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Topic: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: Logos
Posted 2013-09-20 05:59:51 and read 10346 times.

Just saw this on WKMG TV. Alligiant is grounding its MD80s in order to inspect evacuation slides which it discovered were somehow out of compliance yesterday. Apparently 4 of them are sitting on the ground at SFB. if this is a duplicate thread, feel free to delete, but I couldn't find it elsewhere.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-09-20 06:04:25 and read 10292 times.

Now which type of MD80 is this? I know they have a sizable fleet of 82s and 83s. None are 88s. Is it both 82 and 83?

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: HiFlyerAS
Posted 2013-09-20 06:54:14 and read 9997 times.

A hefty fine could be in store for G4 if they've been flying these a/c around for any length of time while out of compliance. Curious if they'd missed an inspection or what the issue is.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: tjwgrr
Posted 2013-09-20 08:27:51 and read 9584 times.

Looks like it might be the – 82's. FlightAware currently shows – 83's and no -82's currently airborne.

http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/AAY

[Edited 2013-09-20 09:22:25]

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: KarlB737
Posted 2013-09-20 08:50:37 and read 9457 times.

Courtesy: WKMG-TV

Allegiant Air Grounds Flights At Orlando-Sanford International Airport

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/all...132/22036920/-/w443eb/-/index.html


Courtesy: Bloomberg News

Allegiant To Park Almost Half Of Jet Fleet To Fix Slides

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...leet-to-fix-slides.html?cmpid=yhoo

[Edited 2013-09-20 08:58:07]

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: HiFlyerAS
Posted 2013-09-20 08:56:44 and read 9408 times.

Just a few days ago, on Sept 16th, G4 had an evacuation due to smoke in the cabin on a LAS taxiway. I can't help but think that there's a connection...slide failure?

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: MDPIC
Posted 2013-09-20 09:36:39 and read 9173 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

Allegiant does operate 88's.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: sunking737
Posted 2013-09-20 09:56:25 and read 9047 times.

They posted the announcement on their Face Book page this morning. Better to be safe then sorry.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: b757capt
Posted 2013-09-20 10:37:04 and read 8872 times.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 5):

I am told that no slides deployed due to improper installation.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: national757
Posted 2013-09-20 10:40:42 and read 8849 times.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 5):
Just a few days ago, on Sept 16th, G4 had an evacuation due to smoke in the cabin on a LAS taxiway. I can't help but think that there's a connection

You are correct, there is a connection between the evacuation on 9/16 and this mandatory inspection per ABC News/AP

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSto...lays-inspect-md-80-slides-20318283

Allegiant Delays Flights to Inspect MD-80 Slides
LAS VEGAS September 20, 2013 (AP)
By KEN RITTER Associated Press

Quote:

Allegiant Airlines took more than half of its fleet of MD-80 aircraft out of service Friday to inspect emergency slides, four days after passengers and crew members deployed the devices to escape to the tarmac when smoke was reported on an Allegiant plane in Las Vegas.

Las Vegas-based Allegiant Travel Co., parent company of the airline, issued a statement saying Friday's inspections were linked to an unspecified "compliance issue" found during a follow-up review of Monday's evacuation at McCarran International Airport.

"All of the slides on the aircraft involved in the evacuation Monday were up-to-date and compliant," company spokeswoman Jessica Wheeler said in an email. "However, that event triggered a maintenance review which found issues with other slides in our fleet."

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: sunking737
Posted 2013-09-20 11:05:04 and read 8716 times.

The latest from their Face Book page...

UPDATE 10:55 A.M. PDT:

Allegiant continues to address the situation involving re-inspection of emergency slides on the MD80 fleet. As of this update, 18 of 121 scheduled flights will not be completed today. Sixteen of those flights will operate Sept. 21, and two flights between Oakland, Ca. and Reno, Nv. will be cancelled. Allegiant is working to accommodate all affected passengers and will offer the following compensation:

Flights delayed less than four hours: $100 voucher for future travel.
Flights delayed 4-6 hours: $150 off voucher for future travel.
Flights delayed six or more hours: $200 voucher for future travel.
Cancelled flights: Full refund, $200 voucher for future travel.

For passengers delayed overnight, hotel accommodations and meals will be provided. For travel and compensation questions, please call Allegiant Customer Care at 702-505-8888.

Allegiant expects all Saturday flights, including those rescheduled by today’s delays, will operate as scheduled.

All passengers are encouraged to sign up for text alerts for the most up-to-date flight status information at http://gofly.us/ZN5Lyl.

Next update: 3 p.m. PDT.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: national757
Posted 2013-09-20 11:19:52 and read 8600 times.

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 10):
Flights delayed less than four hours: $100 voucher for future travel.
Flights delayed 4-6 hours: $150 off voucher for future travel.
Flights delayed six or more hours: $200 voucher for future travel.
Cancelled flights: Full refund, $200 voucher for future travel.


Anyone know how this compensation from Allegiant compares to the majors in similar cases where the airline is at fault for not completing travel as scheduled?

I understand G4 does not have Interline agreements with any of the majors however the compensation for cancelled flights is not sufficient. A full refund, while nice, does little when travelers have to buy full fare tickets to get to their destination due to a problem caused by the airline.

Ultimately this is the reason why I don't book Allegiant anymore - it's not worth the risk and added expense in case the airline is unable to complete travel as scheduled.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-09-20 11:41:48 and read 8485 times.

Hopefully they'll be back in air soon.

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Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: dlramp4life
Posted 2013-09-20 14:32:11 and read 8073 times.

Anybody got tail numbers of what aircraft are affected? It is nice how they are handling it though, usually during an IROP, G4 will make the pax wait for hours on end and provide them pizza for their mess up....

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: wjcandee
Posted 2013-09-20 16:36:53 and read 7738 times.

The details, according to one source, are as follows. They had the evac on Monday. In the course of doing a review thereof, they realized that McD had updated its guidance such that annual inspections were required for slides over 15 years old. The previous guidance was every 3 years. They had been doing the slide overhaul/inspections every 3 years. Grounded all the MDs until they could determine which ones were currently in compliance and which ones needed inspection/overhaul. 15 aircraft now back in the air, more coming along regularly. Plus the 2 A319s and 5 757s. They are looking to charter in whatever subservice they can in the meantime.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-09-20 16:41:45 and read 7717 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
I know they have a sizable fleet of 82s and 83s. None are 88s
Quoting MDPIC (Reply 6):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

Allegiant does operate 88's.

Fleet lists show 6 Allegiant MD-88s, 4 ex-Aeromexico and 2 originally delivered to Midwest.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: iowaman
Posted 2013-09-21 09:56:28 and read 3649 times.

Here's an article from the Las Vegas newspaper:

Quote:
During a routine investigation following the emergency evacuation of an Allegiant flight on Monday, the Federal Aviation Administration discovered the inflatable emergency slides that deploy from the sides of MD-80 jets were being overhauled only once every three years instead of annually, as required. Late Thursday evening, Allegiant then decided to remove from service all planes with noncompliant slides, leaving only 14 out of 49 available for service at the start of Friday. By Saturday, the number was projected to rise to 22 jets in service plus seven chartered from other carriers.

Besides these planes, Allegiant’s fleet includes two Airbus A319s and six Boeing 757s. Three other MD-80s are currently sidelined for regular overhauls.

Full article here, a good read: http://www.reviewjournal.com/busines...leet-more-problems-loom-days-ahead

It will be interesting to see what the financial impact of this will be. Their stock is doing very well but took a $5 drop Friday.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: LGA777
Posted 2013-09-21 10:40:24 and read 3550 times.

After reading the article the very end really surprised me re the stock price. I knew Allegiant was profitable but had no idea their stock was that high, see below last line from article.

Allegiant Travel Co. shares fell $5.08, or 4.93 percent, on Friday to close at $97.91 amid a broad market sell-off

Cheers

LGA777

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: roseflyer
Posted 2013-09-21 10:43:33 and read 3541 times.

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 3):
Looks like it might be the – 82's. FlightAware currently shows – 83's and no -82's currently airborne.

It would affect all MD series airplanes. The slide maintenance requirement is the same.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2013-09-21 12:27:36 and read 3369 times.

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 14):
The previous guidance was every 3 years. They had been doing the slide overhaul/inspections every 3 years

Looks like a Fine might need to be paid.....How was the revision missed out on....

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: sacampb
Posted 2013-09-21 13:39:13 and read 3259 times.

From what MX told me is that it is more of a vendor issue. The reason this issue became known was that in LAS an evac took place and 2 slides deployed but did not properly inflate. There were 32 MD80's grounded of all variants as it was not the type that matttered but the slides on the plane. The Airbus fleet is currently unaffected.

I'm not sure about the fine as or not. Depends on who is to blame if the vendor or G4. Only time will tell.


Recently the Airbii (proper plural? Don't like how Airbuses sounds. Well Airbus in general.    ) were grounded as G4 self disclosed that they were operating in metric units. I don't know how the FAA didn't notice during the proving runs.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: sacampb
Posted 2013-09-21 13:44:33 and read 3231 times.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):

Actually there are 3 A319's currently in service. N301NV and N302NV which are currently based at AZA and N310NV which is based in SFB.

Allegiant has also taken delivery of 3 A320's I know for sure. Planespotters.net says 4 but I am not positive.
The 3 that I am aware are undergoing MX checks in KSAT prior to entering service, which I am sure is not being expedited with the current MD80 situation.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: MDPIC
Posted 2013-09-21 14:02:09 and read 3185 times.

Quoting sacampb (Reply 20):
Recently the Airbii (proper plural? Don't like how Airbuses sounds. Well Airbus in general.    ) were grounded as G4 self disclosed that they were operating in metric units. I don't know how the FAA didn't notice during the proving runs.

The Airbus's were/are not being operated in metric units. That information in not accurate.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: sacampb
Posted 2013-09-21 14:06:05 and read 3163 times.

Quoting MDPIC (Reply 22):
Quoting sacampb (Reply 20):
Recently the Airbii (proper plural? Don't like how Airbuses sounds. Well Airbus in general.    ) were grounded as G4 self disclosed that they were operating in metric units. I don't know how the FAA didn't notice during the proving runs.

The Airbus's were/are not being operated in metric units. That information in not accurate.

That is what MX manager told me. It wasn't the flight displays it was the FDR. But I could be mistaken.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: HiFlyerAS
Posted 2013-09-21 15:48:42 and read 2977 times.

Quoting sacampb (Reply 20):
I'm not sure about the fine as or not. Depends on who is to blame if the vendor or G4. Only time will tell.

They can't blame the vendor (Goodyear or whoever originally manufactured the slides)....the air carrier is responsible for maintaining them. If you had a flat tire on your car you wouldn't hold Ford responsible...especially if that tire was 15 years old. You might blame the manufacturer but in the end the driver/owner is responsible for maintaining a safe vehicle. No different here.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-09-21 16:15:48 and read 3065 times.

Quoting sacampb (Reply 20):
Recently the Airbii (proper plural? Don't like how Airbuses sounds. Well Airbus in general. ) were grounded as G4 self disclosed that they were operating in metric units. I don't know how the FAA didn't notice during the proving runs.

Are they coming from Russia ?

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: mcoflyer
Posted 2013-09-21 16:59:43 and read 2991 times.

They came from Iberia (the A320's) and the A319's came from Easy Jet and Easy Jet Switzerland.

KH

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-09-21 17:36:12 and read 2971 times.

Must be the fuel in metric, then.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: wjcandee
Posted 2013-09-21 19:22:10 and read 2818 times.

Quoting b757capt (Reply 8):
I am told that no slides deployed due to improper installation.

Yeah, total bs. And the slides on the incident aircraft were all time-compliant.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2013-09-21 22:01:24 and read 2621 times.

I'm pretty sure changing from metric to imperial/U.S. units only involves a switch movement down in the E and E compartment, if I remember my initial Airbus ground school from 10 years ago correctly.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: sacampb
Posted 2013-09-21 22:39:20 and read 2547 times.

G4 has leased planes from Falcon Air, Miami Air, Ameristar, and SCX

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: billreid
Posted 2013-09-22 17:00:44 and read 2021 times.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
It will be interesting to see what the financial impact of this will be. Their stock is doing very well but took a $5 drop Friday.

Given your post from the newspaper I see an inspection issue here.
If they were not in compliance the question is wether the FAA will start looking for other things.
The problem is once you make a MX error then the question is what else can you find?

If there is anything else we are looking at possible fines, and groundings.
G4 needs to be squeaky clean or problems could result..

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: treebeard787
Posted 2013-09-22 18:58:29 and read 1881 times.

Quoting sacampb (Reply 30):
G4 has leased planes from Falcon Air, Miami Air, Ameristar, and SCX

Falcon MD-80s N125MN and N836NK were operating Allegiant flights out of IWA this afternoon.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: b757capt
Posted 2013-09-22 22:42:55 and read 1650 times.

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 28):

Interesting.

Topic: RE: Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides
Username: wjcandee
Posted 2013-09-22 23:51:26 and read 1574 times.

Quoting b757capt (Reply 33):
Interesting.

Even more than ya think...

I initially said that the slides deployed properly, based on the info available at the time, but now...

Washington Post, quoting the AP, quoting the company, says all slides deployed properly on the incident aircraft. http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...-11e3-ad1a-1a919f2ed890_story.html

The LV Review-Journal, quoting nobody, says in an earlier-dated article that one of the slides failed to deploy. http://www.reviewjournal.com/busines...leet-more-problems-loom-days-ahead

That's the only article I could find that mentioned a slide failing to deploy. AP probably has better reporters and the article is newer, but the Review-Journal probably has more local sources. So I guess we'll have to wait and see. I looked at the ASIAS database but nothing in there yet...


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