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Topic: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Keesje
Posted 2002-03-08 18:45:18 and read 2058 times.

I have the feeling the 762ER, although it is not so much in the spotlights, has a bright future.


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Airlines like DL, Co, UA in the US and KL, AF and others in Europe could use it to open up new transatlantic services.

Or, in some situations, keep flights open were other types (763/764s, A330/40s, 777s, 747's) become just too big.

Has the 762ER any competition ? : The nearest airbus A330-200 is much bigger, the A330-100 is far away and the A310 won't be produced much longer.

The 767-200ER has a great state-off the art interior (777 style bins), generous 2-2-2 or 2-1-2 business and 2-3-2 economy interiors and great IFE options :


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like this similar 764ER ..

I think Boeing has a long range winner here.

What do you think ?


Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Godbless
Posted 2002-03-08 18:47:57 and read 1929 times.

Well Boeing sold 10 of them in the last 10 years or so... Sounds like a bright future...

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Keesje
Posted 2002-03-08 18:56:44 and read 1907 times.

Wow that's not so good ..

Is it perhaps to expensive compared to a 767-300ER ?

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Corsairf/a
Posted 2002-03-08 18:57:41 and read 1900 times.

AF swichted from B767 to A330!!!

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: TransSwede
Posted 2002-03-08 19:00:19 and read 1898 times.

Noone buys 767-200's anymore...

For a lot of airlines, like SAS, using the 767-200ER on intercontinental proved to be just too expensive. With crew rest areas and extra crew shifts, there just wasn't enough space left for enough paying passengers with long-haul luxuries to make it profitable. So SAS sold their -200's pretty quickly. I suspect most other airlines had the same experience.

Domestically, you can squeze in many more seats, that's why the 767-200 still goes strong on the US domestic and intre-european market. But for how long? The 757-200/300 and A321 is taking over more and more.

The true replacement for the 767-200ER in intercontinental is really the A330-200. It is larger, yet as small as it can get while still enabling long-distance flights with acceptable profit margins. The order books prove this - The A330-200 is the aircraft of choice for smaller medium to long haul flights, and the new craze for charter airlines.

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: TransSwede
Posted 2002-03-08 19:04:16 and read 1879 times.

As for the 767-300ER and 767-400, they have a slightly brighter future, but they are also getting killed by the A330-200/300 in sales. And the 777 is eating into many 767 sales as well - Why have a 767-400 the 777-200 is so close in capcity? Most Boeing customers just go for the 777 directly.

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: UAL1837
Posted 2002-03-08 19:41:44 and read 1840 times.

Look at it this way...air traffic is down a heck of a lot after 9/11...when the airlines start picking up again and need to add capacity, they may want to order the baby-jumbo (767-200ER), to have an intercontinental jet without the huge size.

On the other hand...the public is quite familiar with the 767-200 after the World Trade Center disaster...you think passengers are at all scared to fly on the 757/767 after 9/11?

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Donder10
Posted 2002-03-08 20:09:12 and read 1803 times.

Most passengers dont have a clue what plane they are on

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: TransSwede
Posted 2002-03-08 20:19:59 and read 1778 times.

>Most passengers dont have a clue what plane they are on

No, but airlines do, and they are the ones that decide which plane to buy.  Smile

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: TransSwede
Posted 2002-03-08 20:21:30 and read 1780 times.

Opps, I didn't see who you were replying to, Donder10...

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: LY744
Posted 2002-03-08 22:21:28 and read 1729 times.

The only 762's that have the 777 interior are the ones that CO operates. The 762ER had it's best sales in the mid to late 80's, before the introduction of the 763ER. Airlines like AA, US, AC, RG, LY, QF, BY, SAA, ET, and UA (and, of course, CO) already operate it.

LY744.

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Gmonney
Posted 2002-03-08 23:43:13 and read 1680 times.

What they would have to do is introduce a 767-500 and take the philosiphy of the 737, just build different sizes....kind of like a 767NG. Make a 762 size with all the updates of the new 764 that will be coming out....

How about that for an idea?

Grant....

P.S. I see this as a very profitable aircraft for both domestic and overseas flight....???

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Boeing nut
Posted 2002-03-08 23:49:07 and read 1665 times.

Actually, Boeing was studying the idea of putting -400 upgrades on the -300 for a while. I don't know what the status if that project is now. Porbably in jeopardy with the Sonic Cruiser proposal.

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: The Coachman
Posted 2002-03-09 00:29:12 and read 1642 times.

B767-500 = B757-300

but with 2 aisles instead of 1. Same capacity.

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Woodsboy
Posted 2002-03-09 00:29:17 and read 1641 times.

In the configuration that CO uses on the -200ERs, it seats exactly 8 more than their 737-900 168 as opposed to 175 (albiet, with more range) and 14 less than a domestic 757-200. As beautiful as COs 762ERs are, I cant see them being all that profitable. I guess case in point is the A310, 20 years and about 250 sales, thats not a steller number for such a long production run.

I guess if you need the range and less capacity then the 762 might be a good fit, but what was mentioned above about crew rest quarters and even cargo capacity (which makes money on long haul routes) is lacking.

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: LY744
Posted 2002-03-09 00:56:40 and read 1624 times.

"Make a 762 size with all the updates of the new 764 that will be coming out"

Sounds like CO's new 762's to me!  Big thumbs up

LY744.

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Trintocan
Posted 2002-03-09 02:28:19 and read 1597 times.

I cannot say that the 762/762ER has much of a future as far as sales go. It may be a stellar performer but the small capacity is a problem. Charter operators would prefer a type offeing greater pax capacity (hence the popularity of the 763, 753 and 332) and sceduled carriers would look for more cargo space. For specific routes and operations the 762 may still be good but its niche has matured somewhat and so roles in which it may have been suited before may not now be so.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: Boeing 767-200ER, A Great Future If You Ask Me ..
Username: Mls515
Posted 2002-03-09 02:42:40 and read 1588 times.




Well, if Boeing operates the line such that any version of the 767 can be produced, I see no problem with keeping it on the books.


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