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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Denver here we come!

http://www.airtran.com/aboutus/news/denverco.jsp

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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Good to see that Airtran is expanding and expanding....they really need more 717's. No question which airline I will use when I am next in the US, can't wait....

User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

THANK GOD. I am so sick of the eastern and central time zones....

Travis


User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

Awesome news

Id love to see MCI-DEN service! Lord knows MCI has the gates to support the service.



User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

AirTran to launch service
Low-fare carrier plans Denver-Atlanta daily nonstop flights

By Heather Draper, Rocky Mountain News
January 8, 2003

Denver travelers will have another low-fare choice beginning in May.

AirTran Airways, the second-largest low-fare airline behind Southwest, will launch twice daily nonstop service from Denver to its Atlanta hub May 21.

The Denver-Atlanta fares start at $114 one way.

All Denver flights will operate on new Boeing 717, 100-seat aircraft, featuring fresh air circulated throughout the cabin, the company said.

"Our new service to Denver significantly expands AirTran Airways' network to the West, offering our passengers a new option in affordable travel," said Kevin Healy, AirTran vice president.

Unlike most budget carriers, AirTran offers a business class, which is only slightly more expensive than coach, said spokesman Tad Hutcheson.

Denver-based budget carrier Frontier Airlines also flies to Atlanta but Vice President Elise Eberwein said the airline welcomes the competition.

"We've been expecting it," she said. "More choice is good for the customer, even though it is a little bit different product."

Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran, the subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, which was formerly known as ValuJet, operates 404 flights a day to 40 destinations.

ValuJet nearly went bankrupt after the Federal Aviation Administration shut it down for 15 weeks in 1996 while it investigated a ValuJet DC-9 crash in the Florida Everglades.

AirTran had profits of $6.28 million in the first half of 2002, following three straight unprofitable quarters.

-from the Rocky Mountain News

My question is...what concourse are they going to fit in? Isn't there one open gate in the C concourse where Vanguard used to be or was eaten up by another airline? Good news for DEN and AirTran (still would like to have seen COS though).

Ry


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Now that they'll be connecting ATL with DEN, do you think they'll eventually hub DEN? Do you think Aitran & Frontier can compete together comfortably?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4588 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Could it be? Could it really really be? A NEW city without the need of a travel bank? LOL

User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

The ATL-DEN market is a connecting market. ATL and DEN each have two hubs, one a major carrier and one a so-called low-fare carrier. The service for all airlines on the route depends on connecting traffic either at ATL and DEN. Airtran's market will be serving DEN with connecting traffic from its destinations around the Southeast. Frontier's market is serving ATL from destinations in the west, connecting through their DEN hub. They have different reasons for serving the route, so I assume that both will do well.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Hmmm...I doubt that AirTran would begin a Denver hub, at least for awhile. Frontier's CASM is low enough that the two would be low-fare competitors, and Frontier's the hometown airline. Even if FL considered a focus city, most of the likely focus spokes are covered by Frontier--DFW, MCI, Houston, Chicago. Flights to Atlanta, which offer connections to all those FL spoke cities that don't have Frontier, are probably the best bet.

AirTran would do well to move west, though, and become less dependent upon the Northeast-Florida corridor. DL is out for blood with their "Song" predatory low-cost unit, and FL would do well to build up elsewhere. A hub in the Midwest would probably be the best profit bet, as that region has the least low-fare service of any part of the country.

I'm not sure where; MDW has two low-fare hubs already; STL has a huge WN presence, and MSP wouldn't get out of bed with Northwest long enough to open a gate or two beyond what FL has now just to run their ATL flights. DTW maybe, but that's kind of far east, and maybe too close to BWI.

Jim



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Could it be? Could it really really be? A NEW city without the need of a travel bank? LOL

That's funny, neither ROC, MKE, nor PBI needed a travel bank. I don't know how MKE and PBI are doing, but AirTran's Rochester station is going gangbusters.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4588 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Hmmm...ROC had a travel bank setup. MKE or PBI didn't really require one due to their size and market. AirTran is going to be in MKE regardless now with at least RJs just for mx positioning (like RenoAir did with OKC and its 2 daily flights to LAS).

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

On a side note, AirTran just began DAILY (From 1x weekly) FNT-MCO service.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Hmmm...ROC had a travel bank setup. MKE or PBI didn't really require one due to their size and market. AirTran is going to be in MKE regardless now with at least RJs just for mx positioning (like RenoAir did with OKC and its 2 daily flights to LAS).

Actually, we didn't. According to Aviation Week, ROC is not one of the five markets in the US that have used them (EUG-HP, EUG-Horizon, ICT-FL, PNS-FL, STO-HP). Companies in Rochester agreed to spend a certain amount on travel with FL, but we did not set up a formal bank account with a withdrawal-card system. FL loads at ROC have obviously exceeded any informal agreements, since we began with 4 dailies, are up to 6, and will go to 7 in March.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineFsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

FL's ATL- TLH and TPA- TLH service has a travel bank doesn't it? Is it the same as having the State of Florida subsidizing the routes.


ASOS... Another Shi#y Observation Station
User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2335 times:

Noticed today they had a RJ in TPA this morning. Anybody know if this is a daily thing now or just a sub for something. Also where is the route for this one?


I believe I can fly.....
User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2416 times:

SWA TPA: The route is the TLH-TPA-MIA runs. It is slowly getting replaced with RJs.

User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2335 times:

Of the five TPA-TLH daily nonstops, 4 are JetConnect, 1 is mainline. Of the five TPA-MIA daily nonstops, 3 are JetConnect, 2 are mainline.

(Of the two mainline MIA-TPA flts, one continues to PHL, one continues to MKE).

Travis


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2285 times:

As I said in the other post, I don't think AirTran will establish a hub in Denver. They might add a couple more routes in the future (1 or 2 more routes), but that's all I can see.

Good luck AirTran and welcome to the Mile High City.



Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Personally, I can't wait....especially since I grew up just south of DRO.....

Travis


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

YES!!!!!!!!!! Denver will be seeing me soon.

AirTran to launch service
Low-fare carrier plans Denver-Atlanta daily nonstop flights

By Heather Draper, Rocky Mountain News
January 8, 2003

Denver travelers will have another low-fare choice beginning in May.

AirTran Airways, the second-largest low-fare airline behind Southwest, will launch twice daily nonstop service from Denver to its Atlanta hub May 21.

The Denver-Atlanta fares start at $114 one way.

All Denver flights will operate on new Boeing 717, 100-seat aircraft, featuring fresh air circulated throughout the cabin, the company said.

"Our new service to Denver significantly expands AirTran Airways' network to the West, offering our passengers a new option in affordable travel," said Kevin Healy, AirTran vice president.

Unlike most budget carriers, AirTran offers a business class, which is only slightly more expensive than coach, said spokesman Tad Hutcheson.

Denver-based budget carrier Frontier Airlines also flies to Atlanta but Vice President Elise Eberwein said the airline welcomes the competition.

"We've been expecting it," she said. "More choice is good for the customer, even though it is a little bit different product."

Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran, the subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, which was formerly known as ValuJet, operates 404 flights a day to 40 destinations.

ValuJet nearly went bankrupt after the Federal Aviation Administration shut it down for 15 weeks in 1996 while it investigated a ValuJet DC-9 crash in the Florida Everglades.


AirTran had profits of $6.28 million in the first half of 2002, following three straight unprofitable quarters.

-from the Rocky Mountain News


Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran, the subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, which was formerly known as ValuJet, operates 404 flights a day to 40 destinations.

ValuJet nearly went bankrupt after the Federal Aviation Administration shut it down for 15 weeks in 1996 while it investigated a ValuJet DC-9 crash in the Florida Everglades.


Was this really necessary though?



User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Was this really necessary though?

What's wrong with providing a little bit of history about the airline? I know you love Air Tran BR715-A1-30, but you can't deny the fact that they were once known as ValuJet. Yes, ValuJet didn't have a very good image. But the fact is it's history, and the fact is Air Tran was once known as ValuJet, and it is only normal for the media to give a little bit of history about a new airline serving a city. Whether it's a good background or not.

You can't deny history.

I have nothing against Air Tran. I have never personally flown them, but I am sure they are a great airline and are nothing like the ValuJet days.

I welcome them to Denver and wish them the best luck.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Jim,

I'm not up on the details in Rochester but when I read ROC's grant app for Air21 funding I had noticed something that I had to go back and find.

On page 30, AirTran says they went into ROC "under a unique public-private partnership program with the County of Monroe and State of New York which minimizes the risk of expansion for the airline by establishing a Guarantee to cover any operating revenue shortfall for a period not to exceed two years capped at $2.0 million per year." Sounds like a revenue guarantee or subsidy but if not a travel bank then the government will pay? Is that right?
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf80/162860_web.pdf

Of course the Atlanta Journal-Constitution is confusing about what ROC used in this article about travel banks and subsidies used by AirTran. The terminology may not be accurate but it simplifies it for the media and general public.
http://www.meadhunt.com/News/travel_bank_atlantajournal.pdf




"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineN80NA From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

what about taking off in denver in the summer high heat ?

will the 717 be able to handle that nonstop ?


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

BA - I find it hard to believe though that every time USAirways starts service to a new city, the local media brings up their FIVE major crashes between 1989 and 1994? I mean, it's just a little bit of their history, right? Of course not....it's just the media drumming up a little drama...they simply can't resist.

Travis


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

N80NA,

There might be some weight restrictions during the extra hot days during the summer. Denver generally has pleasant weather in the summer. Only a couple scorching days of heat.

The 16,000ft. runway will be done in September. That should help out Air Tran's flights.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
25 BA : Travatl, BA - I find it hard to believe though that every time USAirways starts service to a new city, the local media brings up their FIVE major cras
26 OzarkD9S : Is AirTran really the second largest low-fare airline? How was that determined?
27 Flyinryan99 : "Is AirTran really the second largest low-fare airline? How was that determined?" I've always wondered this too because FL isn't a major carrier yet A
28 Post contains images BA : BA keep us updated as to who will do the ground and the behind the scenes stuff out there! I'll try. I think AirTran will eventually serve COS. But it
29 DIA : Welcome to Denver, Airtran. I'm sure we'll have a long and prosperous future working together. DIA P.S. 717s. . .YEAH BABY!
30 Fsuwxman : Sorry for this question, but can someone explain the difference between a travel bank and a subsidy? I had previously thought that they were one in th
31 DCA-ROCguy : On page 30, AirTran says they went into ROC "under a unique public-private partnership program with the County of Monroe and State of New York which m
32 Fly_ATA : I would have to say that ATA is the second largest low fare carrier. FL isn't even a major so how could they be second ?
33 DCA-ROCguy : Nothing has changed, same with this article about Air Tran. They gave a brief history. Isn't the fact that it once was ValuJet and had many crashes hi
34 Rumorboy : Guys, every city they have announced in the last 2 years always mentions Valujet. I don't like it either but thats the way it goes. Especially as Airt
35 NonRevKing : "you can't deny the fact that they were once known as ValuJet. Yes, ValuJet didn't have a very good image. But the fact is it's history, and the fact
36 Travatl : Thank you Brian. AirTran is about as much ValuJet as Continental is the old PeoplExpress. Travis
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