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Topic: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: SA7700
Posted 2013-09-17 02:36:32 and read 48633 times.

Dear members,

As part 4 has become quite long, part 5 has been opened in order for discussion to continue on this topic. Part 4 can be found here:

A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 4 (by LipeGIG Aug 28 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I hope you continue to enjoy the website.

Regards,

SA7700

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-17 06:05:07 and read 47974 times.

AIB50WB will soon taxi, let's see what they are up to. Pictures would be interesting to see the tail protection area   

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-17 06:16:30 and read 47893 times.

AIB50WB airborne at 13:09 UTC and heading north-west.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-17 06:55:27 and read 47718 times.

I have her take off at 13:05 UTC

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-17 08:12:29 and read 47410 times.

AIB49WB


AIB49WB 17/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

AIB50WB


AIB50WB 17/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-09-17 09:35:32 and read 47192 times.

Is this the tail of the BA A380 N°2 we see on the picture?
They look so good in BA livery!

     

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-17 09:46:49 and read 47138 times.

Yes indeed, that's BA #2.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-17 10:33:46 and read 46974 times.

AIB50WB landed 17:33 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-09-17 12:17:29 and read 46189 times.

Doesn't BA already have #2? I thought for some weeks now.

NS

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-17 12:20:21 and read 46162 times.

No it was just delivered and should fly to LHR tomorrow. Perhaps you're confused with the 787?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-09-17 12:23:06 and read 46143 times.

Perhaps. I knew there were more 787s. I thought the A380s had also been delivering fast.

NS

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-17 12:26:14 and read 46097 times.

G-XLEB this month and G-XLEC next month.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-17 23:09:48 and read 43686 times.

AIB51WB is taxiing now

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-17 23:11:00 and read 43683 times.

AIB51WB airborne 6:09 UTC

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-09-18 00:29:09 and read 43250 times.

I seem to be totally unable to follow those flights on FR24… 

edit: found it… I had forgotten a filter about my sister's flight coming home…  duck 

[Edited 2013-09-18 00:32:10]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-18 00:55:51 and read 43083 times.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 14):
edit: found it… I had forgotten a filter about my sister's flight coming home…   

A very practical fiter is simply "AIB", this shows you all the Airbus flights and the Raccoon will be one of them.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-18 03:09:37 and read 42443 times.

Someone saw it landing? Must have been around 10:00.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-18 03:16:54 and read 42407 times.

AIB51WB the Raccoon landed at 10:05.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-18 07:16:46 and read 41859 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 17):
AIB51WB the Raccoon landed at 10:05.

That would have left time for another test flight. No more for today?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-18 07:30:34 and read 41803 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 18):
That would have left time for another test flight. No more for today?

I was thinking the same...
Maybe they're out in the paint hall having a look at MSN003, it's been said to be in paint since last Wednesday (1 week now) 

Or, maybe she's prepared for VMU at Istres tomorrow  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: schwege
Posted 2013-09-18 23:07:15 and read 41037 times.

AIB52WB took off at 5.05Z - is this a new record?

Not visible anymore, last data point is at 5.23Z some 200 km north-northeast from TLS, alt 25000 ft, 442 kt.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-18 23:28:54 and read 40961 times.

Quite strange...That's not a pocket where fr24 drops on coverage. I wonder what are they up to?

[Edited 2013-09-18 23:57:51]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Focker
Posted 2013-09-19 00:56:47 and read 40707 times.

It has been off Flight Radar now for nearly 2 hours, as far as I can tell.

Could this have to do with some part of the test program, or is it very uncommon / not allowed to fly without the transponder on?

Might be a silly question, just wondering...

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: overcast
Posted 2013-09-19 01:03:01 and read 40684 times.

I'd imagine they would be able to stop transmitting only in a military zone, which is where they seems to have disappeared.

Maybe doing some tests they don't want tracked, extreme ends of the speed range springs to mind.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-19 01:19:13 and read 40594 times.

I wonder if they have spirited the raccoon into Istres for the VMU tests?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: bobmuc
Posted 2013-09-19 01:44:45 and read 40718 times.

Quoting schwege (Reply 20):
AIB52WB took off at 5.05Z

Are you sure? At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off. I think the transponder was switched on for some minutes but they never left the airport.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-19 01:49:07 and read 40669 times.

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 25):
Are you sure? At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off. I think the transponder was switched on for some minutes but they never left the airport.

The replay shows it taking off and climbing to fl250

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-19 01:49:10 and read 41150 times.

She is now back on FR24 heading south from up the Alsace region.

Strange

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Speedbored
Posted 2013-09-19 01:50:07 and read 41142 times.

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 25):
At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off.

If I look at FR24 playback, I see it flying for about 20 minutes and disappearing just to the east of Limoges at around 25K feet, heading almost due north.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-19 01:51:33 and read 41144 times.

She is on FR24 the track starts near Mailly le Camp.

[Edited 2013-09-19 01:55:38]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: packsonflight
Posted 2013-09-19 01:53:34 and read 41139 times.

Quoting StTim (Reply 24):
I wonder if they have spirited the raccoon into Istres for the VMU tests?

Does anybody know of any live webcams in TLS or Istres?
I have tried searching for them with no luck.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-19 01:53:34 and read 41147 times.

She has certainly been up to something. I wonder if there is another base there where VMU tests could have been done.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-19 02:00:14 and read 41107 times.

Châlons Vatry Airport is near were she appears again.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: schwege
Posted 2013-09-19 02:31:28 and read 40971 times.

Disappeared again. There seems to be a void in air traffic north of TLS, I'm guessing an FR24 receiver station has gone offline in that area.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Scipio
Posted 2013-09-19 02:58:47 and read 40852 times.

fr24 shows F-WXWB on the ground in Toulouse. No flight number.

And while I typed these words, she disappeared...

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-19 04:54:24 and read 40507 times.

AIB53WB is taxiing now

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Bigsmile
Posted 2013-09-19 05:12:02 and read 40410 times.

Formation flying day today, so should be interesting.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-19 05:19:38 and read 40413 times.

Yes, she's got company today 

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-19 05:35:16 and read 40311 times.

AIB53WB airborne at 12:30 utc with a330 in front and a380 behind

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-19 05:36:54 and read 40325 times.

Yeah that's the new A330 testbed in front.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Focker
Posted 2013-09-19 05:43:14 and read 40293 times.

As somebody mentioned on another forum:

That must be one of the reasons for the A330 to be painted in the new house colors.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: freqflyer
Posted 2013-09-19 05:45:06 and read 40273 times.

Why can't I see the Raccoon anymore ? The other 2 are still visible

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-19 05:46:42 and read 40260 times.

There is some issue with the a350 and fr24 today....she's not showing while the other two are

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Speedbored
Posted 2013-09-19 05:50:24 and read 40247 times.

So is this afternoon's flight a photo opportunity? If so, where is the camera plane?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-19 06:36:14 and read 40039 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 42):
There is some issue with the a350 and fr24 today....she's not showing while the other two are

Perhaps they disabled some systems to avoid TCAS alerts.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-19 06:42:23 and read 40133 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):

Perhaps they disabled some systems to avoid TCAS alerts.

Yes and perhaps they are testing the tcas itself. The raccoon is visible again, flying above the big bus.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-19 07:18:33 and read 39961 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 45):
flying above the big bus.

It is quite a big bus by itself.  . But we all know what you mean. I hope that we will see some nice pictures and hopefully video of this flight.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-19 09:32:08 and read 39696 times.

Tada:

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1379599831_Airbus_formation_flight_A330_A350XWB_A380.jpg

Source: http://www.airbus.com/galleries/photo-gallery/

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-19 09:33:33 and read 39648 times.

The result:

Http://http://twitter.com/jvreymondo.../status/380727414210318337/photo/1

Via @jvreymondon

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-19 09:35:03 and read 39588 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Tada:

Fantastic picture!  .

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-19 10:18:38 and read 39464 times.

Another view:


A350 XWB joins the A330 and A380 for an Airbus “Xtra-widebody” family flight by EADSpics, on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-19 10:49:23 and read 39206 times.

Touch down AIB53WB at 17:47.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: kmz
Posted 2013-09-19 10:54:34 and read 39246 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Tada:

Jesus, the A380 needs to grow!  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-19 10:55:16 and read 39198 times.

So what times do we use for AIB52WB?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-19 11:08:49 and read 39121 times.

What do we register for the morning flight?

Take off was at 05:05.
Landing at around 09:30?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-19 11:10:40 and read 39122 times.

@karel, FR24 playback showed AIB42WB/FWXWB arriving at the flight test center at 0942, i took 9minutes for taxi-in (average) so 0933 landing??

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-19 11:15:17 and read 39192 times.

More pictures from today.


AIB53WB 19/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr

And here, behind the BA A380, lining-up for a formation flight:


Delivery center msn121 G-XLEB 19/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-19 11:16:02 and read 39116 times.

Quoting kmz (Reply 52):
the A380 needs to grow!

In due time she will.  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KPDX
Posted 2013-09-19 11:17:47 and read 39149 times.

Great shots of the formation!

Is it me, or does Airbus seem to really enjoy "showing off" their products more than other OEMs, via formations, branding, marketing on the plane, etc? It seems they are more into that than the others.   

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-20 01:19:21 and read 38275 times.

AIB54WB up and live on FR24

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-20 01:20:51 and read 38286 times.

AIB54WB is taxiing, just disappeared again near the runway

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 01:28:35 and read 38282 times.

There's quite some traffic.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/eupmvq.jpg

AIB54WB airborne at 8:28 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-20 01:29:09 and read 38268 times.

Take off at 08:28 UTC

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-20 01:29:38 and read 38281 times.

AIB54WB the Raccoon take off at 08:27.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-20 01:31:18 and read 38287 times.

An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 01:33:05 and read 38272 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 64):
An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

No, that's an A330 for Philippine Airlines.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-20 01:33:42 and read 38270 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 64):
An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

No, thats just a normal test flight...

F-WWKY is MSN 1449 for Pilipine Airlines

[Edited 2013-09-20 01:34:58]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-20 01:38:25 and read 38233 times.

Thanks....Raccoon on another low/slow test flight today from what is seen so far.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2013-09-20 01:40:42 and read 38260 times.

According to the spreadsheet which I have access to, Airbus was targeting 240 hours of test flying by end of Sept. Already now they have accumulated 264 hours, and on pace to reach 300 before end of month. Is Airbus trying to speed the test program up?
Very impressive performance so far.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 01:44:55 and read 38271 times.

Yeah at this rate MSN1 and MSN3 will have over 1,000 flight hours before the end of the year. They should be careful, or soon they have the jet certified before the production has ramped-up (although that would be more like a luxury).

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2013-09-20 01:47:59 and read 38239 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 69):

That's a problem that won't keep them awake at night.  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-20 01:48:05 and read 38267 times.

I do not think that once they get to 2,500 they will stop. I feel Airbus desperately want this to be a smooth mature introduction of a new type into service. So far they do seem on target to acheive that - but there is still a long way to go.

What is quite obvious is that whatever they are finding is not requireing major workshop time.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-20 01:55:49 and read 38266 times.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 68):
According to the spreadsheet which I have access to, Airbus was targeting 240 hours of test flying by end of Sept.

I guess that is mine  

I just want to add, this is not a target set by Airbus... Someone here at a.net (don't remember who) calculated that Airbus needs to achieve about 80hrs per month/per plane to fly the 2500 hours set in the campaign in 12 months...

Nothing official about those numbers in my spreadsheet, just a guide to see if we're somewhat on schedule...

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 01:57:12 and read 38222 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 54):
Take off was at 05:05.
Landing at around 09:30?
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 54):
@karel, FR24 playback showed AIB42WB/FWXWB arriving at the flight test center at 0942, i took 9minutes for taxi-in (average) so 0933 landing??

Thanks guys.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 02:02:50 and read 38252 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 72):
Airbus needs to achieve about 80hrs per month/per plane to fly the 2500 hours set in the campaign in 12 months...

Nothing official about those numbers in my spreadsheet, just a guide to see if we're somewhat on schedule...

Indeed, but they are at 90 hours for September already. Let's assume another 50 hours until the end of the month, that would be 140 hours.

A rough calculation gives me 140 hours per month * 3 months left (October, November, December) * 2 frames (MSN1 and 3) = 840 + 300 hours (before the end of this month) = 1140 hours before the end of the year.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-09-20 02:04:11 and read 38246 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 72):

I did :d
So nothing official i we are talking about my spreadsheet (btw i struggle to keep the pace of MSN1 flight !)
We can compare with 787 (some one provided the link 2-3 weeks ago), having in mind that the flight test fleet of 787 was "grounded" in the final stage of the preparation of the flight due to the Side of body problems ... and so was supposed to be fine tuned during this delay ... so 787 flight test pace is indeed a good reference

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-20 02:35:55 and read 38116 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 67):
Thanks....Raccoon on another low/slow test flight today from what is seen so far.

Cruising at fl360 now
 

[Edited 2013-09-20 02:36:42]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-20 02:54:21 and read 38279 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 76):
Cruising at fl360 now

Smooth and steady.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 74):
A rough calculation gives me 140 hours per month * 3 months left (October, November, December) * 2 frames (MSN1 and 3) = 840 + 300 hours (before the end of this month) = 1140 hours before the end of the year.

I think your numbers are spot-on. It would be very impressive and positive if they can maintain the current speed of the test program. Even with the next A350's entering the test fleet.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-20 02:59:05 and read 38229 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 75):
I did :d

I thought it was you indeed, but wasn't sure anymore  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: bobmuc
Posted 2013-09-20 03:31:48 and read 38088 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 77):
Even with the next A350's entering the test fleet.

But compared to the Racoon, MSN003 is very shy, still hiding in the paint hangar!?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 04:33:05 and read 37876 times.

Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a791b6as.html

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-20 04:38:40 and read 37808 times.

Beat me to it. Great video of the wide body Airbus planes.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 04:43:15 and read 37858 times.

That's a very nice bank.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/14ybitw.jpg

And here's a nice close-up of the left wing:

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-20 04:48:05 and read 37743 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 80):
Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a....html

Beautiful video.  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 05:53:40 and read 37540 times.

AIB54WB landed 12:53 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-20 06:04:10 and read 37518 times.

My count is now after AIB54WB: plain flight time 250 hours, 20 minutes added per flight to simulate block time 268 hours.

It should be possible that MSN 1 reaches 300 hours before end of September.

[Edited 2013-09-20 06:06:03]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: chuchoteur
Posted 2013-09-20 06:36:30 and read 37459 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 83):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 80):
Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a....html

Beautiful video.

also on youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYiov...view&list=UUkfZz95mfqPnzquatVpDTsQ

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-20 07:12:46 and read 37289 times.

Raccoon now heading for its afternoon flight...AIB55WB

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-20 07:13:03 and read 37311 times.

Refueled, tyres kicked, crew changed and the Raccoon (AIB55WB) is heading to the runway.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 07:14:50 and read 37301 times.

And AIB55WB airborne at 14:13 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-20 07:15:25 and read 37300 times.

AIB55WB Airborne 14:14 utc

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-20 08:21:43 and read 37131 times.

After some low speed stuff they have climbed to fl330... They seem to be doing more high/fast work the last few days- Perhaps they are beginning to optimize the differential flap system?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-20 10:31:10 and read 36777 times.

She went to an area south of Toulouse where fr24 has no coverage.... I am guessing they are doing something at an airport in that area.

[Edited 2013-09-20 10:32:54]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-20 10:47:19 and read 36806 times.

Another picture of the formation flight day.


Airbus - A330-203 - msn 871 by dn280tls, on Flickr


Airbus - A350-941 - msn 001 by dn280tls, on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-20 11:10:10 and read 36636 times.

Landed 17:53 and went to the opposite side of the airport from where the test center is located. Perhaps there is a new raccoon in her usual parking spot?
Edit: She's back at the test center now.

[Edited 2013-09-20 11:11:32]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-09-20 15:36:36 and read 36119 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 93):
Another picture of the formation flight day.

The racoon mask does hide the kinship between the A380's and the A350's cockpit windows.

On another matter, it's interesting to observe the difference of the A330's and A350's front wing-to-body junction as well…
The A350's seems to be more sculptured downward. And the leading edge is much more pointed than the A380's.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-21 01:52:33 and read 35723 times.

AIB56WB the Raccoon take off at 08:04 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-21 05:19:16 and read 35257 times.

AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Focker
Posted 2013-09-21 05:26:31 and read 35256 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 96):
AIB56WB the Raccoon take off at 08:04 UTC.
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

That must have been the shortest flight after the Wright brothers? 

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: overcast
Posted 2013-09-21 06:30:24 and read 35027 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):

I hope you meant

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

I think you meant to say touched down at 12:17 UTC

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-09-21 09:04:17 and read 34690 times.

Quoting overcast (Reply 99):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):

I hope you meant

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

I think you meant to say touched down at 12:17 UTC

of course 12:17 sorry

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: trent900
Posted 2013-09-23 00:25:14 and read 33607 times.

All seems to have been very quite over the past couple of days. Anyone with any news?

Maybe they're preparing for VMU tests?  

D.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: bobmuc
Posted 2013-09-23 00:35:01 and read 33837 times.

Quoting trent900 (Reply 101):
All seems to have been very quite over the past couple of days.

If Sunday + Monday until 7:30 UTC is a "couple of days" for you, then you're right! Maybe the Racoon has a late start today.

Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: trent900
Posted 2013-09-23 00:44:44 and read 33788 times.

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 102):
Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?

This is the question we all want answered.

I took a site tour on Wednesday and there was no sign of MSN03 at all (or MSN01 for that matter). All hangars where closed from peeking eyes!

D.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-23 02:06:03 and read 33592 times.

More pictures of the formation flight can be found in this thread.

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 102):
Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?

Yeah it's extremely quiet on this one.

[Edited 2013-09-23 02:06:51]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Bigsmile
Posted 2013-09-23 02:23:47 and read 33519 times.

MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-23 02:26:39 and read 33485 times.

Speaking about the devil .. thanks bigsmile!

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-09-23 02:43:17 and read 33411 times.

Quoting Bigsmile (Reply 105):
MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

Awesome news! When do you guys reckon the first flight is gonna be?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-23 02:47:31 and read 33403 times.

Now we only need pictures    wonder what the registration is    I already checked the French aircraft register but nothing in there.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: bobmuc
Posted 2013-09-23 03:07:49 and read 33357 times.

According to http://bloga350.blogspot.de/ the A350 will fly to Dubai Airshow in November and before that to other Airbus locations within Europe.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-23 06:17:39 and read 32779 times.

Quoting Bigsmile (Reply 105):
MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

Good news.  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 108):
Now we only need pictures

I am sure you'll be the first one to find them on the net and post them here.   For which I guess we all are very grateful.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-24 03:24:35 and read 31839 times.

Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2jb05tk.jpg

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-24 04:44:32 and read 31588 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

And they are celebrating it with a beautiful picture for us to see.  . A great achievement for sure. Now we want to see MSN003 up in the air a.s.a.p.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-24 05:24:22 and read 31411 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

Great milestone indeed!  

If I count the hours in my Spreadsheet up until AIB51WB I get to 252hrsAndChange, I guess confirming that Airbus counts block time as official test time..

Surprised that they said only 251 and 51 flights whilst we're up to AIB56WB by today... But maybe the presentation was made earlier (Likely)  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-24 05:27:17 and read 31398 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 113):
But maybe the presentation was made earlier (Likely)

It was, the slides were compiled on September 19.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-24 05:33:14 and read 31365 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 114):
It was, the slides were compiled on September 19.

Indeed, I just came back to edit my message...  
Just noticed the presentation was made on the 19th, AIB51WB was flown on the 18th...

Disregard my last transmission  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Unflug
Posted 2013-09-24 08:04:59 and read 31068 times.

J22 has posted an interesting link in the prototype production thread, see reply #136 in this thread:

A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 13 (by jetblueguy22 Aug 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)

The president of Oracle claims that better and faster data analyses is speeding up testing by a factor of 6: only 1 day needed to analyze the results of a test flight instead of 6 days, according to him.

I'm sure he is exaggerating, but to which extent? How relevant is IT as a contributor to the A350 testing campaign? Obviously until now they haven't found anything significant needing a fix. But even then the number of flights is astonishing.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-24 10:37:21 and read 30825 times.

From Bloomberg:

Airbus Says A330 to Survive a Decade on Long-Haul Discount Sales

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...e-on-long-haul-discount-sales.html


What does this have to do with the a350 flight tests you ask?

Well here is the interesting little bit from that article  

"Airbus is developing the A350 to replace the A330 and the four-engine A340, with the initial version, the -900, completing its first flight in June. The plane has met its performance specification in flight trials so far, Leahy said. "

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-09-24 11:04:09 and read 30658 times.

Wow that was quick. Good for Airbus.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-24 11:24:02 and read 30589 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 118):
Wow that was quick. Good for Airbus.

Yes indeed- I guess the chances of hearing shrieks of dissatisfaction (at least performance wise) from certain demanding customers are now reducing   . Combined with the maturity the aircraft seems to be showing, this is good news. They still have some ways to go with the testing of course but the fact that Leahy would say this at such an early stage is encouraging.

[Edited 2013-09-24 11:29:07]

[Edited 2013-09-24 11:30:44]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-24 12:24:05 and read 30460 times.

This gets even better....It would appear Leahy has said this during the market forecast event of today in front of a large media gathering. The entire forecast presentation is available at Airbus's youtube channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSrKZ...view&list=UUkfZz95mfqPnzquatVpDTsQ

Leahy starts talking about the a350 around the 27 minute mark.

[Edited 2013-09-24 12:27:23]

[Edited 2013-09-24 12:44:54]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-09-24 12:44:30 and read 30312 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 120):

At around the 33:50 minute mark he seems to say that he is flying on a BA flight to Beijing from London. Does that mean he had to fly on a Boeing aircraft? Has anyone heard of a Boeing/Airbus policy to fly their aircraft? I imagine they all try but I am surprised to hear a high profile guy admit publicly that he is not. Its immaterial of course.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-24 12:55:29 and read 30255 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 121):
At around the 33:50 minute mark he seems to say that he is flying on a BA flight to Beijing from London. Does that mean he had to fly on a Boeing aircraft? Has anyone heard of a Boeing/Airbus policy to fly their aircraft? I imagine they all try but I am surprised to hear a high profile guy admit publicly that he is not. Its immaterial of course.

He flies 200 days per year so I think it's unavoidable to fly on Boeing aircraft.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Scipio
Posted 2013-09-24 12:56:35 and read 30225 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 122):
He flies 200 days per year so I think it's unavoidable to fly on Boeing aircraft.

Why would he not? He should be trying out the competition's products every opportunity he gets...

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-09-24 12:59:48 and read 30217 times.

In today's world it makes sense to patronize your customers, no matter the product they use to serve you.

NS

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-24 13:02:20 and read 30204 times.

I guess he'd probably even walk to China if it meant selling more planes. Getting back to topic, I am surprised the usually sharp aviation media has not picked up on the a350 performance news. This is not something exactly insignificant.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-09-24 13:11:04 and read 30222 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 122):
He flies 200 days per year

Wow. He has always had a reputation as a hard worker but that is another level. With that much flying it would make sense to fly an A319 ACJ but I suspect gigneil is right and he wants to patronize his customer's products.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-24 13:30:30 and read 30363 times.

I am surprised such a key guy for Airbus (perhaps THE key guy) is not flying on an own aircraft. With 200 travel days a year you would really benefit from a flying office with all your usual stuff around you and a shower and bed to sleep in. I can imagine many other people flying corporate jets being less important and worthy of it.

I am also impressed with his attitude, he has met these journalists since 20-30 years, early they did not believe him when ha said Airbus would be successful yet he proved that he had the power to pull it through. Still he is modest and attentive, answering every question politely, I'm impressed.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-24 13:34:05 and read 30345 times.

When he spends time on aircraft I am sure he is getting feedback on his an his competitors products. If he started flying BBJ he would lose a lot of that.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Speedbored
Posted 2013-09-24 13:36:11 and read 30346 times.

Quoting StTim (Reply 128):
If he started flying BBJ he would lose a lot of that.

If he started flying BBJ, I suspect that he would lose his job.  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-24 13:43:06 and read 30316 times.

I frankly doubt he can get any more feedback on the competitors product than what he already knows. That BA flight he's talking about is probably the most convenient and fastest way to get to Beijing at that point in time.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-24 13:47:00 and read 30320 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 126):
Wow. He has always had a reputation as a hard worker but that is another level. With that much flying it would make sense to fly an A319 ACJ but I suspect gigneil is right and he wants to patronize his customer's products.

The story gets better: he never learned to speak French, despite living in France for almost 20 years because "he hasn't had the time".

Quoting ap305 (Reply 130):
That BA flight he's talking about is probably the most convenient and fastest way to get to Beijing at that point in time.

Agreed. He flew to Singapore on Thursday, flew back to London yesterday and is flying to Beijing today.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: abba
Posted 2013-09-24 23:05:15 and read 29861 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 127):
I am also impressed with his attitude

Me too. This man in a significant way incorporates in his person some of the very best - and some of the very worst - American culture has to offer

Quoting Speedbored (Reply 129):
If he started flying BBJ, I suspect that he would lose his job.

As the most important reason for Airbus to be where Airbus is today I think that JL could do whatever he pleases when it comes to how he flies without having to fear for his job. I he told Airbus that he could do another few years if he got a 350 for a flying office - he would get one equipped according to his whims. He has been more important to Airbus than any of their CEOs

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-09-25 02:44:51 and read 29409 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 127):
I am also impressed with his attitude, he has met these journalists since 20-30 years, early they did not believe him when ha said Airbus would be successful yet he proved that he had the power to pull it through. Still he is modest and attentive, answering every question politely, I'm impressed.

Slightly off-topic, but John Leahy is to me the most important person in civil aviation over the last 20+ years. His track record is phenomenal and it will be a long time before this Industry will produce such a impressive and charismatic person.

The best move Airbus have made is to acquire this excellent salesman. He might be heavily criticised here sometime, but that is mostly out of envy for what he accomplishes. And he is again proving it with the A350-XWB program which seems to be fully on track and specs already. So that can only improve form now on.  .

Of course he is not alone in this, multiple facilities inside Airbus and partners, with tens of thousands of people working there support him in his act, but he has to lead the pack. And he does so in a unique and one of a kind matter.  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-25 03:06:59 and read 29311 times.

I suppose msn1 must be in some sort of scheduled maintenance now?. Based on what is seen on fr24, she has not flown since Saturday.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-25 10:31:48 and read 28632 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 134):
I suppose msn1 must be in some sort of scheduled maintenance now?

Yes, make that rebuild for a different type of tests and it is probably what they are doing. I would guess it is for VMU and similar testing at Istres.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ThunderboltDrgn
Posted 2013-09-25 10:40:35 and read 28592 times.

Still no pictures of MSN03?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: knoxibus
Posted 2013-09-25 11:05:16 and read 28523 times.

Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

Very shiny with the brand new paint.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-25 11:27:43 and read 28459 times.

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 137):
Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

The spotters took her for MSN001 ie old hat perhaps, we need to help them with identification marks  .

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-25 14:35:17 and read 27910 times.

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 137):
Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

Registration please  

And why hasn't Airbus released a press release yet.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: knoxibus
Posted 2013-09-25 15:34:08 and read 27709 times.

I'll be back in the office only next week so we might it from somebody else before then.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-25 21:54:29 and read 27411 times.

OK guys, so while we discuss the merits of sales vs other functions the Raccoon slinks out of the nest unseen  Wow! , take-off was 04:28 UTC as AIB57WB, it must have been dark then. Guess the crews was really eager to fly after having to rip her off the mechanics modding her. Right now she is at FL320 in the middle of south France, course NE.

[Edited 2013-09-25 21:56:07]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-25 22:03:56 and read 27383 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 144):
Right now she is at FL320 in the middle of south France, course NE.

Looks like the initial cruise altitude after a heavy takeoff- What are they up to?

Edit: They are now descending to a lower level

[Edited 2013-09-25 22:07:38]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-25 22:23:51 and read 27348 times.

The Vmu tests might be at some airport near Paris?. Fr24 has no coverage in that area it would appear.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Speedbird128
Posted 2013-09-25 23:40:14 and read 27125 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 143):

They will be done at Istres

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-25 23:41:25 and read 27151 times.

I think MSN001 is on the Airbus facilities tour while doing some system testing, Meulte is not far NW of Paris.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-26 02:49:52 and read 26541 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 145):
I think MSN001 is on the Airbus facilities tour while doing some system testing, Meulte is not far NW of Paris.

Seems to not be the case, turned south at mid France and is heading back, FL310 and high speed.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-26 03:10:43 and read 26385 times.

She was in an area south east of Paris for quite some time and at lower altitudes- its just that fr24 could not track her every move.... I am guessing they were either at an airport of were just doing low altitude work.

[Edited 2013-09-26 03:11:38]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-26 03:14:41 and read 26370 times.

AIB57WB landed 10:14 UTC.

What was the takeoff time?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-26 03:23:11 and read 26297 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 148):
What was the takeoff time?

04:30 early this morning

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-26 04:46:55 and read 26033 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 147):
She was in an area south east of Paris for quite some time and at lower altitudes- its just that fr24 could not track her every move.... I am guessing they were either at an airport of were just doing low altitude work.

That is the location of CFM at Melun-Villaroche, don't think they landed there to show of the Rollers  Wow! 

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-26 06:55:52 and read 25643 times.

The raccoon is online with call-sign "ER7".



Quoting starbucks (Reply 149):
04:30 early this morning

Thanks.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-26 06:59:08 and read 25750 times.

.I guess this means engine run? and not a flight for today afternoon.

[Edited 2013-09-26 07:06:02]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-09-26 06:59:49 and read 25776 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 151):
The raccoon is online with call-sign "ER7".

Karel, any idea behind the reason of this atypical callsign? Thanks!


EDIT: Sounds reasonable;

Quoting ap305 (Reply 152):
I guess this means engine run? and not a flight for today afternoon.


[Edited 2013-09-26 07:24:25]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-26 10:29:14 and read 25257 times.

Indeed, it sounds just like an engine run.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-09-26 13:06:41 and read 24896 times.

For MSN3 ?
Maybe ?


MSN1 will probably not go tu VMU before MSN3 flies

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-26 18:41:59 and read 24444 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 155):
For MSN3 ?
Maybe ?

The ER7 flight was for F-WXWB ie MSN001. IIt might be that the last days ground hugging for MSN001 was for an engine change, then the engine run would make sense. Probably to get a new version for test or to have a look at the present engines, we have recent info from RR that they are flying on MSN001 without problem.

BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: WingedMigrator
Posted 2013-09-26 20:35:37 and read 24356 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):
BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?

They seem to like playing on words...

For the A380 it was:
F-WWOW (wow)
F-WXXL (extra extra large)
F-WWDD (Dédé, a stereotypical name for a fat guy)
F-WWEA (Engine Alliance)
F-WWJB (James Bond, for MSN 007)

For the A350, we already have F-WXWB. What about...
F-WFRP (Fiber Reinforced Plastic) ?
F-WRCN (Raccoon) ?
F-WZRO (Zorro) ?
F-WWIN (winner) ?

Any guesses for what might be next?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-09-26 21:29:45 and read 24270 times.

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 157):

Glad to see you again!

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-09-26 22:31:31 and read 24170 times.

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 157):
Any guesses for what might be next?

F-WXXW

Extra, extra wide?

Has a symmetry to it.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-26 23:16:51 and read 24060 times.

AIB58WB airborne at 6:08 UTC

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-26 23:18:24 and read 24069 times.

Anyway, MNS001 becoming an early bird, is already in the air AIB58WB at UTC 06:05 and heading NW at FL150 climbing.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-09-27 00:26:21 and read 23848 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):

He flew the same morning ? so 1st an engine change, 2nd a flight, 3nd an engine run ?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: freqflyer
Posted 2013-09-27 00:28:14 and read 23855 times.

Did the 'Çoon just buzz MAD or is this just another FR glitch?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-27 00:33:07 and read 23857 times.

I saw that but unless they have fitted afterburners to the Trent XWB I strongly suspect a FR glitch  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: sturmovik
Posted 2013-09-27 00:37:49 and read 23841 times.

Quoting StTim (Reply 164):

I saw that but unless they have fitted afterburners to the Trent XWB I strongly suspect a FR glitch  


Yeah, was thinking the same.. the distance and time airborne just doesn't work out..  
Has she made any forays into airspace of other countries yet, or has it been French and oceanic airspace so far?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-27 00:40:17 and read 23834 times.

She is staying is staying in home air space at the moment - but the first foreign trips are being planned.

A factory tour and then to Dubai for the show - where I am sure Mr Leahy has a few orders lined up.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 00:57:42 and read 23773 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):
BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?

Nobody knows yet, except for Airbus.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 00:58:25 and read 23838 times.

Here's a nice picture of AIB57WB yesterday:


AIB57WB 26/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 03:52:24 and read 23317 times.

AIB58WB landed 10:51 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-27 04:19:59 and read 23202 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 168):
Here's a nice picture of AIB57WB yesterday:

So wondered what they did during the ground hog days, there are no external differences what I can see, the wingroot tufting is still there as is the downwash measurement pitot tube on the HTP left part.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-09-27 05:22:01 and read 22975 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 170):
So wondered what they did during the ground hog days

They added some kind of "measuring scale" behind the tailskid, but only that wouldn't require that amount of downtime.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-27 05:42:27 and read 22896 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 171):
They added some kind of "measuring scale" behind the tailskid, but only that wouldn't require that amount of downtime.

That looks like a patch or doubler of some sort- for the vmu tests perhaps? (the a380 iirc hit beyond the skid plate during its first vmu test)

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 06:02:01 and read 22808 times.

AIB59WB is visible on FR24.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 06:34:37 and read 22672 times.

AIB59WB airborne 13:34 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: MWHCVT
Posted 2013-09-27 06:45:45 and read 22641 times.

Almost looks the the A330 that has been flying around for a bit is now flying to intercept  probably not but still

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 06:47:24 and read 22642 times.

I don't think so, that's a Dragonair A330.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: bobmuc
Posted 2013-09-27 07:01:54 and read 22911 times.

Already turning back after 25 minutes? Maybe some more touch & gos?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 07:07:24 and read 22890 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 174):
AIB59WB airborne 13:34 UTC.

And landed 14:06.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-09-27 07:40:35 and read 22751 times.

I thought the current Airbus line on A350 EIS was 2h 2014. For some reason I took that to mean around July/August next year. JL has a quote in this Bloomberg interview where he says that the A350 will finish flight testing around 'this time next year' and EIS by 'end of 2014'. Nothing earth shattering as it is still '2h' but I had envisioned the plan to be to deliver half dozen or so next year and that may not be likely.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/boein...-years-MaZXa7l2S0uBhyDpQxFJoQ.html

tortugamon



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Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 07:45:35 and read 22737 times.

Second half of the year can be anything between 1 July and 31 December. Just like the first flight they will maintain a large window just in case something happens.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-27 07:49:46 and read 22798 times.

Airbus are trying very hard not to over commit in public. Tests are test and who knows what will be found. Itis great for Airbus (and their customers) if they are currently ahead of schedule. That does not mean it will stay that way. Just look at how quickly the C100 first flight went back wards.

the other part is that entry into service relies on the production planes coming down the line. Airbus will be hoping that there is no significant travelling work due to items found during testing. There will be some though. Hopefully none of the A380 wiring or 787 wingbox type issues come to light.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 10:53:26 and read 22394 times.

Pictures of today.


AIB59WB 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB58WB 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


Take-off msn1 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-09-27 12:13:11 and read 22124 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 182):
Pictures of today.

Tail protection fork is gone from yesterday to today, one can wonder what they did yesterday that required it? Otherwise I can spot not changes.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 12:15:05 and read 22138 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 155):
MSN1 will probably not go tu VMU before MSN3 flies

Any idea why MSN1 must wait for MSN3?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-27 14:49:40 and read 21936 times.

MSN3 registration is F-WZGG.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2q03n5w.jpg

Source http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...nd-flight-test-prototype-msn3.html

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: schwege
Posted 2013-09-27 14:58:30 and read 21854 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 185):
MSN3 registration is F-WZGG.

And from now on - every move she makes, every flight she takes... you know  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-28 00:11:41 and read 21395 times.

AIB60WB airborne at 7:09am

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-28 01:28:47 and read 21135 times.

Looks like they are headed back home...second flight in a row seemingly cut short.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-09-28 02:06:31 and read 21006 times.

They are now doing more low speed stuff south of tls

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-28 03:47:19 and read 20821 times.

Here's AIB59WB from behind:


Airbus A350-900 XWB by Curufinwe - David B., on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-09-28 04:04:40 and read 20621 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 187):
AIB60WB airborne at 7:09am

And landed 11:04.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-09-28 04:05:17 and read 20638 times.

The Raccoon landed at 11:04 UTC

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: airmagnac
Posted 2013-09-30 04:03:38 and read 19347 times.

Just received this cool tip

Quote:

Picture found on Google Maps where you can see that the satellite caught the A350 and the corvette flying over St Beat (small village in Pyrenees) during the first flight. You can see as well the shadows of the 2 aircrafts on the ground.

Incredible regarding probability !

Link to Google Maps

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: MWHCVT
Posted 2013-09-30 04:16:23 and read 19246 times.

Quoting airmagnac (Reply 193):

Sorry but that looks more like a TG A330 to me   look at the paint on the rear fuselage

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: breiz
Posted 2013-09-30 05:00:58 and read 18995 times.

With reference to Leahy's latest interview by Bloomberg (linked by Leeham).
In order to mature the ac and to smooth service entry, Leahy said that the test flights are to be run as an airline operation.
He was not specific about when and how.
I suppose that he was meaning when there would be enough test ac available to run an airline-like flight program.
Have any of you any insight?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: airmagnac
Posted 2013-09-30 05:27:16 and read 18825 times.

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 194):

You're probably right, I should have looked closer before posting ; I confused the tail color with the trees/river in the background  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: MWHCVT
Posted 2013-09-30 05:55:07 and read 18657 times.

Still a cool find in any case 

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-09-30 06:31:28 and read 18521 times.

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 194):
that looks more like a TG A330 to me

  
The dead give away is from the flap track fairings : 4 per wing on the A333 iso 3 for the A359.
One can also look at the winglets.

Quoting airmagnac (Reply 193):
You can see as well the shadows of the 2 aircrafts on the ground.
Incredible regarding probability !

These are diffraction patterns on a lower haze level when the atmosphere is very humid. If i viewed from own aircraft it's called " pilot's glory ".
There are some nice pics of the phenomenon on the photo data base.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-10-01 05:16:55 and read 17225 times.

Does anyone know why the Raccoon is hiding at the moment? More test instrument upgrades? Getting ready for vmu?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2013-10-01 06:06:09 and read 17032 times.

G'day

Quoting StTim (Reply 199):
Does anyone know why the Raccoon is hiding at the moment?

The Racoonesse, sister aircraft # 3 is also hiding somewhere. Is the paint not yet dry or why else it is collecting dust?

Flight testing seems to have gone like clockwork until recently, so why the break now? Frustrating for the uninformed a-nutters   


Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-01 06:13:49 and read 17017 times.

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 200):
The Racoonesse, sister aircraft # 3 is also hiding somewhere. Is the paint not yet dry or why else it is collecting dust?

MSN003 can be seen in de picture in Reply #185

Reg is F-WZGG, still thinking about what it means (Like F-WXXL and F-WWDD for the 380 had some logic in them, XXL and DoubleDecker)

Just guessing, maybe Airbus wants to start the next phase only when MSN003 is active and flying, if something happens to one aircraft they at least have one to fall back on...

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-01 06:23:00 and read 17153 times.

No flight activity means MSN1 is being upgraded with new equipment. This is not new.

MSN3 rolled out on September 23 (7 days ago), I think it's fair to expect seeing her flying 2 weeks after roll out. She's now undergoing ground tests.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-02 08:51:27 and read 15967 times.

MSN001 did a short taxi run today as T8 at 15:17 UTC . Wonder what they are up to  .

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-02 11:11:50 and read 15659 times.

Here's the picture:


Airbus - A350-941 - 001 by dn280tls, on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-10-02 19:36:35 and read 15011 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 203):
MSN001 did a short taxi run today as T8 at 15:17 UTC . Wonder what they are up to  .

Taxi only? Not up to much, then   

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-02 22:16:06 and read 14899 times.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 205):
Taxi only? Not up to much, then

Yeah, it was filed as a taxi ie not an aborted test flight, wonder what they were doing, it seems from the playback they went back to the test center so not displacement.  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-02 23:21:09 and read 14774 times.

AIB61WB airborne at 6:16

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-02 23:40:15 and read 14703 times.

Re the taxi yesterday, why would one do a taxi test? To verify new brakes?

Why would one fit new brakes? I would do it if I was going to Vmu or similar tests  Wow!

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-03 00:46:06 and read 14483 times.

I believe this is the first time we see her so far East...

Flying over Corsica now, with no intentions to turn left/right

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-03 01:25:37 and read 14344 times.

I suspect that the VMU tests are over. Is there any rule that it can only be done at Istres?. Any airport/aibase with a long runway should suffice? The raccoon went somewhere south of Paris for 2 days where fr24 could not pick her up for quite a few hours. I think It was during one of these flights that she was seen with that patch/instrumentation near the tail skid.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-03 02:13:55 and read 14143 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 210):

I suspect that the VMU tests are over. Is there any rule that it can only be done at Istres?. Any airport/aibase with a long runway should suffice? The raccoon went somewhere south of Paris for 2 days where fr24 could not pick her up for quite a few hours. I think It was during one of these flights that she was seen with that patch/instrumentation near the tail skid.

You could be right I guess..

I remember the A380 needed 22 VMU take-offs and multiple new skids. Is that possible in 2 flights? I believe she went dark on those 2 flights for about 4/5 hours.

On the last couple of photos Karel posted the tailskid is missing/gone

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: trent900
Posted 2013-10-03 02:17:06 and read 14134 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 210):
Is there any rule that it can only be done at Istres?. Any airport/aibase with a long runway should suffice?

This is a very good point. As far as I've seen on the forum, VMU tests should have been completed already but I think we've all been waiting for her to be flown down to Istres, which as far as I'm aware hasn't occurred yet. I'm sure there are plenty of fields around that are capable. Unless of course dedicated teams and facilities aren't located anywhere else?

D.

[Edited 2013-10-03 02:19:46]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 02:37:28 and read 14008 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 211):
You could be right I guess..

Tend to agree, I had a careful look at the last Taxi photo and can't see a single change on MSN001 (even the wing-root tufting still remains as does the downwash pitot tube), the tail protection is the normal little hump for instance. Perhaps it was just normal 250 hour maintenance (is there such a thing in normal new aircraft operations at approx 250 hours?), A has said they will be operating their test aircrafts as close to a normal airliner as possible.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: breiz
Posted 2013-10-03 02:53:54 and read 13917 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 201):
Reg is F-WZGG, still thinking about what it means (Like F-WXXL and F-WWDD for the 380 had some logic in them, XXL and DoubleDecker)

Although F-WWDD is known to Airbus people as "Dédé ", French abbreviation of "André".

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-03 03:27:55 and read 13756 times.

The VMU tests are a very important milestone for the A350 program. I expect a press release soon if those tests indeed were completed last week.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-10-03 03:47:34 and read 13656 times.

Maybe with the press release announcing the first flight of MSN0003?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 03:49:42 and read 13662 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 211):
I remember the A380 needed 22 VMU take-offs and multiple new skids. Is that possible in 2 flights?

What they are doing right now is internal preparatory tests for the ensuing certification tests. For the A380 they needed to tweak the FBW quite a bit to get to the values they wanted, then they went for certification tests. If the A350 was straightforward in this respect it might have sufficed with 2 tests flights. The airfield which could have been used is a bit of a mystery however, you have two candidates Villacoublay (which is short) and Melun-Villaroche which was used for flight tests in the Mirage days. It is however privately owned since 5 years and I doubt A would do any tests there.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-10-03 04:15:19 and read 13511 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 217):
The airfield which could have been used is a bit of a mystery however, you have two candidates Villacoublay (which is short) and Melun-Villaroche which was used for flight tests in the Mirage days. It is however privately owned since 5 years and I doubt A would do any tests there.

Ferpe, the best candidate for these tests would be, without a doubt, Bretigny/Orge - LFPY - or Base aérienne 217.
It used to be the first site for the Flight test Centres, even before Istres and has all the facilities and the back-up infrastructure for Airbus, and has a 3000 m runway.
Being a Nato airbase, security and discretion would be easy.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-03 04:28:15 and read 13425 times.

Hello Pihero

For sure, a widebody hovering over N104 (landing or taking off) would have triggered some tweets / youtube vids or whatever

And it seems that the CEV is closed ?

I guess it can only be done at Istres now

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-03 05:51:22 and read 13143 times.

There are more Raccoon™ pictures from yesterday:


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr

Looks like a patch on the aft bottom section.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Scipio
Posted 2013-10-03 06:36:06 and read 12889 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 220):
Looks like a patch on the aft bottom section.

Yes, but it seems that it was already there on September 28. See the picture you posted in post #190 above.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-03 07:22:17 and read 12680 times.

AIB61WB landed 14:22 UTC.

Quoting Scipio (Reply 221):
Yes, but it seems that it was already there on September 28. See the picture you posted in post #190 above.

My mind is a bit   

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-03 07:28:58 and read 12609 times.

8 hrs plus and all of it at cruise....

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 08:03:25 and read 12425 times.

Seems like AIB61WB landed at 14:22 UTC

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Scipio
Posted 2013-10-03 08:34:13 and read 12324 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 222):
My mind is a bit   

It's OK   It wasn't quite as visible in the earlier picture. Nobody here seems to have noticed it, including me. Until I went back after seeing today's pictures...

Does your "old" mind have any idea what this patch might be?

A repair?
Protective padding for the VMU test?
Sensors for the VMU test?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-03 08:56:37 and read 12218 times.

Quoting Scipio (Reply 225):
A repair?
Protective padding for the VMU test?
Sensors for the VMU test?

The a380 took a knock in that area during the first VMU test- it was shown in detail in some documentary. I suspect a hit and a repair patch is not out of the question if the VMU tests have indeed been done. It could also be some instrumentation. All this is speculation of course until we hear something concrete from Airbus about clearing the VMU part of certification.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-03 09:12:45 and read 12337 times.

MSN3 is back on the flightline.


A350 msn3 3/10/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-10-03 09:34:04 and read 12201 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 227):
MSN3 is back on the flightline.

Hopefully she will fly very soon.  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 09:46:25 and read 12161 times.

Quoting Scipio (Reply 225):
A repair?
Protective padding for the VMU test?
Sensors for the VMU test?

I had not seen it before, it was not there for the formation flying, ie is put there in the last week or so.

IMO it is some protection of the surface, MSN001 is reinforced in this area, that can be seen from her roll out days. The mat was first spotted by Starbuck when she landed after doing her own thing in the Paris area on the 26th, then she also had the tailskid on. Since then they refitted the hump but the protective mat is still there.

   Smells they stole some candy from us by doing our hot awaited VMU stuff unseen in some joint in Paris        

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-03 09:52:21 and read 12245 times.

Quoting Scipio (Reply 225):
Does your "old" mind have any idea what this patch might be?

I have no idea. The first A380 was damaged during the VMU trials and was patched too, perhaps they have damaged our lady.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-10-03 09:54:48 and read 12201 times.

I remember watching the documentary on the 380 testing and it seemed to me like the design team got the tail skid in the wrong place.

Perhaps AB are being uber careful after that little incident.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-10-03 10:39:59 and read 12101 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 227):

That picture shows how long the A 340-600 is and even the A 350-1000 will not reach her.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-03 11:01:40 and read 11973 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 232):
That picture shows how long the A 340-600 is and even the A 350-1000 will not reach her.

True, although the A350-1000 should hold more seats.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-03 11:04:07 and read 11999 times.

The damage (if it is damage) must be very minor since they flew later in the evening of those 2 "mystery" flights. I say again- all this is pure speculation since we don't know what exactly that piece of material is.  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 11:06:00 and read 11989 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 234):
I say again- all this is pure speculation since we don't know what exactly that piece of material is.

Of course it is speculation, this is 80% of the stuff we write here  Wow! 

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-03 11:15:22 and read 11916 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 235):
Of course it is speculation, this is 80% of the stuff we write here Wow!

Well here's more speculation for you- could that patch be some sort of tufting? A camera could sit very well inside that hump.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 11:37:03 and read 11830 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 236):
Well here's more speculation for you- could that patch be some sort of tufting? A camera could sit very well inside that hump.

I doubt that it is tufting = stuff to see the aerodynamic flow. It can very well be a camera background/grid however to see if there is any buckling(/deformation in this area when you hit with the Vmu skid and it gets fully compressed, you see the same type of grid painted on the wings in post 82, it is to film deformation patterns.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-10-03 15:03:11 and read 11322 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 230):

I had a double take looking at that picture: it is almost like the man on the right has three arms!  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 22:54:29 and read 10907 times.

The Raccoon will fly of as AIB61WB soon, just put on the transponder for a while.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 23:03:08 and read 10884 times.

Quoting Pihero (Reply 218):
Ferpe, the best candidate for these tests would be, without a doubt, Bretigny/Orge - LFPY - or Base aérienne 217.
It used to be the first site for the Flight test Centres, even before Istres and has all the facilities and the back-up infrastructure for Airbus, and has a 3000 m runway.
Being a Nato airbase, security and discretion would be easy.
OK, that might be, Wiki.fr says it is basically closed but that might be wrong. I had a look at the playback for the 26th, we loose her over Troyes at FL200 descending (tracked by F-LFLY1 from Lyon), course NO at 05.13 UTC, then she is gone until 09:33 (4 hours gone!) then she reappears once again over Troyes course SW at FL270 climbing (tracked by F-LFLBI1 at Poitiers). Me thinks she was not doing stuff at the Paris area, location and heading does not fit, rather some base in the NE of France and I would think it was indeed the Vmu internal verification that was done during those 4 hours. BTW, why are there not receivers in the Paris or NE France area??

What bases with long runways and good safety facilities would there be in the NE part of France?

[Edited 2013-10-03 23:08:14]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-03 23:14:05 and read 10832 times.

AIB62WB airborne at 06.12 UTC .

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-10-03 23:28:45 and read 10745 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 239):
The Raccoon will fly of as AIB61WB soon, just put on the transponder for a while

AIB62WB, in fact

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 00:25:18 and read 10593 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 240):
OK, that might be,

The A350 blog also has a few theories.

http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...-test-could-be-completed-last.html

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-04 00:52:44 and read 10426 times.

I was thinking that VMU tests needed a lot of ground support ...
At least for filming, patching and so on...

So It can't be donw unseen !

By the way, someone can call Vatry airport and ask ? They've got a low trafic and a long long runway

My guess is that it has not yet been done

And that Flight test schedule is being reworked in the light of the reliability of Racoon 1 :d

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-10-04 01:53:31 and read 10197 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 240):
What bases with long runways and good safety facilities would there be in the NE part of France?
Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 244):
I was thinking that VMU tests needed a lot of ground support ...
At least for filming, patching and so on...

There are then two candidates with good infratstructure, safety... and discretion :
Saint Dizier, but more likely Nancy-Ochey which fits the descent profile into the East and the climb after an easterly departure.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 244):
So It can't be donw unseen !

From these two air bases, security and discretion criteria are fulfilled.

Does anyone has a link for the A380 tests vids ? They could give a clue as to where the tests were performed.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: queb
Posted 2013-10-04 02:33:03 and read 10035 times.

Quoting Pihero (Reply 245):
Does anyone has a link for the A380 tests vids ? They could give a clue as to where the tests were performed.

Istres

http://bloga350.blogspot.ca/2012/12/...il-strike-test-will-be-one-of.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwQMXz9PbrY

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ThunderboltDrgn
Posted 2013-10-04 02:34:38 and read 10032 times.

Quoting Pihero (Reply 245):
Does anyone has a link for the A380 tests vids ? They could give a clue as to where the tests were performed.

Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwQMXz9PbrY

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-10-04 04:01:20 and read 9653 times.

Quoting queb (Reply 246):
Istres
Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 247):
Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwQMX...9PbrY

Thanks. It was.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 244):
My guess is that it has not yet been done

I tend to agree with you.
I really do not see why the tests - if they've been performed - weren't done at Istres. All the facilities and infratstructure and telemetry is there.
So it begs one question : What was the use / then removal of the tail skid and the padding on the lower aft fuselage ?
The answer is - or could be - about high nose up attitudes both during takeoff and landing phases... and all of it points towards tweaking of the high-lift devices configurations.
So, in a sense we're back to minimum control speeds...
Reviewing the flap / slat settings since the first flight, it seems that the 350 has lower set angles on the trailing edge flaps for landing - so config 3 and full - and a much lower extension of the leading edge slats in the same configs.
Ferpe's interest in the THS angle at touch-down points to the same progress in the LED tweaks.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 04:11:14 and read 9593 times.

AIB62WB touch down at 11:11 UTC and passing 300 test hours.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-10-04 04:32:21 and read 9473 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 249):
AIB62WB touch down at 11:11 UTC and passing 300 test hours.

If you take block times yes. If you take pure flight times, take off to touch down, there are still about ten hours missing.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-04 04:45:09 and read 9417 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 250):
If you take block times yes. If you take pure flight times, take off to touch down, there are still about ten hours missing.

Since Airbus kind of confirmed that block time is official test time (check Karels post #111 and mine #113) it's not more than logical to say the A350 passed 300 hours today

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-10-04 04:54:40 and read 9585 times.

Here's Sir Sparkalot:

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: StTim
Posted 2013-10-04 04:58:59 and read 9454 times.

That looks very like a vmu test!

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-04 05:00:16 and read 9454 times.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 252):
Here's Sir Sparkalot:

Wow thanks... Confirming Raccoons are b*stards.... Hiding from us when doing interesting stuff  

[Edited 2013-10-04 05:01:52]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 05:01:38 and read 9426 times.

 Wow! Nice find francoflier!

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: zeke
Posted 2013-10-04 05:16:09 and read 9345 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 215):

The VMU tests are a very important milestone for the A350 program. I expect a press release soon if those tests indeed were completed last week.

Airbus has sent us photos of the Vmu tests, unfortunately I am not able to post them due to contractual requirements. Hopefully they will post them somewhere, they are amazing angles and in great detail taken by H. Gousse.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 05:19:28 and read 9308 times.

Any idea about the location?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-10-04 05:21:36 and read 9295 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 251):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 250):
If you take block times yes. If you take pure flight times, take off to touch down, there are still about ten hours missing.

Since Airbus kind of confirmed that block time is official test time (check Karels post #111 and mine #113) it's not more than logical to say the A350 passed 300 hours today

It is just when Airbus talked about having finished 250 hours, that was flight time at that time. And I agreed that when you talk about block time, that the 300 hour mark is passed.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-04 05:32:39 and read 9227 times.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 252):
Here's Sir Sparkalot:

And I think we can see what the black mat was all about, here the A380 test:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/ferpe_bucket/20131004A380Vmutest_zpsccb41a67.jpg

No smoke without fire is the saying, then no Vmu without sparks and a lot of them,    , need to cover that CFRP hull 

[Edited 2013-10-04 05:33:07]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-10-04 05:33:48 and read 9240 times.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 254):
Wow thanks... Confirming Raccoons are b*stards.... Hiding from us when doing interesting stuff

Post of the week        

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 05:37:54 and read 9229 times.

Picture of AIB62WB in the fog:


AIB62WB 4/10/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

[Edited 2013-10-04 05:38:22]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: pugman211
Posted 2013-10-04 05:39:38 and read 9161 times.

Wow! That pic in post 252 is pretty impressive.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-04 05:40:59 and read 9209 times.

Wow...Iam the next Nostradmus.... Oh wait....I only spoke of something that already happened.,, 

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-04 05:45:08 and read 9218 times.

Damned i'm done
I was never thinking that this could have been done (VMU tests)

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ThunderboltDrgn
Posted 2013-10-04 05:47:15 and read 9215 times.

So any ideas to why they didn't do the tests at Istres?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 05:48:01 and read 9252 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 264):
I was never thinking that this could have been done (VMU tests)

Why not?

Quoting ferpe (Reply 259):
No smoke without fire is the saying, then no Vmu without sparks and a lot of them,    , need to cover that CFRP hull

  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-04 05:55:20 and read 9188 times.

Why ? It's hard to hide those kinds of test
But they've done it !

Maybe at your home airport, but it is obviously not TLS ? (it seems to be near a lake or a shore)

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 06:01:29 and read 9138 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 267):
Why ? It's hard to hide those kinds of test

True, but perhaps they went to an airport without population.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 267):
But they've done it !

Well, there is a reason why we call her Raccoon Bastard  

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 267):
but it is obviously not TLS ? (it seems to be near a lake or a shore)

It's certainly not TLS. You can see farmland in the background of the picture, it must be an airport without population.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-04 06:04:16 and read 9089 times.

On a serious note, Its great to see execution rather than publication... They are just getting on with doing stuff rather than telling everyone about it.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-04 06:05:02 and read 9118 times.

Farmland, and maybe water
It's on a little hill, next to a gentle valley

So ?
Must be in France (y Corsica), Spain (not sure ?) , Germany ? (not sure)

Too hilly terrain for Istres

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 06:09:54 and read 9114 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 270):
So ?

How about Melun Villaroche Aerodrome?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hX_wiYelo_k/UkdiVRdeHeI/AAAAAAAAIAA/6scATsDvdmI/s1600/Villaroche.jpg

http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...-test-could-be-completed-last.html

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-04 06:11:47 and read 9078 times.

Vatry

At least they've seen the Racoon

Quote:

Avia.poncho ‏@Aviaponcho 5 h

@parisvatry Bonjour, auriez vous vu passer un A350 pour des tests sur votre piste ? Il y a des rumeurs qui courent à ce sujet. Merci
Ouvrir
Aéroport Paris-Vatry ‏@parisvatry 5 min

@Aviaponcho oui l'A350 bien est venu s'entrainer à l'aéroport!

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-04 06:12:22 and read 9090 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 271):

How about Melun Villaroche Aerodrome?

That runway is way too short...

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-04 06:20:36 and read 9035 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 272):
Vatry

Fits with the flight path, must be it, it is 3860m long!!! Good catch. Check if they were there on the 26th of September, BTW not needed, MNS001 has not landed on any other airport then TLS so far, now we know they have been there, must have been the 26th.

[Edited 2013-10-04 06:29:10]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 06:23:40 and read 9023 times.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 273):
That runway is way too short...

6,480 ft / 1,975 m

I'm not sure how much runway they need.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: TheRedBaron
Posted 2013-10-04 06:37:01 and read 8951 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 235):
Of course it is speculation, this is 80% of the stuff we write here   

This should be like a mantra for a-net...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 261):
Picture of AIB62WB in the fog:

incredible picture...!

seems the Raccoon has some "night" activities...

TRB

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 08:43:16 and read 8499 times.

And AIB63WB is online.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-04 08:45:35 and read 8504 times.

Time for some late day work, AIB63WB is lining up soon. Seems the weather has stopped flying earlier today.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-10-04 09:21:55 and read 8313 times.

Is flight 63 online really? I don't see it…

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ap305
Posted 2013-10-04 09:26:36 and read 8279 times.

The transponder was on a couple of times since 1pm (utc) or so.... I guess its either the poor weather or possibly some bug which is holding up the evening run.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 11:26:22 and read 7853 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 272):
Vatry

At least they've seen the Racoon

David K from Flightglobal seems to agree with you, although I'm not sure if he had confirmed this with Airbus.

http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/386176767733407744

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-04 13:38:57 and read 7427 times.

Karel,
Official twitter count of Paris vatry answered my question a350 was in vatry...
And it seems more than possible looking at the photo...  
Very nice surprise
BTW how did you have this photo ?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-04 13:47:35 and read 7368 times.

And msn3 engines have smoked today...
So... First flight is not far now

[Edited 2013-10-04 13:58:25]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 13:51:16 and read 7336 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 283):
And msn3 engines have smocked today...

What is smocked? I assume smoking, so engines were started today?

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-10-04 13:57:32 and read 7296 times.

Sorry smoked
Yes engine start...

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 14:02:00 and read 7273 times.

Thanks poncho.

Guess we might see her at BIKINI tomorrow or Monday to apply full engine thrust.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-04 14:43:29 and read 7111 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 285):
Sorry smoked
Yes engine start...
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 286):
Guess we might see her at BIKINI tomorrow or Monday to apply full engine thrust.

Had to look it up but MSN1 was fired up for the first time on June 2nd and First flew June 14th (as we all know   )
Hopefully MSN3 will be a bit quicker (2nd aircraft, people have experience with MSN1, etc..) and she could fly end of next week...   or Oct. 14th, exactly 4 months after MSN1...

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-04 14:52:07 and read 7079 times.

MSN3 should be quicker, ground tests took also less time than MSN1.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-10-04 17:11:43 and read 6852 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 282):
BTW how did you have this photo ?

He did not, Karel is our mega photo fixer but this time it was Francoflier who gave it to us:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 252):
Here's Sir Sparkalot:

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: zeke
Posted 2013-10-04 19:34:43 and read 6697 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 282):
Official twitter count of Paris vatry answered my question a350 was in vatry...

There is some footage on Youtube around that airport as well.......

http://youtu.be/nA2wC-8Sgt0

[Edited 2013-10-04 19:36:31]

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2013-10-04 20:49:06 and read 6604 times.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 252):

Looks like they took it a little easier with the Raccon than with the A380. Wasn't much left of the tail skid after F-WWOW did the test.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-05 01:47:56 and read 6221 times.

Looks like we all missed her... Had to check back via playback

AIB63WB take off 08:27UTC, currently South of Toulouse 4000ft 280kts

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-05 04:06:34 and read 5843 times.

MSN3 was also visible on FR24.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-05 04:08:55 and read 5841 times.

For a while I thought "Do they have the "balls" to turn around and complete the drawing" :P 

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: schwege
Posted 2013-10-05 04:40:49 and read 5718 times.

The young Raccoon is at least as sneaky as it's older sister, hiding it's registration from the transmission! Well, it wasn't a big fix to be able to track the transponder code, too...  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-05 04:43:51 and read 5698 times.

@schwege FR24 needs to update its database. Expect this to happen in the coming days.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-10-05 04:46:11 and read 5671 times.

Quoting schwege (Reply 295):
The young Raccoon is at least as sneaky as it's older sister

Raccoons are B*stards!!   

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: schwege
Posted 2013-10-05 05:29:00 and read 5539 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 296):
FR24 needs to update its database. Expect this to happen in the coming days.

I thought it's part of the ADS-B transmission, but now that you say that, it makes perfect sense. There's no reason for the transmission to include another static data field in addition to the transponder code, and the registration is really useless information considering air-to-air usage of the protocol.

But anyway, we don't need to wait for FR24 now  

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-05 06:22:48 and read 5316 times.

AIB63WB touch down at 13:21 UTC.

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-10-05 12:24:47 and read 4684 times.

MSN3 being towed:

http://youtu.be/qlVBPY-nSdM

Topic: RE: A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2013-10-05 13:26:06 and read 4536 times.

As this become too long, we opened a new thread (Part 6) so discussion can continue

Link to the next thread
A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 6 (by LipeGIG Oct 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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