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China Airlines Will Be First To Fly To China, But,  
User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Jurst saw this on CNN...

China Airlines (of Taiwan) will be first to fly to China, but is
this a good idea? No doubt it was a political decision by
the Chinese government, in order to give the impression
that Taiwan is indeed an integral part of China.

The flight will make a technical stop in HKG... does anyone
know if it will be refueled there? The reporter said the
plane may simply land, stop/taxi for a few minutes and be
given clearance to take-off immediately... (in order to
comply with Taiwan's regulation on no nonstop flight to
China) Can anyone confirm this info?

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User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Wouldn't it be uneconomical to pay the fees to "simply land, stop/taxi for a few minutes and be given clearance to take-off " ? YYou'd think they'd do that somewhere cheaper i.e. Macau.

Airbus_A340



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User currently offlineCxcx330 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

So why not a "Touch & Go"?  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Well, since CI is the largest carrier in Taiwan, so it doesn't make any surprises that CI is the first to go.

Yes, the planes will just landing then depart.


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

So the planes won't even let some pax off and maybe other pax carry on their journey? Like mentioned wouldnt they do that somewhere cheaper like in Macau??? AFAIK, CLK has one of the highest landing fees around... and ya know, they might as well just do a touch and go like Cxcx330 sed :-P

User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

from what I've read, the Chinese gov't did not want to let
EVA Air to be the first to fly.... as you know EVA Air's boss
is a supporter of Taiwan's pro-independence President...
On the other hand, China Airlines is seen as more
re-unification-minded....  Smile

Taiwan's government insisted on landing in Hong Kong
so the flight won't be nonstop from mainland China to
Taiwan... the "official" reason was for national security...
Did they forget the fact the Hong Kong is part of the
People's Republic and the PLA troops are stationed only
a short drive away from HKIA?

This will not be the first time a China Airilnes plane has
flown to China... remember the 747F that was hijacked
and landed in China... That CI captain decided to defect
to China and what better way than flying his own 747F? Big grin




User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

the Chinese gov't did not want to let EVA Air to be the first to fly

Why? They didnt want the pax to live long enough to make it to mainland China??  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineStandby87 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

I think it's called "loss of face" - to let "pro-Independence" EVA in there first ahead of China Airlines would look very bad to the generals who run China Airlines.




User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Actually, only two airlines are stopping in Hong Kong:
China Airlines and Mandarin Airlines

The other four airlines are stopping in Macau:
EVA Air, UNI Air, TransAsia, and Far Eastern

China Airlines, Mandarin Airlines, EVA Air, and Far Eastern will be flying Taipei-Shanghai. UNI Air and TransAsia will be flying Kaohsiung-Shanghai.

Looking at the schedules, the flights won't be "touch and go." Flights for TransAsia will be staying in Macau for 40 minutes.

I think most airlines will be operating on a loss for these chartered flights. However, I guess the airlines are flying to Shanghai for its historical significance.

-alexchao


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Bobcat:

Please change your info about the relationship between Evergreen Group and Taiwan President.

YF Chung is very angered by President Chen Shui-Bian's policy about direct link between Taiwan and China. As a result, their relationship has fall apart.

The first flight between Taiwan and China has nothing to do with EVA Air and President.



User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

PLA soldiers are at least 40 minutes from the airport  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

As for the CI flight, here are the details.

JAN 26th 2003

05:55 CI 585 Taipei China Airlines
06:45 CI 585 Shanghai/Pudong China Airlines

13:25 CI 586 Shanghai/Pudong China Airlines
14:15 CI 586 Taipei China Airlines

Cx flyboy told me yesterday that fuel in Taiwan is not cheap so they may get a little extra during the stop in Hong Kong !!


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Where did you get the flight number?

By the way, China Eastern is handling EVA Air's, who is handeling CI in PVG?


User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

China Eastern is handling for BR, B7, CI, and AE.

-alexchao


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3495 times:

Bobcat is quite right. As a Communist Regime, China makes its decisions are all very political. Politics is what they care about. Let alone if the Evergreen Group is pro-independence (IMHO they are VERY "Taiwanese" instead of "Chinese"), the Chinese government is not and will not give EVA Air/ Uni Air any priveledge that exceeds the ones given to China Airlines/ Mandarin. For god sakes EVA was the first airline to broadcast inflight announcements in Taiwanese (along with Chinese and English). They cannot deny that they're far more "BEN TOO" (local) then CAL/ Mandarin!

Anyways, it's good to see Taiwanese airlines able to fly to the mainland. Hope one day they can have direct flights. (then what's HK and especially Macau (who depends heavily on Taiwanese transferring pax) going to do?)

Jimmy
in Taiwan~
returnin to SYD at end of month~


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3493 times:

Also I think that's why EVA Air has just changed their slogan from "The Wings of Taiwan" (which I think fits them perfectly), to "Just Relax, Your Home in the Air -- EVA Air" (which I think is total crap and extremely uncharacteristic).

Jimmy


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

Air Taiwan:

EVA Air changed it's slogan as part of the campaign for 10 years celebration in 2001. That's why they unveiled a new livery as part of the "change".

And the reason why EVA Air only fly 1 route is because plane shortage, as I mentioned in the other post. It has nothing to do with political reason, so STOP politicalizing regarding EVA Air's China charter.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Just Relax, Your Home in the Air -- EVA Air" (which I think is total crap and extremely uncharacteristic).

Lighten up and read between the lines.... what they're trying to say is "Just Relax, at Least with Us You'll Land in 1 Piece -- EVA Air"  Big grin


User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

Interesting! When I first saw EVA Air's new slogan in their TV ads here in Hong Kong, I can't help but feel that they are indeed lampooning CI. Guess we all know why!!  Laugh out loud

'949


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Bigo747,

you have no clue to what you are talking about. Even though YF Chung's relationship with President Chen has deteriorated. It does not mean that YF Chung is not backing independence movement. YF Chung has not only supported DDP since early stage. Mr. Chung also spent quiet bit of a money making a Taiwan pro-independence program that aired on PBS about 5 years ago. In which Pro-independent DDP member gave a detail history of Taiwan's struggle to become a independent democracy society.

Because of Evergreen's chairman's strong behind the scene help of promoting the Taiwanese independence for so many years. The Chinese government has always been against EVA Air group from getting any favorable treatment. This why Uni Air did not get the TPE-HKG route while Mandarin did. The whole talk almost broke down because Chinese government refused to allow EVA group taking all of the new alloted flights between HKG and TPE.

The only problem is mainland supporter always negelect the fact and decide to live under a dream world.






User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Jim,

With all due respect, I think when you grow older, you'll realise what people say (especially what companies says) is always to their advantage, not necessarily the truth. For example you know how when the government introduced the "no plastic bags policy" from this year, many shops are like "oh but the paper bags are easy to break, thus causing inconvenience", but in reality it is because the paper bags are more expensive to get compared to the plastic ones... you see, people don't always stick to the truth...

Anyways, I used to love EVA Air a lot, but it has somehow changed through the years (and AFAIK many people agree). I hope they can be more unique and be more... Taiwanese...

Jimmy


User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1283 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Only politics between the two (China & Taiwan) can result in CI making a 'technical' stop in Hong Kong, i.e. refueling when there is no need to or if it's just landing, taxing for a few minutes before taking off again. As others have said, why not stop in Macau instead of Hong Kong as it's much more expensive in HKG?

If they're this close to signing an air services agreement or something of that sort, It should just be a direct flight (I know, I know, politics, but still!).

But this is one step closer to having *direct* flights between China & Taiwan.

Hkg82.


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Again, I say STOP politicalizing this topic. It seems like Taiwanese always wanted to have every campaign/policy being politicalized, it's a real shame.

The Chinese government has always been against EVA Air group from getting any favorable treatment. This why Uni Air did not get the TPE-HKG route while Mandarin did. The whole talk almost broke down because Chinese government refused to allow EVA group taking all of the new alloted flights between HKG and TPE.

Yes, China Government is very upset with Evergreen Group's pro-Taiwan independence.

HOWEVER, China has been very "nice" about this stuff. If China hates Evergreen Group enough, they could simply disapproving EVA/UNI's application.

UNI Air didn't receive HKG flight approval by China is because EVA Air flies both Macau and Hong Kong. EVA controls a bigger market share, almost surpassing CX and CI because EVA can have flexible combination for travellers to/from China. This is the adventage that CI and CX don't have.

Despite YF Chung is pro-independence, but it has begun leaning away slightly, because he has to do investments in China. He's throwing millions and millions of dollars in China, what's the excuse that Chinese Authority gonna use to refuse EVA/UNI's application?


And Air Taiwan, I doubted that I have to grow older to realise, because you don't know the real me.



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