Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3177 times:
Jurst saw this on CNN...
China Airlines (of Taiwan) will be first to fly to China, but is
this a good idea? No doubt it was a political decision by
the Chinese government, in order to give the impression
that Taiwan is indeed an integral part of China.
The flight will make a technical stop in HKG... does anyone
know if it will be refueled there? The reporter said the
plane may simply land, stop/taxi for a few minutes and be
given clearance to take-off immediately... (in order to
comply with Taiwan's regulation on no nonstop flight to
China) Can anyone confirm this info?
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
So the planes won't even let some pax off and maybe other pax carry on their journey? Like mentioned wouldnt they do that somewhere cheaper like in Macau??? AFAIK, CLK has one of the highest landing fees around... and ya know, they might as well just do a touch and go like Cxcx330 sed :-P
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3087 times:
from what I've read, the Chinese gov't did not want to let
EVA Air to be the first to fly.... as you know EVA Air's boss
is a supporter of Taiwan's pro-independence President...
On the other hand, China Airlines is seen as more
Taiwan's government insisted on landing in Hong Kong
so the flight won't be nonstop from mainland China to
Taiwan... the "official" reason was for national security...
Did they forget the fact the Hong Kong is part of the
People's Republic and the PLA troops are stationed only
a short drive away from HKIA?
This will not be the first time a China Airilnes plane has
flown to China... remember the 747F that was hijacked
and landed in China... That CI captain decided to defect
to China and what better way than flying his own 747F?
Air Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1517 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2925 times:
Bobcat is quite right. As a Communist Regime, China makes its decisions are all very political. Politics is what they care about. Let alone if the Evergreen Group is pro-independence (IMHO they are VERY "Taiwanese" instead of "Chinese"), the Chinese government is not and will not give EVA Air/ Uni Air any priveledge that exceeds the ones given to China Airlines/ Mandarin. For god sakes EVA was the first airline to broadcast inflight announcements in Taiwanese (along with Chinese and English). They cannot deny that they're far more "BEN TOO" (local) then CAL/ Mandarin!
Anyways, it's good to see Taiwanese airlines able to fly to the mainland. Hope one day they can have direct flights. (then what's HK and especially Macau (who depends heavily on Taiwanese transferring pax) going to do?)
Air Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1517 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
Also I think that's why EVA Air has just changed their slogan from "The Wings of Taiwan" (which I think fits them perfectly), to "Just Relax, Your Home in the Air -- EVA Air" (which I think is total crap and extremely uncharacteristic).
Bigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
EVA Air changed it's slogan as part of the campaign for 10 years celebration in 2001. That's why they unveiled a new livery as part of the "change".
And the reason why EVA Air only fly 1 route is because plane shortage, as I mentioned in the other post. It has nothing to do with political reason, so STOP politicalizing regarding EVA Air's China charter.
Chiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 890 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
you have no clue to what you are talking about. Even though YF Chung's relationship with President Chen has deteriorated. It does not mean that YF Chung is not backing independence movement. YF Chung has not only supported DDP since early stage. Mr. Chung also spent quiet bit of a money making a Taiwan pro-independence program that aired on PBS about 5 years ago. In which Pro-independent DDP member gave a detail history of Taiwan's struggle to become a independent democracy society.
Because of Evergreen's chairman's strong behind the scene help of promoting the Taiwanese independence for so many years. The Chinese government has always been against EVA Air group from getting any favorable treatment. This why Uni Air did not get the TPE-HKG route while Mandarin did. The whole talk almost broke down because Chinese government refused to allow EVA group taking all of the new alloted flights between HKG and TPE.
The only problem is mainland supporter always negelect the fact and decide to live under a dream world.
Air Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1517 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
With all due respect, I think when you grow older, you'll realise what people say (especially what companies says) is always to their advantage, not necessarily the truth. For example you know how when the government introduced the "no plastic bags policy" from this year, many shops are like "oh but the paper bags are easy to break, thus causing inconvenience", but in reality it is because the paper bags are more expensive to get compared to the plastic ones... you see, people don't always stick to the truth...
Anyways, I used to love EVA Air a lot, but it has somehow changed through the years (and AFAIK many people agree). I hope they can be more unique and be more... Taiwanese...
Hkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1230 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2821 times:
Only politics between the two (China & Taiwan) can result in CI making a 'technical' stop in Hong Kong, i.e. refueling when there is no need to or if it's just landing, taxing for a few minutes before taking off again. As others have said, why not stop in Macau instead of Hong Kong as it's much more expensive in HKG?
If they're this close to signing an air services agreement or something of that sort, It should just be a direct flight (I know, I know, politics, but still!).
But this is one step closer to having *direct* flights between China & Taiwan.
Bigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
Again, I say STOP politicalizing this topic. It seems like Taiwanese always wanted to have every campaign/policy being politicalized, it's a real shame.
The Chinese government has always been against EVA Air group from getting any favorable treatment. This why Uni Air did not get the TPE-HKG route while Mandarin did. The whole talk almost broke down because Chinese government refused to allow EVA group taking all of the new alloted flights between HKG and TPE.
Yes, China Government is very upset with Evergreen Group's pro-Taiwan independence.
HOWEVER, China has been very "nice" about this stuff. If China hates Evergreen Group enough, they could simply disapproving EVA/UNI's application.
UNI Air didn't receive HKG flight approval by China is because EVA Air flies both Macau and Hong Kong. EVA controls a bigger market share, almost surpassing CX and CI because EVA can have flexible combination for travellers to/from China. This is the adventage that CI and CX don't have.
Despite YF Chung is pro-independence, but it has begun leaning away slightly, because he has to do investments in China. He's throwing millions and millions of dollars in China, what's the excuse that Chinese Authority gonna use to refuse EVA/UNI's application?
And Air Taiwan, I doubted that I have to grow older to realise, because you don't know the real me.