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Topic: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-09-17 06:12:27 and read 8792 times.

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operates less than daily it will become affected by the unqual number of days in each month. For example, if a flight runs on Tuesdays only and a month has 5 Tuesdays it will show 5/31=.16=0.2 (if 31 days), but 4/31=.129=.1 if the month has 4 Tuesdays.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4Y BET-EEK OCT 4>3 NOV 4>1.9 DEC 4>1.8 JAN 4>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 4>1.8 APR 4>1.9 MAY 4>1.9
4Y BET-GNU NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
4Y BET-KKH OCT 0.9>0.4 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0
4Y BET-KPN NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
4Y BET-KWN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
4Y BET-WNA NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
4Y EEK-KWN OCT 4>3 NOV 4>1.9 DEC 4>1.8 JAN 4>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 4>1.8 APR 4>1.9 MAY 4>1.9
4Y GNU-PTU NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3

*9K HPN-MVY NOV 0.3>0.2 DEC 0.3>0.1 APR 0.1>0.0
*9K HYA-MVY OCT 1.9>1.3 NOV 1.4>0 DEC 1.4>0 JAN 1.5>0 FEB 1.4>0 MAR 1.4>0 APR 1.5>0 MAY 1.5>0.5

AA DFW-MBJ FEB 0.8>0.7
AA DFW-PTY FEB 0.4>0.3
AA DFW-STL FEB 9>8
AA DFW-TRC FEB 1.8>1.2 MAR 2>1.8
AA JFK-ZRH FEB 0.8>0.6
AA LAX-SAF FEB 0.8>0.6
AA LAX-SJD JAN 1.2>0.9 FEB 1.5>1.4
AA MIA-MBJ FEB 3>2
AA MIA-SAP FEB 2>1.4 MAR 2>1.8
AA ORD-CHO FEB 1.6>1.0
AA ORD-LAS APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
AA ORD-SJC JAN 2>1.2

AM ORD-MTY DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.2>0.4
*AM SFO-GDL NOV 0.5>0 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.4
AM SFO-MLM DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.3

AS LAX-PVR APR 2>1.9 MAY 2>1.3
AS LAX-ZIH APR 0.8>0.4

AZ BOS-FCO APR 0.7>0.8 MAY 0.7>0.9
AZ JFK-FCO MAY 1.8>3
AZ MIA-FCO APR 0.5>0.7 MAY 0.7>0.9
AZ ORD-FCO MAY 0.3>0.5

B6 EWR-PBI DEC 1.9>3 JAN 1.4>3
B6 FLL-KIN DEC 1.9>2
B6 HPN-PBI JAN 3>4
B6 JAX-SJU JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-BGI JAN 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-PLS MAR 2>1.2 APR 2>1.1
B6 JFK-POP DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1
B6 JFK-TPA MAR 6>5 APR 6>5
B6 JFK-UVF JAN 0.8>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0
B6 MCO-BOS MAR 8>7 APR 8>7

BW JFK-KIN DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.2

DL ATL-AVL JAN 8>7
DL ATL-DFW MAY 12>13
DL ATL-ECP JAN 7>6
DL ATL-EYW JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
DL ATL-GRB APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
DL ATL-HSV JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 APR 9>8
DL ATL-LAS JAN 9>8
DL ATL-MYR JAN 5>4
DL ATL-ORF MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
DL ATL-SGF JAN 5>4
Upgraded?
*DL ATL-VPS JAN 8>7 FEB 8>6 MAR 11>7 APR 10>7 MAY 10>7
DL ATL-XNA JAN 8>7
DL BOS-IND JAN 3>1.8
DL DLH-MSP JAN 6>5
DL DTW-ALB JAN 5>4
DL DTW-CMH DEC 6>7
DL DTW-RIC JAN 5>3 FEB 5>4
DL DTW-SAN MAR 2.0>3 MAY 1.8>3
DL DTW-SEA APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
DL DTW-TYS JAN 4>3
DL GRB-MSP JAN 5>4
*DL MCO-NAS JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0
Funny they add p2p CUN routes, but MEM can't even work in MAR!
*DL MEM-CUN FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0
DL MSP-NAS JAN 0.1>0
DL MSP-PVR APR 0.1>1.0
DL MSP-RST JAN 5>4
How long did that last>?
*DL PIT-NAS FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0
DL SLC-BOI DEC 5>6
DL SLC-DEN JAN 7>6
DL SLC-RDU JAN 1.0>0.7

JJ MCO-GIG JAN 0>0.4
JJ MCO-GRU MAR 2>1.7
JJ MIA-GIG JAN 1.0>1.3

LA JFK-SCL JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
LA MIA-SCL JAN 1.3>1.4 FEB 1.8>1.9 MAR 1.6>1.8

OZ SFO-ICN OCT 1.0>0.8 NOV 1.0>0.8

What is this?
Q7 FLL-FPO OCT 0>1.2 NOV 0>1.3 DEC 0>1.3 JAN 0>1.3 FEB 0>1.3 MAR 0>1.3 APR 0>1.2 MAY 0>1.3
Q7 FLL-MHH OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7
Q7 FLL-NAS OCT 0>1.2 NOV 0>1.3 DEC 0>1.3 JAN 0>1.3 FEB 0>1.3 MAR 0>1.3 APR 0>1.2 MAY 0>1.3

UA AOO-JST DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0 APR 1.9>1.0 MAY 1.8>1.0
*UA DEN-GFK DEC 1.1>0.2 JAN 1.5>0 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.6>0 APR 1.5>0 MAY 1.6>0
UA EWR-CZM MAR 0.2>0.3
UA EWR-PVR MAR 0.5>0.6
UA IAD-AOO DEC 0.7>1.6 JAN 0.7>1.6 FEB 0.7>1.6 MAR 0.7>1.5 APR 0.7>1.6 MAY 0.7>1.6
UA IAD-CUN MAR 1.0>1.1
UA IAD-HNL JAN 0.9>0.3 FEB 0.9>0.5
UA IAD-MBJ MAR 0.1>0.3
*UA IAD-SLC DEC 0.8>0.1 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0
UA IAH-GSP DEC 1.9>1.4
UA IAH-MCO NOV 6>7
UA IAH-SAP MAR 1.0>1.3
UA LAX-CUN MAR 0.9>1.1
UA LAX-IAH NOV 12>13
UA ORD-AUS JAN 4>3
UA ORD-AVP JAN 2.0>1.2
UA ORD-CZM MAR 0.0>0.3
UA ORD-EDI MAY 0>0.3
UA ORD-FAR JAN 4>3
UA ORD-LIT JAN 4>3
UA ORD-MCI JAN 8>7
UA ORD-PHL JAN 7>6
UA ORD-PVD JAN 1.8>1.0
UA ORD-RAP DEC 1.0>0.5
UA ORD-RDU JAN 4>3
UA ORD-SAV JAN 3>1.4
UA SFO-SJD DEC 1.0>1.1

UP MIA-NAS DEC 5>4
*UP PBI-NAS NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.2

US PHL-BOS DEC 18>17

*VB SAT-MTY OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0

YV HNL-OGG OCT 5>4

*ZK DEN-PGA NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
*ZK PGA-PHX NOV 1.7>3
*ZK PGA-PRC NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

Following are YOY Comparisons for LCC Carriers:

WN/FL YOY
WN ABQ-LAX MAR 4>3
WN ABQ-PHX JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7
WN ALB-BWI MAR 6>5
WN ALB-FLL MAR 1.2>2.0
WN ATL-BDL JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
WN ATL-BUF JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0
WN ATL-BWI FEB 9>8 MAR 9>7
WN ATL-CAK JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
WN ATL-DAY JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2
WN ATL-FLL JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7
WN ATL-HOU MAR 8>7
WN ATL-JAX JAN 4>3
WN ATL-LGA JAN 8>6 FEB 8>6 MAR 8>6
WN ATL-MCO JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 10>9
WN ATL-MDW JAN 10>8 FEB 10>8 MAR 10>8
WN ATL-MEM JAN 5>0 FEB 5>0 MAR 5>0
WN ATL-MKE FEB 5>4
WN ATL-NAS JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.4 MAR 0.9>0.5
WN ATL-OKC JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
WN ATL-PHL JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
WN ATL-PNS JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 4>0
WN ATL-SAN JAN 0>1.2 FEB 0>1.5 MAR 0>2.0
WN ATL-SAT JAN 4>3 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 4>3
WN ATL-SJU JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1
WN AUS-CUN JAN 0.4>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6
WN AUS-ELP JAN 3>2 FEB 3>1.9
WN AUS-EWR JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN AUS-HOU JAN 6>4 FEB 6>4 MAR 6>4
WN AUS-LBB FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0
WN AUS-MSY JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN BDL-BWI MAR 8>7
WN BHM-STL JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
WN BKG-DAL JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BKG-HOU JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BKG-MDW JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BNA-BOS FEB 1.5>0.9
WN BNA-ECP JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.1
WN BNA-EWR JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9
WN BNA-ORF MAR 1.0>0.2
WN BNA-PIT JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN BNA-PNS JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2.0
WN BOS-BWI JAN 11>10 FEB 11>10 MAR 11>10
WN BOS-HOU JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
WN BOS-MCI JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>1.8
WN BOS-MCO JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.1 MAR 1.2>0.2
WN BUF-FLL MAR 1.4>3
WN BUR-LAS JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 10>9
WN BUR-OAK JAN 13>12 FEB 13>12 MAR 14>12
WN BUR-PHX JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
WN BUR-SJC JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7
WN BUR-SMF JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7
WN BWI-FLL JAN 11>10 FEB 12>10 MAR 11>10
WN BWI-FNT JAN 0>2.0 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>1.9
WN BWI-GSP JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0
WN BWI-LAS JAN 3>4 MAR 3>4
WN BWI-MBJ JAN 1.5>1.3 FEB 1.6>1.3
WN BWI-MCI MAR 3>1.8
WN BWI-MCO JAN 11>10 FEB 12>10 MAR 13>10
WN BWI-MEM JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN BWI-MHT JAN 7>6 FEB 8>6 MAR 8>6
WN BWI-NAS JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.9
WN BWI-ORF JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
WN BWI-PIT MAR 4>3
WN BWI-PUJ JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.9
WN BWI-PVD JAN 8>6 FEB 8>6 MAR 8>7
WN BWI-SJU JAN 1.7>2
WN BWI-STL MAR 5>4
WN CAK-Posted 2013-09-17 06:14:46 and read 8807 times.

WN CAK-MDW JAN 1.9>0 FEB 1.9>0 MAR 1.9>0
WN CAK-RSW JAN 2>1.1
WN CAK-TPA FEB 1.5>1.1
WN CLE-MDW JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
WN CLT-HOU JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN CLT-MCO JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN CLT-MDW JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>1.8
WN CMH-MDW JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5 MAR 7>6
WN CRP-HOU JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
WN DAL-ELP JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
WN DAL-ICT JAN 0>2 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>1.8
WN DAL-LBB MAR 6>5
WN DAL-MCI JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9
WN DAL-OKC JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
WN DAL-SAT MAR 13>12
WN DAY-MCO MAR 3>1.1
WN DAY-TPA JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6
WN DCA-HOU JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
WN DEN-GRR JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN DEN-HOU JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
WN DEN-MHT JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
WN DEN-MKE JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.8
WN DEN-PHL MAR 3>2
WN DEN-PHX JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8
WN DEN-PVD JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
WN DEN-SJD JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.9
WN DEN-SMF JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
WN DSM-LAS JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN ECP-HOU JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0
WN ELP-SAN JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
WN ELP-SAT FEB 3>1.8
WN EWR-MSY JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN EWR-PHX JAN 2.0>1.0 FEB 2>1.0
WN EYW-MSY JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN FLL-JAX JAN 4>3 MAR 4>3
WN FLL-MHT JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.1 MAR 1.0>0.0
WN FLL-PHL FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
WN FNT-LAS JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN GRR-STL JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN GRR-TPA JAN 0.4>0.1
WN HOU-JAN JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.8 MAR 3>1.9
WN HOU-JAX FEB 1.4>1.0
WN HOU-LAS JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
WN HOU-LAX JAN 4>5 MAR 4>5
WN HOU-LGA JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
WN HOU-MEM JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN HOU-PIT JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN HOU-PNS JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN HOU-RDU FEB 1.4>1.0
WN HOU-SAT JAN 6>5
WN ICT-LAS JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN ICT-MDW JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>1.8
WN JAX-LAS MAR 0.7>0.1
WN JAX-MDW JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN JAX-ORF FEB 1.5>0.9 MAR 2.0>0.2
WN LAS-LAX MAR 12>11
WN LAS-MAF JAN 1.2>2
WN LAS-MSY JAN 1.2>1.9
WN LAS-OAK JAN 8>9 FEB 8>9 MAR 8>9
WN LAS-ONT FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5
WN LAS-PHX JAN 13>11 FEB 12>11 MAR 13>11
WN LAS-SFO JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
WN LAX-MSY MAR 1.0>1.8
WN LAX-SFO JAN 11>9 FEB 11>9 MAR 11>9
WN LAX-STL JAN 1.0>1.7 FEB 1.0>1.7 MAR 1.1>1.8
WN LAX-TUS JAN 4>3 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
WN LGA-MKE JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
WN LIT-MCO MAR 1.0>0.1
WN MCI-MSP JAN 0>1.8 FEB 1.0>1.9
WN MCI-STL JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
WN MCO-MBJ FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.7
WN MCO-MEM JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN MCO-MKE MAR 6>5
WN MCO-ORF JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 3>1.1
WN MCO-PHL FEB 7>5
WN MCO-SJU JAN 4>3
WN MDW-CUN JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1
WN MDW-MBJ JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.8
WN MDW-MEM JAN 0>2 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>1.8
WN MDW-MHT MAR 3>2
WN MDW-MSP MAR 8>7
WN MDW-MSY JAN 1.3>3
WN MDW-OKC JAN 1.7>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0
WN MDW-PUJ JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.9
WN MDW-PVD MAR 3>2
WN MDW-RNO JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.1
WN MDW-ROC JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>1.8
WN MDW-SDF MAR 5>3
WN MDW-TUL JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN MEM-TPA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
WN MKE-PHX JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2
WN MSP-STL MAR 3>2.0
WN OKC-STL JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.7>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
WN ONT-SJC JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
WN ONT-SMF JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>6
WN ORF-TPA JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
WN PBI-PHL JAN 1.8>1.0
WN PBI-PIT MAR 1.0>0.1
WN PBI-PVD FEB 0.5>0.1
WN PDX-RNO JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2.0>1.1
WN PDX-SMF FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5
WN PIT-TPA JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3
WN SAN-SFO FEB 9>8
WN SAN-SMF MAR 10>9
WN SAT-CUN JAN 0.5>0.1 FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.5>0
WN SDF-STL JAN 1.7>0.3 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.8>0
WN SDF-TPA MAR 1.9>1.3
WN SEA-SLC MAR 3>2
WN SEA-STL JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
WN SFO-SNA JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
WN SJC-SNA JAN 8>9 FEB 8>9
WN STL-TPA MAR 4>3

B6 YOY
B6 AUS-SFO MAR 1.4>1.0
B6 BDL-RSW JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 BDL-SJU JAN 1.0>1.6
B6 BDL-TPA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 BOS-AUA JAN 1.3>1.1 FEB 1.7>1.2 MAR 1.6>1.2
B6 BOS-BUF MAR 3>4
B6 BOS-BWI MAR 5>6
B6 BOS-CHS JAN 0>1.1 FEB 0.0>1.1
B6 BOS-CUN JAN 0.8>0.5 FEB 1.1>1.0
B6 BOS-HOU JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>2
B6 BOS-IAD MAR 3>4
B6 BOS-JAX JAN 1.0>1.8 FEB 1.0>1.9 MAR 1.0>2
B6 BOS-LAS FEB 3>1.7 MAR 3>1.8
B6 BOS-LAX MAR 3>1.8
B6 BOS-NAS FEB 1.2>0.8
B6 BOS-ORD JAN 1.7>3
B6 BOS-PBI FEB 6>5
B6 BOS-PHL JAN 0>5 FEB 0>5 MAR 0>5
B6 BOS-PIT JAN 2>4 MAR 3>4
B6 BOS-PLS MAR 0.2>0.3
B6 BOS-RDU JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
B6 BOS-RIC JAN 1.8>3 FEB 1.9>3 MAR 2>3
B6 BOS-RSW FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
B6 BOS-SAN FEB 1.0>1.7 MAR 1.0>1.9
B6 BOS-SEA JAN 0.6>1.6 FEB 0.8>1.6 MAR 1.0>1.7
B6 BOS-SJU FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
B6 BOS-STI JAN 0.6>0.9 MAR 0.6>0.4
B6 BOS-SXM MAR 0.5>0.3
B6 EWR-PBI JAN 1.4>3
B6 EWR-SJU JAN 1.0>1.6
B6 FLL-BOG JAN 1.0>1.6
B6 FLL-BOS MAR 8>7
B6 FLL-HPN FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
B6 FLL-LIM JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 FLL-MDE JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 FLL-NAS JAN 3>2
B6 FLL-ORH JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 FLL-PAP JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
B6 FLL-SDQ FEB 1.9>1.6 MAR 2>1.6
B6 FLL-SFO JAN 1.0>1.7 MAR 1.0>1.7
B6 FLL-SJO JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 FLL-SJU FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
B6 JAX-SJU JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-ABQ JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 JFK-AUA JAN 3>1.9 MAR 1.9>2
B6 JFK-BTV FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
B6 JFK-CHS JAN 0>2 FEB 0.1>2
B6 JFK-CTG JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.4>0.5
B6 JFK-CUN JAN 1.8>3
B6 JFK-LIR MAR 0.7>1.0
B6 JFK-LRM JAN 0.3>0.4 FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.3>0.5
B6 JFK-MBJ JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>2 MAR 1.6>2
B6 JFK-MSY FEB 4>3
B6 JFK-NAS JAN 1.3>3
B6 JFK-PAP JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 JFK-PBI JAN 5>6
B6 JFK-PLS JAN 1.1>1.3 FEB 1.4>1.6
B6 JFK-POP JAN 1.0>1.1
B6 JFK-PUJ JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>2 MAR 1.6>2
B6 JFK-ROC MAR 4>3
B6 JFK-SDQ JAN 5>6
B6 JFK-SRQ JAN 1.7>1.0
B6 JFK-SXM FEB 1.3>1.1
B6 JFK-TPA JAN 4>5 FEB 5>6
B6 JFK-UVF JAN 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.8>1.0
B6 LGB-LAS JAN 5>4
B6 MCO-BOG JAN 1.0>1.6
B6 MCO-BQN JAN 1.3>1.0
B6 MCO-BUF JAN 2>1.2
B6 MCO-CUN JAN 1.2>1.0
B6 MCO-NAS JAN 1.1>0.9 MAR 1.0>1.2
B6 MCO-ORH JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 MCO-RIC JAN 1.0>0.7
B6 MCO-SJO JAN 1.0>1.2
B6 MCO-SWF FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
B6 MCO-SYR JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
B6 ORD-SJU JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 Posted 2013-09-17 06:16:05 and read 8782 times.

B6 ORD-SJU JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
B6 PBI-SJU JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6
B6 TPA-SJU MAR 3>2

VX YOY
VX AUS-SFO JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
VX BOS-LAX MAR 3>1.4
VX EWR-LAX JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
VX EWR-SFO JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
VX FLL-LAX FEB 3>1.7 MAR 3>1.7
VX LAS-LAX JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
VX LAS-SFO FEB 7>6
VX LAX-CUN JAN 0.6>0.7 FEB 0.6>0.7
VX LAX-SJC JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4 MAR 0>4
VX PDX-SFO JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>3
VX PHL-SFO JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
VX SFO-CUN MAR 0.3>0.2
VX SFO-PVR MAR 0.2>0.3
VX SFO-SJD JAN 0.9>0.7

NK YOY
NK ACY-FLL MAR 2>3
NK ATL-DFW JAN 1.3>2
NK AZA-DFW JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK BWI-LAS JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DEN-DFW JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
NK DEN-DTW JAN 0>1.0
NK DEN-IAH JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DEN-PHX JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-CUN JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
NK DFW-IAH JAN 1.5>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 2>0
NK DFW-LAS FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
NK DFW-LAX JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-MSP JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-MSY JAN 0.3>1.0
NK DFW-PHL JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-PHX JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-SJD JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
NK DFW-TLC JAN 0.3>0
NK DTW-IAH JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK FLL-GUA JAN 0.6>0.7 FEB 0.6>0.7 MAR 0.5>0.7
NK FLL-MBJ JAN 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.7>1.0 MAR 0.7>1.0
NK FLL-MDE JAN 0.9>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0 MAR 0.8>1.0
NK FLL-PAP JAN 0.9>1.0
NK FLL-SAL JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
NK FLL-TPA JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
NK IAH-LAS JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
NK IAH-LAX JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK IAH-MCO JAN 0>1.0
NK LAS-MSP JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
NK LAS-PHL JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK LAX-MSP JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK MCO-MSP JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK MSP-PHX JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK MSP-TPA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK ORD-PHX JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK SAN-SJD JAN 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0

F9 does not have a schedule loaded through 3/31/2014 and so they are excluded.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-09-17 06:29:01 and read 8636 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Upgraded?
*DL ATL-VPS JAN 8>7 FEB 8>6 MAR 11>7 APR 10>7 MAY 10>7

Route gets 717 service starting in January and by March transitions to all 717 & MD88 service, replacing CR9s on the route.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-RIC JAN 5>3 FEB 5>4

This route is all over the place. Was to be 5x CRJ, now at ERJ, CR7, CR9 for January.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: WhatUSaid
Posted 2013-09-17 06:29:18 and read 8635 times.

Missed one. UA will go to 5x day on FAT-LAS in January. That's an increase of one departure.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-09-17 07:06:10 and read 8389 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-EYW JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5

EYW's growth amazes....just a few years ago it was a couple of ATRs to fla. now you have 5XATL on DL alone....

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-09-17 07:49:03 and read 8099 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA JFK-SCL JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
LA MIA-SCL JAN 1.3>1.4 FEB 1.8>1.9 MAR 1.6>1.8

During JAN, LA operates SCL-MIA up to 15x weekly. During FEB, LA operates SCL-MIA up to 19x weekly. During MAR, LA operates SCL-MIA up to 15x weekly.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2013-09-17 08:12:28 and read 7962 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
NK DFW-IAH JAN 1.5>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 2>0

What is up with that?


But some IAH "love":

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
NK DTW-IAH JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
NK DEN-IAH JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
NK IAH-LAS JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
NK IAH-LAX JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK IAH-MCO JAN 0>1.0

Interesting

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-09-17 08:56:37 and read 7753 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

B6 BOS-RIC JAN 1.8>3 FEB 1.9>3 MAR 2>3
B6 BOS-PIT JAN 2>4 MAR 3>4
B6 BOS-ORD JAN 1.7>3
B6 BOS-BWI MAR 5>6
B6 BOS-BUF MAR 3>4
B6 BOS-RDU JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5


Good increase in business routes from BOS here.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

B6 BOS-LAX MAR 3>1.8
VX BOS-LAX MAR 3>1.4

Looks like no winners and only losers in the BOS-LAX five airline war (DL only enters the war seasonally).

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-09-17 09:01:19 and read 7726 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 7):

What is up with that?

I'm a little surprised NK wasn't able to make DFWIAH work since Dallas/Houston fares regularly start at $350rt all in, which is incredible considering DALHOU pretty much started the low fare revolution. That said, it's also a schedule driven market and 2/day ain't gonna cut it.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: diverdave
Posted 2013-09-17 09:15:57 and read 7632 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-HSV JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 APR 9>8

Interesting. It looks like the CR2s will disappear from HSV-ATL in the near future (except for two weeks around Christmas and New Year's), and our service to ATL will be CR9s and 717s.

Kind of surprising, I expected we would be a legacy CR2 market given the short distance HSV-ATL.

HSV-DTW remains CR2, operated by Endeavor Air whom I had never heard of before today.

enilria, thank you for your weekly schedule posts!   

David

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-09-17 09:20:46 and read 7588 times.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 10):
Interesting. It looks like the CR2s will disappear from HSV-ATL in the near future (except for two weeks around Christmas and New Year's), and our service to ATL will be CR9s and 717s.

Kind of surprising, I expected we would be a legacy CR2 market given the short distance HSV-ATL.

HSV-DTW remains CR2, operated by Endeavor Air whom I had never heard of before today.

As it is today, ATL-HSV sees a mix of CRJ, D95, A319, M88 so it makes sense to be one of the earlier 717 markets as the DC-9s retire and use the A319 & MD88s on longer routes. This gets 2-class service on each flight.

Endeavor Air is the new name for Pinnacle.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: SouthernDC9
Posted 2013-09-17 09:59:50 and read 7363 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Funny they add p2p CUN routes, but MEM can't even work in MAR!
*DL MEM-CUN FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0

MEM is just a sad little panda these days, I'm very curious to see how WN performs there... not sure what kind of advertising/promos they're doing in MEM, but the city is so failure-prone lately when it comes to aviation, I fear it could be a complete flop.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: Coronado
Posted 2013-09-17 10:09:08 and read 7297 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Upgraded?
*DL ATL-VPS JAN 8>7 FEB 8>6 MAR 11>7 APR 10>7 MAY 10>7

Looks like 3 717's per day in Feb, plus 3 CR9's, but with no CR2's operating any longer.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2013-09-17 10:19:40 and read 7246 times.

There appear to be a number of DL ATL routes where CR2 frequency is being dropped in favor of larger aircraft beginning in January. ATL-AVL sees an single MD-88 added, the largest aircraft on that route since DL dropped mainline to AVL in 1995 (and since mainline returned in 2012).

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: Coronado
Posted 2013-09-17 10:35:56 and read 7163 times.

Quoting Coronado (Reply 13):
Upgraded?
*DL ATL-VPS JAN 8>7 FEB 8>6 MAR 11>7 APR 10>7 MAY 10>7

In March a rather impressive schedule with 6 717's and one MD88 each day. Ah spring break! and no CR2's!

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: SELMER40
Posted 2013-09-17 11:58:15 and read 6810 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Q7 What is this?

Q7 is also the code for Sky Bahamas. Their web site says they have received authority for more US cities.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-09-17 12:09:43 and read 6730 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-EYW JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5

EYW's growth amazes....just a few years ago it was a couple of ATRs to fla. now you have 5XATL on DL alone....

I was actually wondering if this a record for most DL flights in the market?

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
NK DFW-IAH JAN 1.5>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 2>0
What is up with that?

It failed.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I'm a little surprised NK wasn't able to make DFWIAH work since Dallas/Houston fares regularly start at $350rt all in, which is incredible considering DALHOU pretty much started the low fare revolution. That said, it's also a schedule driven market and 2/day ain't gonna cut it.

NK is doing really well competing with AA and to a lesser extent DL. I don't think UA is being so easy on them. They were at war in DEN with UA.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 10):
Kind of surprising, I expected we would be a legacy CR2 market given the short distance HSV-ATL.

True

Quoting diverdave (Reply 10):
HSV-DTW remains CR2, operated by Endeavor Air whom I had never heard of before today.

enilria, thank you for your weekly schedule posts!

Thanks...

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
Endeavor Air is the new name for Pinnacle.

Same crummy airline, however...although the fault lies more with the company than the employees IMHO. Having said that, if you pay that poorly you aren't going to get the best people and even if you did, they aren't going to be motivated.

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 12):
MEM is just a sad little panda these days

LOL

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-09-17 13:24:30 and read 6245 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
NK DEN-IAH JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

This can't make F9 happy.....

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: ScottB
Posted 2013-09-17 14:08:24 and read 5954 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I'm a little surprised NK wasn't able to make DFWIAH work since Dallas/Houston fares regularly start at $350rt all in, which is incredible considering DALHOU pretty much started the low fare revolution. That said, it's also a schedule driven market and 2/day ain't gonna cut it.

You're not going to get much traction just based on low fares between IAH & DFW. If you're heavily fare-motivated, by the time you've driven to the airport, parked in a remote lot, taken a shuttle to the terminal and cleared TSA, you could be halfway to Dallas or Houston. DAL-HOU is something like 70% of the market even in spite of higher fares than DFW-IAH.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN AUS-HOU JAN 6>4 FEB 6>4 MAR 6>4

Less and less worth flying with speed limits at 70-75 mph.

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 12):
MEM is just a sad little panda these days

IMO it's going to get worse for the DL operation now that they've unwound much of the hub connectivity for apparently no good reason. A route like MEM-MSY can't sustain 3 daily CRJ round-trips without a hub at either end.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN ATL-BDL JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
WN ATL-BUF JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0
WN ATL-BWI FEB 9>8 MAR 9>7
WN ATL-CAK JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
WN ATL-DAY JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2
WN ATL-FLL JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7
WN ATL-HOU MAR 8>7
WN ATL-JAX JAN 4>3
WN ATL-LGA JAN 8>6 FEB 8>6 MAR 8>6
WN ATL-MCO JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 10>9
WN ATL-MDW JAN 10>8 FEB 10>8 MAR 10>8
WN ATL-MEM JAN 5>0 FEB 5>0 MAR 5>0
WN ATL-MKE FEB 5>4
WN ATL-NAS JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.4 MAR 0.9>0.5
WN ATL-OKC JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
WN ATL-PHL JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
WN ATL-PNS JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 4>0
WN ATL-SAN JAN 0>1.2 FEB 0>1.5 MAR 0>2.0
WN ATL-SAT JAN 4>3 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 4>3
WN ATL-SJU JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1

Pretty big cuts for WN/FL at ATL -- roughly 15 daily departures year-over-year on average. Perhaps ameliorated a little bit if 73G's or 738's are backfilling for 717's.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-09-17 17:12:55 and read 5177 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 19):
You're not going to get much traction just based on low fares between IAH & DFW.

I'm not so sure--you essentially have three legacy carriers on the route charging fares that are incredibly high yield; similar distance markets have fares that are around half of QDA/QHX. And as fares have gone up, capacity has gone down, with UA down a third and WN down about a fifth since 2008 alone.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-09-17 17:22:30 and read 5121 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I'm not so sure--you essentially have three legacy carriers on the route charging fares that are incredibly high yield; similar distance markets have fares that are around half of QDA/QHX. And as fares have gone up, capacity has gone down, with UA down a third and WN down about a fifth since 2008 alone.

DFW/DAL-IAH/HOU is all about frequency frequency frequency. Fare sensitive people drive.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: threeifbyair
Posted 2013-09-17 17:29:18 and read 5095 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-SEA APR 3>4 MAY 3>4

Interesting. DL is presumably resuming the current schedule (ex-SEA, it was early AM, mid AM, early PM, red-eye) earlier in Spring 2014 than planned. Cruise season starts in May and DL was running a substantial schedule this summer, so I expect DL is continuing to win a lot of cruise business.

I especially like the afternoon SEA-DTW flight, which feeds the 10PM bank out of DTW to Northeast cities. Much more civilized than getting up at 5AM for eastbound travel and even though you arrive late, your body is still on Pacific time.

Also, DTW is the largest O&D destination ex-SEA that AS does not serve. DL would probably prefer to keep it that way.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-09-17 18:03:28 and read 4914 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 19):

Pretty big cuts for WN/FL at ATL -- roughly 15 daily departures year-over-year on average. Perhaps ameliorated a little bit if 73G's or 738's are backfilling for 717's.

Yup. DL is loving the fact SWA took over.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: ScottB
Posted 2013-09-17 18:18:55 and read 4830 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I'm not so sure--you essentially have three legacy carriers on the route charging fares that are incredibly high yield; similar distance markets have fares that are around half of QDA/QHX.

You can repeat that tired false meme all you like, but it isn't actually true. Compare the average QDF-QHO fare of $158 in 2013Q1 to real legacy-only short-haul markets like ATL-BNA ($306), CHI-CVG ($336 with three different legacy carriers "competing"), BOS-PHL ($281), PHL-PIT ($272), NYC-RIC ($313), or DFW-MEM ($329). Sure, you can find B6 charging $92 on average between LAS & LGB, but they're flying a crappy schedule from an uncompetitive airport with little feed at either end -- so there's no other way to fill the planes. Between BOS and JFK, B6 is 15% lower than WN's DAL-HOU and again that's because they're using an undesirable airport in NYC.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
And as fares have gone up, capacity has gone down, with UA down a third and WN down about a fifth since 2008 alone.

WN has cut a fair amount of capacity because they used to fly a lot of empty seats between DAL & HOU in order to offer a flight every half hour.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
DFW/DAL-IAH/HOU is all about frequency frequency frequency. Fare sensitive people drive.

   Thirty years ago, the speed limit was 55 mph all the way from Houston to Dallas and there were plenty of small-town cops hiding on I-45 to hand out tickets to meet their quotas; you'd be lucky to do the drive in five hours. The speed limit is 75 mph for most of the way now and the drive is very doable in three-and-a-half hours. And the TSA certainly hasn't helped matters.

If you're price-sensitive, you're parking in the cheap lots at IAH or DFW and by that point, it costs less and takes less time to drive.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2013-09-17 18:21:07 and read 4922 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAD-SLC DEC 0.8>0.1 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0

I didn't even know there was UA service from IAD to SLC.

Looks like DL's connections at SLC make all the difference.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: Indy
Posted 2013-09-17 18:24:10 and read 4886 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL BOS-IND JAN 3>1.8

Just 1.8? Correct me if I am wrong but that is the only service on this route. 1.8 and all RJ to a market like Boston?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: OA412
Posted 2013-09-17 18:34:43 and read 4910 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 25):
Looks like DL's connections at SLC make all the difference.

Actually DL no longer flies SLC-IAD. They dropped it about a year or so ago. They do however continue to fly 2x SLC-DCA and 2x SLC-BWI.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-09-17 18:35:40 and read 4893 times.

Quoting Indy (Reply 26):

Maybe DL is trying to squeeze as much yield from Biz people on the route. Less seats equal more expensive seats  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: Flytravel
Posted 2013-09-17 18:37:47 and read 4885 times.

WN/FL's PHL-ATL returns to 4x in March. The 3x drop felt like it was on direction that WN was going to cut it altogether like PHL-RDU that dropped to 3x before being axed, but the bump back up to 4x might mean it remains as the southbound connection out of PHL.

I'm not sure what the long term ATL strategy is if markets like CAK and DAY will keep ATL on WN. But CAK lost MDW but still has FL service to ATL.

I know WN dropped MDT as it was a small Florida only station for FL. But, WN could actually compete well against DL on MDT-ATL like it does on CAK-ATL and DAY-ATL which are out of small market eastern US airports. If MDT is within 90 minutes to BWI that people in Central PA might defect to BWI and have some affinity to WN already, WN could extend to where it's strong and be competitive to ATL and Chicago services from that market. I doubt MDT pax would choose loyalty to DL as an airline given the choice, as DL won't fly nonstop to destinations like MCO or Chicago.

[Edited 2013-09-17 18:40:27]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: steeler83
Posted 2013-09-17 18:39:46 and read 4865 times.

In the PIT discussion it is mentioned that DL is axing PIT-NAS after only a few weeks. Not sure why. IIRC, it was (or it's supposed to be) operated by either a CR7 or CR9. Was there a mention of DL getting the DOT green light to start PIT-CUN in December?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: Sevensixtyseven
Posted 2013-09-17 18:49:06 and read 4806 times.

It seems ABQ and PHX are both shrinking by a degree. Over the past few months, ABQ seems to be shrinking and shrinking, with no stopping. We see a total of zero of anything larger than a 737-700, with rare exceptions. WN cut several destinations, and is now shrinking existing destinations. Once, we had 16-17 flights a day to Phoenix on all carriers, and now we only see 10-12 at best, half of which is on CRJs. Can the market just not support much of anything anymore?

As far as PHX, they seem to be more stagnant, with things being "optimized" slowly.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-09-17 19:32:02 and read 4576 times.

Quoting Indy (Reply 26):

Just 1.8? Correct me if I am wrong but that is the only service on this route. 1.8 and all RJ to a market like Boston?

2x weekdays, 1x Sat & Sun E70 service

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-09-17 19:43:36 and read 4500 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 24):
You can repeat that tired false meme all you like, but it isn't actually true.

I was talking about lowest filed fares, but DALHOU is consistently one of the highest yield major routes in the country, whether you're looking at unit revenue or stage length adjusted. One of the highest as in top 5-10 for anything over 500 pax PDEW

Quoting ScottB (Reply 24):
short-haul markets like ATL-BNA ($306), CHI-CVG ($336 with three different legacy carriers "competing"), BOS-PHL ($281), PHL-PIT ($272), NYC-RIC ($313), or DFW-MEM ($329)

ATLBNA and BOSPHL have one carrier in 13Q1. DFWMEM, NYCRIC, and CVGORD are about a tenth the size of Dallas/Houston. The fact that you have to look at routes like these to find routes that are higher yield than a hub to hub, multi airport, 3+ airline route says a lot about how good the fares are.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 24):
WN has cut a fair amount of capacity because they used to fly a lot of empty seats between DAL & HOU in order to offer a flight every half hour.

The local fare is *way* up, probably easily double what it was in 2000, hence where WN could once upon a time run over 30 daily flights, they're down to around 20

Quoting ScottB (Reply 24):
Thirty years ago, the speed limit was 55 mph

Thirty years ago WN's cost advantage was enormous and the TSA wasn't even a thought on the horizon. Who cares what the speed limit was.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-09-17 19:52:22 and read 4454 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-SJC JAN 2>1.2

Amazing - I haven't followed AA in SJC but I would have thought this would've been a 3x or 4x route for them.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-BOS DEC 18>17

Crazy.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):

This can't make F9 happy.....

I'm sure UA's thrilled as well.

-Dave

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: BoeingMerica
Posted 2013-09-17 19:59:52 and read 4420 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
As it is today, ATL-HSV sees a mix of CRJ, D95, A319, M88 so it makes sense to be one of the earlier 717 markets as the DC-9s retire and use the A319 & MD88s on longer routes.

So if that is where the incoming 717 is going. Is it possible TLH sees the birds as well? They get a mix of the same birds. Same short hop, same size city. I'm hoping to see the -200s leave ASAP. Being 6'3-4 I can't stand them.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2013-09-17 20:14:49 and read 4341 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 34):
I'm sure UA's thrilled as well.

With biz contracts and a fflyer base I'd presume probably less worried than the "new" Frontier.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-09-17 20:43:34 and read 4229 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 36):
With biz contracts and a fflyer base I'd presume probably less worried than the "new" Frontier.

Oh, I agree fully. Nonetheless, it's one more carrier in the market, and someone who may have paid UA $200 DEN-IAH might now choose NK for $120 (hypotheticals) - not a huge loss to UA but the market is finite.

-Dave

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: MSPNWA
Posted 2013-09-17 21:57:15 and read 3994 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-VPS JAN 8>7 FEB 8>6 MAR 11>7 APR 10>7 MAY 10>7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-RIC JAN 5>3 FEB 5>4

These are examples of the shift I was expecting to see with the addition of 717s and draw-down of CR2s. ATL is going to be a 717/mainline hotbed. It's the only hub that has high-frequency CR2 routes that can easily be adjusted to larger CRJs/mainline without giving up too many frequencies to match the hub structure. Compare the ATL changes to DTW-RIC. A route currently at about 5x CR2 is about the bare minimum to survive a shift to large CRJs/mainline, and DTW and MSP have plenty of them. Cutting frequency to as low as 3x really starts to limit your connection opportunities. That trims your connecting traffic, which triggers more cuts. It's a vicious downward cycle. We saw it with the SF3 routes, and now we'll see it with the CR2 routes.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 19):
Pretty big cuts for WN/FL at ATL -- roughly 15 daily departures year-over-year on average. Perhaps ameliorated a little bit if 73G's or 738's are backfilling for 717's.

Undoubtedly some are upgauges across ATL as the 717s leave the fleet. Would be interesting to know how many and if capacity changed significantly.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2013-09-18 04:33:37 and read 3552 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 25):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):UA IAD-SLC DEC 0.8>0.1 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0
I didn't even know there was UA service from IAD to SLC.

I saw that and wondered if it might be the prelude to UA restarting CO's SLC-EWR route.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-09-18 05:20:49 and read 3438 times.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 38):
These are examples of the shift I was expecting to see with the addition of 717s and draw-down of CR2s. ATL is going to be a 717/mainline hotbed. It's the only hub that has high-frequency CR2 routes that can easily be adjusted to larger CRJs/mainline without giving up too many frequencies to match the hub structure. Compare the ATL changes to DTW-RIC. A route currently at about 5x CR2 is about the bare minimum to survive a shift to large CRJs/mainline, and DTW and MSP have plenty of them. Cutting frequency to as low as 3x really starts to limit your connection opportunities. That trims your connecting traffic, which triggers more cuts. It's a vicious downward cycle. We saw it with the SF3 routes, and now we'll see it with the CR2 routes.

Exactly. ATL is such a high frequency hub, they can reduce frequency/upgauge aircraft size and still maintain good connecting flows.

DTW is a highly banked hub and most cities still need 3-5 flights per day to maintain good connectivity (A.M west coast & Florida departures, early afternoon Asia flights, late afternoon Asia & Europe flights, evening west coast/Florida/Europe/east coast flights)

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 35):
So if that is where the incoming 717 is going. Is it possible TLH sees the birds as well? They get a mix of the same birds. Same short hop, same size city. I'm hoping to see the -200s leave ASAP. Being 6'3-4 I can't stand them.

First scheduled 717 markets out of ATL:
EWR
CLE
LIT
ECP
VPS

The CRJ-200 fleete is being drawn-down over the next 3 years, with about 125 to remain beyond that time.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2013-09-18 05:23:30 and read 3413 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 34):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-SJC JAN 2>1.2

Amazing - I haven't followed AA in SJC but I would have thought this would've been a 3x or 4x route for them.

Considering that SJC is a former hub for AA, yeah, that is pretty amazing.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-09-18 06:18:42 and read 3222 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 19):
Pretty big cuts for WN/FL at ATL -- roughly 15 daily departures year-over-year on average. Perhaps ameliorated a little bit if 73G's or 738's are backfilling for 717's.

No argument there

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 22):
Interesting. DL is presumably resuming the current schedule (ex-SEA, it was early AM, mid AM, early PM, red-eye) earlier in Spring 2014 than planned.

That is interesting. DL is adding a lot of shoulder flying next year. We will see if it sticks.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 22):
DL would probably prefer to keep it that way.

They are full of partner love over there. (KE/AS/EY?)

Quoting toobz (Reply 23):
Yup. DL is loving the fact SWA took over.

Truly

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 25):
I didn't even know there was UA service from IAD to SLC.
Looks like DL's connections at SLC make all the difference.
Quoting OA412 (Reply 27):
Actually DL no longer flies SLC-IAD.

Is WN flying BWI-SLC?

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 34):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-BOS DEC 18>17

Crazy.

I guess they only need 17 to sit on B6.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2013-09-18 08:34:31 and read 3012 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 42):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 25):I didn't even know there was UA service from IAD to SLC.
Looks like DL's connections at SLC make all the difference.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 27):Actually DL no longer flies SLC-IAD.

Is WN flying BWI-SLC?

Good point.

Flightaware shows one WN BWI-SLC round-trip a day.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: ScottB
Posted 2013-09-18 12:55:03 and read 2762 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 33):
Thirty years ago WN's cost advantage was enormous and the TSA wasn't even a thought on the horizon. Who cares what the speed limit was.

The speed limit matters because the drive today takes over an hour less than it did before, so the automobile is a far more potent competitor to flying than it once was. This is true all over the country -- BOS-HPN once saw service on multiple carriers but has been unserved for close to a decade. WN has pulled out of most intra-Florida markets over the past few years because it's generally more convenient to drive.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 33):
I was talking about lowest filed fares, but DALHOU is consistently one of the highest yield major routes in the country, whether you're looking at unit revenue or stage length adjusted. One of the highest as in top 5-10 for anything over 500 pax PDEW

Sure it is -- but that's largely because it's also one of the shortest high-density routes out there, and there are a bunch of fixed costs which apply to all flights, regardless of whether they are 250 miles or 2500 miles in length. WN historically had one of the highest yields in the industry because their network was so biased toward short segments.

And WN's pricing strategy over the years has been atypical, in that the spread between the walk-up fare and the discounted fare tends to be narrow. The discounted DAL-HOU fare currently runs $79, while the walk-up fare is $192.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 33):
ATLBNA and BOSPHL have one carrier in 13Q1. DFWMEM, NYCRIC, and CVGORD are about a tenth the size of Dallas/Houston. The fact that you have to look at routes like these to find routes that are higher yield than a hub to hub, multi airport, 3+ airline route says a lot about how good the fares are.

It's tough to find many largeish routes these days where WN or another LCC doesn't actually impact pricing. And part of the reason why DFW-MEM is such a small market is the ludicrous pricing. There's no good reason why QDF-LIT should be 2.5 times larger than DFW-MEM apart from the fact that it costs nearly $200 more to fly the extra 128 miles. MEM may not be the most vibrant market, but it's still a lot bigger than LIT.

And the comparison between CHI-CVG and CHI-CMH is also illustrative. CHI-CMH is nearly four times larger by traffic, mostly because the fares are half of the average for CHI-CVG. Both city pairs have three competitors, but only one has WN as one of the competitors.

STL-MCI is a WN-only market (they have 100.0% market share) and yet the average fare is less than half of ATL-BNA or BOS-PHL.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 33):
The local fare is *way* up, probably easily double what it was in 2000, hence where WN could once upon a time run over 30 daily flights, they're down to around 20

The local fare on WN ($161) is almost double, but not quite ($82) what it was in 2000. But then everything has gotten more expensive. Fuel is 3-4x what it was in 2000, salaries are up, facilities costs are up, 737's cost more, etc.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-09-18 13:00:58 and read 2756 times.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 41):
Considering that SJC is a former hub for AA, yeah, that is pretty amazing.

No it's not. AA has completely gutted SJC. Any cutback at SJC is no surprise at all, At least SJC is still better than OAK, BUR and LGB in AA's eyes.

Don't forget that UA dropped SJC-ORD too.

AS should step in and start SJC-ORD.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: Indy
Posted 2013-09-18 15:06:37 and read 2618 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 32):
2x weekdays, 1x Sat & Sun E70 service

That is very thin on service. When you consider international connections in Boston, how much does that really leave for O/D?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-09-18 15:36:31 and read 2590 times.

Quoting Indy (Reply 46):

That is very thin on service. When you consider international connections in Boston, how much does that really leave for O/D?

Some numbers from DOT - This includes IND-BOS/MHT/PVD

Q1 2013

PDEW = 177
Market Leader= DL
Low Fare Leader WN
Market Share WN- 14.5%
Market Share DL- 41%
Avg Price = 274.43
Avg Price WN = $234.71
Avg Price DL $316.58


Looks like DL is right sizing it for January/Early February only since the three dailys remain starting mid-February.

DL is confident they at least fill 2/3 of the flights with $400+ round trips and get some high yielding walkups as the cherry on top.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-09-18 15:52:57 and read 2541 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 44):
The speed limit matters because the drive today takes over an hour less than it did before,

It's such a small factor compared to the huge cost advantage WN had, which was passed onto passengers, and ability to checkin quickly rather than the hour+ TSA hassle we have today.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 44):
there are a bunch of fixed costs which apply to all flights, regardless of whether they are 250 miles or 2500 miles in length

Only BOSNYC and a couple intra island Hawaii flights are higher yield than DALHOU. It's a high fare market.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 44):
The local fare on WN ($161) is almost double, but not quite ($82) what it was in 2000. But then everything has gotten more expensive. Fuel is 3-4x what it was in 2000, salaries are up, facilities costs are up, 737's cost more, etc.

Double 2000 fares is still extraordinary and rare, as overall domestic US fares are flat to down in real terms. This ain't your father's WN.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 44):
And the comparison between CHI-CVG and CHI-CMH is also illustrative. CHI-CMH is nearly four times larger by traffic, mostly because the fares are half of the average for CHI-CVG. Both city pairs have three competitors, but only one has WN as one of the competitors.

As much as legacy carriers and WN have converged over the years, they're still entirely different models. Legacy carriers are probably 70+% flow on CVG and CMH, whereas WN is the reverse. WN has kept the CHICMH fare down, but it has clearly pushed them up in DALHOU. WN calls the tune and UA/AA are happy to match--fares don't just double without WN letting them.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: Flytravel
Posted 2013-09-18 18:20:53 and read 2383 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 48):
WN has kept the CHICMH fare down, but it has clearly pushed them up in DALHOU.
CMH-MDW fares aren't so low. It's $92 advance purchase. It's at fare WN is comfortable at but leisure pax that can drive, and a family/group of 3 or more can probably get a better value by driving the route and spending a night in a hotel in Indy area on Friday night.

WN fares from Ohio to CHI are not like the WN fares in California where WN will sell OAK-SAN for $79 advance purchase which is longer than CMH-MDW. The west has more competition but in the east, WN is only in check by NK and B6 that have such limited coverage.

As NK is going after the leisure crowd, it'll probably not want to fly routes where the drive is under 7 hours, with few exceptions aside.

[Edited 2013-09-18 18:23:30]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/20/2013: DL/UA/WN
Username: Surfandsnow
Posted 2013-09-19 03:51:14 and read 2199 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AM SFO-GDL NOV 0.5>0 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.4
AM SFO-MLM DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.3

GDL-SFO isn't really a surprising add by AM, though it will be interesting to see how AM fares against the established UA service. Also there's the ever-present threat of Y4 starting SFO service...

MLM-SFO is much more surprising IMO. AM typically serves the U.S. from major Mexican hubs like MEX, GDL, MTY, or CUN, not p2p routes like this.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-EYW JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5

Amazing. This is now 4x daily 73G and 1x daily CR7. A far cry from what was offered in the pre-FL days!

Anybody know if WN would be able to do EYW-ATL nonstop? I read on here that WN grudgingly added EYW-MSY because they couldn't do a nonstop EYW-HOU for westbound connectivity. I realize that ATL wouldn't offer much additional network connectivity, but I have to think the Atlanta market has superior O&D to MCO, MSY, and TPA.

I also can't help but wonder about other airlines. AA now has the A319, perhaps capable of doing EYW-DFW/ORD? UA has the 73G, perhaps capable of doing EYW-EWR/IAH/ORD? B6 has the E-190, perhaps capable of doing EYW-JFK?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-GRB APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2

This is already going to 2x daily?!? GRB really hasn't been able to support anything beyond the primary Midwestern hubs in its rival NFC North markets (DTW, MSP, and ORD). Attempts at CLE, DEN, and DFW were short-lived, while CVG and MKE services fed into unsustainable smaller hubs. I'm pleasantly surprised to see ATL doing so well!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MCO-NAS JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0

I really don't understand why this route has been attractive to so many airlines. In the past 10 years or so, at least 6 carriers (AA, B6, DL, FL, NK, and UP) have flown it. In the end, the only ones still flying it are B6 (1x daily E-190) and UP (1x daily 735). It just doesn't seem like that big/important of a market, but like TPA-CUN, everyone wants to keep trying it...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Funny they add p2p CUN routes, but MEM can't even work in MAR!
*DL MEM-CUN FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0

This leaves MEM with absolutely no international service. I can't say I'm all that surprised about this specific route failing, though. Local economic issues aside, Memphis has pretty mild winters - its residents never really get cold enough to where they desperately need a tropical beach vacation. This is why a relatively large southern market like MSY doesn't have regularly scheduled nonstop service to CUN, while a much smaller northern market like LAN does.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
How long did that last>?
*DL PIT-NAS FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0

It ended long before it ever actually began! Then again, like CUN, there will be some NAS/PUJ p2p routes that earn their keep, and others that quietly go away. DL still serves NAS from its hubs at ATL, DTW, LGA, and MSP, and even after cutting MCO and PIT they still plan to offer nonstops from IND and RDU (unless I missed those cuts in other threads). Out of PIT, DL also added nonstop service to PUJ and applied for the authority to serve CUN. Surely they received approval to serve PIT-CUN, but I don't believe they officially added it...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA DEN-GFK DEC 1.1>0.2 JAN 1.5>0 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.6>0 APR 1.5>0 MAY 1.6>0

I'm quite surprised that this fails, whilst something like DEN-SHV is apparently successful. Maybe GFK could try to get a less than daily F9 service going, though.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAD-SLC DEC 0.8>0.1 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0

DL let UA have the route all to themselves (granted, they now offer 2x daily SLC-DCA) and it still failed?!? I guess D.C. O&D traffic avoids IAD just like New Yorkers avoid JFK, and there are few network connections unique to IAD (that can't be done through DEN, IAH, or ORD).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN BOS-MCO JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.1 MAR 1.2>0.2

The North-South strongholds of B6 on the East Coast must be same as those of AS on the West Coast? WN would rather not directly compete but run a bunch of one stops through intermediate points (i.e. ATL, BNA, BWI).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN BUR-LAS JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 10>9
WN BUR-OAK JAN 13>12 FEB 13>12 MAR 14>12
WN BUR-PHX JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
WN BUR-SJC JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7
WN BUR-SMF JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7

When will the cuts at BUR stop?!? I don't want to single out WN here, but the trend is alarming...

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN SAT-CUN JAN 0.5>0.1 FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.5>0

So is that it for this route? Not a huge surprise, although I figured this would have gotten a huge boost with the codeshare implementation (i.e. DAL/HOU/LAS/LAX/PHX/SAN-SAT-CUN).

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 JFK-CTG JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.4>0.5

That's a pretty good sign...Is this doing well?

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
NK DFW-IAH JAN 1.5>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 2>0

Once NK started offering nonstop IAH services, there was no more need to connect via DFW. Can't say I'm surprised.


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