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Topic: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Jiml1126
Posted 2002-03-02 19:19:12 and read 2910 times.

Latest edition of German aviation magazine "Aero", has revealed the 5 safest airlines in the world. They are:

1. ANA - All Nippon Airways
2. Qantas
3. Finnair
4. Cathay Pacific
5. Austrian Airlines

These are the only 5 airlines that never had any fatal accident since 1973.

The latest census included 61 major airlines worldwide.

Japan Air System stands at #11, in which the company has fatal accident in 1993 in japanese local airport. JAL stands at #35, due to the B747SR crash in 1985, killing 520.

The airlines with the most casualties in the fatal accidents since 1973 are:

Avianca
Aeroflot
Air India

At least 4564 lifes lost on Aeroflot's fatal accident since 1973.

ドイツ航空誌「アエロ」最新号が掲載した世界の主要航空会社の安全度調査によると、全日空がカンタス航空(オーストラリア)、フィンランド航空、キャセイ航空(香港)、オーストリア航空と並んで最も安全と評価された。調査によると、5社はいずれも73年以降、墜落や火災など機体損壊を伴う死亡事故を起こしていない。

 調査は主要61社が対象で、73年以降の死者数と運航実績を基に安全度を指数化した。乱気流などが原因の事故は調査の対象外。

 日本エアシステムも11位と高い評価。93年に花巻空港で着陸に失敗し機体が炎上、負傷者を出したが、調査対象期間中に死亡事故が起きていない。日航は85年のジャンボ機墜落事故の影響で35位だった。

 運航実績当たりの死者数が最も多かったのは南米のコロンビア航空。エア・インディア(インド)やアエロフロート(ロシア)も下位にランクされ、特にアエロフロートは対象期間中の死者が4564人にも達していた。(ベルリン共同)(毎日新聞)

Source: Yahoo! Japan

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: TxAgKuwait
Posted 2002-03-02 19:36:27 and read 2733 times.

They conveniently overlooked Southwest, which has not had a fatal accident in its history. They began flying in 1971.

What makes them probably most remarkable is the fact they fly so many short haul routes, the number of cycles they have accumulated is much greater than one would expect from an air carrier their size (roughly 350 aircraft).

Yes, they did have sort of an interesting landing at Burbank, and they were probably fortunate nobody was injured or worse.

They don't brag about their safety record. But it is ought there.....31 yrs, a whole bunch of flights, no accidents involving passenger fatalities.

Why does everyone forget about them?

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Pressclub
Posted 2002-03-02 19:38:34 and read 2703 times.

Until the bankrupcy in november, Sabena was also on this list...
Their last crash was in 1964

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Sccutler
Posted 2002-03-02 19:41:58 and read 2679 times.

Since the truest measure of safety is on per-cycle measure, WN's record stands preeminent.

Based upon that lists composition, perhapos they were reviewing only International carriers?

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Jiml1126
Posted 2002-03-02 19:55:31 and read 2656 times.

They only included 61 major international airlines.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: B737-700
Posted 2002-03-02 20:06:00 and read 2642 times.

You can view it only http://www.aerointernational.de
It's only in German though.

Southwest is listed on 6th together with airlines like Sabena, America West, LTU, JAS, Hapag Lloyd.
They apparently all have lost one airplane but without any fatalities.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Jean Leloup
Posted 2002-03-02 20:07:13 and read 2641 times.

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but is anybody else getting very disillusioned with thtese surveyys? (No offnese to you for posting i of course, Jiml1126). these types of reports seem to come up all the time and if I'm not mistaken, the results seem always to be different. I'm thinking specifically of Air Canada. I've seen them near the top of these reports, and a couple years ago they were voted #1 in a German (I think) report, ahead of Ansett and Qantas. Air Canada even made a press release, folllowing this, aking advantage of the possibility. And yet, here we are a few years later, and AC has certainly not had any major incidents at all since then, and now it's no in the top 5? I don't get it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Air Canada fan, it's just that these "safest" airline reporty are starting to get to me because they seem so arbitrary! Any thoughts?

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: GuyBetsy1
Posted 2002-03-02 20:12:37 and read 2620 times.

I suppose Austrian Airlines did not include Lauda Air. They had a fatal accident in mid 80's on a flight between Bangkok and Vienna.

Also Cathay Pacific did have a fatal crash ... but it was in July 1972 between Bangkok and HongKong. It was a terrorist act... more like a jealous lover... !

I remembered that flight specifically because my parents flew from HK to Singapore the day before on the same aircraft. That aircraft proceeded on to BKK the next day and then crashed just prior the Vietnamese coast enroute to HKG. It was a 707.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2002-03-02 22:15:13 and read 2565 times.

Where's British airways and Virgin in the list? They've never had an accident in their time.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: VgnAtl747
Posted 2002-03-02 22:20:51 and read 2553 times.

I agree. BA and VS should be on the list.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: B737-700
Posted 2002-03-02 22:22:26 and read 2549 times.


Virgin is indicated as "top class" = 0 loses.

British Airways (BOAC / BEA)
5 planes lost
67 fatalities

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: NorthStarDC4M
Posted 2002-03-02 22:24:18 and read 2550 times.

I guess it all comes down to how you evaluate the stats...
Air Canada was voted safest on fewest hull losses per hour of flight time, best safety regualtions, best maintenance and a few other factors.
All those airlines have never had a crash but they all have less flight hours, lower maintenance standards (not to say they arent excellent in their own right) etc etc

BTW British Airways HAS had crashes, many...
or need i point out Sarajevo and Manchester (ok that was British Airtours, but it was a BA owned/maintianed plane with a BA crew) not to mention all the crashes BEA, BOAC and BCAL had over the years...

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Sabena 690
Posted 2002-03-02 22:31:42 and read 2531 times.

Some months ago I read in the newspapers that Sabena was the safest companie in the world. But they went bankrupt...  Crying

Frederic

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2002-03-02 22:31:58 and read 2530 times.

I was referring to the modern BA, not the old BOAC, BCAL etc. BA has one of the best engineering facilities in the world in British airways engineering hangar at LHR, renowned worldwide for it's engineering brilliance.

Anyway where's Lufthansa, cant recall any LH hull loses in many years. LH has a excellent engineering facility in Lufthansa Teknic.

Regards
Arsenal@LHR

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Nfx
Posted 2002-03-02 22:40:25 and read 2525 times.

BA did have at least on fatal accident:

On Sep 10 1976 a BA Trident collided mid-air with an Inex Adria DC9 over Croatia. No survivors.

VS never had an accident but they`re not as long around as the airline mentioned above.

Also Sabena had at least five fatal accidents between 1952 and 1961 with a total of 222 people being killed.

After all the article taken from Aero Int. is not that precise:
Both LT and HF did loose a plane LT lost a TriStar in DUS due to a fire while maintaining, HF lost an A310 in VIE due to fuel shortage.
BUT remember there were pax on the A310 while on the TriStar there were none!


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Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Jiml1126
Posted 2002-03-02 23:13:12 and read 2505 times.

Southwest is listed on 6th together with airlines like Sabena, America West, LTU, JAS, Hapag Lloyd.
They apparently all have lost one airplane but without any fatalities.


JAS does have fatalities during 1993 crash.

Lauda Air accident was 1991.

Air Canada wasn't the safest, according to "Aero International", is because their regional connector has a crash in 1998 (I think).

Also Cathay Pacific did have a fatal crash ... but it was in July 1972 between Bangkok and HongKong. It was a terrorist act... more like a jealous lover... !

The census started from 1973...:D

I think they picked the airline that already exists in 1973. So that's why Virgin Atlantic is not on the list.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Ironchain15
Posted 2002-03-03 00:02:42 and read 2472 times.

Vanguard also has not had any fatalities and they have not had any planes written off either. I really hope they stay as safe as they have been.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: BWIrwy4
Posted 2002-03-03 03:39:05 and read 2434 times.

AC had a DC-9 fire that caused about 20 fatalities. That was in 1983.

A Lufthansa A320 overran the runway in 1993, killing 2.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: HA_DC9
Posted 2002-03-03 04:43:47 and read 2414 times.

Where is HA? They have been in business since 1929 and have never had a fatality.

Topic: ATA
Username: Fly_ATA
Posted 2002-03-03 04:54:38 and read 2411 times.

ATA has never had a fatal accident since since the inception ( 1973).

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Samurai 777
Posted 2002-03-03 04:59:37 and read 2408 times.

About Air Canada, there have been two fatal incidents, and another that could've been much worse in terms of fatalities.

On June 3, 1983, an AC DC-9-32 caught fire while in Cincinnati, OH. 23 people died as a result.

On March 10, 1989, an Air Ontario Fokker F28 crashed after takeoff, I believe, near Dryden, Ontario. (Air Ontario was an AC regional subsidiary) 24 people were killed by this crash. Icing of the wings has been determined as a cause.

In Decmber, 1997, an AC CRJ crashed upon landing in Fredericton, New Brunswick during heavy fog. Thankfully, there were no fatalities. Pilot error and lack of training apparently were causes leading to the incident. The crash itself also spurred a huge concern over the quality of airport firefighting services across Canada, which many say had declined seriously since Transport Canada did major cutbacks. But that's a different story altogether.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Skyway1
Posted 2002-03-03 05:08:49 and read 2398 times.

Midwest Express has an excellent safety record. They only have one fatal accident, in September 1985 a DC9-10(100ME) crashed on takeoff at MKE due to engine failure. I think there were 30 fatalities.

Chris

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Lindy
Posted 2002-03-03 05:22:17 and read 2411 times.

Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities


07.05.1970 Air Canada McDonnell Douglas DC-8-63 109:109
Toronto, Ontario, Canada CF-TIW


06.26.1978 Air Canada McDonnell Douglas DC-9-32 2:107
Toronto, Ontario, Canada CF-TLV


06.02.1982 Air Canada McDonnell Douglas DC-9-32 0:0
Montreal, Canada CF-TLY


06.02.1983 Air Canada McDonnell Douglas DC-9-32 23:46
Covington, Kentucky, USA C-FTLU


07.23.1983 Air Canada Boeing 767-233 0:69
Gimli, Canada C-GAUN


12.16.1997 Air Canada Bombardier Canadair CRJ100 0:42
Fredericton, Canada C-FSKI


Here is Lufthansa

Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities


01.11.1959 Lufthansa Lockheed L-1049G 36:39
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil D-ALAK


01.29.1966 Lufthansa Convair CV-440 46:46
Bremen, Germany D-ACAT


11.20.1974 Lufthansa Boeing 747-130 59:157
Nairobi, Kenya D-ABYB


09.14.1993 Lufthansa Airbus A320-111 2:70
Warsaw, Poland D-AIPN


Here is about ANA

Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities


08.12.1958 All Nippon Airways Douglas DC-3 33:33
Sakiya Saugye, Japan JA5045


02.04.1966 All Nippon Airways Boeing 727-81 133:133
Tokyo, Japan JA8302


11.13.1966 All Nippon Airways NAMC YS-11 50:50
Matsuyama, Japan JA8658


07.30.1971 All Nippon Airways Boeing 727-281 163:164
Morioko, Japan JA8329


Qantas never had fatality:

Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities


08.24.1960 Qantas Airways Lockheed L-1049G 0:50
Plaisance, Mauritius VH-EAC


09.23.1999 Qantas Airways Boeing 747-438 0:407
Bangkok, Thailand VH-OJH


Finnair had two crashes but long time ago:

Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities


01.03.1961 Finnair Douglas DC-3 25:25
Koivulahti, Finland OH-LCC


11.08.1963 Finnair Douglas DC-3 22:24
Mariehamn, Finland OH-LCA


Cathay Pacific:

Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities


07.23.1954 Cathay Pacific Airways Douglas DC-4 10:18
Hainan, China VR-HEU


06.15.1972 Cathay Pacific Airways Convair CV-880 81:81
Pleiku, Vietnam VR-HFZ


Austrian Airlines:
Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities


09.26.1960 Austrian Airlines Vickers Viscount 31:37
Moscow, Russia OE-LAF


This info is from Airdisaster.com

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Samurai 777
Posted 2002-03-03 05:31:26 and read 2383 times.

I should've said that those accidents in my previous thread on Air Canada are those that have occured within the last 20 years.

Before 1983, AC has had 7 fatal accidents. In 1938, a Lockheed Electra crashed near Regina, SK and in 1941, another Lockheed Electra crashed in the US. No exact figures I have been able to find out, but I'm sure must have been some (hopefully not!).

In 1956, a TCAL (Tran Canada Airlines - AC's old name) DC-4 crashed into a mountainside due to engine failure, killing 62 people on board.

In 1957, 35 people died as a result of a DC-4M having been involved in midair collision near Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan.

1963 - a DC-8 stalled in Montreal, killing 118.

1970 - a DC-8-63 crashed in YYZ upon landing, causing 109 fatalities.

1978 - a DC-9-32 in YYZ had a burst tire. Two people died as a result.

I do not know how accurate all this info was, but all this was found on a website dealing with worldwide fatal accidents from 1920 to 2000.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Delta-flyer
Posted 2002-03-03 05:45:36 and read 2378 times.

One of the problems with analyzing safety is that some airlines fly more hours in one year than others since their inception. That makes comparisons based on accident statistics difficult or impossible.

I suspect that Delta or United or American have flown more aircraft hours since their last accident than, say, Sabena has since their last acciodent in 1961, or Cathay Pacific since their last in 1972. The megacarriers can really rack up the hours.

Therefore, the best indicator is an assessment of the various airlines' practises that relate to safety, such as maintenence, pilot training, age of fleet, etc.

Cheers
Pete

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: AA717driver
Posted 2002-03-03 15:57:43 and read 2307 times.

I think one factor gets overlooked when considering safety--violations. Yes, some of the FAR violations can be chickens**t. But, if an airline's mx and flight crews are consistently fined for violating regualtions, there is a serious safety problem. It may not manifest itself with hull losses, but, it only takes one crash if you happen to be on that aircraft.TC

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Kdonohue
Posted 2002-03-04 01:50:24 and read 2230 times.

What about Air China? Don't believe they've had any fatal accidents.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: QANTASforever
Posted 2002-03-04 03:44:45 and read 2207 times.

I've got to be honest here and present my personal point of view. I have a number of United flights coming up soon and I have to say that I am more than a little apprehensive about it. With all the Sept. 11. and related incidents at the moment I'm seriously considering changing airlines. To the travelling public it doesnt matter how many cycles you do, how big your fleet is or your frequency to however many destinations you fly to; if you have more that 5 publicised fatal crashes within a decade, your airlines reputation will be tarnished for a long time.

my two cents.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Jmacias34
Posted 2002-03-04 04:39:04 and read 2187 times.

Spirit Airlines has not had a fatal accident. I know they do not deal with the volumes that the majors do, but safe is safe no matter how you look at it.

Topic: RE: Safest Airlines : Top 5
Username: Paulc
Posted 2002-03-04 08:50:26 and read 2158 times.

Tap Air Portugal have not had a fatal accident since they were formed in 1945 - are they on the list?


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