lower costs, not only due to their working practices but also because of stage length of their flights.


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