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Topic: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2013-09-11 04:11:50 and read 8432 times.

Announced today and effective from September 24. It means that short-haul BA passengers flying selected short-haul routes will pay less if they travel with only hand luggage. On the other hand, one could argue that it means passengers with checked bags will have to pay to have their bags placed in the airplane hold.
BA says that if the scheme is successful, it will be rolled out across its entire short-haul network.
KLM and Swiss (GVA short-haul flts only) both charge passengers more if they travel with checked bags. I wonder who will follow them ?

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...short-haul-hand-baggage-only-fares

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-09-11 04:16:50 and read 8394 times.

I think it's a more sensitive and under-the-table way of getting around it versus overtly charging for bags. Passengers will no doubt prefer it.

[Edited 2013-09-11 04:18:16]

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: runway23
Posted 2013-09-11 07:40:50 and read 7826 times.

A clever way to increase prices without anyone noticing it.

What used to be the cheapest fare becomes a no-bagagge fare and all other fares increase by whatever they charge for baggage.

In marketing talk this is "an enhancement" made based on "customer feedback" and "offering a better service and value proposition".

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: abrown532
Posted 2013-09-11 07:42:32 and read 7813 times.

I for one will certainly be making use of these fares as I never take suitcases even when they are included in the fare!

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2013-09-11 07:52:30 and read 7748 times.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 2):
A clever way to increase prices without anyone noticing it.

Yes. KLM simply slapped on a separate charge for checked bags within Europe and this alienated many of its customers.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2013-09-11 08:06:35 and read 7651 times.

What are the published fares that BA is selling on third party sites like Expedia? Will these fares include baggage for short haul or not? I agree this is a more palatable way to announce bag fees.

The bulk discount tickets are what the majority of regular travellers are buying - lowest fare, most restrictive. It'll be interesting if a passenger purchases a ticket on BA online via a site like Travelocity, and arrives at the airport to find out he must pay for bags. Certainly it's in the ticket terms and conditions now, but people are not used to paying for bags when they fly on BA.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-09-11 08:45:01 and read 7438 times.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 2):
What used to be the cheapest fare becomes a no-bagagge fare and all other fares increase by whatever they charge for baggage.

As I understand it, that is not how it works at all. From what I remember during the announcement last Winter, none of the other fares changed. They created a new lower fare for passengers without checked luggage.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: anstar
Posted 2013-09-11 09:07:54 and read 7345 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 4):
Yes. KLM simply slapped on a separate charge for checked bags within Europe and this alienated many of its customers.

Who did it alienate?

Baggage is still free if passengers have a shorthaul flight connecting to long haul. They are also still free if they are a member of the flying blue program which is free to join.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: TheRedBaron
Posted 2013-09-11 10:35:11 and read 7071 times.

After seeing the delays problems and logistics of the poor FA on my last 5 flights due to congestion and overuse of overhead bin compartments.... I dont think its a good idea...

TRB

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: WAC
Posted 2013-09-11 10:56:42 and read 6944 times.

It costs airlines more if a passenger checks in with hold baggage so initially it is not increasing revenues. It is a bottom up approach by trying to compensate for an associated cost. The real question is the saving to the passenger to not go with hold baggage a real reflection of the saving the airline is making or for cynics does the true cost of the hold baggage reflect in the fee being charged by the airline.
The reason why there has been this change is the change of the profile and habit of short haul flyer. Flying has in absolute terms become cheaper meaning people are travelling more and their trip is for shorter duration which mean they do not need a big bulk suitcase for trip from LON-PAR/MIL/FCO/FRA etc. Also it means they can be more competitive with LCC airlines for the non-hold-baggage passenger.
What I am saying is that hold baggage has gone from being seen as a fixed cost to a variable cost due to nature of the industry and market. The market for hold baggage on short haul has changed.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-09-11 14:37:35 and read 4898 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 7):
Baggage is still free if passengers have a shorthaul flight connecting to long haul. They are also still free if they are a member of the flying blue program which is free to join.

Do you mean silver/gold etc. and not just member ? I'm a member and I've not seen this.

AF has introduced a new tiered system since about the beginning of the year, called Mini/Classic/Flex. I used to fly PAR-BES return for 99€ with hold luggage, and now that 99€ price is a Mini without hold luggage. Furthermore I get no choice of seat ! Suddenly the train is becoming more attractive, in first class with power outlet and my unlimited mobile internet plan.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-09-11 16:14:50 and read 4288 times.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 5):
What are the published fares that BA is selling on third party sites like Expedia? Will these fares include baggage for short haul or not?

Expedia and Travelocity makes it clear during the booking process that fairs don't include checked luggage, and you can therefore go back and select the higher fair. I don't know about the others.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: ridgid727
Posted 2013-09-11 16:16:35 and read 4276 times.

I would imagine you would see a US carrier try this.. probably WN.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-09-11 16:55:11 and read 4065 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 4):
Quoting runway23 (Reply 2):
A clever way to increase prices without anyone noticing it.

Yes. KLM simply slapped on a separate charge for checked bags within Europe and this alienated many of its customers.

It's very easy to avoid the KLM checked bag charge within Europe. Just join their Flying Blue frequent flyer program. No need for elite status.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: prebennorholm
Posted 2013-09-11 16:59:15 and read 4043 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
Do you mean silver/gold etc. and not just member ? I'm a member and I've not seen this.

You just sign up as a member of Flying Blue. Then one bag flies for free with KL.

A month ago I was on my very first flight ever with KLM - BLL-AMS-ZRH and back. I worked hard on the KLM web site and couldn't find a way to add my bag to the ticket. After a lot of struggle I found out that I first had to buy the ticket, and then on another site add the bag.

I bought the ticket, but when it came to adding the bag, then the system crashed: "Sorry, an error has occured on our server, please try again later". I tried that several times with no improvement, then sent them an email describing the problem, which to this day remains unanswered.

I tried the same thing the next four days. I wanted the problem solved since it is much more expensive to pay for the bag at the airport. So on the day before departure I called them, and got a very competent lady on the line.

She asked whether I was a Flying Blue member? No. Why not? Because I will maximum fly on KL/AF once a year. But there was great advantages, such as if I flew fifteen zillion miles, then I could buy the world with my miles, .... and then one bag flies for free.

Now we talk business, I replied, I should have known that last week. Why? she asked. Because I bought the ticket last week not being a member, and I fly tomorrow.

No problem, she said. I will register your membership, it takes one minute, and I only need your day and year of birth, everything else I have in your ticket.

I worked perfectly well. My ticket said zero bags. But when checking in at the kiosks the screen said one bag for free.

And when back home there was an Ivory FF Card in my snail mail with zero miles on it.

The only disadvantage is that one has to deregister Flying Blue membership in case one doesn't want to have the mailbox spammed with KL/AF adverts.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: n729pa
Posted 2013-09-12 00:29:57 and read 2691 times.

Personally I like the idea. I do a lot of European day trips where I only have hand luggage. The problem comes when you look at what some people are bringing on the plane as hand luggage these days.

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 14):
The only disadvantage is that one has to deregister Flying Blue membership in case one doesn't want to have the mailbox spammed with KL/AF adverts.

I wouldn't worry about that too, like you I'm a basic level member and perhaps get an email once every 6 weeks or so. I use it mainly to keep tab of my limited period on it and their expiry.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-09-12 01:04:59 and read 2519 times.

This expansion was on the front page of today's The Times, albeit as a small insert, and then as a three-quarter-of-a-page article on page 11.

Topic: RE: BA Extends "hand Baggage" Fares
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-09-12 14:46:24 and read 1567 times.

I've been a Flying Blue member for a long time and I'm thinking he meant real mail, they try to sell me their mastercard several times a year !

I tried to book the same 99€ flight on the KLM website, and it's simple, it isn't offered, only the 139€ one with included baggage and "semi-flexibility".


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