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Topic: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: doulasc
Posted 2013-08-28 19:59:18 and read 7527 times.

TWA operated a fleet of short Douglas DC-9s from 1965(to replace Lockheed 749A Constellations) to being retired around 1978-1979.How far west did TWA operate DC-9s,not much west past St.Louis or Kansas City.They were mostly operated in the Ohio valley region between the northeast to St.Louis and Chicago. I know they flew from St/Louis to Atlanta visa Nashville,In 1975 I spotted one in TPA.At that time St.louis to Florida was mostly 727s and maybe a 707-131B.You never saw a TWA DC-9 in California.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: SDF880
Posted 2013-08-28 22:16:04 and read 7268 times.

I believe ICT was as far west as any sked service went, not sure on that?

I rode those DC-9's many times! Good memories!

Those 9's were real work horses for TW. I believe they had 20 total order
and had one accident with N1063T on approach into DAY in 67 mid-air with a Barron

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: MakeMinesLAX
Posted 2013-08-28 22:58:12 and read 7178 times.

Of course, DC-9s came back into the fleet with the purchase of Ozark in 1986. I'd need to check the OAG, but I recall they mainly stayed back East.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2013-08-29 03:35:45 and read 6931 times.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 2):


Of course, DC-9s came back into the fleet with the purchase of Ozark in 1986. I'd need to check the OAG, but I recall they mainly stayed back East.

They stayed east of the Rockies, about as far west as they went was OKC/ICT/TUL/AUS/SAT.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: ImperialEagle
Posted 2013-08-29 06:13:38 and read 6758 times.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
St/Louis to Atlanta visa Nashville

Yes, and we were loath to see the Connies disappear.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
maybe a 707-131B

For a while there were (pure-jet) -331's ops out of TPA in that time period -78-79. I think the last ones I ever saw in ops were at TPA in that time period.


I never recall seeing the TW -9's out west in those days.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: CitationJet
Posted 2013-08-29 06:30:33 and read 6704 times.

Quoting SDF880 (Reply 1):
I believe ICT was as far west as any sked service went, not sure on that?

I would agree. I checked the 260 photos of TWA DC-9s in the A.net database, and all were taken east of the Rockies, except for those who ended their lives in Victorville, CA.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
They stayed east of the Rockies, about as far west as they went was OKC/ICT/TUL/AUS/SAT.

That is consistent with what I found in the photo database.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-08-29 07:27:26 and read 6591 times.

I remember flying one out of AMA while in the Air Force back in 1971.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: mbmbos
Posted 2013-08-29 10:53:23 and read 5733 times.

Are you sure they've never been to ABQ? I remember seeing DC-9-14/15's in either TWA or Continental markings when I was a child in the sixties. I know TTA (eventually Texas International) operated the short 9s as well, but I also remember seeing a major trunk carrier fly them in the Albuquerque as well.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: FlyPIJets
Posted 2013-08-29 12:11:40 and read 5063 times.

Quoting SDF880 (Reply 1):
Those 9's were real work horses for TW. I believe they had 20 total order
and had one accident with N1063T on approach into DAY in 67 mid-air with a Barron

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Bob Garrard



one of the most haunting photos on a.net.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-08-29 17:24:43 and read 3285 times.

[quote=CitationJet,reply=5]Quoting SDF880 (Reply 1):
I believe ICT was as far west as any sked service went, not sure on that?

I would agree. I checked the 260 photos of TWA DC-9s in the A.net database, and all were taken east of the Rockies, except for those who ended their lives in Victorville, CA.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
They stayed east of the Rockies, about as far west as they went was OKC/ICT/TUL/AUS/SAT.

That is consistent with what I found in the photo database.[/quote

TWA DC-9 westbound flight routings from June 1, 1968 timetable when all 19 were all in service (one was written off in 1967). Most flights daily; some weekend variations. I used code BWI but the code then was BAL.

DAY-MDW
CMH-MDW-MKC
DTW-STL-MKC-ICT
PHL-DCA-STL
PHL-CMH-DAY-STL
CLE-IND-STL
LGA-CMH
LGA-MDT-PIT-DAY-ORD
PHL-PIT-CMH-SDF-STL
DCA-CMH-CVG
DCA-BWI-DAY-IND
JFK-CVG
CMH-ORD
ATL-BNA-STL-MKC
DTW-STL-MKC
PHL-PIT-IND-STL
ATL-BNA-STL
PHL-PIT-CMH-IND-STL
EWR-CMH-DAY
PIT-DAY-ORD-MKC
DCA-DAY-IND
MDT-PIT-DAY-MDW
PHL-PIT-CMH-SDF-STL
BOS-PIT-ORD
BWI-DCA-CMH-MDW-MKC-ICT
DCA-CVG-IND
PHL-PIT-CVG-STL-MKC
BDL-PIT-DAY-SDF
BDL-JFK-PIT-CMH-IND
DTW-STL-MKC
JFK-CLE-IND-STL-MKC
CLE-IND-STL
BOS-PIT-DAY-ORD
PHL-PIT

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: gr8slvrflt
Posted 2013-08-29 18:31:35 and read 2961 times.

Did any of the major carriers based east of the Rockies (AA, UA, EA, DL, BN, NW, TW) fly any of their 1st-generation twin jets (Caravelle, 1-11, DC-9) out west?

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-08-29 19:40:18 and read 2644 times.

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 10):
Did any of the major carriers based east of the Rockies (AA, UA, EA, DL, BN, NW, TW) fly any of their 1st-generation twin jets (Caravelle, 1-11, DC-9) out west?

UA - Caravelle never used on western routes.

AA - BAC 1-11 not used west of Texas/Oklahoma based on a couple of timetables.

BN - BAC 1-11 same as AA. And when BN retired the 1-11s their only destinations west of DEN were SEA/PDX (and SFO/LAX but only to South America), and the Texas-SEA/PDX routes were well beyond 1-11 range.

EA - DC-9 not used in the west as far as I recall, at least not the early ones. And in those days EA didn't have many western routes. STL-SEA/PDX were the first in 1967 and the 727 was used on those initially.

DL - can't see any early DC-9 routes west of Dallas, and DL's few west coast destinations then were mostly nonstops from ATL and DAL using DC-8s.

NW - didn't have any 1st-generation twinjets until their 1986 merger with Republic, and from then on the DC-9s they inherited were widely used in the western U.S. as they had been by Republic and predecessors.

TW - DC-9 not used in the west.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: Tango-Bravo
Posted 2013-08-29 20:14:08 and read 2507 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
DL - can't see any early DC-9 routes west of Dallas

When DL started DAL-PHX in 1969 and for several years thereafter, DC-9-32s were assigned to the route.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: BHMNONREV
Posted 2013-08-31 01:50:49 and read 2128 times.

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 8):
one of the most haunting photos on a.net.

As well as BOAC Flight 911 taxiing past the smoldering wreckage of CP 402 (Empress of Edmonton) at HND on Mar 5, 1966. After take-off BOAC crashed into Mt. Fuji, killing all 124 on board.  
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
TWA DC-9 westbound flight routings from June 1, 1968 timetable when all 19 were all in service (one was written off in 1967). Most flights daily; some weekend variations. I used code BWI but the code then was BAL.

At one time ICT was the furthest west, but I believe AMA came along later for the DC-9. I remember growing up a TWA brat in STL in the 60's and 70's the Douglas was a regular sight at STL, with tails from TW, OZ, DL, EA, SO and AL gracing the ramp at Lambert..

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: Grisee08
Posted 2013-08-31 07:12:58 and read 2031 times.

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 8):
one of the most haunting photos on a.net.

What makes it even MORE sad for me than usual was that this aircraft was LESS than 2 months old... You just know that back in those days, passengers felt safer when they entered an aircraft, and it was not dirty or stained. The irony of it all.

Didn't a DC-9 with a western sort of name go down at around the same age? a year or so earlier?

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: DBCooper
Posted 2013-08-31 07:40:19 and read 1999 times.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
How far west did TWA operate DC-9s,not much west past St.Louis or Kansas City

I have been on one that operated DFW>STL.


- DBC

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: longhauler
Posted 2013-08-31 07:53:13 and read 1984 times.

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 14):

Didn't a DC-9 with a western sort of name go down at around the same age? a year or so earlier?

There was a Hughes Airwest DC-9 that collided with an F4 on June 6, 1971.

But, around the time of the TWA DC-9 .... an Allegheny DC-9 collided with a Piper Cherokee, on Sept 9, 1969, or a Piedmont B727 with a Cessna 310 on July 19, 1967.

Many were starting to doubt the feasibility of the "see and be seen" concept of traffic separation in the era.

Or perhaps you are thinking of the West Coast Airlines DC-9 on October 1, 1966. Not a collision, but a crash, the first for a DC-9.

[Edited 2013-08-31 07:57:10]

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: PC12Fan
Posted 2013-08-31 12:25:35 and read 1867 times.

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 13):
As well as BOAC Flight 911 taxiing past the smoldering wreckage of CP 402 (Empress of Edmonton) at HND on Mar 5, 1966. After take-off BOAC crashed into Mt. Fuji, killing all 124 on board.

Is this pic in the A.net data base? Haven't been able to find it. Would be interesting to see.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-08-31 12:42:25 and read 1848 times.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 16):
Or perhaps you are thinking of the West Coast Airlines DC-9 on October 1, 1966. Not a collision, but a crash, the first for a DC-9.

That DC-9-14 had only been delivered 2 weeks earlier and had 164 hours at the time of the crash.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-08-31 12:50:09 and read 1840 times.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 17):
Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 13):
As well as BOAC Flight 911 taxiing past the smoldering wreckage of CP 402 (Empress of Edmonton) at HND on Mar 5, 1966. After take-off BOAC crashed into Mt. Fuji, killing all 124 on board.

Is this pic in the A.net data base? Haven't been able to find it. Would be interesting to see.

Here it is.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19660304-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19660305-1

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: type-rated
Posted 2013-08-31 20:06:41 and read 1691 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
That DC-9-14 had only been delivered 2 weeks earlier and had 164 hours at the time of the crash.

The DC-9 that operated TW 553 only had 304 hours on it, according to the NTSB crash report.

Topic: RE: TWA DC-9-15-how Far West
Username: John
Posted 2013-09-01 07:34:15 and read 1534 times.

TW flew a single daily PVD-PIT in the early 80s using a baby 9. I think it was during the 1981-82 timeframe. PVD didn't last very long on TW's route map unfortunately.


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