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Topic: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jetblueguy22
Posted 2014-03-19 18:19:54 and read 75391 times.

Due to length part 37 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 38:


MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32 (by ManuCH Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 34 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 35 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37 (by SA7700 Mar 19 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

Flight MH370: New timeline casts doubt on pilot deception theory

MISSING MH370: ACARS cannot be disabled

MISSING MH370: Search for missing aircraft above politics: Hishamuddin


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Pat

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2014-03-19 18:22:18 and read 75570 times.

A glimmer of Hope!!

http://www.emirates247.com/news/stud...0-on-satellite-2014-03-19-1.542241

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gulfstream650
Posted 2014-03-19 18:24:33 and read 75443 times.

Was just pondering:

Does Diego Garcia have a mobile phone/cellphone network. If not might explain why no passengers have been able to make contact............

(if that particular theory were true)

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: N328KF
Posted 2014-03-19 18:25:41 and read 75458 times.

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 2):
Was just pondering:

Does Diego Garcia have a mobile phone/cellphone network. If not might explain why no passengers have been able to make contact............

(if that particular theory were true)

Good lord...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2014-03-19 18:29:12 and read 75329 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
A glimmer of Hope!!

http://www.emirates247.com/news/stud...0-on-satellite-2014-03-19-1.542241

1. We've already talked about that pic a few threads ago.
2. It doesn't look like a 777.
3. It is probably a plane in flight.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Lindenwold
Posted 2014-03-19 18:31:02 and read 75177 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):

3 or 4 days old.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: 777Jet
Posted 2014-03-19 18:35:37 and read 75089 times.

From mercure1 in the last thread:

"The latest bloomberg article has the following: "The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air."

Based on my own calculations, this would give it apprx 8hrs (480min) total range for this aircrafts vintage, climbing and then flying along at M.84/485TAS @ Opt FLs.
TOW 223.5t
ZFW ~ 174.4t (payload ~25.4t)
OFF fuel 49.1t

The 777-200ER T892 will burn apprx 6.1t per hour on avg, at those wts and FLs.

VAMPI would likely be reach 82min after takeoff, via the DCT PIBOS R208 IGARI DCT VAMPI routing.
398min (6.6hrs) range from VAMPI @ 485KTAS = 3217nm . Heck thats almost to the Kerguelen Islands."



@ mercure1 - If correct, that is the info some of us have been waiting for! It is just amazing how long it took to release it as it would have been easy to access for MAS.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gulfstream650
Posted 2014-03-19 18:49:42 and read 74510 times.

Breaking: India has just been given specific coordinates to search by Malaysia.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Lindenwold
Posted 2014-03-19 18:56:53 and read 74184 times.

This Pakistan thing just won't quit.

Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m
@ryangrannand My primary DHS source says that they have a briefing indicating DoD has reason to believe #MH370 “could’ve landed in Pakistan”

What if?!?!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2014-03-19 18:59:17 and read 74034 times.

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 8):
What if?!?!

In the absence of negative evidence...

Any possible theory is going to be investigated, especially by the US, which obviously has reason to investigate such implausible theories. 9/11 was pretty implausible before it happened too.

(Again, this is not to say I think this theory is true. But I understand why it's being treated seriously.)

[Edited 2014-03-19 19:02:15]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 19:03:39 and read 73828 times.

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 8):
Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m
@ryangrannand My primary DHS source says that they have a briefing indicating DoD has reason to believe #MH370 “could’ve landed in Pakistan”

This guy is an absolute tool. I wish people would stop giving him hits. That is all he is after, terrible reporting is a far second.

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 2):

Was just pondering:

Does Diego Garcia have a mobile phone/cellphone network. If not might explain why no passengers have been able to make contact............

(if that particular theory were true)

Couldn't tell you, but it is home to thousands of US Navy/Air Force personnel. I'm guessing that someone would have a pretty good idea if MH370 landed on the only airfield, which, by the way, is also controlled by the military. Can we please put Diego Garcia to rest? It's more ridiculous than #370 in Pakistan.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: CaliAtenza
Posted 2014-03-19 19:04:09 and read 73683 times.

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 8):
Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m
@ryangrannand My primary DHS source says that they have a briefing indicating DoD has reason to believe #MH370 “could’ve landed in Pakistan”

What if?!?!

yeah and if it turns out to be true...then what?! I'm telling you guys, FWF has been ahead of others for a while now. Its the same thing the retired General said on Faux News last night.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: dragon6172
Posted 2014-03-19 19:04:39 and read 73692 times.

From the previous thread:

Quoting Shmendr:
Finally, does the US DOD show the current position of its aircraft carriers?


As has been said... no the DoD does not advertise the exact positions. However, this website usually is kept up to date and is accurate. Looks like the closest carrier would be the Truman in the Arabian Sea.


http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: dampfnudel
Posted 2014-03-19 19:10:05 and read 73332 times.

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 7):
Breaking: India has just been given specific coordinates to search by Malaysia.

I'm curious if it's in the Bay of Bengal or on land. On an additional note, I've played every Flight Simulator game since Flight Simulator 2 on my Commodore 64 when I was a kid (aging myself here). The only time I ever deleted anything was when I deleted the whole program so I could install a newer version. I don't believe hard drive space was the reason for the deletion of those specific routes he tried. Maybe it could've been some "house-cleaning" for improved performance of FSX, but I'm just guessing there. I just know I never deleted any routes I tried, either through the program itself or manually going into the Flight Simulator folder to delete them.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: CaliAtenza
Posted 2014-03-19 19:10:08 and read 73336 times.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 10):
This guy is an absolute tool. I wish people would stop giving him hits. That is all he is after, terrible reporting is a far second.

an absolute tool that so far, has been pretty right in what has come up in the media days later. He isn't just making up stuff from what i can tell now.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2014-03-19 19:18:02 and read 72892 times.

What is with this flying with fish worship? Jesus. Maying these forums unreadable. He has been about as useful as a nun's tits.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: flyenthu
Posted 2014-03-19 19:18:33 and read 72856 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
A glimmer of Hope!!

Not an MAS aircraft.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 19:20:28 and read 72741 times.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 14):
an absolute tool that so far, has been pretty right in what has come up in the media days later. He isn't just making up stuff from what i can tell now.

Never said he made anything up, but what makes what he is tweeting "pretty right?" Is that what we are aiming for these days? If he tweets enough crap, he will eventually be right. On the other hand, how do you know that he has broken stories before every other media outlet?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: 65mustang
Posted 2014-03-19 19:23:19 and read 72627 times.

Quoting dampfnudel (Reply 13):

Do you recognize the airport on the screen of the pilots simulator shown in this photo?

http://www.x-sim.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20&start=110#p3972

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 19:23:53 and read 72610 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
A glimmer of Hope!!

http://www.emirates247.com/news/stud...0-on-satellite-2014-03-19-1.542241

Was posted in one of the early threads. Definitely not a 777 and said plane is in flight. If this plane had crashed, it would be broken into pieces and would not be laying on top of trees.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2014-03-19 19:32:08 and read 72117 times.

Quoting 65mustang (Reply 18):

Do you recognize the airport on the screen of the pilots simulator shown in this photo?

Looks like AMS to me.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2014-03-19 19:33:53 and read 72118 times.

Quoting dampfnudel (Reply 13):
On an additional note, I've played every Flight Simulator game since Flight Simulator 2 on my Commodore 64 when I was a kid (aging myself here). The only time I ever deleted anything was when I deleted the whole program so I could install a newer version.

It depends on how you play. If you're heavily into modding (installing realistic flight traffic or scenery, for example), you would delete a *ton* of stuff, because a lot of things conflict, and when you install something new, you often have to delete something old. Sometimes the only thing you can do is pretty much delete everything and start over. I've learned with FS9 and FSX to save *all* of my downloaded files in case I ever need them again (which I often do) and the original downloads are not available anymore (a lot of FS web sites have been disappearing over time). That's because I often have to start fresh with the newest stuff.

I personally believe this to have been a deliberate act by somebody, but I also believe this focus on the captain's FS fandom is a dead end. I don't know exactly what they say he deleted, but I've been reading and watching media reports about this that are just ridiculous. One report I read said "Flight Simulator programs typically record a replay of each flight" - my FSX never did this, you have to turn it on. Could they be thinking he deleted something because he just never turned it on? I saw another TV report that asked "Who actually has a flight simulator IN THEIR HOUSE?" Ummm, lots of people. It's called a computer, running one of the most popular games of all time going back almost 30 years. Several others have said the captain had a "custom flight simulator" - no he didn't, he had a computer with multiple monitors. Again, not uncommon. Are most web designers potential terrorists too?

To me it sounds a lot like when people say a guy who shoots a bunch of people with an assault rifle liked to play "Doom". Yeah, so what? Lots of people like to play "Doom" (or did, like 20 years ago). That's not what makes a person go and kill a bunch of people. The media and law enforcement, in the absence of any other new evidence, are just looking for anything even slightly outside the mainstream to blame this on.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: KLASM83
Posted 2014-03-19 19:54:16 and read 71061 times.

Having done my best to read all 38 threads, and having seen all that the news stations have to say, I shall let Frank Conniff, known to many as "TV's Frank" from Mystery Science Theater 3000 sum it up perfectly:



While the speculation is pretty interesting to watch and unfold, the fact it's still lost, and the people on board are either dead or in great peril, Mostly, it seems to be recycled information rehashed to fill time.

On the flip side, I think we'll see the longest CivAv thread in A.net history.

Just my little    to all this.

Carry on and have a nice day.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: SSTeve
Posted 2014-03-19 20:02:09 and read 70286 times.

Can anyone explain this map from NBC?
http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc...3-MAPPPPP.530x298.jpg?v=1394881666

Article here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101503406

The "northern path" here seems to indicate the Malaysian radar data was a red herring, and that the plane went over Thailand... if it went north. South is also incompatible with the Malaysian radar data. I dunno... maybe the map's crap.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: fooflyboy
Posted 2014-03-19 20:04:42 and read 70095 times.

Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 22):
recycled information rehashed to fill time.

...an excellent slogan for the news networks.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: flybeq400
Posted 2014-03-19 20:13:03 and read 71284 times.

Apparently Australian PM announcing they have found some debris possibly related to MH370.

"Aus. PM: Satellite has detected objects 'possibly related' to #MH370 search in Indian Ocean, RAAF Orion on way to investigate"

Source: Nine News Australia https://twitter.com/9NewsAUS

[Edited 2014-03-19 20:34:22]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: rfields5421
Posted 2014-03-19 20:15:44 and read 70692 times.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 10):
Couldn't tell you, but it is home to thousands of US Navy/Air Force personnel.

Diego Garcia is a British Territory with several hundred British civilians working on the island group.

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 2):
Does Diego Garcia have a mobile phone/cellphone network. If not might explain why no passengers have been able to make contact............

Cable & Wireless runs the local Diego Garcia phone system, and I have not seen anything which indicates there is a cell phone network on the island. Long distance phone service goes through C&W, it does not go through US Navy / military controlled equipment.

Cable & Wireless also runs the civilian internet network/ access. DSL Service is about $95 per month which sailors and airmen can have installed in their living quarters. There are also several internet café free WiFi sites at military sponsored dining locations, coffee house locations and libraries on the base.

There are many post about this missing aircraft on military forums from people in Diego Garcia. Communication with the base is open and uncontrolled. People on DG are laughing at folks wasting their time over looking for the plane there. It isn't. No one of hundreds of posters on various forums has seen anything.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: specks159
Posted 2014-03-19 20:16:39 and read 71946 times.

Quoting flybeq400 (Reply 25):
Apparently Australian PM announcing they have found some debris possibly related to MH370.

"Aus. PM: Satellite has detected objects 'possibly related' to #MH370 search in Indian Ocean, RAAF Orion on way to investigate"

AMSA is apparently holding a press conference at 3:30 AEDT on the issue.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: 747megatop
Posted 2014-03-19 20:16:59 and read 71787 times.

Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 22):
On the flip side, I think we'll see the longest CivAv thread in A.net history.

The grim and unfortunate thing though is 38 threads and all we know is that MH 370 is missing. No difference between the 38th thread reply 24 and 1st thread 1st post.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hivue
Posted 2014-03-19 20:17:39 and read 71711 times.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 23):
Can anyone explain this map from NBC?

Basically just the SATCOM arcs that have been discussed to death on this forum. See rcair1's sanity check.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hivue
Posted 2014-03-19 20:19:09 and read 71523 times.

Quoting flybeq400 (Reply 25):
Apparently Australian PM announcing they have found some debris possibly related to MH370.

Source?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: ciaran
Posted 2014-03-19 20:19:26 and read 72148 times.

Breaking

BBC News hour

Confirmed Last ping was received 08:11 am Malaysian time, on satellite prescribed path discussed before.

Australians have narrowed their search area under advice from the US to specific area in the Indian Ocean

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PHX787
Posted 2014-03-19 20:20:01 and read 71694 times.

Quoting flybeq400 (Reply 25):
"Aus. PM: Satellite has detected objects 'possibly related' to #MH370 search in Indian Ocean, RAAF Orion on way to investigate"

I'll believe them more than I'll believe India, Pakistan, or Malaysia.


But I hope this doesn't turn out to be more sea junk. Any more deets?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-19 20:21:21 and read 71931 times.

AP 11:13pm via SocialFlow

BREAKING: Australian PM: 2 objects in search for Malaysian jet may have been found.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2014-03-19 20:23:14 and read 71228 times.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 23):
Can anyone explain this map from NBC?

Laziness?

The Malaysian radar track has been confirmed by Thailand.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 20:23:20 and read 71222 times.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 26):
Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 10):
Couldn't tell you, but it is home to thousands of US Navy/Air Force personnel.

Diego Garcia is a British Territory with several hundred British civilians working on the island group.

Thanks, just more people who would've noticed a 777 landing at DG. I'm just not sure why Diego Garcia was ever brought up in the first place.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AR385
Posted 2014-03-19 20:23:36 and read 71526 times.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 33):

BREAKING: Australian PM: 2 objects in search for Malaysian jet may have been found.

"Aircraft and ships are being diverted to the area. Expected to arrive Thursday afternoon."

Looks like this is solid.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Andrensn
Posted 2014-03-19 20:25:40 and read 71401 times.

"Two objects possibly related to missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have been spotted, the Australian Prime Minister has said."
Source: http://news.sky.com/story/1228904/mi...-plane-objects-may-be-mh370-debris

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2014-03-19 20:27:29 and read 70700 times.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 23):
Can anyone explain this map from NBC?
http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc...3-MAPPPPP.530x298.jpg?v=1394881666

Article here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101503406

The "northern path" here seems to indicate the Malaysian radar data was a red herring, and that the plane went over Thailand... if it went north. South is also incompatible with the Malaysian radar data. I dunno... maybe the map's crap.

It seems to be an illustration of the two arcs implied by the satellite ping. The arcs mean the ping could have originated at any point on one of the arcs. However you can then eliminate some of the bits of arc, for example over Thailand.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Centre
Posted 2014-03-19 20:28:22 and read 70522 times.

Fox news also reporting two objects that might be related to MH370 located by Australian Air Force

[Edited 2014-03-19 20:28:52]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: chrisair
Posted 2014-03-19 20:29:27 and read 70422 times.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 10):
This guy is an absolute tool. I wish people would stop giving him hits. That is all he is after, terrible reporting is a far second.
Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 15):
What is with this flying with fish worship? Jesus. Maying these forums unreadable. He has been about as useful as a nun's tits.

I posted this in another thread but I'll post it again: https://www.google.ca/#q=steven+frischling+compulsive+liar

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: sovietjet
Posted 2014-03-19 20:31:08 and read 70153 times.

I'm sure after 10,000+ posts someone must've said this already BUT:

WHAT IF, they get a SAR plane like a P-3 or P-8 to fly the southern "arc" or loci calculated by the satellite ping. Meaning they would fly that curved route and listen for the ELT and look for anything floating. Isn't this the most logical way to search for it? If the final ping came from that arc why not just do a flight following that arc to maximize the chance of finding the plane? And if there are errors in the distance, just get 10 or 20 planes flying side by side separated by a few miles each. Then you cover a wide curved channel. Just thinking out loud here, but does anyone know if that is what's being done to search?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: coolian2
Posted 2014-03-19 20:32:21 and read 69787 times.

Wow, hopefully this is the first and last time Tony Abbott is right.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Womack17
Posted 2014-03-19 20:33:57 and read 70038 times.

CNN is reporting "objects related to #370 possibly found" - debris detected by satellite imagery.

Australian PM to speak at a live news conference shortly

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hivue
Posted 2014-03-19 20:34:51 and read 69609 times.

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 42):
Wow, hopefully this is the first and last time Tony Abbott is right.

I don't know Australian politics but that doesn't sound too encouraging. 

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: canoecarrier
Posted 2014-03-19 20:35:00 and read 69593 times.

The possible debris was identified via satellite imagery. I'll start to believe it when search aircraft get on the scene and confirm.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Lindenwold
Posted 2014-03-19 20:35:53 and read 69668 times.

FlyingWithFish in straight denial. Whether or not they find this a/c, props to the members that called him a fraud.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 20:37:16 and read 69221 times.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 45):
The possible debris was identified via satellite imagery. I'll start to believe it when search aircraft get on the scene and confirm.

My confidence in this find dropped significantly when I saw "satellite imagery." At least they didn't say they used Tomnod.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: SSTeve
Posted 2014-03-19 20:37:34 and read 68917 times.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 38):

It seems to be an illustration of the two arcs implied by the satellite ping. The arcs mean the ping could have originated at any point on one of the arcs. However you can then eliminate some of the bits of arc, for example over Thailand.

That's what I would've thought, except the arcs are polylines. I was wondering if it was a connect-the-pings graphic with knowledge of the arcs implied by the penultimate pings.

But I agree with others that it's probably just based on the same old ultimate ping arcs as everything other graphic.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Womack17
Posted 2014-03-19 20:37:41 and read 69105 times.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 45):

The possible debris was identified via satellite imagery. I'll start to believe it when search aircraft get on the scene and confirm.

CNN International is reporting 3 aircraft are in route to the site presently.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: coolian2
Posted 2014-03-19 20:37:48 and read 68977 times.

Quoting hivue (Reply 44):
I don't know Australian politics but that doesn't sound too encouraging. 

Just the thoughts of someone well left of centre lol. I do hope we're reaching a conclusion, devastating as it may be.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: 747megatop
Posted 2014-03-19 20:37:56 and read 69106 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 32):
I'll believe them more than I'll believe India, Pakistan, or Malaysia.

I'll believe whoever spots the wreckage; till then nobody is believable. China was wrong previously on their Satellite image. But of course, i'll not believe Pakistan either.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Centre
Posted 2014-03-19 20:39:31 and read 68690 times.

The info must have some truth to it if it's the Australian PM himself making the announcement

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: dampfnudel
Posted 2014-03-19 20:41:20 and read 68211 times.

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 21):
It depends on how you play. If you're heavily into modding (installing realistic flight traffic or scenery, for example), you would delete a *ton* of stuff, because a lot of things conflict, and when you install something new, you often have to delete something old. Sometimes the only thing you can do is pretty much delete everything and start over. I've learned with FS9 and FSX to save *all* of my downloaded files in case I ever need them again (which I often do) and the original downloads are not available anymore (a lot of FS web sites have been disappearing over time). That's because I often have to start fresh with the newest stuff.

Yeah, you're right. I only downloaded one airport add-on (Frankfurt Airport for FS 2004) and a few new aircraft (in various liveries). I never really got into the FS scene like some people, including one of my German relatives (he really loves train sims as well).

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Womack17
Posted 2014-03-19 20:41:34 and read 68368 times.

Quoting Centre (Reply 52):

The info must have some truth to it if it's the Australian PM himself making the announcement

COMPLETELY AGREE - Can't see the PM releasing such a statement without infallible proof

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 20:42:20 and read 67975 times.

If the ocean currents were a mild but steady 5kmh, floating wreckage could now be 1600 km away from the point where the black boxes and any sunken wreckage is located.

[Edited 2014-03-19 20:43:32]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAmPaul
Posted 2014-03-19 20:42:27 and read 68170 times.

A bit more on what Tony Abbott, the Australlian PM said:

Quote:
Speaking in front of parliament Thursday, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said that new satellite images revealed two possible objects in the southern Indian Ocean. An Australian Orion aircraft has been dispatched to the area.

“The task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult,“ said Abbott, adding that it “may be they do not relate to the aircraft.”...

from
Australian PM Says Possible MH370 Debris Located in Indian Ocean

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Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2014-03-19 20:42:30 and read 68213 times.

There is a conviction among many Americans, including FlyingWithFish and some on this board, that the terrorism angle is the correct one. Given 9/11 and the ongoing War on Terror, it is perfectly understandable. The US public is constantly bombarded by the press with news on the War on Terror.

In the same way, many pilots think it was probably a mechanical issue, perhaps because the thing that keeps many pilots up at night is a mechanical issue they can't deal with, most particularly fire.

In that context, I wonder if FlyingWithFish is a man who knows his audience very well, or if he genuinely believes the terrorism angle is the only one that makes sense.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Lindenwold
Posted 2014-03-19 20:42:57 and read 67880 times.

Is it daylight where the debris has been spotted? About how far is the possible crash site from where they last communicated with the a/c?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AR385
Posted 2014-03-19 20:43:29 and read 67879 times.

Quoting Centre (Reply 52):
The info must have some truth to it if it's the Australian PM himself making the announcement

Exactly. Not some minister. And they probably have looked at the images pretty closely.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: k83713
Posted 2014-03-19 20:45:29 and read 67451 times.

Objects or debris? If not debris, maybe rafts? It's a big news, anyway.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: N328KF
Posted 2014-03-19 20:46:56 and read 67234 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 59):

I expect you'll find that the Australians, US, and NZ worked pretty tightly on this one, in contrast to the Southeast Asian efforts.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Coal
Posted 2014-03-19 20:47:15 and read 67331 times.

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 58):
Is it daylight where the debris has been spotted?
http://bit.ly/1deExxr  

Cheers
Coal

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Andrensn
Posted 2014-03-19 20:47:18 and read 67006 times.

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 58):

Is it daylight where the debris has been spotted?

Yes it is currently 11:45AM Perth Time

[Edited 2014-03-19 20:47:42]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 20:47:43 and read 67112 times.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 57):
In that context, I wonder if FlyingWithFish is a man who knows his audience very well, or if he genuinely believes the terrorism angle is the only one that makes sense.

It's the only angle that intrigue's most American's and keeps them coming back to his ridiculous Twitter feed. Could he be right in the end? Maybe, but he is definitely fueling the terrorism paranoia fire that many American's have failed to get over. I can't stand people who exploit this fear...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: coolian2
Posted 2014-03-19 20:48:10 and read 66775 times.

"I should tell the House - and we must keep this in mind - the task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult and it may turn out that they are not related to the search for flight MH370," Abbott said.

"Nevertheless, I did want to update the House on this potentially important development.''

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/98...ects-linked-to-missing-plane-found

Make of that what you will.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: pintail21
Posted 2014-03-19 20:48:36 and read 66762 times.

So if they found some debris that has to be what, several hundred miles from the crash site at least? That's still a long way to go. How long have the black box pingers worked before? The advertised length is 30 days, but you'd think it could go on for longer in ideal conditions.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AR385
Posted 2014-03-19 20:48:55 and read 66695 times.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 61):
I expect you'll find that the Australians, US, and NZ worked pretty tightly on this one,

Don´t they in everything?

That´s one of the reasons why I think this is solid. As opposed to the other "breaks" we´ve endured.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 20:49:13 and read 66652 times.

This puts a mechanical defect or incident back on the front burner-does it not?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-19 20:49:35 and read 66724 times.

Twitter reports that Australian Gov't is going to have a press conference in 20 min (4 UTC)

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: undertheradar
Posted 2014-03-19 20:49:49 and read 66727 times.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 33):

OZ PM holding a press conference.... saying it 'could' be 'possible' wreckage...needs further investigation.....that is PM 'speak' for...'we have located something in relation to MH370'...ANY OZ PM wouldn't be that 'careless' (stupid) to announce via a press conference such a 'statement' if there was no 'substance' to it.... I really hope he hasn't just subscribed to the 'media circus' mentality ... (if he is 'grandstanding' ..it will only make me hate him more)

next press conference... 3.30pm AEDST...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 20:50:29 and read 66216 times.

Those are some very deep waters. What is the max depth of the black boxes?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: KirkSeattle
Posted 2014-03-19 20:50:52 and read 66351 times.

it's around noon at Perth...

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/australia/perth

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 58):

Gosh, I hope this reveals the clues to this daunting mystery for the families.

It's coming from the Australian's so I have more confidence.

KirkSeattle

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2014-03-19 20:50:53 and read 66370 times.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search

you should be able to watch the conference live from ninemsn.com.au 1530 AEST or 1230 WST

[Edited 2014-03-19 20:52:17]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tayser
Posted 2014-03-19 20:50:55 and read 66232 times.

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 58):
Is it daylight where the debris has been spotted? About how far is the possible crash site from where they last communicated with the a/c?

It's almost 3pm AEDT - won't get dark here for another 4-4-5 hours. AWST is currently 3 hours behind AEDT - given the search area was a few thousand kilometres further west there'd be at least another 8 or so hours of daylight from time on posting.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wjcandee
Posted 2014-03-19 20:51:46 and read 66212 times.

This is what happens when "reporters" try to figure out a mystery. "Facts" that are of low-reliabiility are presented right alongside definitive facts, leading to erroneous conclusions. When a guy on Hannity tonight tried to say that the little bit of actual information in the public domain still lines up just as well with a Payne Steward type situation, Hannity shot him down by talking about preprogrammed turns and such. Well I disagree that those are facts. "Talk to the New York Times, then" said Hannity. Really, Sean? The Times, which is still confused about the difference between scratchpadding a waypoint and moving it into the route?

In any event, it will be very interesting to see what happens if we find that the aircraft, a stable platform, was just flying along without the benefit of human control. No reason to believe that happened, but the point here is that there is really no evidence that it didn't happen.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jetblueguy22
Posted 2014-03-19 20:52:13 and read 65854 times.

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 46):
FlyingWithFish in straight denial. Whether or not they find this a/c, props to the members that called him a fraud.

Of course he is. If they find it his credibility goes out the window. I'm not saying he's wrong. I've learned more from him than the Malaysian authorities, but still.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 57):
In the same way, many pilots think it was probably a mechanical issue, perhaps because the thing that keeps many pilots up at night is a mechanical issue they can't deal with, most particularly fire.

The thing that is just so hard for me to understand is the fact that if it was mechanical why was nothing said. Australia isn't a short hop from it's last contact.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 57):
In that context, I wonder if FlyingWithFish is a man who knows his audience very well, or if he genuinely believes the terrorism angle is the only one that makes sense.

Well security does seem to be his specialty and his sources apparently have been telling him a lot, so perhaps he really believes it is terrorism.

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 58):
Is it daylight where the debris has been spotted? About how far is the possible crash site from where they last communicated with the a/c?

It is almost noon in Perth right now which is I believe southeast of where this was apparently spotted.

Quoting k83713 (Reply 60):
Objects or debris? If not debris, maybe rafts? It's a big news, anyway.

Objects at this point. Whether it is debris will be confirmed by the P-3s I guess.
Pat

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: rcair1
Posted 2014-03-19 20:52:31 and read 66258 times.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 45):

The possible debris was identified via satellite imagery. I'll start to believe it when search aircraft get on the scene and confirm.

  

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 51):
The info must have some truth to it if it's the Australian PM himself making the announcement

With all due respect to the Australian PM - the announce so far is very carefully worded to be able to say 'nope - turns out it was not related'.

"Mr Abbott described the reported sighting as "credible" and a "potentially important development".

But he warned: "The task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult and it may turn out they are not related to search for MH370."" (emphasis added.)

Then - you ask, of course, "Why is he holding a press conference rather than waiting for confirmation."

The answer is that this is a huge international story and he feels it is important to show Australia is doing their part.

[Edited 2014-03-19 20:56:02]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 20:53:53 and read 65900 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 67):
That´s one of the reasons why I think this is solid. As opposed to the other "breaks" we´ve endured.

The regular junk that was spotted in the Gulf of Thailand and the Malacca Strait will be much more spread out in the Indian Ocean, so there is a much higher probability that this debris is related to MH370.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tayser
Posted 2014-03-19 20:53:56 and read 66100 times.

Pic of search area in relation to Australian continent from the Herald Sun: https://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/446494542078824450/photo/1

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2014-03-19 20:54:27 and read 65572 times.

Not to be Western / US centric, but kudos to Australia, NZ, and the US if they have indeed found it... I trust their developments and competency more than the Malaysians at this point.

And assuming this really is MH370, I hope FlyingWithFish fades into oblivion. It seemed like he was always ahead of the media and he often was, probably because the same leakers told the media the same thing they told him. He just sounded so pompous and arrogant I was hoping he was wrong (minus the fact that the passengers might have been alive.)

Let's see what the Aussies have to say... can't say this is the best outcome if this is MH370 but at least the families will have closure not wondering if their loved ones are alive or not...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: packersfan
Posted 2014-03-19 20:55:11 and read 65328 times.

Quoting hivue (Reply 44):
Quoting coolian2 (Reply 42):
Wow, hopefully this is the first and last time Tony Abbott is right.

I don't know Australian politics but that doesn't sound too encouraging.

coolian2 doesn't know it either!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Lindenwold
Posted 2014-03-19 20:55:52 and read 65373 times.

Quoting KirkSeattle (Reply 72):

Wow, thanks for the link.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: coolian2
Posted 2014-03-19 20:56:58 and read 64880 times.

Quoting packersfan (Reply 81):
coolian2 doesn't know it either!

Did I pretend I did?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2014-03-19 20:57:41 and read 65338 times.

AMSA press conference is 15:30 AEDT (35 minutes from now).

I'd say with 99.999% certainty that ABC News 24 will play it live (and in full), so you should be able to get the feed here:

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc-news-24/XX0001A001S00

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 42):
hopefully this is the first and last time Tony Abbott is right.

  

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hivue
Posted 2014-03-19 20:57:55 and read 65062 times.

It's interesting that the Malaysians are not announcing this, don't you think? In other words, that the Australians didn't tell the Malaysian authorities and let them announce it.

[Edited 2014-03-19 21:00:06]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: k83713
Posted 2014-03-19 20:58:25 and read 64572 times.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 77):
it may turn out they are not related to search for MH370."" (emphasis added.)

Sounds as general addition out of caution, just in case. The fact it's annunced by PM shows high probability it's indeed related...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Tapir
Posted 2014-03-19 20:58:34 and read 64515 times.

Quoting KirkSeattle (Reply 72):
Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 82):

I read 3 30 AEDT. That means in another 32 minutes.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 20:59:02 and read 64514 times.

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 83):

Quoting packersfan (Reply 81):
coolian2 doesn't know it either!

Did I pretend I did?

Guys, these threads re long enough. Can we keep on topic with completely outlandish theories and more links to Tomnod maps of oil slicks and toilet seats? Thanks

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 20:59:07 and read 64532 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 79):
Pic of search area in relation to Australian continent from the Herald Sun:

That would be at the southern most extent of the "last ping" possible locations.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: stuyyz
Posted 2014-03-19 20:59:33 and read 64544 times.

apparently the australian press conference to be streamed here:

http://tvnz.co.nz/news

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AR385
Posted 2014-03-19 20:59:37 and read 64522 times.

Quoting undertheradar (Reply 70):
I really hope he hasn't just subscribed to the 'media circus' mentality ... (if he is 'grandstanding' ..it will only make me hate him more)

I don´t think he is. Not after all the ridiculousness we´ve seen by so called "authorities" over the days. He has solid information.

They had already narrowed the search to a very small (relatively speaking) area in the past few days, so they knew what they were doing and more or less where they were going to find stuff. It is telling that it was in that area where this so called "satellite imagery" is coming from.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: lazybones
Posted 2014-03-19 20:59:39 and read 64678 times.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 77):
With all due respect to the Australian PM - the announce so far is very carefully worded to be able to say 'nope - turns out it was not related'.

Its OK most Australians don't see our PM as either credible or reliable at the best of times  

For once I hope he's got it right!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: canoecarrier
Posted 2014-03-19 21:00:03 and read 64135 times.

I wonder how often they're imaging the area they think they may have found some debris? If it's frequent enough they should be able to define a drift pattern if they have a starting date/place by comparing the photos.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: fotoflyer71
Posted 2014-03-19 21:00:08 and read 64078 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 84):
AMSA press conference is 15:30 AEDT (35 minutes from now).

I'd say with 99.999% certainty that ABC News 24 will play it live (and in full), so you should be able to get the feed here:

Doesn't work if you are outside Australia apparently - you guys will have to give us the updates!!!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: davs5032
Posted 2014-03-19 21:01:13 and read 64053 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 84):
AMSA press conference is 15:30 AEDT (35 minutes from now).

I'd say with 99.999% certainty that ABC News 24 will play it live (and in full), so you should be able to get the feed here:

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc...01S00

Only viewable within Austrailia it says..

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Norcal773
Posted 2014-03-19 21:01:50 and read 64338 times.

So Abbot said 'Two possible objects related to MH370 have been identified'. What in the hell does that even mean? Identified as MH370 debris or identified as just objects? At the same time, I doubt he'd go in front of parliament if he wasn't quite optimistic. Sad that in this case 'optimism' is in relation to a 777 wreckage.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tayser
Posted 2014-03-19 21:02:05 and read 63774 times.

Quoting jelliesR (Reply 89):
That would be at the southern most extent of the "last ping" possible locations.

I just looked at the map again, the search area is the same distance from Perth that Melbourne is from Perth - 3-4 hour flying time from PER.

Long long long way away.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 21:02:10 and read 63783 times.

Quoting hivue (Reply 85):
It's interesting that the Malaysians are not announcing this, don't you think?

I think the time for them is done. I think, given the possible crash location, Australia should take the lead on the recovery.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tayser
Posted 2014-03-19 21:03:03 and read 63641 times.

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 95):
Only viewable within Austrailia it says..

ABC sometimes remove their Geo-block - try again just before 3:30pm

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 21:04:22 and read 63379 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 97):
I just looked at the map again, the search area is the same distance from Perth that Melbourne is from Perth - 3-4 hour flying time from PER.

Long long long way away.

This recovery and investigation will be epic... if its even possible. That area is literally in the middle of nowhere.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Tapir
Posted 2014-03-19 21:04:29 and read 63295 times.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 98):
Quoting hivue (Reply 85):It's interesting that the Malaysians are not announcing this, don't you think?I think the time for them is done. I think, given the possible crash location, Australia should take the lead on the recovery.

If not for joint SAR from several countries, I believe they would still be searching in South China Sea.  

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Finn350
Posted 2014-03-19 21:05:32 and read 63410 times.

I suppose they are relatively certain the objects might belong to MH 370. Hopefully they will release the satellite imagery in the conference.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: coolian2
Posted 2014-03-19 21:06:12 and read 62932 times.

Aussies, when does Question Time finish? Surely any real update will be independent of this, right?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: alberchico
Posted 2014-03-19 21:06:24 and read 62964 times.

Wouldn't the ocean currents have carried any floating objects far away from the suspected crash area by now ?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hivue
Posted 2014-03-19 21:07:04 and read 62992 times.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 98):
I think the time for them is done. I think, given the possible crash location, Australia should take the lead on the recovery.

That's my point. Everyone has gotten frustrated enough that they've laid diplomatic niceties and international conventions aside.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-19 21:07:50 and read 62915 times.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 104):

Would you rather backtrack a piece of debris or continue searching the whole Indian Ocean?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 21:08:30 and read 62625 times.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 104):
Wouldn't the ocean currents have carried any floating objects far away from the suspected crash area by now ?

Yes, but if this is truly debris from MH370, they can study the currents over the last 12 or so days and estimate a new search box with pretty good accuracy.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: undertheradar
Posted 2014-03-19 21:08:36 and read 62588 times.

Quoting hivue (Reply 85):

the daily 'update' by the Malay 'authorites' isn't due for another 5hrs!! ..I don't think they are capable of releasing 'breaking news'.....please excuse my sarcasm

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 21:08:44 and read 62560 times.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 104):
Wouldn't the ocean currents have carried any floating objects far away from the suspected crash area by now ?

Yes, if the surface currents are at a walking speed, over 1000km from impact point.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: kiwiinoz
Posted 2014-03-19 21:09:03 and read 62716 times.

I am guessing they found it. Why hold a press conference otherwise. They have already told us they found a couple of objects. And I doubt they would hold a press conference to tell us it turned out to be nothing.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 21:09:05 and read 62569 times.

Quoting hivue (Reply 105):
That's my point. Everyone has gotten frustrated enough that they've laid diplomatic niceties and international conventions aside

Happily (I'm sure for everyone) practicalities will probably push a handover of responsibilities to Australia.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: rcair1
Posted 2014-03-19 21:10:35 and read 62448 times.

Sanity Check - Update.

Typically, when I a new "thread" starts (and I'm awake) I do a new Sanity Check - but I just reviewed the current edition - and with the exception of the Australia 'possible debris' satellite imagery - nothing has changed.

So here is a link to the current one Sanity Check by rcair1 in MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37
This link puts the sanity check at the top of the screen - you will have to "expand" it to read it.

One more depressing thought

Here is the "What we know" from the one of the first "Sanity Checks"
-----
In summary
We KNOW 4 things.

  • - The a/c disappeared from secondary radar and stopped communicating. We do not know why or what happened to it.

  • - There is some evidence that it traveled west. But that evidence is not conclusive or sure.

  • - We have not found it despite multiple governmental agencies from multiple countries searching hard.

  • - We have a better idea were it is NOT


----
Here is the same from the current Sanity Check - and note, the only addition is not really a "know"

IN summary what we know is.
The a/c disappeared from secondary radar and stopped communicating. We do not know why or what happened to it.
It seems we have data that says that way-points (undefined as yet) were added to the FMS prior to the 1:07 ACARS report.
There is evidence from SATCOM and Radar that the a/c traveled west - then most likely north west.
Hourly SATCOM signals show the a/c was operating till at least 8:11am Malaysia time, over 7 hrs total flight time
We have not found it despite multiple governmental agencies from multiple countries searching hard.


After how many days? - we "KNOW" basically nothing new.
- The a/c and all the people are missing.
- We don't know where they are or 'how' they are
- We don't know if it was accidental or directed.

I will post a new sanity check in the morning (my morning)

- G'night
-rcair1
Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: k83713
Posted 2014-03-19 21:11:44 and read 62138 times.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 104):

Even if so, it's big fixation of the search area, there will be no any distraction by lyrics from Maldivian fishermen or other fancy theories. Matter of time to get to the real assets.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hh65man
Posted 2014-03-19 21:12:36 and read 62011 times.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has informed us about two objects sighted by satellite imagery as may being related to the aircraft. US P-8 is in route now and the Australians have sent out another P-3 to help...... I'll try to post the link...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Lindenwold
Posted 2014-03-19 21:13:39 and read 61743 times.

Quoting hh65man (Reply 114):

just link this thread.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: lazybones
Posted 2014-03-19 21:13:42 and read 61798 times.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 98):
Only viewable within Austrailia it says..

davs5032, you're not missing anything it's just our PM speaking in parliament. No vision on the satellite images or anything we can debate yet.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: edmountain
Posted 2014-03-19 21:15:09 and read 61336 times.

I'm not holding my breath, but why else would Abbott himself make the announcement? Egg will certainly cover his face if it turns out to be something else.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: mercure1
Posted 2014-03-19 21:15:20 and read 61425 times.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 6):
VAMPI would likely be reach 82min after takeoff, via the DCT PIBOS R208 IGARI DCT VAMPI routing.
398min (6.6hrs) range from VAMPI @ 485KTAS = 3217nm . Heck thats almost to the Kerguelen Islands."

that spot being searched now is basically 3200nm SSW of VAMPI. Which would be about right, based on known takeoff fuel, Gross Wt at departure time, normal 772ER T892 fuel burns at M.84/OPT FL w/ an assumed 3% fuel burn adjustment for aircraft/engine degradation.

Quoting tayser (Reply 79):
Pic of search area in relation to Australian continent from the Herald Sun: https://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/446494542078824450/photo/1

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: rcair1
Posted 2014-03-19 21:15:23 and read 61372 times.

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 96):
Sad that in this case 'optimism' is in relation to a 777 wreckage.

For those who are really impacted, family and friends of passengers, any concrete news will be viewed as, if not good, welcome.

Sometimes we need to remember - while we are living this event vicariously, they are living it for real.

- My heart goes out to them....

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 21:16:37 and read 60849 times.

Quoting edmountain (Reply 117):
I'm not holding my breath, but why else would Abbott himself make the announcement? Egg will certainly cover his face if it turns out to be something else.

Maybe, like 447, the sat can see the tail floating. Would a 777 tail float?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Centre
Posted 2014-03-19 21:16:51 and read 61179 times.

According to the Australian PM the RAAF Aircraft should have made contact with the "Two objects" by now.
aircraft was diverted to the objects location based on the "expert analysis" of satellite images.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Finn350
Posted 2014-03-19 21:17:26 and read 60934 times.

And we will probably also get information when those satellite images were taken. The closer the incident date the better (although that means it is more difficul to spot the objects now).

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Norcal773
Posted 2014-03-19 21:21:30 and read 59953 times.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 119):
Sometimes we need to remember - while we are living this event vicariously, they are living it for real.

- My heart goes out to them....

Those were my sentiments too when I wrote that, there are a lot of people out there who have lost loved ones in this accidents and my heart goes out to them...but like you said, this can only be 'welcome' news to them at the same time.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: rfields5421
Posted 2014-03-19 21:21:33 and read 60056 times.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 120):
Would a 777 tail float?

Maybe.

The AF447 stabilizer floated because of trapped air. Without air trapped in various segments - it would have sunk with the rest of the plane.

Wings and the tail could contain enough air to offset the weight of the piece making them float. Then again, they might sink if not enough air is trapped.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: fotoflyer71
Posted 2014-03-19 21:24:19 and read 59206 times.

Looks like CNN is going to carry the press conference too...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 21:24:32 and read 59256 times.

They are showing a slide with two possible southern tracks, very close to each other. Why two?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: socalgeo
Posted 2014-03-19 21:24:48 and read 59449 times.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 118):
that spot being searched now is basically 3200nm SSW of VAMPI. Which would be about right, based on known takeoff fuel, Gross Wt at departure time, normal 772ER T892 fuel burns at M.84/OPT FL w/ an assumed 3% fuel burn adjustment for aircraft/engine degradation.

Quoting tayser (Reply 79):Pic of search area in relation to Australian continent from the Herald Sun: https://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/446494542078824450/photo/1




The northern tip of the search area is the 3200 mile location that you are describing. I pulled this location from a Aus Govt SAR site that tomlee provided earlier today.

Their web site said they planned to search to the south of that point...

SoCalGeo

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: aviators99
Posted 2014-03-19 21:25:07 and read 59442 times.

CNN will show the press conference.

"Expert" on there now who was good for a while, but now is talking about Part 121 rules (or lack of) for ELTs.  Wow!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 21:25:11 and read 59492 times.

If this turns out to be wreckage from MH370, prepare for another 40 threads. Get your coffee ready Rcair1!

[Edited 2014-03-19 21:27:25]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Centre
Posted 2014-03-19 21:26:35 and read 58880 times.

press conference in 5 minutes from now

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AR385
Posted 2014-03-19 21:26:48 and read 59059 times.



Quoting rcair1 (Reply 119):
For those who are really impacted, family and friends of passengers, any concrete news will be viewed as, if not good, welcome.

Sometimes we need to remember - while we are living this event vicariously, they are living it for real.

- My heart goes out to them....

Up until today I was giving the Malaysian Government the benefit of the doubt. But what they did today, dragging that distraught Chinese woman away with such force was pretty disgusting. Not only are they incompetent in investigating this event but also in treating people with respect and compassion.

[Edited 2014-03-19 21:29:43]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: stuyyz
Posted 2014-03-19 21:27:04 and read 58968 times.

They are setting up for the news conference, watch live here:
http://www.katu.com/news/live2

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2014-03-19 21:27:50 and read 58899 times.

Re the Abbott statement, note that it was an announcement to Parliament rather than a press conference. Beyond his announcement to the House of Representatives, the Australian Government has said nothing to the media about it yet.

AMSA presser starts in 5 minutes.

People not in Australia, do the Channel Nine or NZ links posted above work? I didn't realise that ABC was only available in Australia.

For people in other countries, despite the very short lead-in time I would expect that at the very least New Limited news sources (Sky News UK, Fox News etc) will be able to cover it because Sky News Australia will have their people on the ground; and ABC and BBC often swap feed so BBC News 24 will probably carry it as well. CNN, Al-Jazeera, France 24 etc will probably pay for feed from ABC as well, so must local 24 hour news sources will probably pick it up.

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 103):
Aussies, when does Question Time finish? Surely any real update will be independent of this, right?

ABC cut off Question Time at 15:20, but off the top of my head it finishes at 15:30

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: chaseus1
Posted 2014-03-19 21:28:09 and read 58605 times.

Well now we have a good clue which country found radar rata that could be pertinet... Australia! Malaysia was saying another country was providing new radar data... there it is! No wonder the US started steering things that way.

The northern route would have led to that plane being detected somewhere. Just like it was when it reached the southern Indian Ocean.

[Edited 2014-03-19 21:29:48]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2014-03-19 21:28:42 and read 58480 times.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 71):
Those are some very deep waters. What is the max depth of the black boxes?

I'm not sure there is a max depth. The recordings themselves are hard to crush.

The recorders of AF447 was found at around 4000 meters and the CVR of South African 295 at 4900 meters. The latter was degraded but that may have been from over a year at the bottom.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 120):
Maybe, like 447, the sat can see the tail floating. Would a 777 tail float?

Definitely maybe. Just like an A330 tail, a 777 tail is made of composite. However the reason the AF447 tail floated was because it had air trapped inside. So I suppose it would depend on what it had been subjected to.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 21:29:27 and read 58499 times.

Quoting chaseus1 (Reply 134):
Well now we have a good clue which country found radar rata that could be pertinet... Australia! No wonder the US started steering things that way.

Why do you think that.
From the slide at the press conference it looks like the USA simply sent the tip to Australia, US Satellite, just nearest friendly country is australia.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: stuyyz
Posted 2014-03-19 21:29:36 and read 58536 times.

...from the press conference
See lots of maps but no pictures yet....

http://www.katu.com/news/live2

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Tapir
Posted 2014-03-19 21:29:44 and read 58347 times.

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 132):

Thanks. Works fine.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2014-03-19 21:30:00 and read 58499 times.

The AMSA press conference looks very low-budget and thrown together in haste!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tayser
Posted 2014-03-19 21:30:39 and read 58260 times.

they just announced the ABC Geo blcok has been removed: http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: 345tas
Posted 2014-03-19 21:31:33 and read 58037 times.

A more reliable link might be this radio like to ABC News Radio (it's only audio though) http://www.abc.net.au/radio/player/?station=news

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: a36001
Posted 2014-03-19 21:31:35 and read 58194 times.

According the news on 2GB.com.au PM Abbott has spoken to the Malaysian PM, he is fully informed. It was not a news conference, PM Abbott was addressing the Australian Parliament.

I have great trust in our government and the RAAF, so this sounds positive, in a negative kind of way, but you know what I mean....

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: undertheradar
Posted 2014-03-19 21:32:16 and read 57518 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 133):

sorry..my mistake..not a press conference...just an interruption to parliament!!!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: sbkom
Posted 2014-03-19 21:33:13 and read 57528 times.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 124):
The AF447 stabilizer floated because of trapped air.

AF447 stabilizer was in composite material. 777 is not, so it may not float, no guarantees.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Lindenwold
Posted 2014-03-19 21:33:15 and read 57488 times.

Quoting undertheradar (Reply 144):

press conference is going on now!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2014-03-19 21:35:25 and read 57196 times.

I get the impression that the "news" is that there is no news, but we might know more later

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 146):
press conference is going on now!

He was referring to the earlier announcemtn

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: coolian2
Posted 2014-03-19 21:36:11 and read 56741 times.

"we wanted to look important, even if we're not. thanks!"

waste of hope and time. cruel.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: ciaran
Posted 2014-03-19 21:36:24 and read 57226 times.

The debris was spotted by satellite initially and then confirmed by Orion

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014/...ers-malaysia-airlines.html?hp&_r=0

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 21:36:33 and read 56839 times.

The matter of fact tone and professionalism is a relief. Things are moving.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Womack17
Posted 2014-03-19 21:36:52 and read 56908 times.

HELP - How large is 24 meters?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: k83713
Posted 2014-03-19 21:37:13 and read 57163 times.

Largest piece - 24 meters.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: milestones787
Posted 2014-03-19 21:37:14 and read 57292 times.

One of the objects is 24 meters big. I have to assume there is a good chance that its from a 777.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 21:37:30 and read 57093 times.

Notes:

The AMSA is coordinating the southern corridor search with assistance from NZ and USA.
the centre received satellite imagery of objects possible related to MH370.
RCC Australia received an expert assessment this morning.
The images were captured by satellite.
Assessment was provided by the AGO as possible indication of debris south of the search area.
In the vicinity of the search area defined and searched.
further images are expected after commercial satellites are redirected.
4 aircraft directed to locate the objects.
An Orion arrived at 1:50pm this afternoon, with 3 more later today include a US Poseidon which should be on scene now.
All aircraft will be on scene by 8pm.
A C130 will drop data marker bouys to assist drift modelling.
A merchant ship will arrive at 6pm today alerted on monday.
A warship is some days away HMS Success.
AMSA will continue the search with all available ships and aircraft.
weather is moderate but there is poor visibility.
Indistinct objects. Reasonable size, awash with water. Large size. 24m in size. A smaller size. and a number of other in the "general area".

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2014-03-19 21:37:41 and read 57204 times.

The questions was more useful that the press conference!

They're looking at objects about 24m in size, and "experts" have described them as "credible leads"

I get the sense, though, that this was AMSA wanting their moment in the sun. Sad.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2014-03-19 21:38:02 and read 56581 times.

Quoting Womack17 (Reply 151):
HELP - How large is 24 meters?

Seriously? Google it.

(1 meter is about 1 yard BTW)

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2014-03-19 21:38:20 and read 56472 times.

Quoting Womack17 (Reply 151):
24 meters?

About 70 feet.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 21:38:21 and read 56484 times.

Quoting Womack17 (Reply 151):
HELP - How large is 24 meters?

Would that be the size of a stabilizer?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tayser
Posted 2014-03-19 21:38:39 and read 56657 times.

Quoting Womack17 (Reply 151):
HELP - How large is 24 meters?

accroding to google, 78 feet https://www.google.com.au/search?q=24+metres+in+feet&oq=24+metres+in+feet&aqs=chrome..69i57.2272j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=2&es_sm=141&ie=UTF-8

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Lindenwold
Posted 2014-03-19 21:38:40 and read 56436 times.

Quoting Womack17 (Reply 151):
24 meters

like 75feet?

[Edited 2014-03-19 21:39:26]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2014-03-19 21:39:30 and read 56533 times.

"It is credible enough to divert resources to this area"

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: SA7700
Posted 2014-03-19 21:39:49 and read 56751 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 131):
Up until today I was giving the Malaysian Government the benefit of the doubt. But what they did today, dragging that distraught Chinese woman away with such force was pretty disgusting. Not only are they incompetent in investigating this event but also in treating people with respect and compassion.

Which unfortunately begs the question, how understanding can the Malaysian government really be when their Transport minister makes this statement:

"Hishammuddin Hussein, the acting transport minister, told the press briefing. "We do understand their concerns and are trying our very best. It's heart wrenching."

And then they drag away distraught family members? IMHO it is just not on...


Thanks and regards,

SA7700

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: gatorman96
Posted 2014-03-19 21:41:15 and read 56188 times.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 158):

Quoting Womack17 (Reply 151):
HELP - How large is 24 meters?

Would that be the size of a stabilizer?

From ground to top of vert stab is about 61 feet, so no unfortunately. But, length of both horizontal stabs is approx 70 feet

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: undertheradar
Posted 2014-03-19 21:41:42 and read 56085 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 139):

were you expecting a buffet spread...a few drinks n nibbles perhaps...this has all eventuated in the last hour or so...

plus an object (size of at least 24metres length/width..whatever..plus other objects) spotted in the middle of this vast ocean....hmmmmmm

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 21:42:15 and read 55457 times.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 163):
From ground to top of vert stab is about 61 feet, so no unfortunately. But, length of both horizontal stabs is approx 70 feet

Thank you. Good info.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2014-03-19 21:43:52 and read 55589 times.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 158):
Quoting Womack17 (Reply 151):
HELP - How large is 24 meters?

Would that be the size of a stabilizer?

The fin is about 8 meters. The horizontal stabilizer span is 21.5 meters, but AFAIK it is made in two pieces, not one.

The total length of a 777-200 is 63.7 meters.

Sourced from this very site: http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=106

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: nm2582
Posted 2014-03-19 21:43:55 and read 55721 times.

Quoting Womack17 (Reply 151):
HELP - How large is 24 meters?

about 79 feet.

For reference, the horizontal stabilizer is approximately 71 feet wide (21.5 meters). So, if the object is truly 24 meters long, it's too big to be the horizontal stabilizer - but perhaps the satellite scaling measurement is not perfect (71 feet is within 10% of 79 feet).

Each wing (left and right) is approximately 25 meters from wing tip to root, so the size could be very very close to a 777 wing.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2014-03-19 21:45:08 and read 55060 times.

Quoting nm2582 (Reply 168):
For reference, the horizontal stabilizer is approximately 71 feet wide (21.5 meters). So, if the object is truly 24 meters long, it's too big to be the horizontal stabilizer - but perhaps the satellite scaling measurement is not perfect (71 feet is within 10% of 79 feet).

The bigger problem is that AFAIK the stabilizer is not one piece going through the fuselage, but two separate pieces. Granted, it could still be attached to the tail.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 21:48:43 and read 53985 times.

The size and the *number of pieces in the same area* makes it "worth investigating".

if it is old random floating debris, it would be alone.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: timothy31388
Posted 2014-03-19 21:49:25 and read 54067 times.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 162):

The Malaysian Government is quite notorious for their extremely heavy handed approach towards all forms of protests, unfortunately.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: edmountain
Posted 2014-03-19 21:50:22 and read 53393 times.

24m = too big to be an intermodal container tossed from a ship.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: b777erj145
Posted 2014-03-19 21:50:51 and read 53378 times.

1500 miles SW of Perth, last statement was that weather is not very good there.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: davs5032
Posted 2014-03-19 21:52:18 and read 52967 times.

It would seem unlikely to me that any part of the plane that large (24m) would be intact after such an impact with the ocean, but I don't really have much knowledge on how such a plane would breakup...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: chaseus1
Posted 2014-03-19 21:53:41 and read 52917 times.

I think all of the landed in China, Myanmar, India, Pakistan, other stans, or Iran theories are about to be disproven.

Maybe sad for the families, as that was their only hope. But a relief maybe to know finally the result, if not yet knowing the cause.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2014-03-19 21:53:42 and read 52927 times.

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 173):
It would seem unlikely to me that any part of the plane that large (24m) would be intact after such an impact with the ocean, but I don't really have much knowledge on how such a plane would breakup...

For all we know the plane could have made an attempted ditching or glided gently to the surface. In both cases large pieces are plausible.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: SSTeve
Posted 2014-03-19 21:54:01 and read 52917 times.

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 173):
It would seem unlikely to me that any part of the plane that large (24m) would be intact after such an impact with the ocean, but I don't really have much knowledge on how such a plane would breakup...

Could always be an evacuation slide.   

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 21:55:36 and read 52708 times.

Why are there two routes suggested by the NTSB?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 21:55:57 and read 52641 times.

I guess no sleep tonight. They may release the sat pic in the next few hours.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: undertheradar
Posted 2014-03-19 21:57:33 and read 52448 times.

i'll probably get abused for saying this.....but this AMSA press conference is by far the only press conference since the MH370 'disappearance' that has been focused on the task of FINDING the plane!!!....I stopped watching the Malay daily 'media circuses' a few days ago..

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: k83713
Posted 2014-03-19 21:58:34 and read 51785 times.

They said they would provide image shortly, but I would bet on the wing. If impact was hard though, it is likely to break given it to be wide and thin, but looking at how sure they are the object can be related to MH, I think wing, its shape, is really distinctive piece of airplane.

[Edited 2014-03-19 22:01:54]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: mercure1
Posted 2014-03-19 21:59:02 and read 51733 times.

Quoting socalgeo (Reply 127):
The northern tip of the search area is the 3200 mile location that you are describing. I pulled this location from a Aus Govt SAR site that tomlee provided earlier today.

this was the bloomberg article w/ more precise fuel on board figures:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...k-on-analysis-using-fuel-data.html

"The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air."

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 22:00:49 and read 51253 times.

Given other sat pics we've seen, wouldn't a 777 wing be recognizable from those images?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: socalgeo
Posted 2014-03-19 22:01:55 and read 51119 times.

He said 2500 KM SW of Perth right?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 22:01:55 and read 51647 times.

Australian Broadcasting Corporation editor Jon Williams tweets: Crew on @USNavy P-8 spotter tell (ABC correspondent on board P-8) @WrightUps: "significant radar returns" coming from site where possible #MH370 objects spotted.
Tokyo Geoff is online now Reply

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: zeke
Posted 2014-03-19 22:03:32 and read 51035 times.

Quoting ciaran (Reply 149):

The debris was spotted by satellite initially and then confirmed by Orion

The objects have not been confirmed by the AP-3C.

Quoting jelliesR (Reply 154):
All aircraft will be on scene by 8pm.

Not true, first aircraft is about to leave the search area and RTB for a refuel, the USN P8 will take over for a while, it will then also need to RTB, then there will other assets continuously sent out.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 162):
And then they drag away distraught family members? IMHO it is just not on...

Personally I do not have an issue with what has happened, there are even more families around the world wanting answers, and the only way that information is going to get to them in a timely fashion is by the media.

I have no problem with the family being present, there were 230+ other families also waiting for news.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: asuflyer
Posted 2014-03-19 22:04:06 and read 50321 times.

One possibility is that the aircraft could have ran out of fuel, thus a crash impact with the sea would not necessarily be at a very high speed which could result in large pieces of aircraft wreckage.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: rcair1
Posted 2014-03-19 22:06:19 and read 49914 times.

Just watched it on Fox - had Fox on 1 screen, CNN on another. As I figured - all the majors carried it.

Unfortunately - it is as I thought when I posted this.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 77):
hen - you ask, of course, "Why is he holding a press conference rather than waiting for confirmation."
The answer is that this is a huge international story and he feels it is important to show Australia is doing their part.

No real new data in the press conference compared to the announcement.
- 2 pieces of debris (slipped that there may be more - a feild)
- blobs
- 24m in size - but I've been an image quality expert for 20 years - you can go +/- 10% on that easy.
- May or may not be MH370
- In a location pointed at by NTSB
- Credible enough we must go check it.
- We will know when we know - could be 5 minutes, could be 5 days - this the nature of the beast.

Quoting Centre (Reply 121):
According to the Australian PM the RAAF Aircraft should have made contact with the "Two objects" by now.

No - the aircraft is IN THE AREA, not in contact. P3 Orion.
More tasked and on the way. Sounds like they have them staged to have continuous coverage till dark assuming 2hr loiter time.

They did not answer "when" the satellite photos were taken.

Summary -
This is a credible lead that must be checked. We are checking it. We will tell you more when we know it.

-rcair1

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: k83713
Posted 2014-03-19 22:07:04 and read 49588 times.

For Ethiopian, were wings more or less at one piece after ditching into ocean? If plane was gliding, could engine be detached at the water impact without breakage of the wing considerably?

[Edited 2014-03-19 22:07:40]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Finn350
Posted 2014-03-19 22:07:33 and read 49546 times.

Quoting jelliesR (Reply 177):
Why are there two routes suggested by the NTSB?

My understanding is that the routes are based on two different speed estimates for the plane with a constant southerly heading.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-19 22:08:10 and read 49176 times.

Quoting asuflyer (Reply 187):

Exactly, if on AP, then the AP would do everything in it's power NOT to crash the plane. Thus having a lower G load and less of a "spattering" impact.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 22:08:11 and read 49230 times.

Will "flying with fish" tweet an apology on behalf of his source, if it turns out to be south.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Indy
Posted 2014-03-19 22:08:21 and read 49135 times.

Quoting nm2582 (Reply 167):
about 79 feet.

For reference, the horizontal stabilizer is approximately 71 feet wide (21.5 meters). So, if the object is truly 24 meters long, it's too big to be the horizontal stabilizer - but perhaps the satellite scaling measurement is not perfect (71 feet is within 10% of 79 feet).

Each wing (left and right) is approximately 25 meters from wing tip to root, so the size could be very very close to a 777 wing.

How large is an emergency slide on a 777? I'm guessing nowhere near that big but thought I'd check.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: rcair1
Posted 2014-03-19 22:09:26 and read 49142 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 185):
Australian Broadcasting Corporation editor Jon Williams tweets: Crew on @USNavy P-8 spotter tell (ABC correspondent on board P-8) @WrightUps: "significant radar returns" coming from site where possible #MH370 objects

Very interesting .

It would be very good to get visual on these and put the 'yes/no MH370' to bed quickly.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AR385
Posted 2014-03-19 22:09:29 and read 49094 times.

Quoting k83713 (Reply 189):
If plane was gliding, could engine be detached at the water impact without breakage of the wing considerably?

The engines are designed to detach without damaging the wing.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 22:09:45 and read 49102 times.

Would you get radar returns from aircraft debris, as reported?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: k83713
Posted 2014-03-19 22:11:27 and read 48788 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 196):

P-3 has radar for metal parts, P-8 can notice any debris floating on the water.

[Edited 2014-03-19 22:11:57]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 22:15:43 and read 47572 times.

Quoting k83713 (Reply 197):

The MAD, you mean?

They'd have to be over the debris.

I think they meant actual radar returns, not the magnetic detector.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: boacvc10
Posted 2014-03-19 22:15:51 and read 47648 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 185):
Australian Broadcasting Corporation editor Jon Williams tweets: Crew on @USNavy P-8 spotter tell (ABC correspondent on board P-8) @WrightUps: "significant radar returns" coming from site where possible #MH370 objects spotted.
Tokyo Geoff is online now Reply

Does the Aus. BC corporation editor have a live phone link to David Wright? He tweeted that all electronics have to be surrendered before his flight? Hopefully that is an encouraging sign !

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2014-03-19 22:16:57 and read 47196 times.

Quoting k83713 (Reply 189):
For Ethiopian, were wings more or less at one piece after ditching into ocean?

More or less, and more than just wings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA5FMFVbVZ0

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: dank
Posted 2014-03-19 22:17:04 and read 47070 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 196):

Would you get radar returns from aircraft debris, as reported?

Both have radar. The P3 has MAD gear which the US P8s do not.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: edmountain
Posted 2014-03-19 22:17:09 and read 47304 times.

Malaysia said to be sending a contingent of ships to the area. If true, could hint further at credibility of findings.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2014-03-19 22:18:29 and read 47204 times.

How would you like to be flying that low level search at night, in weather... that far from anywhere? Think of the distances and vastness of that area. That P-8 came into the fleet just in time.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: 11Bravo
Posted 2014-03-19 22:19:02 and read 47304 times.

Interesting that a path plotted from IGREX to the South Pole crosses very close to the southern most end of the original "southern arc" and also very close to the estimated position (1500 miles SW of Perth) of this latest debris sighting. Does anyone here know a LAT/LONG for this current debris?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: KirkSeattle
Posted 2014-03-19 22:19:37 and read 47370 times.

Quoting chaseus1 (Reply 134):
Well now we have a good clue which country found radar rata that could be pertinet... Australia!

Sometimes, I think we need to ask the obvious instead of assuming the obvious. "Australia, did you see anything?" ..."Indonesia, did you see anything?"..."Iran, do you have the plane?".... Instead of blanket statement due to countries revealing their capabilities. May have been covered after the Thai Authorities stated " They didn't ask..."

Gosh, I hope they find this plane.

KirkSeattle

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 22:27:10 and read 45345 times.

Quoting dank (Reply 201):

Both have radar. The P3 has MAD gear which the US P8s do not

Was it cancelled or removed from the program?

"The P-8A is also fitted with the CAE advanced integrated magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) system. The aircraft carries a rotary sonobuoy launcher with pneumatic ejection, being developed by EDO Corporation. The data links are being developed by Northrop Grumman Information Technology Division in Herndon, Virginia."

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: dampfnudel
Posted 2014-03-19 22:30:05 and read 44666 times.

If the debris turns out to be from MH370, I'm curious if the pilot or copilot spoke about the reason for diverting the aircraft to its doom because he knew he was being recorded in the final two hours of the flight (to let us all know why he did it). It's going to be a long night (or day if the sun has already risen at your location).

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: CaliAtenza
Posted 2014-03-19 22:30:27 and read 44750 times.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 17):
Never said he made anything up, but what makes what he is tweeting "pretty right?" Is that what we are aiming for these days? If he tweets enough crap, he will eventually be right. On the other hand, how do you know that he has broken stories before every other media outlet?

well i may have spoke too soon; looks like the Aussies found something. No its just weird because he would say something days before and then the media would pick it up. Either he is full of crap, and he very well may be, or he knows something they don't know.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: CaliAtenza
Posted 2014-03-19 22:31:26 and read 44437 times.

Quoting jelliesR (Reply 192):

Will "flying with fish" tweet an apology on behalf of his source, if it turns out to be south.

well i hope he does...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 22:31:44 and read 44624 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 206):
Was it cancelled or removed from the program?

Yes.

"In mid-2008, the Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) deleted the requirement for the P-8A to be equipped with magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) equipment in an effort to reduce weight by 3,500 lb (1,600 kg) to improve range and endurance."

So this has to be surface search radar hit.

[Edited 2014-03-19 22:35:49]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: valleyflyer
Posted 2014-03-19 22:33:16 and read 44359 times.

Lots of details from AMSA on the search effort for the debris was just put on their site:

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documen...eleasePossibleDebrisFoundMH370.pdf

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 22:37:54 and read 43330 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 79):

That is very far away from where people thought it would have went down, which means it floated from the original site.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hoya
Posted 2014-03-19 22:41:02 and read 42704 times.

I guess now we await pictures from the US Navy. If the P-8 is really getting significant radar returns, it seems like it's safe to assume they found the debris field.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 22:43:43 and read 42205 times.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 93):


That is true and why I think it may not be there at this point, but I hope it is, if it crashed.

[Edited 2014-03-19 22:44:00]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 22:44:52 and read 41810 times.

Quoting hoya (Reply 212):
I guess now we await pictures from the US Navy. If the P-8 is really getting significant radar returns, it seems like it's safe to assume they found the debris field.

Good point. But, how do we know they are getting radar returns?

Has Abbot said anything yet?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tullamarine
Posted 2014-03-19 22:47:22 and read 41415 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 211):
That is very far away from where people thought it would have went down, which means it floated from the original site

It probably means the original site was wrong.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 22:48:19 and read 41037 times.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 215):
It probably means the original site was wrong.

Yeah, that is true. Good point.

Has the PM said anything yet?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: dank
Posted 2014-03-19 22:48:33 and read 41130 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 209):

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 206):
Was it cancelled or removed from the program?

Yes.

"In mid-2008, the Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) deleted the requirement for the P-8A to be equipped with magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) equipment in an effort to reduce weight by 3,500 lb (1,600 kg) to improve range and endurance."

So this has to be surface search radar hit.

Yes. Sorry, didn't catch your question until you found the answer  

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 22:48:42 and read 41030 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 214):

Good point. But, how do we know they are getting radar returns?

#185

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: nm2582
Posted 2014-03-19 22:48:42 and read 41225 times.

Quoting hoya (Reply 212):
I guess now we await pictures from the US Navy. If the P-8 is really getting significant radar returns, it seems like it's safe to assume they found the debris field.

It would be safe to say that they found a field of radar reflective objects. It remains to be seen if they have anything to do with MH370. It won't be the first time that someone has found something which turns out to be completely unrelated....

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-19 22:50:37 and read 41064 times.

Quoting valleyflyer (Reply 210):

Nice find, somthing in that caught my eye.

"A RAAF C130 Hercules aircraft has been tasked by RCC Australia to drop datum marker buoys. These marker buoys assist RCC Australia by providing information about water movement to assist in drift modelling. They will provide an ongoing reference point if the task of relocating the objects becomes
protracted."

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: OldAeroGuy
Posted 2014-03-19 22:53:09 and read 40550 times.

Quoting sbkom (Reply 145):
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 124):The AF447 stabilizer floated because of trapped air.AF447 stabilizer was in composite material. 777 is not, so it may not float, no guarantees.

No, the 777 vertical and horizontal tails are composite material. The material is not lighter than water so only trapped air will cause them to float.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hoya
Posted 2014-03-19 22:56:58 and read 40054 times.

JUST IN: @WrightUps from above Indian Ocean says US P-8 crew "getting radar hits of significant size;" trying to get visuals on hits.

In case people missed it, there's a journalist on the P-8 that's currently in the search area. In a call within last hour, he reported that the plane's radar was getting significant hits.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 22:58:57 and read 39477 times.

Quoting hoya (Reply 222):

Okay, so that's the second report of radar hits from the P-8A.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:00:21 and read 39242 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 218):
Quoting zeke (Reply 185):
The objects have not been confirmed by the AP-3C.

185 says they have not been confirmed.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 220):


That is a very good idea.


Were the other false alarms detected by radar?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: chaseus1
Posted 2014-03-19 23:01:45 and read 39303 times.

CNN reporting Malaysia Airlines contacting families now.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:02:28 and read 38928 times.

Quoting hoya (Reply 222):

JUST IN: @WrightUps from above Indian Ocean says US P-8 crew "getting radar hits of significant size;" trying to get visuals on hits.

In case people missed it, there's a journalist on the P-8 that's currently in the search area. In a call within last hour, he reported that the plane's radar was getting significant hits.

Great information. Thank you for sharing. Do we know why the US let him aboard?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:04:31 and read 38848 times.

Quoting chaseus1 (Reply 225):
CNN reporting Malaysia Airlines contacting families now.

That could mean they are just letting know or they are telling them that they found something related to the crash.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 226):

Quoting hoya (Reply 222):

JUST IN: @WrightUps from above Indian Ocean says US P-8 crew "getting radar hits of significant size;" trying to get visuals on hits.

In case people missed it, there's a journalist on the P-8 that's currently in the search area. In a call within last hour, he reported that the plane's radar was getting significant hits.

How do we know that? I cannot find that Tweet on his page and an earlier Tweet said that he had to leave his phone behind.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: chaseus1
Posted 2014-03-19 23:08:01 and read 38469 times.

True, could be that they just found something... but unique headline from others that the airline is briefing families...

I am sure they've had many briefings, but the airline spokesperson announced this one.

Families should be notified first if it is confirmed. Plus, Malaysia navy sending 6 ships there....

I think they know.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: hoya
Posted 2014-03-19 23:08:39 and read 38212 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 227):
How do we know that? I cannot find that Tweet on his page and an earlier Tweet said that he had to leave his phone behind.

ABC News twitter feed, which has been retweeted. He apparently was able to phone in.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AR385
Posted 2014-03-19 23:10:20 and read 37756 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 227):
That could mean they are just letting know or they are telling them that they found something related to the crash.

I sincerely doubt that. After almost two weeks they are not going to call to give info. on another lead that is going to lead nowhere. They have a lot more info. than the media has so far been told, probably through the government.

I believe this time it´s for real. Unfortunately.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: travaz
Posted 2014-03-19 23:12:23 and read 37385 times.

I think that the Malaysian Government has finally let US and AS ETC take over the search with superior Tech. I think we may have some closure in a day or two.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2014-03-19 23:14:46 and read 36994 times.

Everything seems to indicate this will be it.

Not to get ahead of ourselves.. but then... what? why? how?

Seems like it would be a foregone conclusion that the aircraft succumbed to fuel starvation and i'd expect everyone on board was dead long before impact.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: seat55a
Posted 2014-03-19 23:15:03 and read 37001 times.

Quoting chaseus1 (Reply 228):
Malaysia navy sending 6 ships there....

It would be a week before they arrive, so if it's even a solid lead you would start them off. Australia has a fleet oiler on the way also (ironically named "Success") but won't be there for days (according to the AMSA statement linked above)

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-19 23:15:31 and read 37886 times.

Saw this picture on Twitter, most comprehensive image yet it seems...

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:15:59 and read 37041 times.

Quoting hoya (Reply 229):
ABC News twitter feed, which has been retweeted. He apparently was able to phone in.

OK, thanks.

Quoting travaz (Reply 231):
I think that the Malaysian Government has finally let US and AS ETC take over the search with superior Tech.

I agree with that. If nothing else by peer pressure from other governments, especially the Chinese.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 230):
I sincerely doubt that. After almost two weeks they are not going to call to give info. on another lead that is going to lead nowhere. They have a lot more info. than the media has so far been told, probably through the government.

I believe this time it´s for real. Unfortunately.

I agree that this is probably it. It is however, via satellite for the most part, so I won't be 100 percent convinced until something is seen by a human from a plane or a ship.

I said what I said because it could mean those two things - at least to me it could - and I wanted to put my ideas out there.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: CaliAtenza
Posted 2014-03-19 23:19:22 and read 36356 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 230):
I sincerely doubt that. After almost two weeks they are not going to call to give info. on another lead that is going to lead nowhere. They have a lot more info. than the media has so far been told, probably through the government.

I believe this time it´s for real. Unfortunately.

that's what makes it horrible; i was hoping in the back of my mind they would find the plane intact somewhere....so that at least the people on board had a chance of coming home.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:21:11 and read 35848 times.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 232):
Not to get ahead of ourselves.. but then... what? why? how?

We won't know that until the black boxes are recovered and analyzed, which could take a very, very long time.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 232):
i'd expect everyone on board was dead long before impact.

I guess that depends on what the conditions were when the e/q reached FL45.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 232):
succumbed to fuel starvation

Maybe, maybe not. It could have intentionally crashed, but I doubt it would have flown that far just to crash into the ocean when it could have done that closer to Malaysia. The distance, however, is what someone may have wanted to achieve, however.

If this was caused by a human or humans, maybe he/she or they wanted officials to search days for it and/or have difficulty finding it. Maybe they did not want anyone to know what actually happened and wanted to make it as hard as possible to find the black boxes.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: ERJ135
Posted 2014-03-19 23:22:15 and read 35898 times.

I am unable to give sources or any other information, however I am looking at a hard copy of the satellite imagery which clearly shows the two pieces of debris.
The larger one at 24 metres is definitely a part of an aircraft wing, if it is the 777 we are looking for it would be from the engine pylon to the tip. The other part is harder to tell what it is.
The credible information is that it was found at the extreme fuel range of the aircraft off the West coast of Australia near Perth. The theory of a Helios type tragedy is now most likely but is still speculation.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:22:22 and read 35601 times.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 236):
i was hoping in the back of my mind they would find the plane intact somewhere....so that at least the people on board had a chance of coming home.

Me too. Until it is found, I could see it on an island somewhere in the middle of the ocean.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Finn350
Posted 2014-03-19 23:23:00 and read 35737 times.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 234):
Saw this picture on Twitter, most comprehensive image yet it seems...

That is a very comprehensive picture. I presume that the curve on the NTSB tracks is caused by earth rotation, not the map projection (assuming constant southerly heading).

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: zeke
Posted 2014-03-19 23:23:50 and read 35656 times.

Quoting k83713 (Reply 196):
P-3 has radar for metal parts, P-8 can notice any debris floating on the water.

Australia has AP-3Cs, they are not normal P-3s, they also have digital radar which can pickup just about anything on the surface, metallic, plastic, or wood. What AMSA wants at the moment is a visual confirmation, hence their low level visual search.

The MAD detector would not be very useful, the ocean is too deep in the area.

AMSA has been very careful not to say this is the aircraft, that is the area of the ocean where there have picked up a number of sailors over the years.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: chaseus1
Posted 2014-03-19 23:24:23 and read 35263 times.

The chart in reply 234 really gives an idea of how some simple math on the timing of the path through the distance rings of the satellite led to where to look.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:25:34 and read 35292 times.

Quoting ERJ135 (Reply 238):
The larger one at 24 metres is definitely a part of an aircraft wing

Is that what you are told or can you tell that from looking at the image? Are you able to share the image?

Quoting ERJ135 (Reply 238):
extreme fuel range of the aircraft off the West coast of Australia near Perth.

You can't help but wonder the person flying the plane - given there was no mechanical issue(s) - knew that and intentionally made it run out of fuel there or whether he/she or they were hoping the 777 would make it somewhere.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-19 23:26:25 and read 34848 times.

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 240):

It's a Mercator type map so it would preserve direction. Perhaps the track deviation is due to wind as the winds in that part of the world are quite strong. Let me see if I can pull something from that day.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jelliesR
Posted 2014-03-19 23:27:47 and read 34896 times.

Quoting ERJ135 (Reply 238):
The theory of a Helios type tragedy is now most likely but is still speculation.

Why is that more likely than deliberate pilot choice, given the disabled comms, but enabled autopilot.
Just curious, other than, "well, he doesn't seem like the type to do such an unthinkable thing".

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2014-03-19 23:29:32 and read 34427 times.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 236):
i was hoping in the back of my mind they would find the plane intact somewhere....so that at least the people on board had a chance of coming home.

I would hope we were all hoping that until proven otherwise, regardless of how unlikely we thought it might be.

Quoting ERJ135 (Reply 238):
The theory of a Helios type tragedy is now most likely but is still speculation.

Not sure what has changed that would make you or anyone believe that. This debris appears to be right where we've thought it would be for the last several days. We knew the plane flew at least as far as the arc, and that it would be found somewhere between 0 and 60 minutes of flying time from that arc.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:30:00 and read 34417 times.

Did Abbott say anything definitive during his press conference?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: CaliAtenza
Posted 2014-03-19 23:31:31 and read 34269 times.

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 246):
I would hope we were all hoping that until proven otherwise, regardless of how unlikely we thought it might be.

that's why i was hoping FWF was right....i was just hoping in my mind that SEAL Team 6 would be storming the area, taking out the bad guys, and bringing those people home. Alas, if this turns out to be pieces of the plane, it was not to be  .

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: ciaran
Posted 2014-03-19 23:35:14 and read 33528 times.

Article debris after two weeks adrift


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/wo...odule=MoreInSection&pgtype=article

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2014-03-19 23:38:05 and read 32566 times.

Nothing FWF was really unique or profound. Most of it was blatant guesswork like calculating a route based on a miles number. I was thinking some of the same things in regards to a larger terrorist plot, but he did not seem to offer any real intel. Bottom line, I think you will find a whole lot more credible and interesting characters if you're looking for self important, verbose windbags on the internet. Seen this kind of masquerading on twitter a lot. He's everything that's wrong with twitter, or the world..

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 23:39:19 and read 32506 times.

Quoting ciaran (Reply 249):

The NYT is wrong about AF447 though. Debris was spotted in two days.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: CaliAtenza
Posted 2014-03-19 23:40:20 and read 32730 times.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 250):
Nothing FWF was really unique or profound. Most of it was blatant guesswork like calculating a route based on a miles number. I was thinking some of the same things in regards to a larger terrorist plot, but he did not seem to offer any real intel. Bottom line, I think you will find a whole lot more credible and interesting characters if you're looking for self important, verbose windbags on the internet. Seen this kind of masquerading on twitter a lot. He's everything that's wrong with twitter, or the world..

now, if this does indeed turn out to be the plane  , we have to figure out how the hell it got all the way down to the Indian Ocean...and whether it was deliberate or not.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:43:51 and read 32172 times.

Quoting ciaran (Reply 249):


I did not know the black boxes are on a two hour loop. Would they have stopped recording when the comm equipment was turned off? If so, then I think they would still be of use. Would the recorders have information about speed, direction, etc.? I think they would if they were on a two hour loop because the plane was still moving. And wouldn't they have stopped recording upon impact?

[Edited 2014-03-19 23:44:23]

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2014-03-19 23:44:47 and read 31854 times.

In regards to a next step, I guess good news (relatively) is, while not a picnic by any means, this is not one of the deeper parts of the ocean.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: milestones787
Posted 2014-03-19 23:47:17 and read 31354 times.

What is the ocean depth in this search area?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-19 23:47:22 and read 31362 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 253):

I did not know the black boxes are on a two hour loop.

CVR is 2 hours.
DFDR is 25 hours.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: chaseus1
Posted 2014-03-19 23:51:56 and read 30447 times.

If FWF was just relaying information from what he thought was a reliable source, then we shouldn't blame the messenger. If he was making things up, and passing them off as from a reliable source, then yeah, an apology may be in order.

He may have just been relaying info.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-19 23:52:16 and read 29973 times.

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 255):

Between 3 and 4 kilometers.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-19 23:53:04 and read 29908 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 256):
CVR is 2 hours.
DFDR is 25 hours.

Thank you, but what do those acronyms stand for?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tomlee
Posted 2014-03-19 23:56:20 and read 29111 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 259):

Cockpit Voice Recorder
Digital Flight Data Recorder (I think)

Both are digital based usually now anyways I think. (Using SSD like technology just inside a crash survivable casing with acoustic pinger)

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2014-03-20 00:01:06 and read 28281 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 259):
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 256):
CVR is 2 hours.
DFDR is 25 hours.

Thank you, but what do those acronyms stand for?

CVR = cockpit voice recorder
DFDR = digital flight data recorder
I.e., the two black boxes.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-20 00:01:14 and read 28920 times.

From Nick Dole at Australian Broadcasting Network:

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: chrcaremanav
Posted 2014-03-20 00:03:05 and read 27796 times.

quoting tomlee:

Yes the information is right for the acronym. Good job on Your part. Thanks and have a nice night. TO do a search on the web, is very easy to do so People should look and search. It take only seconds. Au Revoir!

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:06:34 and read 26827 times.

Quoting tomlee (Reply 260):
Cockpit Voice Recorder
Digital Flight Data Recorder (I think)

Thank you. I thought they mean something like that.

Quoting tomlee (Reply 260):
Both are digital based usually now anyways I think.

Because they are digital, or mostly digital, couldn't the manufacturers enable them to be accessed remotely if there is some sort of connection?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: turjo101
Posted 2014-03-20 00:07:25 and read 26948 times.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 263):

If the length is 24 m, the width seems too wide to be a wing. Does it not?!? Could this be a portion of the fuselage somehow ?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-20 00:07:51 and read 26848 times.

That's underwhelming...

Hope it's from the plane, though.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Nav30
Posted 2014-03-20 00:07:58 and read 26812 times.

Still nothing conclusive on our radio news. But lots of aircraft are being diverted to an area 'south-west of Perth.' Worth mentioning that, as far as I can judge, that sort of course would take the aeroplane quite close to Antarctica.

At least five aircraft and five ships have been ordered to proceed to the area

One conjecture I can offer. On available evidence, the aeroplane set off steering north-east, as far as I can tell. But it appears to have had some sort of incident in which it climbed to a height that far exceeded normal operating height; and then came down again and appears to have headed south-west, back to Malaysia.

Pure speculation from this point on. But it appears to be possible that something happened at that point - perhaps depressurisation or a fire in the cockpit or whatever. Meaning that the flight deck crew may have headed back to Malaysia intending to make an emergency landing? And/or that they and the passengers possibly died at that point? Leaving the aeroplane, on autopilot, to stay on its south-west track until it ran out of fuel?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-20 00:08:41 and read 26438 times.

Timestamp is 03/16... 4 days ago. Though I agree that multi-spectral image looks interesting.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: asmvpgold
Posted 2014-03-20 00:09:03 and read 26851 times.

From the AMS website
http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/images/DIGO_00718_01_14.jpg

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Aesma
Posted 2014-03-20 00:09:04 and read 26429 times.

Finally some news, or is there ? I woke up with the announcement that something has been found, but it doesn't look that definitive to me. Let's hope it's true.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Andrensn
Posted 2014-03-20 00:10:24 and read 26408 times.

There is a satellite image on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation website of what appears to be the debris field including the 24m piece
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-2...earch-amsa-satellite-image/5335062

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:11:22 and read 26062 times.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 263):

From Nick Dole at Australian Broadcasting Network:

How can people tell that is a wing from just looking at it?

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 262):
I.e., the two black boxes.

We should be able to have the data from the entire flight on the flight data recorder, right? It seems like, at least to me, that that information will be more useful than the voice recorder, especially if the person or people in command turned the recorder off. Won't the data recorders tell us if this was down by people or machine? It will tell speed, etc., all of which make it more useful, at least in my opinion.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2014-03-20 00:11:37 and read 26128 times.

Apparently there are better pictures that they can't release at this point, but yeah that's far from definitive.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tomlee
Posted 2014-03-20 00:12:19 and read 25473 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 266):
Because they are digital, or mostly digital, couldn't the manufacturers enable them to be accessed remotely if there is some sort of connection?

Technically you could remotely access them through a "broadband" datalink but your ISP (inmarsat, iridium) fees would be a bit crazy to say the least. There isn't really much reason to be dumping the data live and raw. Without a land cable internet is expensive almost the entire world is connected by fiber optic lines that run along the ocean floor, things like sat internet are pricey and slow (Latencies are high, spectrum use is tight, bandwidth is low, costs are high).

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: nm2582
Posted 2014-03-20 00:12:26 and read 25629 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 268):
That's underwhelming...

I agree..very underwhelming.

I hope it's from the plane too - only so that we can put an end to the madness and get to work solving the "what happened".

But these images hardly would give you the confidence to wager money one way or another.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-20 00:14:19 and read 25430 times.

Location of Sat pic in the coordinates released.

http://bit.ly/1eoof2Y

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:15:17 and read 25239 times.

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 273):
what appears to be the debris field including the 24m piece

Are the other speckles in the water possible materials from the 777?

Quoting Nav30 (Reply 269):
Pure speculation from this point on. But it appears to be possible that something happened at that point - perhaps depressurisation or a fire in the cockpit or whatever. Meaning that the flight deck crew may have headed back to Malaysia intending to make an emergency landing? And/or that they and the passengers possibly died at that point? Leaving the aeroplane, on autopilot, to stay on its south-west track until it ran out of fuel?

That is another good thought. I thought something about an emergency landing when you said "Malaysia" in the paragraph above that. When you said "Antarctica" I thought maybe someone was trying to intentionally trying to get it there.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: nm2582
Posted 2014-03-20 00:15:44 and read 25857 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 274):

How can people tell that is a wing from just looking at it?

The published dimensions (24m) match closely to being a wing; however after seeing the image and shape of the "object" - it sure doesn't look like a wing.

If I had to make a guess, I'd say it looks like a part of the fuselage barrel; fortunately it's not my job to hazard guesses at this.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2014-03-20 00:18:16 and read 24800 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 274):
We should be able to have the data from the entire flight on the flight data recorder, right?

I don't know the specs/memory size of a 777 DFDR but if the 25 hrs recording time stated before are correct then yes, the data should be there. If it wasn't switched off/taken off power.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: turjo101
Posted 2014-03-20 00:19:14 and read 24935 times.

From the first picture posted on this forum, it looks too wide to be a wing...

This may sound stupid, but could it be a whale, and the second smaller object being another whale mostly submerged?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tomlee
Posted 2014-03-20 00:19:42 and read 24966 times.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 268):

That's underwhelming...

Hope it's from the plane, though.

They have a spectral shot of it and we can't actually see the spectral data just by looking at the image and that can sometimes resolve stuff to without a doubt to be non-natural as the water around even the waves will have the similar response while something artificial could read differently.

http://www.digitalglobe.com/sites/default/files/DG-8SPECTRAL-WP_0.pdf

It basically sees more wavelengths (colours) than we could ever see on a screen and can filter things by their spectral response. (From UV to deep IR) Looking at a flattened image isn't going to help much without being able to look through the specific channels.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:20:40 and read 24425 times.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 275):
Apparently there are better pictures that they can't release at this point, but yeah that's far from definitive.

I would think it would be in their best interest to release them.

Quoting tomlee (Reply 276):


Thank you for that answer. I guess, also, that when the information would be needed - in the event of a crash - the plane would be unable to provide its own WiFi connection anyway.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 278):

That is really out there in the middle of no where. It makes me wonder that maybe something went wrong and no one was operating the plane. I say that because I cannot think of a reason why someone would deliberately fly a plane full of people into a remote ocean just to crash it. That could be done anywhere.

Could Australian military radar picked up the plane - when it was still flying - if it went down in that area?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: CaliAtenza
Posted 2014-03-20 00:23:41 and read 23951 times.

it looks like waves or whitecaps; i can't tell if its a man made object or not....

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: asmvpgold
Posted 2014-03-20 00:23:48 and read 24116 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 272):
Reply 272, posted s_lt(1395299344, 'l F j Y H:i:s');Thu Mar 20 2014 00:09:04 your local timeThu Mar 20 2014 00:09:04 UTC (4 secs ago) and read 3 times:

Finally some news, or is there ? I woke up with the announcement that something has been found, but it doesn't look that definitive to me. Let's hope it's true.

I agree... if those photos are what raised the alarm bells then I just discovered that I would fail miserably in a search and rescue career that involved looking at sat images! And if this is part of the plane.. then WOW.. kudos to whoever saw this image and thought it was something.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:23:49 and read 23948 times.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 281):
If it wasn't switched off/taken off power.

Are the black boxes able to function if the main and back-up plane power is turned off or malfunctions? It seems like they should if they are designed to monitor what goes on up front.

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 282):
This may sound stupid, but could it be a whale, and the second smaller object being another whale mostly submerged?

Does the P-8's radar detect whales or other marine animals?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tomlee
Posted 2014-03-20 00:23:58 and read 23943 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 284):
Thank you for that answer. I guess, also, that when the information would be needed - in the event of a crash - the plane would be unable to provide its own WiFi connection anyway.

Well satcom isn't really comparable to wifi exactly (more similar to cellphone just on a global scale) but for it to work in a crash the plane would basically have to be whole and intact at which point the ELT (emergency locator transmitter) would also work.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tomlee
Posted 2014-03-20 00:25:46 and read 23619 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 287):
Are the black boxes able to function if the main and back-up plane power is turned off or malfunctions? It seems like they should if they are designed to monitor what goes on up front.

If deliberately disabled by opening their breakers (not sure where) unless the black box has RIPS (recorder independent power system) it will stop recording. (With power backup it will only really record for 10 minutes or so)

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:26:00 and read 23594 times.

Quoting tomlee (Reply 288):
Well satcom isn't really comparable to wifi exactly (more similar to cellphone just on a global scale) but for it to work in a crash the plane would basically have to be whole and intact at which point the ELT (emergency locator transmitter) would also work.

Good point, but if the receiver/transmitter was contained within the device and was not dependent on the plane itself, could it still work?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: boacvc10
Posted 2014-03-20 00:27:12 and read 23323 times.

Quoting asmvpgold (Reply 271):
From the AMS website
http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/inciden...4.jpg

note the source of the image (digitalglobe) what resolution did that sensor have, do you think?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:27:32 and read 23255 times.

Quoting tomlee (Reply 289):
If deliberately disabled by opening their breakers (not sure where) unless the black box has RIPS (recorder independent power system) it will stop recording. (With power backup it will only really record for 10 minutes or so)

Oh, OK. Thanks for that. In the case of crashes then, I guess they are useful for what the stored leading up to the crash and not what was recorded during the actual incident, unless the functioned until post-incident.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-20 00:29:01 and read 22902 times.

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 282):

That's what I was just thinking, fish, dolphins, seals, penguins, whales. All could be potential pingbacks.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: seahawk
Posted 2014-03-20 00:29:08 and read 22912 times.

Pictures do not tell much.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: tomlee
Posted 2014-03-20 00:29:16 and read 23065 times.

Quoting asmvpgold (Reply 286):
I agree... if those photos are what raised the alarm bells then I just discovered that I would fail miserably in a search and rescue career that involved looking at sat images! And if this is part of the plane.. then WOW.. kudos to whoever saw this image and thought it was something.

I think the fact they show a side by side of the regular colour image beside the multi-spectral means that they looked at the difference in spectral response to what it looks like to the human eye and deemed it artificial and not a wave. Unlike Tomnod they probably can view this data easily (The images they posted are flattened so we can't really see what they see as our displays can't show it modified to accentuate the colours of interest) at least that is what I'm assuming they did.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:30:33 and read 22506 times.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 293):
All could be potential pingbacks.

You mean on radar, right?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: zeke
Posted 2014-03-20 00:30:55 and read 22689 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 284):
Could Australian military radar picked up the plane - when it was still flying - if it went down in that area?

It depends, the Jindalee radar installation in Western Australia has a 180 degree arc of coverage, however the radar is normally looking at specific tiles within that coverage at any particular time in accordance with current government policy, it is not normally staffed 24/7. The prevailing government policy is with boarder protection, so one would assume the tiles being looked at would be to the north, not over the southern ocean.

What the radar can do however now is look at the surface where the objects have been detected and should be able to see a piece of debris 24m long. The location of the search aircraft/vessles can be fed into the radar system to improve accuracy, they also use meteor showers to improve the long range accuracy.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2014-03-20 00:31:12 and read 22643 times.

I am guessing they have better images/information to prevent them coming back at this point having to tell us "oh, it was a fish" .

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:32:34 and read 22703 times.

Just got this CNN alert:

"Crew combing Indian Ocean for MH370 gets radar hits of 'significant size,' indicating something below surface, ABC News says."


I think we have been discussing that for at least two hours.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:34:19 and read 21855 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 297):

Thank you.

Quoting zeke (Reply 297):
What the radar can do however now is look at the surface where the objects have been detected and should be able to see a piece of debris 24m long.

Do we know if the ground radar has detected that?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: wxmeddler
Posted 2014-03-20 00:35:29 and read 21822 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 296):

Or whatever they are using, radar, sonar, forward looking lidar, etc. is all just electromagnetic waves at different frequencies. These waves bounce off "things", those things could be any things, all depends on the sensitivity of the equipment and the software that processes those "things". I don't know the capabilities or type of systems they use on that particular aircraft.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: Mike89406
Posted 2014-03-20 00:35:57 and read 21962 times.

If anyone's interested CNN and FOX are talking about the debris finding.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: zeke
Posted 2014-03-20 00:42:48 and read 20686 times.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 300):
Do we know if the ground radar has detected that?

No, and I think they would be using whatever they have available to try and find it. The radar can also pickup the sea state. The DIGO is not something that makes the news, it is normally kept out of the press, just like Jindalee.

What I would like to point out is that the imagery was captured on March 16, at midday local time at the detection area. It is already over 4 days old. This probably means satellites were tasked after the two possible paths were established to image the areas, and they have been running software over the data to search for objects. This is the results of that.

I do not expect the debris to be in the same location after 4+ days.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: LTC8K6
Posted 2014-03-20 00:50:28 and read 19648 times.

I just don't see anything interesting in the pics. I'll be pleasantly surprised if they are pics of parts of 9M-MRO.

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2014-03-20 00:53:26 and read 19498 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 300):
I do not expect the debris to be in the same location after 4+ days.

I agree with that.

Quoting zeke (Reply 300):
This probably means satellites were tasked after the two possible paths were established to image the areas, and they have been running software over the data to search for objects. This is the results of that.

Does that, in essence, mean that they had the photos and run them through a computer to look for things out of the ordinary and they found the piece of debris that is now in question?

Topic: RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38
Username: SA7700
Posted 2014-03-20 00:53:53 and read 20601 times.

Due to length this thread will locked for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 39 which is available here:

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39 (by SA7700 Mar 20 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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SA7700


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