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Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: iowaman
Posted 2013-11-06 15:56:17 and read 47742 times.

Previous thread: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 22 (by 777ER Oct 18 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: United787
Posted 2013-11-06 17:48:59 and read 47564 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 100 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-23; JL-11; AI-9; QR-9; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; CZ-5; BY-4; BA-4; HU-3; AM-3; DY-2; BI-2; JQ-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – 11/4/2013 - AI #10
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/4/2013 - JL #12

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 124 - N27908 - UA #8
L/N 125 – JA833J - JL #13
L/N 85 - B–2730 - HU #4
L/N 104 - B-2737 – CZ #6 or 7
L/N 36 - B-2726 – CZ #6 or 7
L/N 131 - B-2731 – HU #5
L/N 136 - EI-LNC - DY #3
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – JQ #2
L/N 119 - B-2735 – CZ #8
L/N 30 - VT-ANEAI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 132 - JA824A - NH #24 Awaiting first flight
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – QR #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2729 – HU #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 137 – OO-JDL - TB #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 135 - N26909 - UA #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 141 – A6-??? - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-06 22:56:25 and read 47160 times.

Photo of ZB002 N789FT from yesterday, Photo by Matt Cawby:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/10719250343_9321032d4c_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10719250343/in/photostream//

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: pdxswa
Posted 2013-11-06 23:24:21 and read 47100 times.

LAN Airlines CC-BBD long since delivered. However at the time sitting on the PAE flight line engineless.


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Photo © Bill Shemley

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-07 01:34:14 and read 46917 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/4/2013 - JL #12

Damn it she left, huh?

I can't see her land at HND   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-07 01:36:04 and read 46921 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Damn it she left, huh?

It's still parked at the delivery center.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-07 01:39:29 and read 46912 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
It's still parked at the delivery center.

Ah alright, sorry for flipping out   If her ETA at HND is before 4:45 PM I can easily spot her landing.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-07 02:05:01 and read 46860 times.

Here's a nice picture of ZB002, taken yesterday:


N789FT by Powercube, on Flickr

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-07 02:14:20 and read 46847 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Ah alright, sorry for flipping out   If her ETA at HND is before 4:45 PM I can easily spot her landing.

There hasn't been a single JAL 787 delivery to HND so i don't see why this one would be any different.
ANA delivers to HND. JAL to NRT.
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-07 05:30:06 and read 46577 times.

ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131107/1500Z/KPAE/KMWH

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-07 05:39:55 and read 46550 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 8):
There hasn't been a single JAL 787 delivery to HND so i don't see why this one would be any different.

I see    I'm not sure if I should fork over the ¥3000 N'EX ticket or not....lol

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

I haven't been following well enough; has this one flown yet or not

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-07 05:52:08 and read 46515 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
I haven't been following well enough; has this one flown yet or not

No, it hasn't yet flown. Hopefully she'll be up today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-07 06:24:59 and read 46445 times.

ANA JA803A (LN7, the first 787 production frame) now titled "Inspiration of Japan".


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Photo © Yoshio Yamagishi

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-11-07 08:02:39 and read 46197 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

forecasts are from high winds and a lot of torrential rain today for the next 6 hours.. I wouldn't bet on any test flights..

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-07 08:13:14 and read 46084 times.

ZB002 is up and flying

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-07 08:17:58 and read 46046 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 13):
a lot of torrential rain today for the next 6 hours.

Two words: water injection!

or, maybe she'll stay up for 6 hours and come back dry?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-07 08:41:01 and read 45864 times.

It looks like the plan is at least 5 hours to MWH.

I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../20131107/1500Z/KPAE/KMWH/tracklog


tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-07 08:50:55 and read 45780 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):

Fr24 is showing the same thing:

http://www.flightradar24.com/BOE2

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: ultrapig
Posted 2013-11-07 09:05:47 and read 45686 times.

Most of you have been following this more than have so don't flame me-

Why would any customer chose the 8 as opposed to the 9 now for delvieries when one could get the 9? How much more is the sticker price for the 9 and does it have signficantly hihger operating costs?-Presumably the only additonal operating cost would be the delta in fuel?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-07 09:17:23 and read 45591 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?

It's definitely ZB002. They don't need to be as conservative here as they did for either the second 787-8 or the first 787-9. A production frame would typically reach these speeds/altitudes on its maiden flight.

Edit: ZA234 (AI LN30) also finally made it up this morning, after two failed attempts.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131107/1730Z/KPAE/KMWH

[Edited 2013-11-07 09:19:54]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-07 09:26:49 and read 45495 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
It looks like the plan is at least 5 hours to MWH.

I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?


ZB001 cleared the envelope, ZB002 can go right to work (B-1 profile, etc). The FAA may require 5 hours prior to landing at BFI which may account for the longer flight than just a B-1 profile or they may just have a lot of extra test conditions.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-07 09:35:09 and read 45418 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 17):
Fr24 is showing the same thing:
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
A production frame would typically reach these speeds/altitudes on its maiden flight.

I sure was expecting a more gradual introduction. But they have some solid confidence, good for them.

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 18):
Why would any customer chose the 8 as opposed to the 9 now for delvieries when one could get the 9?

Many here think that the order book will transition to reflect a heavier concentration of -9s to -8s. We have already seen this transition happen with orders from AC and Air Berlin (not firmed) and others. The costs too fly a -9 will not but that much higher than a -8.

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 18):
How much more is the sticker price for the 9 and does it have signficantly hihger operating costs?

Difference is about $37.7 Million
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/

The reasons to buy the 787-8 are primarily because you do not think you can fill a 789 and therefore don't want to pay the higher price and the fuel burn of empty seats. There are a lot of 763s out there and a 787-8 is a step up in capacity as is. Likewise, A332 operators that are comfortable with its capacity will prefer the 787-8. If the additional seats come very cheaply this may be limited as we see with the larger single aisle aircraft. However, once the improvements in the -9 are backflowed into the -8 this delta between fuel burn could widen making a 788 more appealing.

Also, there are a significant amount of LCC/Charter airlines that fit their aircraft with higher seat counts: JQ at 335 seats for example. Other examples at DY/LionAir/TUI/Scoot where they are going to fill these 787-8s with large seat counts and where the 789 will be 50-60 more seats (nearly 400) in their configuration and therefore just plain too big for their business model. I believe these type of customers will keep the 788 relevant even if order numbers are low.

The 787-8 appears to be in a market all by itself with nothing even planned to compete with it even on the horizon. That is truly a rare thing. Even if the market is small, 100% of it should make it do just fine even if many don't agree with me.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 20):
ZB001 cleared the envelope, ZB002 can go right to work (B-1 profile, etc). The FAA may require 5 hours prior to landing at BFI which may account for the longer flight than just a B-1 profile or they may just have a lot of extra test conditions.

As always, thank you for the insight.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Sooner787
Posted 2013-11-07 10:00:38 and read 45199 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 21):
The 787-8 appears to be in a market all by itself with nothing even planned to compete with it even on the horizon. That is truly a rare thing. Even if the market is small, 100% of it should make it do just fine even if many don't agree with me.

I'm still waiting to see if airlines like Alaska, Southwest, or even Ryanair
might decide to take the widebody plunge with 788's

Would be quite a sight seeing WN 787's at HOU's new intl terminal

and/or AS 788's at Sea-Tac

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: n471wn
Posted 2013-11-07 10:13:33 and read 45110 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
It's still parked at the delivery center.

Has JAL line #20 left Everett yet?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-07 10:17:25 and read 45079 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 23):
Has JAL line #20 left Everett yet?

Nope, Was moved from the delivery center to stall 107:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/398510011116027904

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: n471wn
Posted 2013-11-07 10:23:26 and read 45586 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 24):
Nope, Was moved from the delivery center to stall 107:

So the much discussed delivery #100 never took place? How embarrassing to Boeing that they picked an a/c that could not leave

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-07 10:44:42 and read 45430 times.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 22):
I'm still waiting to see if airlines like Alaska, Southwest, or even Ryanair
might decide to take the widebody plunge with 788's

How about adding B6 or EZ to the list? FR is interested:

Quote:
Mr. O'Leary said he wants to start the business in three to four years but said the current five-year backlog on deliveries of the widebody jet was holding up his decision to go ahead.

The 787 "is the perfect aircraft for long-haul low-cost trans-Atlantic travel," said Mr. O'Leary at an Airport Operators Association conference in London.

I think the growth is in Asia so if its turns into a darling for JQ/TZ/JT and the like it could be an even more successful aircraft.

The smallest aircraft that has intercontinental range should stay relevant for awhile. This is not like the 767-200 where single aisles began to have intercontinental range.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 25):
So the much discussed delivery #100

Only discussed heavily on here.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 25):
How embarrassing to Boeing that they picked an a/c that could not leave

Not embarrassing at all. We don't know the details and Boeing has not indicated anything about it being delivery #100. This appears to be a non-event to them.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: United787
Posted 2013-11-07 10:58:57 and read 45972 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):

Not embarrassing at all. We don't know the details and Boeing has not indicated anything about it being delivery #100. This appears to be a non-event to them.

Or maybe they have something planned which is why it hasn't left...

Is it me or does Boeing seem more tight lipped as of late? I feel like we don't get as much information from A-Netter's sources as we used to...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-07 11:27:00 and read 45779 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 25):
So the much discussed delivery #100 never took place? How embarrassing to Boeing that they picked an a/c that could not leave

It had all the appearances of a delivery: C flights, parked at the delivery center and a ferry flight to Narita scheduled the same day. I doubt JAL would do that unless they had been given the "keys." Mind you, it could have been contractual delivered and then broke down. But then again, Boeing would likely bust its balls getting it ready to fly. That it has not flown away could be a JAL decision.

Allthings787s has moved it back to "ready for delivery," so who knows whats up. He posts here often, so maybe he'll share what he knows or just note that we need proof positive before setting to delivered status.

Quoting United787 (Reply 27):
Is it me or does Boeing seem more tight lipped as of late?

Maybe they are reviewing the new contract offer. New term under productivity initiatives: No posting on A.Net or we move 777X production elsewhere?

[Edited 2013-11-07 11:30:25]

[Edited 2013-11-07 11:34:46]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-07 12:38:26 and read 45393 times.

ZB001 was spotted on the 40-51 apron yesterday.


Boeing 787-9 by moonm, on Flickr

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-07 14:26:48 and read 44743 times.

A little over an hour ago I saw ZB002, low on approach to BFI, from a meeting room window in my office. It was the first time I'd seen a 787-9 in person, and I may have slightly disrupted the work meeting I was in at the time   . The aircraft just looks magnificent... it's making me reconsider my usual preference for the shortest version.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-07 14:34:40 and read 44708 times.

ZB021 initial engine run today.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYfZoTVCAAABxqt.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/398526378586296320

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: United787
Posted 2013-11-07 14:43:15 and read 44626 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
ZB021 initial engine run today

Sounds like this may get up in the air rather quickly!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-07 15:04:32 and read 44488 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
ZB021 initial engine run today.

IIRC ZB001 and ZB002 rolled out, went into paint, then back into the FAL for testing equipment installation, then rolled out, then had an initial engine run. They must have already installed test equipment, which was certainly quicker than with the other two and it certainly didn't go into paint.

Very interesting. I was thinking they would solid if they could have all three in the air by the end of the year but now its looking like ZB197 (LN 146) has a chance to fly before year end as well.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-07 15:24:22 and read 44427 times.

Boeing has posted some images of ZB002's first flight. Maybe someone with access can upload some high resolution images.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.ph...20295&item=128864#assets_117:19334

4 Hour and 18 Minute first flight.

Boeing also added this:

"As the only 787-9 test airplane to be fitted with elements of the passenger interior, ZB002 will test systems such as the environmental control system in addition to avionics and other aspects of airplane performance. Boeing has conducted a series of ground tests on the second 787-9 since its completion in late September.
With manufacturing of the 787-9 flight-test fleet complete, the first production 787-9 in final assembly and 137 flight-test hours to date, 787-9 development is on track. 787-10 development also is progressing as planned."

Flight test fleet is complete. First customer is ANZ (LN169) but NH's 787-9 is already in production (LN146). I know this has been mentioned but why won't NH's 787-9 be delivered first? I thought it was going to have some test equipment in it but its looking like it will have a normal interior.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: ER757
Posted 2013-11-07 16:06:43 and read 44197 times.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 14):

ZB002 is up and flying

Happened to be looking out my office window in Renton about that time and caught a glimpse of it before it vanished into the clouds - first time I've seen a 789 aloft....beautiful bird.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-07 23:03:48 and read 43724 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 34):
Maybe someone with access can upload some high resolution images.

Here you go. Click on each one to bring up the full photo:

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9798.jpg

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9799.jpg

Thank you Matt Cawby  http://kpae.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/paine-field-november-7.html

[Edited 2013-11-07 23:10:37]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-08 00:35:45 and read 43549 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33):
IIRC ZB001 and ZB002 rolled out, went into paint, then back into the FAL for testing equipment installation, then rolled out, then had an initial engine run. They must have already installed test equipment, which was certainly quicker than with the other two and it certainly didn't go into paint.

ZB021 is a light test equipment a/c, hence it needs less assembly time.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 34):
Flight test fleet is complete. First customer is ANZ (LN169) but NH's 787-9 is already in production (LN146). I know this has been mentioned but why won't NH's 787-9 be delivered first? I thought it was going to have some test equipment in it but its looking like it will have a normal interior.

LN146 is the production standard test a/c and will be used to obtain certification. It will have minimal test equipment onboard.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-08 08:21:33 and read 43003 times.

ZA434 (LN 85, B-2730) is at the Charleston Delivery Center. There may be an imminent delivery of this airframe.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-08 08:51:37 and read 42919 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 36):
Here you go.

Thank you. Did the MLG doors open on rotation again? It sure looks like it.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 37):
LN146 is the production standard test a/c and will be used to obtain certification. It will have minimal test equipment onboard.

Then I am surprised that they have said that the final assembly for the test fleet is complete. Seems contradictory.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 38):
ZA434 (LN 85, B-2730) is at the Charleston Delivery Center.

Good to see another Chinese bird go and its good to see deliveries from Charleston. Its been a long time since there were only 7 aircraft in pre-flight prep at both locations. They sure did a good job of erasing the backlog of unflown jets from the grounding.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-08 10:45:38 and read 42659 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 38):
ZA434 (LN 85, B-2730) is at the Charleston Delivery Center. There may be an imminent delivery of this airframe.

Anyone know why it is going to ORD?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...0/history/20131108/2000Z/KCHS/KORD

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-08 10:50:57 and read 42639 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 40):
Anyone know why it is going to ORD?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C.../KORD

Boeing's Corporate headquarters is in Chicago. I'm willing to bet that it'll be there for a ceremony to celebrate the deliver of the 100th 787 which, it seems, is going to Hainan.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-08 10:57:13 and read 42609 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 41):
Boeing's Corporate headquarters is in Chicago. I'm willing to bet that it'll be there for a ceremony to celebrate the deliver of the 100th 787 which, it seems, is going to Hainan.

Very interesting.

I am not sure if it is about Boeing headquarters or because its a route they just started:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...service-united-airlines-dreamliner

Regardless, it does appear to be number 100.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-08 15:48:45 and read 42046 times.

On its way to ORD. We finally have 100, for sure.

I would still like to know why JAL got as far as filing a flight plan to NRT but now their bird has been sitting on the flightline for three days.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: United787
Posted 2013-11-08 19:23:49 and read 41646 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 43):
On its way to ORD. We finally have 100, for sure.

I would still like to know why JAL got as far as filing a flight plan to NRT but now their bird has been sitting on the flightline for three days.

Do we know for sure? I feel like we really know nothing. JL could have still taken contractual delivery of theirs before HU. I am holding out until we hear something official from Boeing.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-09 06:20:18 and read 41024 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 39):
Then I am surprised that they have said that the final assembly for the test fleet is complete. Seems contradictory.

It's not really a test a/c, see it as a certification a/c.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-09 06:31:55 and read 41017 times.

Any updates on JL? so UA got number 100?

JL shafted again     

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
ANA JA803A (LN7, the first 787 production frame) now titled "Inspiration of Japan".

This appears on a number of airplanes that NH has.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-09 06:34:01 and read 41004 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 46):
Any updates on JL? so UA got number 100?

HU got number 100.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-09 06:44:17 and read 40979 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
HU got number 100.

Aww that's anticlimactic   

I can see some chinese nationalists snickering at JL right now for getting 100 over Japan   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-09 06:47:03 and read 40983 times.

ZB021 engines were successfully started.

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/398950201882181632

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-09 06:48:16 and read 40988 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
HU got number 100.

Has this been confirmed by Boeing? Last i checked there were still odds that JL was contractually delivered as the 100th ahead of HU.
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-09 07:39:08 and read 40862 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
HU got number 100.
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 50):
Has this been confirmed by Boeing? Last i checked there were still odds that JL was contractually delivered as the 100th ahead of HU.

Since we haven't heard from Boeing - and their PR folk seem to like nice round milestone numbers - I'd say they're waiting for LN20 to fly away before announcing it as #100. At a minimum they'd tweet such a delivery and at most a press release with Randy's Blog featuring a photo line up of a bunch of employees in a "100" formation next to the frame. He's long overdue for a blog update. Then again the IAM drama may have the PR department focused on things other than planes.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 48):
I can see some chinese nationalists snickering at JL right now for getting 100 over Japan

All the more reason to have had United take their latest 787 as the 100th. Have the Japanese deployed its Navy in disputed territorial waters yet? Fighter escort for HU's delivery flight?  

"This business will get out of control...."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emdzsz_XvfA

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-09 08:06:46 and read 41023 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 44):
Do we know for sure?

We don't know for sure that HU was #100. We do know now that there have been at least 100 deliveries.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2013-11-09 08:26:03 and read 40969 times.

HU2730 on the way to ZJHK. Maybe a route proving flight for the type?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHH2730

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-10 03:18:25 and read 40039 times.

Next up...

Deliveries:
> JA-821J (Japan Airlines #12)
> N27908 (United Airlines #8) (@ Charleston)
> B-2726 (China Southern #6)

First Flights:
> A7-BC? (Qatar Airways #10) (@ Charleston)
> JA-824A (All Nippon Airways #24) (@ Charleston)
> B-2729 (Hainan Airlines #6)
> OO-JDL (TUI Travel #5/Jetairfly #1)
> N26909 (United Airlines #9) (@ Charleston)
> N789ZB (787-9 Test Aircraft #3)

FAL Rollout:
> N????? (Sky Blue Holdings/ILFC #7)
> N789?? (787-9 Test Aircraft #4/All Nippon Airways)
> JA-825A (All Nippon Airways #25) (@ Charleston)

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-11 01:59:11 and read 38868 times.

ZB021 awaiting first flight:


N789ZB by Powercube, on Flickr

Jetairfly ZA321 on the flightline:


OO-JDL by Powercube, on Flickr

LN4 at Boeing Field:


N7874 by Powercube, on Flickr

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 50):
Has this been confirmed by Boeing?

Not yet confirmed by Boeing.

[Edited 2013-11-11 02:19:18]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2013-11-12 06:31:31 and read 37538 times.

Activity at KCHS today. Would this be a C-1?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE187

UAL-747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-12 08:05:39 and read 37282 times.

The mystery of the 100th delivery apparently solved. Why JA-821J (LN20) hasn't flown away remains undetermined....

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-12 08:12:04 and read 37207 times.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 56):
Activity at KCHS today. Would this be a C-1?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE187

Profile doesn't suggest it's a C-1 more like a B-3.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-12 09:37:04 and read 36969 times.

Matt Cawby has a picture of ZA005 with engines off. ZA004 still has not flown and is located in BFI

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400309589058412544/photo/1

He also has a photo of ZB021.

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9797.png


tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: United787
Posted 2013-11-12 09:37:28 and read 36995 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

PLEASE NOTE: I have made some changes to the summary below, mainly adding the ZA# until delivery. Upon delivery, I replace the ZA# with the delivery date since the ZA# is no longer useful at that point. I have been reluctant to do this because I don’t want to recreate all of NYC777’s extensive spreadsheet here. I wanted to keep this list as a simple summary, but the ZA# seems to be really useful for flight tracking. I also added Charleston to those aircraft since that is a factor in speed of delivery.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 101 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-23; JL-11; AI-9; QR-9; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; CZ-5; BY-4; BA-4; HU-3; AM-3; DY-2; BI-2; JQ-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – 11/4/2013 - AI #10
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/5/2013 - JL #12
L/N 85 - B–2730 – 11/8/2013 - HU #4

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 124 - N27908 – ZA292 - UA #8 (Charleston)
L/N 125 – JA833J – ZA187 - JL #13 (Charleston)
L/N 104 - B-2737 – ZA386 - CZ #6 or 7 (Charleston)
L/N 36 - B-2726 – ZA381 - CZ #6 or 7
L/N 131 - B-2731 – ZA435 - HU #5
L/N 136 - EI-LNC – ZA650 - DY #3
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – ZA216 - JQ #2
L/N 119 - B-2735 – ZA387 - CZ #8 (Charleston)
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – ZA234 - AI #11
L/N 132 - JA824A – ZA515 - NH #24 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – ZA469 - QR #10 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 79 - B-2729 – ZA432 - HU #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 137 – OO-JDL – ZA321 - TB #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 135 - N26909 – ZA293 - UA #9 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 141 – A6-??? – ZA560 - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 142 – VH-VKD –ZA217 - JQ #3 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: n471wn
Posted 2013-11-12 11:07:18 and read 36638 times.

But does anyone know if Line #20 has flown off yet?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-12 11:08:55 and read 36638 times.

It has not departed yet.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-12 11:10:10 and read 36656 times.

ZA234 (AI LN30) scheduled for a B-2 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131112/1900Z/KPAE/KPAE

Meanwhile, the test flight for ZA187 (JL LN125) appears to have been canceled.

[Edited 2013-11-12 11:11:53]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-12 11:27:32 and read 36583 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 63):
Meanwhile, the test flight for ZA187 (JL LN125) appears to have been canceled.

And now it's back again, this time looking less like a C-1 and more like a B-3.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20131112/1500Z/KCHS/KCHS

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-12 12:34:16 and read 36425 times.

LN141/ZA560 rolled out almost 10 days ago. Looking forward to seeing it in paint as it will be a new livery.

ZB001 and ZB002 are in the air at the same time for the first time I think. ZA002 had a couple days off after its first flight. Hopefully it will get up more regularly going forward.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20131112/2000Z/KMWH/KBFI
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131112/1845Z/KBFI/KBFI

Quick question: I have noticed that test aircraft 748s and 787s particularly do an engine run while on the compass rose. I thought the rose was to make sure navigational devices are working and to set true/magnetic north etc. Why do they often do an engine run at the same time? Is that just coincidence? I don't assume the engines being run can interfere with the electronics on the navigational equipment. Thanks in advance.

tortugamon

edit: corrected ZA to ZB. Thank you Karel

[Edited 2013-11-12 13:26:01]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-12 12:45:39 and read 36403 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 65):
ZA001 and ZA002 are in the air at the same time for the first time I think. ZA002 had a couple days off after its first flight. Hopefully it will get up more regularly going forward.

That should be ZB instead of ZA.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 65):
Why do they often do an engine run at the same time? Is that just coincidence?

It's by design I believe, there's a blast wall at that location.

[Edited 2013-11-12 12:46:33]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-12 14:52:47 and read 36053 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 65):
Why do they often do an engine run at the same time? Is that just coincidence? I don't assume the engines being run can interfere with the electronics on the navigational equipment.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 66):
It's by design I believe, there's a blast wall at that location.



Most of the stalls have blast fences, however if the airplane isn't parked at a stall with a blast fence or the winds are too high for an engine run in a stall with a blast fence they can use the compass rose area.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 65):
I thought the rose was to make sure navigational devices are working and to set true/magnetic north etc


They use it to calibrate the standby compass and make out the compass deviation card.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-12 19:26:52 and read 35596 times.

CalPSAFltSkeds, usually very well connected with everything UA, is reporting on another thread that ZA292 (UA LN124) was delivered today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-13 03:13:11 and read 35050 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 67):
Most of the stalls have blast fences, however if the airplane isn't parked at a stall with a blast fence or the winds are too high for an engine run in a stall with a blast fence they can use the compass rose area.

What I meant was, the compass rose area has blast walls too. So it's not odd to me to see an engine run at this location.

http://s21.postimg.org/4ufes659j/Screenshot_from_2013_11_13_12_06_52.png

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-13 08:16:50 and read 34558 times.

ZA650 (DY LN136) scheduled for a Boeing test flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131113/1830Z/KPAE/KPAE

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-13 08:50:42 and read 34463 times.

ZB002 is venturing out of the friendly confines of the PNW and heading to Cali. MHR is an interesting destination of choice.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131113/1530Z/KBFI/KMWH

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-13 10:22:06 and read 34216 times.

ZB021 now has its registration, N789ZB.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400685827950252034

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-13 11:02:55 and read 34080 times.

ZA432 (LN79, B-2729) is scheduled for a B-1 test flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE432

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-13 11:56:30 and read 33860 times.

ZA292 UA#8 delivery flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...4/history/20131113/1400Z/KCHS/KDEN

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-13 12:00:20 and read 33846 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 70):
ZA650 (DY LN136) scheduled for a Boeing test flight.

This flight plan was revised and now looks like a C-1 profile. Now due to leave after noon.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-13 13:39:12 and read 33613 times.

JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400738887116390400

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-11-13 13:52:05 and read 33710 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

Maybe she suffered engine damage on her last flight?

Or somebody forgot the oil filters again.   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2013-11-13 14:15:34 and read 33633 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...90400

Some first-hand info as to what is going on would be nice...  Although it is only us (the air nerds) that seem to care at this point.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-13 14:19:39 and read 33639 times.

Two early birds with an ANA tail in front of the EMC.


Around KPAE 11-12-13 by moonm, on Flickr

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-13 14:32:11 and read 33576 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 77):
Maybe she suffered engine damage on her last flight?


If there was engine damage on the last flight I'm guessing the airplane wouldn't have been delivered, which begs the question was it delivered??? It was at the delivery center and a flight plan was filed but if the paperwork was being completed at the last minute did something crop up that stopped the delivery? Do we have any official information from Boeing that indicates it was delivered?

Is it both engines? If so are they getting replaced with PIP II engines? If both engines are changed it will require a reflight which depending on whether it's a JAL or Boeing call sign will answer the question -- it's either that or wait for the end of the month for Boeing to update their deliveries.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-11-13 14:34:05 and read 33613 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...90400

Maybe JAL wanted to be the recipient of #100 as bad as Boeing wanted to roll out the 787 on 7/8/07.....? Who cares if it's ready to fly. Sign her over, take the photo at the delivery center, then roll her back to the hangar in a day or two. Stranger things have happened, though I don't actually put much faith in my own statement here.

-Dave

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-13 15:05:01 and read 33516 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 81):
Maybe JAL wanted to be the recipient of #100 as bad as Boeing wanted to roll out the 787 on 7/8/07.....? Who cares if it's ready to fly. Sign her over, take the photo at the delivery center, then roll her back to the hangar in a day or two. Stranger things have happened, though I don't actually put much faith in my own statement here.


If it's not "ready to fly" it can't be delivered nor can the customer flights take place. And the customers care about as much as Boeing about "delivery" numbers of a given model unless they relate only to their specific airplanes. Several years ago there was a big PR thing related to the delivery of the 777th 777 to AFA -- it was not the 777th 777 delivered, it was the 777th built (the 775th actually delivered).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-13 15:25:05 and read 33454 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 73):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE432

They ended up taking another HU frame, ZA435 (LN 131), out for a joyride instead:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20131113/2230Z/KPAE/KPAE

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-11-13 15:46:04 and read 33386 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 82):
If it's not "ready to fly" it can't be delivered nor can the customer flights take place.

Sure. I was being somewhat facetious but at the same time it does seem a little bit strange if they took delivery of "#100" but then it never left the delivery center but instead went back to wherever they have it parked now. It is likely something innocuous but nonetheless it seems a bit strange.

Obviously it had flown before. But was it fully ready for delivery? Maybe it just got rushed in the desire by Boeing to have it go to JAL?

How often does a plane get to the delivery center and have a flight plan filed only to then cancel and go back to the hangar?

-Dave

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-13 16:07:15 and read 33315 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 75):
This flight plan was revised and now looks like a C-1 profile. Now due to leave after noon.

And... back to the originally planned short B flight, and airborne.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131113/2000Z/KPAE/KPAE

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-13 20:17:31 and read 32937 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 74):
ZA292 UA#8 delivery flight:

And a new record for CHS. 187 days from entering FAL to delivery. Previous record was 197 days by CC-BBE.
Everett record still held by V8-DLA with 91 days. TUI's OO-JDL looking to challenge that...
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-13 20:45:18 and read 32826 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 86):

Wow, what a difference between CHS and PAE.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-13 21:25:49 and read 32756 times.

When everything is up to speed at 10/month, PAE will be delivering about twice what CHS does, so one would expect at least the FAL days for CHS to be about twice the FAL days for PAE -- the FAL exit to delivery should be about the same however.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-13 22:10:11 and read 32704 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 60):
L/N 141 – A6-??? – ZA560 - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight

First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out:

Quoting United787 (Reply 60):
L/N 137 – OO-JDL – ZA321

OO-JDL doing taxi tests:

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9826a.png

Both photos by Matt Cawby

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400859529123885056

http://kpae.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/paine-field-november-13.html

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-13 23:22:29 and read 32578 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 89):
First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out:

A better photo:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3789/10849998104_2190002295_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10849998104/

Photo by Matt Cawby.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2013-11-14 00:17:09 and read 32458 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 88):
so one would expect at least the FAL days for CHS to be about twice the FAL days for PAE

This work force has a long way to go. Why would anyone in their right mind consider this location as a FAL for another type?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-14 00:34:49 and read 32486 times.

First ANA 787-9 on the surge line.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10850087026/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Apuneger
Posted 2013-11-14 03:26:33 and read 32223 times.

Hi,

Anybody knows when ZA321 (LN137, OO-JDL) will have its first Boeing test flight?

Some sources indicated that its first Boeing test flight would take place last weekend. Unfortunately I didn't get any confirmation of this.

Now it appears it only had its taxi test yesterday...

Based on the latest confirmed information, OO-JDL would be delivered around 25-28th november 2013. However, looking at the current situation, this timing seems a bit too optimistic right now.

Best regards,
Ivan

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-14 05:57:38 and read 31963 times.

Quoting Apuneger (Reply 93):
Anybody knows when ZA321 (LN137, OO-JDL) will have its first Boeing test flight?

Should be today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-14 06:53:05 and read 31876 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 88):
PAE will be delivering about twice what CHS does

Although 6 months between entering final assembly and being delivered may be a record, it certainly isn't an impressive figure. I actually think in the near term that Everett will have to be producing at greater than twice CHS rate as CHS is said to be aiming to produce 3/month in 2014 but total 787 production is said to be 10/month in a just a couple weeks. The surge line really is a great luxury for a new production line.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 92):
First ANA 787-9 on the surge line.

I stared at that photo thinking something was different and I could not put my finger on it. It is indeed a 787-9 and the last one for a number of months until ANZ's comes through at LN169.

Anyone have a guess when a 787-9 will be produced in CHS? I bet they don't introduce any new kernels into their ramp up for a number of years.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-14 08:53:34 and read 31619 times.

ZA650 (DY LN136) up, on what looks like a C-1 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE650

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-11-14 09:08:23 and read 31562 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 90):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 89):
First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out:

A better photo:

Of course you noticed that this had already been to paint, so it is more a symbolic rollout?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-14 10:38:16 and read 31341 times.

ZA560, LN 141 will be A6-PFC.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Apuneger
Posted 2013-11-14 13:35:39 and read 30943 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 94):
Should be today.

Thanks. Just read on Twitter that the frame is airworthy since 2124Z.

Best regards,
Ivan

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-14 13:36:37 and read 30940 times.

ZA327 is flying a strange B-1 profile which means it's not flying a B-1 profile at all. Whass' up wit that?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-14 13:52:43 and read 30902 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 100):
ZA327 is flying a strange B-1 profile which means it's not flying a B-1 profile at all. Whass' up wit that?


Not that strange, most B-1's go to KMWH and back but you can do a B-1 just flying KPAE to KPAE -- it's no big deal. When the flights over we can look at the profile and see if it looks normal minus KMWH.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-14 14:02:41 and read 31072 times.

NYC777, your charts right now are making it look like Charleston needs to get on the 8-ball! Everett now has only one assembled 787 that hasn't flown, except for the ones that rolled out yesterday.

Edit: Spoke too soon! That one remaining airplane, ZA432 (HU LN79) is now in the air.  eyepopping 

Nice to see that one in the air after it sat so long without paint, engines, or interior.

[Edited 2013-11-14 14:34:20]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: MakeMinesLAX
Posted 2013-11-14 18:15:53 and read 30634 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 97):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 90):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 89):
First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out:

A better photo:

Of course you noticed that this had already been to paint, so it is more a symbolic rollout?

When I saw the UAE 787 in the second-to-last position while taking the tour last Friday, I was wondering how it ended up it the middle of the assembly line fully painted. There must have been some juggling with those ahead of it. I imagine the outfitting was a bit more involved than normal, so it probably had to be "inside" a while longer.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-14 18:31:52 and read 30574 times.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 103):
When I saw the UAE 787 in the second-to-last position while taking the tour last Friday, I was wondering how it ended up it the middle of the assembly line fully painted. There must have been some juggling with those ahead of it. I imagine the outfitting was a bit more involved than normal, so it probably had to be "inside" a while longer.


In all likelihood the "outfitting" hasn't even taken place yet. It's probably an "empty" airplane, meaning it has everything but seats just like any other BBJ Boeing turns out. It will spend the next few years at a mod shop where a VIP interior will be put in prior to joining the presidential fleet.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: MakeMinesLAX
Posted 2013-11-14 18:51:29 and read 30506 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 104):
It's probably an "empty" airplane

As explained on the tour, some sort of interior work was being done. The main question, though, is how/why it was painted first and (apparently) placed back in the assembly queue.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-14 19:01:25 and read 30483 times.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 105):
As explained on the tour, some sort of interior work was being done. The main question, though, is how/why it was painted first and (apparently) placed back in the assembly queue.


Probably paint hanger scheduling since it didn't need as many days as most other paint schemes.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-11-14 20:12:12 and read 30336 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 106):
Probably paint hanger scheduling since it didn't need as many days as most other paint schemes.

come on now.. that takes a whole lot online shuffling twice.. probably a full shift lost each time.. did it "roll out" this time from the same line used for body join, or did they switch lines?

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 105):
some sort of interior work was being done.

There is a good chance that the aft half will be a standard interior and seats for hangers on, and only the front half will get a special interior.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-14 20:37:15 and read 30327 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 107):
come on now.. that takes a whole lot online shuffling twice.. probably a full shift lost each time.. did it "roll out" this time from the same line used for body join, or did they switch lines?


Having monitored the factory floor schedules over the years there's a lot more movement going on than one would expect. Pulling two out to get at the third one and restacking happens, generally in the middle of the night when nobody's watching, no big deal.

Quoting kanban (Reply 107):
There is a good chance that the aft half will be a standard interior and seats for hangers on, and only the front half will get a special interior


Even the 777 BBJ's which had "hanger on" seats in back after completion were empty for delivery. I can't remember seeing a VIP interior deliver with partial seats -- most times there are no carpets, sidewalls or bins either.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-11-14 22:56:29 and read 30069 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 108):
Having monitored the factory floor schedules over the years there's a lot more movement going on than one would expect.

Maybe in Everett, but very seldom in Renton.. sometimes the airplane at the door was towed out so the one behind could leave early.. but that was very rare. And never was a plane sent to paint and returned into the line.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-15 00:42:49 and read 29918 times.

Quoting Apuneger (Reply 93):
Anybody knows when ZA321 (LN137, OO-JDL) will have its first Boeing test flight?
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 94):
Should be today.

Here you go:


OO-JDL by Powercube, on Flickr

More pictures can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-15 01:02:34 and read 29897 times.

ZB021 wearing its test registration.


Around KPAE 11-13-13 by moonm, on Flickr

The UAE 787 parked at the fuel dock.


Around KPAE 11-14-13 by moonm, on Flickr

Our poor old LN79 finally on the move.


Around KPAE 11-13-13 by moonm, on Flickr

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-15 09:55:41 and read 29234 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

JA821J engines have been removed.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/401407313065410560

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: CALTECH
Posted 2013-11-15 10:17:08 and read 29156 times.

Seems the 787 APU issues are supposedly getting a fix. No more cool down or start restrictions required. Modified APUs will show up at United soon.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-15 10:47:00 and read 29070 times.

Boeing is now at 10/month on the 787. Please see my blog post.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-15 11:20:05 and read 28946 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
JA821J engines have been removed.

Would think this is an upgrade in progress. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't engines specified via a separate contract from that of the frame (i.e. customer v. engine OEM)? If so, an engine swap would still comport with LN20 being the phantom 100th delivery by Boeing with JAL then possibly specifying to GE that it wanted PIP'ed (not to be confused with PIMPED) or new engines.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 114):
Boeing is now at 10/month on the 787. Please see my blog post.

Great news that it happened early. Sounds like you will continue to be one very busy blogger! Thanks!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-15 11:26:26 and read 28919 times.

There is some movement at the EMC:

> LN5 was pushed inside
> LN13 was put out of storage and is now parked at the EMC
> LN25 was moved to the paint hangar

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/p...OOVE&single=true&gid=2&output=html

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-15 11:34:12 and read 28881 times.

LN 25 is in the paint hanger so it looks like it's ready to fly soon. See my tables for updates as of today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-15 11:35:53 and read 28890 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 116):
> LN25 was moved to the paint hangar

I'm beginning to think LN 28 might have been the bird involved in the hydraulic line incident Matt Cawby reported awhile back. It had been in the EMC quite a long time when LN 26 and LN 25 moved in there, and had sat outside looking almost ready while they finished up the final work on LN 30. But now it's been in for quite some time longer and LN 25 appears to be jumping ahead of it.

Pure speculation, of course.

[Edited 2013-11-15 11:36:08]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-15 11:45:01 and read 28841 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 118):
I'm beginning to think LN 28 might have been the bird involved in the hydraulic line incident Matt Cawby reported awhile back. It had been in the EMC quite a long time when LN 26 and LN 25 moved in there, and had sat outside looking almost ready while they finished up the final work on LN 30. But now it's been in for quite some time longer and LN 25 appears to be jumping ahead of it.

I was thinking the same. LN30 and LN32 went back inside the EMC for 2-3 weeks after paint to finish final touches, but it's been 8 weeks for LN28 now.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-15 11:45:59 and read 28858 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 118):
I'm beginning to think LN 28 might have been the bird involved in the hydraulic line incident Matt Cawby reported awhile back. It had been in the EMC quite a long time when LN 26 and LN 25 moved in there, and had sat outside looking almost ready while they finished up the final work on LN 30. But now it's been in for quite some time longer and LN 25 appears to be jumping ahead of it.

Pure speculation, of course.

If so, then why wasn't LN 26 sent into paint since it started change incorporation earlier than LN 25, unless it was the one that had the isues with the hydraulic line? It is a bit strange but perhaps there are other issues with those particular frames.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-15 11:51:48 and read 28822 times.

ZB021 scheduled for an 3 hour ground engine test.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/401437054669582336

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-15 11:52:27 and read 28822 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 120):
If so, then why wasn't LN 26 sent into paint since it started change incorporation earlier than LN 25, unless it was the one that had the isues with the hydraulic line?

That could certainly also be. 26 and 25 went in fairly close together, so there hasn't been the kind of unexplained delay yet with 26 that has happened in the past few weeks with 28.

It also looks from your latest update like there are no more 787s stored anywhere except on 11-29. Steady progress toward PAE looking less and less like VCV.   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-15 11:55:34 and read 28820 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 120):
If so, then why wasn't LN 26 sent into paint since it started change incorporation earlier than LN 25, unless it was the one that had the isues with the hydraulic line? It is a bit strange but perhaps there are other issues with those particular frames.

It happened before that an older one overtakes a newer one. Let's see if LN26 goes to paint directly after LN25.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-15 18:17:55 and read 28302 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 122):
It also looks from your latest update like there are no more 787s stored anywhere except on 11-29. Steady progress toward PAE looking less and less like VCV.

Except for all the 747s stored there like it was Marana.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-11-15 18:40:24 and read 28257 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 122):

I haven't been checking up on the progress much lately, but does this mean that all the early reworked units are gone...or on their way?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-15 22:06:15 and read 28023 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 125):
I haven't been checking up on the progress much lately, but does this mean that all the early reworked units are gone...or on their way?

Have a look at the charts on NYC777's blog. They will tell you everything you need to know.

8 frames still haven't yet entered change incorporation. The rest are on their way. The process won't be complete until 2015.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-16 03:47:26 and read 27876 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
JA821J engines have been removed.

Picture of the engineless JA821J:

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9847a.png

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-16 04:38:33 and read 27778 times.

ZB002 scheduled for a ferry flight to VPS.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131116/1600Z/KBFI/KVPS

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Apuneger
Posted 2013-11-16 05:52:06 and read 27607 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 110):
Here you go:

Many thanks!

Best regards,
Ivan

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-16 07:24:01 and read 27419 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 126):

I believe that there are now 7 that have yet to enter change incorporation.


tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2013-11-16 09:50:25 and read 27162 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 128):
ZB002 scheduled for a ferry flight to VPS.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../KVPS

Does the Air Force have some sort of environmental testing there?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-16 10:25:59 and read 27072 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 131):
Does the Air Force have some sort of environmental testing there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinley_Climatic_Laboratory

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-16 13:06:16 and read 26787 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 130):
I believe that there are now 7 that have yet to enter change incorporation.

I think you are not counting LN 4.  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-16 13:33:52 and read 26702 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 133):
I think you are not counting LN 4.

Indeed I am not. Its being held at BFI which makes me think it will be involved in further flight testing or Trent Ten certification.

But you are right, it will need to go through change incorporation I am just not sure it will be done before 2015.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-11-16 13:42:30 and read 26687 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 128):
ZB002 scheduled for a ferry flight to VPS.
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 131):
Does the Air Force have some sort of environmental testing there?

As 7BOEING7 noted, it's where Boeing performs their cold weather testing on the 787. The 787-8 also used this facility for cold weather testing.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2013-11-16 14:55:05 and read 26539 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 135):

As 7BOEING7 noted, it's where Boeing performs their cold weather testing on the 787. The 787-8 also used this facility for cold weather testing.

You'd think they could just wait a month or two and fly it to Alaska or extreme northern Canada...   It is nuts that the Air Force has a cold weather testing hangar in, of all places, Florida  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-16 15:02:48 and read 26540 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 136):
u'd think they could just wait a month or two and fly it to Alaska or extreme northern Canada... It is nuts that the Air Force has a cold weather testing hangar in, of all places, Florida


From time to time they do cold wx testing where it's actually cold but for some tests it's much easier and cheaper to do it in the hanger -- you control the temperatures, not mother nature who can be fickle at times.

[Edited 2013-11-16 15:06:53]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-11-16 20:39:14 and read 26157 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 136):
You'd think they could just wait a month or two and fly it to Alaska or extreme northern Canada...   

With the delays to the 787-8, as I recall it wasn't Winter when she was ready for cold weather testing so that is why they used VPS. It may be that for the 787-9, Boeing is again using VPS for commonality (same environment).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7673mech
Posted 2013-11-17 01:32:20 and read 25881 times.

Line 20 was delivered and was at delivery center for the trip home.
GE stopped the flight - apparently they have turbine manufacturing issues.
Not sure if it is limited to certain engines.
I was at PAE taking delivery of a legacy bird - got this info first hand.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-11-17 01:36:05 and read 25870 times.

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 139):
GE stopped the flight - apparently they have turbine manufacturing issues.
Not sure if it is limited to certain engines.

Well there was an issue with the fan shaft on an AI GEnx1B that failed on a 787-8 during a runway test at CHS. And there was an installation issue with a low-pressure turbine stage-one nozzle on the GEnx2B that caused an issue on an Air Bridge Cargo 747-8F departing PVG.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-17 03:14:26 and read 25694 times.

So I missed a lot. Did 821J get stuck inside again?

What about the next NH delivery?

-Z

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-17 05:51:42 and read 25508 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 141):
So I missed a lot. Did 821J get stuck inside again?

Don't worry. you haven't missed anything since you logged in last. JA-821J is still sitting on the flightline, engines off. in the same stall. nothing more. nothing less. A quick look at Matt's blog (http://kpae.blogspot.com/) would have saved you the post

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 141):

A quick perusal of Uresh's spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtfsHdXQ5rl9dFp4b1hETmNQNzN0b2dSUlRNWEFOOVE&single=true&gid=2&output=html) would have saved you the second post. JA-824A is still awaiting first flight in Charleston. that will be followed by painting in texas and then delivery in Charleston. Don't hold your breathe until mid-December at the earliest in HND before you share with us the landing pic.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-17 06:59:06 and read 25370 times.

Qatar Airways # 10 (LN 129 / ZA 469) on its B1 out of Charleston.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE469
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-17 09:31:35 and read 25119 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 143):
Qatar Airways # 10 (LN 129 / ZA 469) on its B1 out of Charleston.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE469
A

Strange that Flightaware didn't send out an alert until after the airplane was in the air. At least they didn't send it to me even though I'm a subscriber!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-18 02:38:24 and read 24277 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 144):
Strange that Flightaware didn't send out an alert until after the airplane was in the air. At least they didn't send it to me even though I'm a subscriber!

I think flightaware is having technical problems. A majority of the commercial 787 flights have disappeared from flightaware in the last 24 hours while still appearing on flightradar.
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-18 05:37:02 and read 23980 times.

B-2737 (China Southern) just filed what looks to be a B-8 flight rather than a C-1 (unless its a C-2?!?)
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE386
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2013-11-18 06:16:34 and read 23880 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 136):

The wait is over. They could do their cold weather testing anywhere in western Canadia right now...darnit. Where I am, we'll have a low of -24c tonight....-31c tomorrow.

[Edited 2013-11-18 06:19:55]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: United787
Posted 2013-11-18 06:50:57 and read 23786 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 102 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-23; JL-11; AI-9; QR-9; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; CZ-5; BY-4; BA-4; HU-3; AM-3; DY-2; BI-2; JQ-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – 11/4/2013 - AI #10
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/5/2013 - JL #12
L/N 85 - B–2730 – 11/8/2013 - HU #4
L/N 124 - N27908 – 11/12/2013 - UA #8

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 36 - B-2726 – ZA381 - CZ #6
L/N 136 - EI-LNC – ZA650 - DY #3
L/N 125 – JA833J – ZA187 - JL #13 (Charleston)
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – ZA216 - JQ #2
L/N 137 – OO-JDL – ZA321 - TB #1
L/N 104 - B-2737 – ZA386 - CZ #7 (Charleston)
L/N 131 - B-2731 – ZA435 - HU #5
L/N 119 - B-2735 – ZA387 - CZ #8 (Charleston)
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – ZA234 - AI #11
L/N 79 - B-2729 – ZA432 - HU #6
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – ZA469 - QR #10 (Charleston)
L/N 132 - JA824A – ZA515 - NH #24 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 135 - N26909 – ZA293 - UA #9 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 141 – A6-PFC – ZA560 - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 142 – VH-VKD –ZA217 - JQ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 25 - VT-ANA – ZA230 - AI #12 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-18 10:50:39 and read 23346 times.

JA821J has been fitted with engines again.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402496096896688128

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-18 12:15:41 and read 23125 times.

Never mind! Flightaware is broken.

[Edited 2013-11-18 12:17:12]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-18 14:21:44 and read 22857 times.

Exciting news from Matt C:

"Flight crew doing a B1 preflight on 787-9 N789ZB"
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402560743045746689

I was not expecting that for another week or so. The test program must go pretty quickly when you have three aircraft in the air.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-18 15:01:53 and read 22949 times.

False alarm, looks like it is just a taxi test.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-18 16:33:56 and read 22758 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 151):
Exciting news from Matt C:

"Flight crew doing a B1 preflight on 787-9 N789ZB"
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402560743045746689

I was not expecting that for another week or so. The test program must go pretty quickly when you have three aircraft in the air.
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 151):
False alarm, looks like it is just a taxi test.


The B-1 preflight gets done before the taxi test -- the reason they may not have filed a flight plan/gone flying today is the wx was below "minimums". If the airplane is ok and the wx is better tomorrow it should get airborne.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-18 20:05:06 and read 22408 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 153):
If the airplane is ok and the wx is better tomorrow it should get airborne.

Looking forward to it.

ZB001 made it out and Sabian got a great photo on takeoff:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/10919185585/

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-19 06:36:21 and read 21898 times.

First flight of the 3rd 789 test aircraft (BOE 21 / LN 139 / N789ZB) has been filed for this morning.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE789
Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-19 11:25:58 and read 21492 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 155):

Matt C has indicated that the new flight time is 20:00 Zulu. So approximately 35 minutes from now. I assume it is still all white? Kinda thought they would have added a pinstrip and a Boeing logo or something. Hope there are spotters for some photos.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-19 11:59:20 and read 21405 times.

...and she is now taxiing. Matt C has a picture:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402887188062281728/photo/1

tortugamon

edit: All white! The ghost plane.

[Edited 2013-11-19 11:59:52]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-19 12:18:07 and read 21340 times.

Not a great screen grab, but she's up and away....



[Edited 2013-11-19 12:19:23]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: United787
Posted 2013-11-19 12:23:50 and read 21314 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 155):
First flight of the 3rd 789 test aircraft (BOE 21 / LN 139 / N789ZB) has been filed for this morning.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE789
Cheers
A

In the air now!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-19 13:13:00 and read 21164 times.

QR ZA469 (LN129) up on a B-2.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-19 15:06:16 and read 20945 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 160):
QR ZA469 (LN129) up on a B-2.


Actually this would be classified a FERRY flight not a B-2. Like paint flights from PAE to PDX these flights are probably being done under a "ferry permit" (which would not necessarily allow any production testing) and not a "production ticket", depending on what the agreement is with the FAA.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-19 15:17:16 and read 20897 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 161):
Actually this would be classified a FERRY flight not a B-2.

Thanks. I overlooked that this was a flight to FTW.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: iahcsr
Posted 2013-11-19 15:32:57 and read 20861 times.

Question: How are Line Numbers being assigned/determined between Everett and Charleston?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-11-19 17:44:46 and read 20650 times.

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 163):
Question: How are Line Numbers being assigned/determined between Everett and Charleston?

Generally the line numbers are assigned long before the decision is made as to which plant or line.. then they are divvied up generally on 3 in Everett 1 to Charleston (or so) basis.. 737 line numbers are more interesting with up to 3 lines going (plus the new 4th) two will run at the same rate, the P-8 is slower, and the MAX will initially be somewhere in between.

line numbers at contractors are straight sequential unless there is a split responsibility where two contractors are supplying the same assembly.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2013-11-20 00:11:47 and read 20233 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 164):
737 line numbers are more interesting with up to 3 lines going (plus the new 4th) two will run at the same rate, the P-8 is slower, and the MAX will initially be somewhere in between.

At the risk of dragging this off topic, I'm not sure the 4th (Max) line will be somewhere in between since it is only 2 positions and not a full line.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-20 01:20:21 and read 20145 times.

Here's a picture of ZB021:



A high-res version is available at:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-11-...oeing-Flies-Third-787-9-Dreamliner

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2013-11-20 01:28:30 and read 20092 times.

Love that shot/angle of the 789, looks like a 757 on steroids from that angle and that's got to be a good thing !

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-20 02:11:08 and read 20025 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 166):

A high-res version is available at:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-11-...oeing-Flies-Third-787-9-Dreamliner

High res version also available here:

http://paineairport.com/images/K66016.jpg

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-20 02:39:06 and read 19966 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 148):
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/5/2013 - JL #12

Still hasnt departed PAE....I'd make special note of that.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-20 02:41:31 and read 19978 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 169):
Still hasnt departed PAE....I'd make special note of that.

Meanwhile you can watch the arrival of NCA's latest 747-8F.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...5/history/20131120/1430Z/KPAE/RJAA

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-11-20 07:41:52 and read 19599 times.

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 165):
At the risk of dragging this off topic, I'm not sure the 4th (Max) line will be somewhere in between since it is only 2 positions and not a full line.

The 737MAX line will be adjacent to the current 737 assembly line #1 and will have the same 7 stations as line #1. 737 assembly line 2 is being extended with one more position at a right-angle to the line.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-20 07:47:41 and read 19590 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 170):
Meanwhile you can watch the arrival of NCA's latest 747-8F.

Wish i could- I have an economics exam   


it's about time another 748 was delivered here  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-20 10:42:09 and read 19245 times.

ZA432 (HU LN79) scheduled for a B-3.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131120/1830Z/KPAE/KPAE

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2013-11-20 10:49:00 and read 19230 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 171):
The 737MAX line will be adjacent to the current 737 assembly line #1 and will have the same 7 stations as line #1.

I don't believe this is correct, but can't find anything to prove this. Can you point to anything which says it will be a full line?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-20 11:05:45 and read 19179 times.

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 174):
I don't believe this is correct, but can't find anything to prove this. Can you point to anything which says it will be a full line?

I too recall Boeing saying it will be a full line, and the mockup suggests the same.

http://s21.postimg.org/vq71s6g3r/B737_Future_View_e300.jpg

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-20 12:00:16 and read 19023 times.

Cool picture!

Respectfully submitting that, as Dynamicsguy feared, we are off topic by plane, production method and factory location. Might this be worthy of a new thread?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-11-20 12:57:00 and read 19074 times.

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 174):
I don't believe this is correct, but can't find anything to prove this. Can you point to anything which says it will be a full line?

A graphic of the new Renton plant configuration posted in The Seattle Times.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 176):
Respectfully submitting that, as Dynamicsguy feared, we are off topic by plane, production method and factory location. Might this be worthy of a new thread?

It wouldn't be an a.net thread if we did not have more tangents than a Geometry class, but I get your point. For those interested, there were a number of threads that discussed the 737 MAX FAL that should come up in a search.

[Edited 2013-11-20 13:00:38]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-20 13:03:29 and read 18990 times.

Can we get back to our regularly scheduled program?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: united787
Posted 2013-11-20 14:25:07 and read 18808 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 178):
Can we get back to our regularly scheduled program?

If there was something exciting happening on the program...aka deliveries!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: aklrno
Posted 2013-11-20 14:39:50 and read 18789 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 178):

Can we get back to our regularly scheduled program?

I thought Boeing was having an early black Friday sale, all 787's marked down to 737.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-20 14:40:48 and read 18829 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 178):
Can we get back to our regularly scheduled program?

Of additional test flights of aircraft that appeared ready for delivery? Sure thing! (ZA381, CZ LN36)

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20131120/2200Z/KPAE/KPAE

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-11-21 11:25:05 and read 17890 times.

Matt Cawby has tweeted that JA821J (LN20) is at the Everett Delivery Center again.

With new engines, wouldn't it fly a FCF or two prior to its delivery flight?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7673mech
Posted 2013-11-21 12:41:52 and read 17670 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 169):
Still hasnt departed PAE....I'd make special note of that.

Why - the just completed putting the reworked engines on yesterday. Engine runs last night.
What special note?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7673mech
Posted 2013-11-21 12:46:04 and read 17659 times.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 182):
With new engines, wouldn't it fly a FCF or two prior to its delivery flight?

It is delivered - so JAL would have to do the flying.
They may just do a verification for the first hours of the flight home and if all looks good press on.
Or they can do an FCF - top off the tanks and press on.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-21 13:11:19 and read 17543 times.

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 184):
It is delivered - so JAL would have to do the flying.
They may just do a verification for the first hours of the flight home and if all looks good press on.
Or they can do an FCF - top off the tanks and press on.


  
We'll know for sure when we see the flight plan.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-21 14:13:46 and read 17420 times.

Here is the flight plan for JA821J:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...1/history/20131121/2300Z/KPAE/RJAA

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-22 01:15:23 and read 16802 times.

LN5 was pushed out of the EMC:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10990198073/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-22 12:28:57 and read 16128 times.

Rumor is on the street that Lufthansa Technik has signed its 1st 787 VIP conversion deal.

http://twitter.com/MROreporter/status/403930711976980480

This deal might be for UAE LN141.


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Photo © Bernie Leighton



[Edited 2013-11-22 12:38:54]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-23 08:07:57 and read 15219 times.

Lots of 787 activity:

ZB002 is coming home to BFI:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE2

ZA435 looks to be making its C-1 flight I think:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE435

And ZA004 is looking to fly again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE4

Add ZA650 to that. Norwegian needs this aircraft soon as it's starting a new route on Nov. 29th (forgot which route it was though):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE650

[Edited 2013-11-23 08:23:36]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-23 09:17:35 and read 15035 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 189):
ZA435 looks to be making its C-1 flight I think:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE435


It's flying a "B" flight first and a C-1 later if it goes ok.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 189):
Add ZA650 to that. Norwegian needs this aircraft soon as it's starting a new route on Nov. 29th (forgot which route it was though):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE650


Assuming a C-1 was flown on the 14th this should be a C-2 and hopefully last flight prior to delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Ronaldo747
Posted 2013-11-23 11:10:13 and read 14829 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 155):
First flight of the 3rd 789 test aircraft (BOE 21 / LN 139 / N789ZB) has been filed for this morning.

The blog of Puget Sound - Boeing Test Flights suggests that this aircraft is assigned to Japan Airlines.

http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....-b787-9-boeing-japan-airlines.html

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-23 12:32:26 and read 14655 times.

HNA ZA435 (131) off on its C-1:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE435

TUI ZA327 (137) filed for a B-2:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20131123/2030Z/KPAE/KPAE

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-23 13:54:49 and read 14491 times.

Looks like all three 787-9s flew today. The flight hours for certification should be falling off pretty quickly. They should be about 20% finished at this point.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-23 14:47:08 and read 14349 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 193):
Looks like all three 787-9s flew today. The flight hours for certification should be falling off pretty quickly. They should be about 20% finished at this point.

No only 2. ZB1 and ZB2.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-11-23 14:57:11 and read 14323 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 194):

Flight aware had #593 as a 787-9 today. Thought it was ZB021

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: catdaddy63
Posted 2013-11-23 14:58:01 and read 14344 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 193):
Looks like all three 787-9s flew today.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 194):
No only 2. ZB1 and ZB2.

Agree that 2 flew, the 789 flight plan from MWH to BFI was likely a 739 that originated from RNT. Type was probably mistyped into the flightplan.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE593

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-23 14:59:24 and read 14341 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 195):
Flight aware had #593 as a 787-9 today. Thought it was ZB021

I believe that's a B737.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-11-23 15:12:28 and read 14338 times.

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 196):
Agree that 2 flew, the 789 flight plan from MWH to BFI was likely a 739 that originated from RNT. Type was probably mistyped into the flightplan.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE593
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 197):
I believe that's a B737.

  

There aren't any 787s at RNT only at BFI for test flights and PAE for assembly and delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7673mech
Posted 2013-11-23 18:50:42 and read 14006 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 190):
Assuming a C-1 was flown on the 14th this should be a C-2 and hopefully last flight prior to delivery.

It was to do an FCF, then C2.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-23 19:13:44 and read 13971 times.

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 199):
It was to do an FCF, then C2


Based on the time between flights and the fact it was an FCF would suggest there were some real issues either during the C-1 or more likely afterward -- electrical????

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-24 09:11:14 and read 13335 times.

NOR ZA650 (136) filed for hopefully the C-2:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE650

TUI ZA327 (137) filed for a B-3:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE327

HNA ZA432 (79) filed for a C-1:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE432

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7673mech
Posted 2013-11-24 11:02:03 and read 13347 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 200):
Based on the time between flights and the fact it was an FCF would suggest there were some real issues either during the C-1 or more likely afterward -- electrical????

My sources asked me not to give details, but there was an NOE that required rework.
A lot of the flights in the coming days will be FCF first.
C2 was initially planned for earlier in the week but the NOE delayed it.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-24 11:37:42 and read 13190 times.

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 202):
My sources asked me not to give details, but there was an NOE that required rework.


Thanks

AIN ZA234 (30) flying on a C-1:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE234

Looks like TUI ZA327 (137) is delayed/cancelled for today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: sonomaflyer
Posted 2013-11-24 11:43:36 and read 13169 times.

Can we convert a couple of terms to English please?

FCF=?
NOE=?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-24 12:29:12 and read 13075 times.

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 204):
FCF=?
NOE=?



FCF -- Functional Check Flight. Used at the Boeing Company to define a flight that is required after "B" flights have been completed (FAA accepted) and/or "C" flights have been flown and a major modification is done to the flight control, electrical, engine systems, etc. that require a Boeing flight prior to a customer flight. This could be due to an NOE, a dual engine change (prior to delivery) or a primary flight control change. An airplane that doesn't fly a customer flight until at least 30+/- days after the last Boeing flight also gets an FCF.

NOE -- Notice of Emergence? Comes from supplier indicating an issue with a part that needs to changed/checked.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2013-11-24 12:39:08 and read 13029 times.

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 204):
Can we convert a couple of terms to English please?

and a couple more for the uninitiated....... "B" and "C"

Thanks

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-11-24 13:06:44 and read 12965 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 206):
and a couple more for the uninitiated....... "B" and "C"

"B" are Boeing flights to test functionality of the airframe after assembly and change incorporation. Once these functionality check flights are done, the next stage are "C" - Customer Acceptance - flights. Any issues - "squawks" -- the customer finds will be corrected and then another "C" flight will be flown to verify.

Once the customer is happy after their "C" flights, they take delivery of the airframe and fly it away.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-24 13:40:57 and read 12865 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 203):
Looks like TUI ZA327 (137) is delayed/cancelled for today.

Switched to a C-1:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE327

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-24 13:52:50 and read 12842 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 207):
"B" are Boeing flights to test functionality of the airframe after assembly and change incorporation. Once these functionality check flights are done, the next stage are "C" - Customer Acceptance - flights. Any issues - "squawks" -- the customer finds will be corrected and then another "C" flight will be flown to verify.

Once the customer is happy after their "C" flights, they take delivery of the airframe and fly it away.


During the B-1 flight, checks are performed per requirements agreed upon between the Boeing Company and the FAA -- a "B-1 profile". Subsequent B flights are performed until any squawks from the B-1 flight are cleared. When all checks are completed satisfactorily the airplane is "bought FAA" allowing it to be ticketed -- after the "FAA buy" the customer flight can then take place -- generally very similar to the B-1 profile.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-24 14:22:32 and read 12775 times.

So a busy day today at PAE!

ZA234 (AI LN30), ZA432 (HU LN79), and ZA327 (TB LN137) all flew C-1s.

ZA650 (DY LN136) flew a C-2.

That brings us to eight airplanes that have apparently flown customer flights but are not yet delivered:

ZA234 (AI LN30)
ZA381 (CZ LN36)
ZA432 (HU LN79)
ZA386 (CZ LN104)
ZA187 (JL LN125)
ZA435 (HU LN131)
ZA650 (DY LN136)
ZA327 (TB LN137)

I particularly wonder what's going on with CZ. Both of its birds have been waiting a long time for delivery, and I don't think there are any more government holdups.

[Edited 2013-11-24 14:27:10]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-24 15:07:41 and read 12624 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 210):
particularly wonder what's going on with CZ. Both of its birds have been waiting a long time for delivery, and I don't think there are any more government holdups.


Neither GUN ZA381 (36) or ZA386 (104) have had a C-1 flight yet. JAL ZA187 (125) completed their C-1 last Monday but may be held up by the previously mentioned NOE. All the rest should be ready for delivery as soon as their C flights are complete.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-24 17:17:42 and read 12385 times.

Did ZA432 ever make it back to PAE? I don't see it on flightaware.

[Edited 2013-11-24 17:18:18]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-25 00:47:21 and read 11879 times.

The ANA 787-9 (ZB197) was moved to the 40-26 building.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/11045583636/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-25 05:08:11 and read 11548 times.

ANA ZA515 scheduled for a B1 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20131125/1315Z/KCHS/KCHS

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-25 07:37:01 and read 11239 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 214):
ANA ZA515 scheduled for a B1 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../KCHS

Timed out but we've seen this before where it's timed out and then it would reappear later in the day and actually fly.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-25 08:04:56 and read 11168 times.

Looks like ZA216 is going out on a C-1 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE216

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-11-25 08:10:35 and read 11154 times.

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 216):
Looks like ZA216 is going out on a C-1 flight.

Has it been reregistered to its Qantas registration (VH-VKB) yet? It was wearing a Boeing registration and an "Experimental" tag for all of its flights earlier this month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-25 08:13:29 and read 11144 times.

Looks like ZA560 is on deck for it's B-1 today, out bound is listed as 260 and return from Moses Lake is listed as 560, a case of fat fingers no doubt:


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE560

Now it's listed under BOE560

[Edited 2013-11-25 08:29:46]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-25 14:25:54 and read 10512 times.

ZA560 took off on it's B-1 but was back on the ground within 30 minutes, they must have experienced an inflight fault. Should be back up in the next day or 2. ZA234 is going up on another test flight this afternoon:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE234

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-25 15:09:39 and read 10382 times.

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 219):
ZA234 is going up on another test flight this afternoon:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE234

C-2.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2013-11-25 15:17:48 and read 10353 times.

I see that it was agreed in the 747-8 topic to post line numbers instead of these "Z" codes since it makes for much easier reading by peope not in the know. Can the same be done here?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-25 20:22:02 and read 9925 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 217):
Has it been reregistered to its Qantas registration (VH-VKB) yet?

Confirmed. See picture of VH-VKB returning from its C1.
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9897a.png
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-11-25 22:01:24 and read 9730 times.

A6-PFC returning from its first flight, Photo by Matt Cawby:

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9892a.png

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-26 01:46:11 and read 9447 times.

Another early bird finished change incorporation?

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/405233588926312448

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: wjcandee
Posted 2013-11-26 02:13:39 and read 9398 times.

For the poster who asked for some acronym definitions:

NOE = Notice of Escapement

Typical contracts require the supplier to provide a written notification of nonconformities that may have affected parts or services delivered to Boeing within a specified number of hours after the supplier discovers them. Typically, such a notice will include a concise description of the discrepancy, as well as part number, purchase order number, quantity and the date the parts were delivered.

So, when they say the aircraft was pulled back because of an NOE, they are saying that a supplier notified Boeing that one or more installed parts was believed to be nonconforming.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-26 06:07:35 and read 9041 times.

ZA187 on a final customer run?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE187

And ZB002 out again today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE002

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-26 09:37:09 and read 8821 times.

Busy 787 flight day to day.

All three 787-9 flight test airframes are flying today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE001
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE002
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE789

Additionally ZA515 is trying again to make its B-1 flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE515

And a couple more 787-8 are doing follow on customer flights it appears:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE435 - Hainan ZA435
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE650 - Norwegian ZA650

ZA187 was supposed to fly earlier this morning but it timed out. It yet still may fly later on but weather is going to be horrendous today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: united787
Posted 2013-11-26 09:45:34 and read 8783 times.

All of these extra B and C flights makes me thinks that this month will end up a lot like last month and a handful of deliveries that they are trying to get done in November will carry over until December. With all of the obvious QC issues Boeing has had with the 787, it appears as though the customers are being extra careful to ensure everything is perfect and not rushed. Sometimes I think Boeing has learned with all of the extra B flights, but it appears as though they are still ramping up to rush out many of these birds at the end of each month. I understand the motive to meet numbers every month but I wonder why Boeing works in this way. I can't think it is efficient or good business, IMHO.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-26 10:15:51 and read 8653 times.

ZA187 may have cancelled due to storms in the Charleston area.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-26 12:43:05 and read 8330 times.

ZA560 is going to try again this afternoon to complete the B-1 tasks from yesterday:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE560

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-11-26 13:17:08 and read 8211 times.

Quoting united787 (Reply 228):
Sometimes I think Boeing has learned with all of the extra B flights, but it appears as though they are still ramping up to rush out many of these birds at the end of each month.


Of the six airplanes we're talking about, three had EWA (engineering) flights and at least two were involved with the NOE. Without those extra flights all four would have been ready for delivery last week. It's just what happens and it isn't limited to the 787 or even Boeing -- this is aviation.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-26 13:27:40 and read 8158 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 231):
Of the six airplanes we're talking about, three had EWA (engineering) flights and at least two were involved with the NOE. Without those extra flights all four would have been ready for delivery last week. It's just what happens and it isn't limited to the 787 or even Boeing -- this is aviation.

Well they all should be set up just fine for delivery this week or early next week.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-26 13:29:27 and read 8164 times.

LN5 is taped-up, ready for storage.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaBpBGXCIAALOC6.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/405439434343972866

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 227):
All three 787-9 flight test airframes are flying today:

Here they are at BFI:

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/405438295263285248

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 118):
I'm beginning to think LN 28 might have been the bird involved in the hydraulic line incident Matt Cawby reported awhile back.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 119):
it's been 8 weeks for LN28 now.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
It happened before that an older one overtakes a newer one. Let's see if LN26 goes to paint directly after LN25.

As expected, LN26 now emerged from the EMC.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/405388835875340288

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-26 14:03:11 and read 8056 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 233):
As expected, LN26 now emerged from the EMC.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...40288

Yes but ZA230 (LN 25, VT-ANA) has returned to the EMC. I guess they weren't completely finished with her.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-26 14:10:35 and read 8030 times.

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 234):
Yes but ZA230 (LN 25, VT-ANA) has returned to the EMC. I guess they weren't completely finished with her.

It might follow the same path as LN30 and a few others (EMC -> paint hangar -> EMC again -> roll out). If so, LN26 might do the same.

[Edited 2013-11-26 14:12:07]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-27 00:19:53 and read 7355 times.

Did that stupid JL plane (821) make it to Japan yet?!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-27 00:28:21 and read 7339 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 236):
Did that stupid JL plane (821) make it to Japan yet?!

It did, on November 21:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...1/history/20131121/2300Z/KPAE/RJAA

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7673mech
Posted 2013-11-27 00:29:36 and read 7342 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 236):
Did that stupid JL plane (821) make it to Japan yet?!

Late last week.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-27 00:41:23 and read 7349 times.

Here's a good shot of LN25:


Around KPAE 11-25-13 by moonm, on Flickr

And here is LN26 at the fuel dock:


Around KPAE 11-25-13 by moonm, on Flickr

LN25 and LN26 family shot:


Around KPAE 11-25-13 by moonm, on Flickr

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-27 06:51:35 and read 6957 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 237):
It did, on November 21:
Quoting 7673mech (Reply 238):
Late last week.

About damn time. Has she had any flights since the delivery flight?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-27 06:57:13 and read 6939 times.

Not yet http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ja821j

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-11-27 06:57:46 and read 6946 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 240):
Has she had any flights since the delivery flight?

you can follow its flight history here:
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ja821j

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-11-27 08:47:03 and read 6660 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 241):
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 242):

I know of both sites but I cant use them recently because of internet connectivity trouble

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: nyc777
Posted 2013-11-27 10:40:22 and read 6361 times.

Looks like ZA650 for Norwegian is being delivered today. Matt Cawby spotted it at the Everett Delivery Center.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: 7673mech
Posted 2013-11-27 11:25:06 and read 6205 times.

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 244):


Looks like ZA650 for Norwegian is being delivered today. Matt Cawby spotted it at the Everett Delivery Center.

It was delivered yesterday and will fly away today.

Curious if it will go straight home or stop off for tail paint.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-27 12:15:22 and read 6035 times.

LN4 scheduled for another check flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131127/1900Z/KBFI/KBFI

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-11-27 13:43:36 and read 5759 times.

Norwegian EI-LNC delivery flight:

http://fr24.com/NLH1A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23
Username: SA7700
Posted 2013-11-27 14:19:22 and read 5782 times.

Part 23 has become quite long and will be locked for further discussion. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Feel free to continue your discussion in part 24 which can be found here:

787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 24 (by SA7700 Nov 27 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Regards,

SA7700


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